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- Murrabbit, on 12/25/2008, -26/+102This just in: Apple customers are very satisfied with themselves.
- ElAmo, on 12/25/2008, -6/+47The main problem with the Storm is the click typing. . Most of us speedy typists begin pressing down the next key before we have raised our finger fully off the last key. With the Storm you have to wait for it to finishing unclicking before you can click the next letter, and it slows thing down alot. I would think 30WPM would be the max typing speed achievable due to this issue, whereas I would assume the iPhone's speed limitation would be higher than anyone could ever achieve.
- inactive, on 12/25/2008, -3/+42The fact that the iphone is only available on one carrier says a lot for its popularity.
- oboshoe, on 12/25/2008, -2/+34Iphone would probably be 3x's more popular if it were not shacked to AT&T
- mmijatov, on 12/24/2008, -4/+33The article raises a good point about RIM devices being available on a variety of carriers. Would RIM continue it's dominance if it forced users, like Apple, to adopt it's exclusive carrier?
- roxgod666, on 12/25/2008, -2/+30What's an ad?
- ElAmo, on 12/25/2008, -2/+29better example: apples to blackberries
- alex7575, on 12/25/2008, -8/+32I'm 90% satisfied with my unlocked iPhone and 0.0012% satisfied with Apple's ***** practices around it.
- GarryBarker, on 12/25/2008, -11/+33Not surprised at all. Apple has always been more than just about creating a product like RIM, Microsoft, Sony and countless others. Apple has focused a lot of time and effort into creating a community that nurtures new users and to give a fantastic user experience to old pros. It is no wonder that Apple has always been at the forefront of consumer satisfaction, there are countless stories of how his Steveness has personally answered the emails of Apple consumers, do you ever see Bill Gates do that?
- inactive, on 12/24/2008, -2/+22What's great is at the moment there's an ad for the storm off to the right.
- DelMonte, on 12/25/2008, -2/+18The reason "tactile feedback" is good for a physical keyboard is not that it "clicks" when you press the keys, but that it helps your brain map the position of all keys, because you can feel the position and shape of the raised keys.
The Storm keyboard is still completely flat and featureless, and the fact that the whole screen clicks seems to be only a burden more than anything else.
That being said, the advantages of a real physical keyboard at this size are not that great. I would never trade my full size physical keyboard for a touch-screen one, but I don't mind a small touchscreen keyboard compared to a mini smartphone physical keyboard. - Rikkochet, on 12/25/2008, -3/+18We have to be to justify how much we paid for our toys.
- Sashwan, on 12/25/2008, -3/+18If the UI was just as good as the iPhone then RIM would definitely have a winner on their hands.
Unfortunately the storm is not quite there yet. - oboshoe, on 12/25/2008, -2/+16FTA
""Competitive pressures may have caused the Storm to be launched before it was quite ready for prime time,""
If only I had a dollar for everytime a vendor made this mistake.
You would think they would learn. - inactive, on 12/25/2008, -5/+18iphone, modern, mobile OS. BB, old, aging OS. Until RIM revamps its OS it will never be as good as the iphone.
- CoD4, on 12/25/2008, -1/+14what do you mean?
- Galaxylander, on 12/25/2008, -3/+15I pay $80 a month for my iPhone and I live in Canada. The US' prices are cheaper, and if you pay $80 a month for rent, you must live in a *****.
- kreatre2007, on 12/25/2008, -5/+16I helped one of my customers setup a Storm and I liked it. My only problem with the Storm was that while it added a beautiful touchscreen and great graphics, it was still trying to be a classical Blackberry. It feels more like a "me too" product than something innovative. It's as if RIM simply wanted to produce a touchscreen version of the Blackberry without introducing anything really new. I have said this many many times so, I'll say it again... It's the software, stupid! The iPhone excels because of its software -- NOT the touchscreen. The touchscreen is only a complimentary feature that helps the software work so well -- sort of like how a keyboard or mouse helps make a computer's operating system work. I'm hoping that RIM will take another shot at this and produce something more intuitive and also take the opportunity to make setup and use a lot easier. Hopefully, they will develop a killer new feature that will give the iPhone more competition.
- Chairboy, on 12/25/2008, -1/+11I email pictures from my phone all the time. And no BS MMS fees.
- jotate, on 12/25/2008, -3/+12My sister just got a Storm for Christmas. I asked her to let me play with it for a bit. Having played with the iPhone at the Apple Store, the Storm is noticeably laggy just with simple stuff like browsing the menus. Probably not going to get one. Just nothing special to make up for that slight irritation.
- oboshoe, on 12/25/2008, -1/+10Yet Apple took the sim card advantages of GSM and threw them out the window by locking a device to a specific SIM card.
IPhone is the *ONLY* GSM device produce that requires activation. GSM phones prior to Iphone just required that an activated SIM card be installed into the GSM phone. Apple requires both the Sim Card AND the Iphone to be activated. Why? Money. This requirement ensures that you cannot use the Iphone without signing a multiyear contract. Without this requirement, I could have just moved my SIM card from my existing non contract GSM phone into my Iphone like I did with the last 5 GSM phones.
One half this problem is greed, and the other half is money. - r3zonance, on 12/26/2008, -0/+8"If the UI was just as good as the iPhone then RIM would definitely have a winner on their hands."
Ummm, and if it had Wi-Fi. In this day and age that is just totally unacceptable.
A better OS, and better input mechanism would do wonders too.
Most phones would be as good as the iPhone if their UI (and the way the OS works) were better, that's kind of the main thing with the iPhone. - SailorMeff, on 12/24/2008, -5/+13In short, RIM can compete now much because it has already saturated the market.
In the US, though, there are only 3 more years for handset manufacturers to come up with legitimate competition to the iPhone. After that we'll see the handset on EVDO networks and all manufacturers will be forced to truly compete. - XTCinOvaltine, on 12/25/2008, -4/+12Clicking the screen ruined the Storm for me.
- mrBitch, on 12/26/2008, -1/+8RE: " My wife has an iPhone and I can't type accurately on that toy."
That "toy" that you refer to is a computer that's running OSX on a phone.
That "toy" is also why the Storm even EXISTS. - DjOverEZ, on 12/25/2008, -1/+8where am I?
- 1longtime, on 12/25/2008, -3/+9I initially resisted the iPhone strongly because of the virtual keyboard, but I've been extremely surprised how agile it can be.
Surprisingly, I can type faster than almost anyone on a "real" keyboard because the auto-complete/corrrect features are top notch. Mobile devices are always going to suck for typing, but iPhone is impressive. "Double thumbing" is no problem at all. - MScrip, on 12/25/2008, -1/+7Make sure you close Blackberry apps after you use them. Simply pressing END doesn't close them. Your calculator, to-do list, maps, browser and other apps all might be running and you don't even know it!
iPhone: No multi-tasking
Blackberry: Multi-tasking, with a dozen apps unknowingly running in the background. - inactive, on 12/25/2008, -3/+9 The biggest problem I could see with my few minutes of playing with a Storm is the the click screen is a fraud. On the commercial it looks like the area under your finger depresses to make a satisfying click but in reality the whole screen just moves down a bit and it's not satisfying at all. Rather pointless actually.
- mrBitch, on 12/26/2008, -0/+6RE: " to prevent a lawsuit from Apple regarding Quicktime "magically appearing in Windows Media Player".
By that, you mean the fact that Windows Media Player had actual QuickTime code "magically" appear within it.
In effect, Microsoft had stolen QuickTime code and were utilising it within Windows Media Player.
It's all here :
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/5F ...
" Apple brought QuickTime to Windows by simply porting large chunks of the Macintosh's native drawing system. QuickTime performance on Windows was vastly better than Microsoft's Video for Windows because Apple bypassed the GDI Windows graphics subsystem.
When Microsoft requested a free license for QuickTime for Windows in 1993, Apple refused.
Meanwhile, Intel wanted to accelerate Microsoft's Video for Windows in hardware. It approached Apple's partner Canyon to develop a video driver that would provide similar performance to QuickTime.
While knowing that Canyon possessed Apple's code, Intel did not specify that Canyon needed to do clean room development, and gave the company an unrealistically short timeframe to develop the code.
As expected, Canyon simply delivered Apple's code to Intel, which then licensed it to Microsoft." - CoD4, on 12/25/2008, -5/+11agree with most of what you said but jobs doesn't write any of those emails dude
- Chairboy, on 12/25/2008, -0/+5You _don't_ have email on your phone and you think _I'm_ the one missing out?
- r3zonance, on 12/26/2008, -0/+5"I'm an iPhone user myself, and after the first few weeks of excitement, I ended up using it just for calls and messages, but it might be just me"
It's just you. Sounds like you are one of the "bought an iPhone cos I want to be cool" crowd, rather than you needed/wanted the functionality it provided. - deroderugridder, on 12/25/2008, -4/+9Maybe because it's not just a cellphone but also a video player, internet browser, gaming device, etc ..
and it all fits in your pocket.
Back to you John for more news. - oboshoe, on 12/25/2008, -1/+6Why not?
Visual voicemail works using specially tagged SMS messages. That's about as basic as it gets. It's a pretty simple hook into their vm system. AT&T doesn't have any special magic.
Verizon could add the hooks the visual voicemail in far shorter time than apple could fill the distribution channels with cdma radio phones. - Rikkochet, on 12/25/2008, -1/+6Half of that is politics and half is technical. Apple could make the iPhone available to any GSM network provider (once the legal was handled) which would be huge.
The CDMA network operators need to upgrade their infrastructure - a non-SIM-card-based cellular network is just ridiculous at this stage in the game. Canadian CDMA providers are developing their next gen network that is GSM-compatible and I'd be surprised if Japanese and American telcos weren't doing the same.
The technology needs to unify - there's no reason for competing standards anymore. This has dragged on longer than the HD DVD wars. - ABombbmoBA, on 12/25/2008, -0/+4iPhone will never be on CDMA. Period. #1... Apple wants to sell phones worldwide... CDMA has a very small userbase worldwide. GSM>HSDPA>LTE will be the path for Apple... especially since most of the CDMA carriers (sans Sprint) are choosing LTE for 4G.
- jswaby, on 12/25/2008, -5/+9Rim should consider Android for future devices. They could start porting their current apps to the Android platform, and then when the time is right, move their future devices to the Android platform. They employ a ton of very smart engineers. It would be wonderful if those engineers can then contribute back to the Android Open Source community.
- RyomaNagare, on 12/25/2008, -2/+6the thing is while there are 3 or 4 blackberry models at any giving time, 2 or 3 iphone killers for every major brand there are only 2 iphones. and the 2g ones will fade out in time
that means more updates more apps, more accessories. thus better user experience. Hopefully apple will continue to produce incremental updates not falling into the problem rim has, giving support for all this different devices. - cthellis, on 12/26/2008, -0/+4No. Oft gets trotted out, but while Apple was struggling for footing back then, the investment MS made was a drop in the bucket compared to the revenue they were still pulling in (and the cash they still had available). It made no difference.
What pulled them out of their downward spiral was really the culling of chaff and the release of the iMac. - mrBitch, on 12/26/2008, -0/+4For typing, it really IS completely worthless, and also considering that this was THE selling point over the iPhone... it makes it even worse.
- r3zonance, on 12/26/2008, -0/+4I had an N95 and it had a very crap 5MP camera, you have to drop the images to about 1.2-2MP for them to actually look good (okay, it has a flash).
GPS is bloody crap, in city centre of Birmingham, UK couldn't get a GPS lock after 15 minutes (the iPhone takes about 10 seconds).
Games were the usual piss poor mobile efforts (usually Java-based) with an abysmal control scheme that you needed to use two thumbs for (and couldn't fit two thumbs on to use properly).
MP3 was just crap on it (nice speakers though).
And ran out of memory and required to reboot to play a video 100% of the time (and still didn't work half the time after the reboot, still ran out of memory).
The N95 was an over-priced piece of *****, through and through. The N96 and N97 don't look any better, just slightly shiny UI elements. You can't polish a turd, as they say. - kraetos, on 12/26/2008, -0/+4Bingo.
Anyone who thinks that Apple is going to retool the iPhone for CDMA for the smaller portion of the market in a single country is clearly high.
When/if Verizon goes LTE, we'll see a Verizon iPhone. Not before then. - Macintoshreader, on 12/25/2008, -1/+5The only one who gained money in the end on that deal was Microsoft. They invested $150 million on Apple, but the deal would settle a lawsuit that Apple had on Microsoft and IE would be the default browser for the Mac OS. Also, a trial of Microsoft Office would come pre-bundled with all Macs.
- cthellis, on 12/26/2008, -0/+4You already get "tactile feedback" without the clicky screen--you just don't get _as much_ tactile feedback, nor a specific response to associate with the keypresses.
However, the iPhone provides an extra visual response to associate with it that the Storm does not, which helps lock in muscle memory and/or correct things while you're looking at where you're typing, instead of when you check the screen afterward (or at least prompt you to make sure the auto-correct fixes it while you go). Losing out on the tactile end can still be reinforced by bringing more "stimulus" into play for you to respond to. Audio and visual both play in as well.
...and what with the key buffering and the better-in-general auto-correction (I haven't been able to play with the Storm a LOT yet, but enough to get a general feel), I think one is able to zip along quicker and more easily on the iPhone. I started two-thumbing at about 20-25 once I picked one up, and I'm pretty sure a Storm user is going to have troubles getting up to 50 WPM simply because of the click-wait.
Granted you really don't NEED the speed because one tends to not write novels on a mobile phone, but that's one of those things that gets paraded out all the time. But it and other factors (accuracy and auto-correction) come into play for your overall typing speed and convenience, and I don't see the Storm's shtick helping it out boatloads. - bamfsalad, on 12/26/2008, -3/+6dugg because I have an iPhone and it is great.
- mrBitch, on 12/26/2008, -0/+3@sandman RE: "mrBitch here seems to be another of those blind faith evangelist. "
Yeah, have you ever asked yourself why so many are so happy with their Apple products?
I never owned anything made by Apple until I bought a MacBook Pro just over a year ago.
Until that time, I was an Apple hater and constantly explained to people how they were over paying for 2 year old tech and that it was cheaper if you built a box yourself.
A friend of mine who has also built his career around Microsoft products would laugh at me every time I opened up my MacBook.
He would joke about how my laptop is just a "toy" and tell his kids that while I was busy on my overpriced "toy" that he was doing "real work" on his Windows laptop.
I didn't mind his jokes, since I used to have the exact same mind set before I actually started using OSX.
He now takes his new MacBook Pro to work with him and plugs it into his widescreen monitors at work.
His MacBook Pro now controls and administrates his SCO Unix, Windows, and RH Linux servers at his work.
He now laughs at suggestions that he should be upgrading his work stations to Vista.
Seriously, the only reason I have not yet deleted my 25gb Windows partition is that I like playing some games every now and then (TF2, ET).
Windows is now my games OS.
Everything else, I do in OSX. - mediaroots, on 12/26/2008, -0/+3in the UK the storm IS exclusive to the Vodafone network. Whilst the iPhone is exclusive to O2.
- 1longtime, on 12/25/2008, -0/+3Isn't Gates taking orders from Overlord Seinfeld now?
- spookyttws, on 12/26/2008, -0/+3Well, back in the 90's I personally received several emails from Bill Gates, hell all I needed to do was forward them to ten people and I"d be sent a $100 gift certificate to the Banana Republic. Funny, I never did get that gift card.....
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