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- MarkusX, on 03/09/2009, -21/+168Apple, please let us have the choice of ALL iPhone apps. Don't play the mean parent, who doesn't allow me to do certain stuff.
You guys can still have your cool App Store and filter the apps for those users who aren't sure of what they are doing and who wnat to rely on Apple's approval. - FxChiP, on 03/10/2009, -5/+110Spam? Thieves? Stealing?
Okay, let's start at the beginning: jailbreaking costs no one any money. Reportedly, the programs that allow you to pirate also don't cost money -- I wouldn't know, I don't use them.
"Charge others at the expense of paying customers?" You're out of your mind. Cydia Store is about a competing marketplace, not pirating, not "charging others at the expense of paying customers" (how does this even work anyway?!). It is competition. It is, in fact, what's supposed to make capitalism great.
Your assumption that jailbreaking is pirating is ignorant, uninformed, and downright foolhardy and stupid. There are things you can do with jailbroken iPhones that stock iPhones can't even touch. Things Apple simply will not allow, such as capture video, change your iPhone's appearance, or even, of course, unlock the phone -- which is a move that ultimately benefits the consumer.
The Cydia Store is ultimately a Good Thing that will (or, at least, could) benefit the consumer by allowing them the choice to purchase and use applications that they wouldn't necessarily otherwise see or benefit from.
So by your post, do you truly enjoy the chains that Apple keeps you locked up in? Yes, if one does not want to be in the chains, they can always not buy Apple... or they can do something about it. They can get the great product and make it better, more useful and fun for not just themselves, but for others. And you seem to wish to stifle this in the name of stopping piracy?
You're out of your mind. And probably a troll. So I'll stop now. - KineticShampoo, on 03/10/2009, -15/+115***** Apple. If you guys want these cockheads to stop treating you like ***** don't give them your money. It's easy.
- Mystikal, on 03/10/2009, -3/+77Just disable the kill switch and install whatever you'd like.
- hamobu, on 03/10/2009, -8/+77This is ridiculous! Why do we allow corporations to tell us what to do with our devices?
- Cybrwolf, on 03/09/2009, -15/+78Dude, you are totally sounding like the very child in your description.
It is your hardware, you bought it, do what the hell you want with it. Apple is a corporation.
Apple isn't your pal, they are your buddies, they are a CORPORATION!! Whose goal it is to make the most profit, that the market will allow. By any means possible legally, or illegally, if possible.
Hack your phone, or don't. Damned, if I care, but just grow up! - Bicep, on 03/10/2009, -12/+75May the best apps win and crush the istore. This is why the open source phone will trump all, because it doesn't follow this type of "only we provide the apps and you are not worthy" B.S.. Down, DOWN with companies that restrict technology for greed and selfishness and use legal trolls to retard technological progress. Enable humans with technology - Stop treating treating technological progress like it's a hog for slaughtering.
- Murdats, on 03/10/2009, -3/+62if you wanted personal choice you should not have bought an apple product.
- Aliensea, on 03/10/2009, -1/+59Apple just needs to make the locked iPhone more compelling than Cydia.
- Christius, on 03/10/2009, -9/+52Hey, how people would react if Microsoft began to ban applications from Windows and sue those who distribute them? Why is it ok for Apple to do it?
- ElectricKetchup, on 03/10/2009, -11/+54This is why I don't use Apple products. Owning hardware should give you the freedom to do what you want with your hardware.
- kiddcode, on 03/10/2009, -7/+47Because you chose to buy it under their terms and conditions. Want a truly open device? Then don't buy one that's not.
- soogy, on 03/10/2009, -1/+31Legally, Apple is going to have a hell of a hard time getting rid of app store competitors. They're trying to impose and maintain a monopoly.
But in reality, they have so much money that they can basically bully small-time competition by exhausting them through legal costs. - TruPhan, on 03/10/2009, -8/+37Apple is going to make it illegal for me to install what I want on MY iPhone?
***** you, Apple! - WafflesID, on 03/10/2009, -0/+28By all means keep going.
I was thoroughly enjoying that. - inactive, on 03/10/2009, -1/+28wat
- hamobu, on 03/10/2009, -6/+30You can't give up your rights as a consumer by buying something.
- dizzylalapo11, on 03/10/2009, -8/+31As a janitor in a school, i walk by classrooms and see a half-finished math problem on the board and just solve it... If i find an iPhone in the teachers desk i'll keep it.
- ShrimpCrackers, on 03/10/2009, -2/+24Well the problem with the competition is that Apple is also a known patent troll. They've got patents up the wazoo so there's no competition involved. It's not just the critical technologies either, its close derivative vapor-ware that has been patented. The end result is that the competition has to make something completely different or wait till some new technology comes out (like the Zune touch pad uses a completely different technology from the iPods). Not that most competition will get new tech of course because if you're a parts supplier (like Synaptic) you'd simply sell to Apple first.
It's as if Ford managed to patent 4 wheeled vehicles and then watched as everyone else couldn't compete. - ASfinkterSezWut, on 03/10/2009, -4/+25...and so it begins... even the most ardent apple fanboys will now have to admit that Apple is a bullying monopoly.
so.sad. - AmazingSteve, on 03/10/2009, -2/+21It's MY device. I bought and paid for it, I'll do what I want with it, end of discussion. If Apple wants to pay me a monthly fee, then I'll do what they want. In the mean time, Jailbreak away.
- ElectricKetchup, on 03/10/2009, -2/+21Hasn't Apple being doing this longer than Microsoft?
*edit*
Actually, when did Microsoft ever sue their customers for modding their OS or applications ?!? - hamobu, on 03/10/2009, -4/+22It is amazing how brainwashed apple fans are? They twist reality in order to justify the abuse that Apple inflicts on them.
- belorion, on 03/10/2009, -0/+17If Cydia et al. were smart, they would undercut the Apple business model. Instead of offering the same 70/30 split, they should simply do 75/25. Just that 5% can mean a lot to developers, and gives people incentive to release on Cydia as well as the app store.
- elfprince13, on 03/10/2009, -0/+17what does the Defense Contract Management Agency have to do with anything? Or did you mean the DMCA?
- stickyman, on 03/10/2009, -3/+20@delmonte
Companies may well be able to choose what THEY sell, but they cant decide what OTHER companies sell. Apple is more anti-competitive than MS ever was, and I will be happy to see them taken down a peg or twenty - yellowsnowcone, on 03/10/2009, -4/+20Imagine if you bought a computer and the only software you could buy was from Microsoft, Microsoft approved each software application and on top of that they took 30%. No one would stand for that.
But this is what's happening with Apple. The iPhone is nothing but a computer, yet Apple dictates what software you're allowed to run on that computer, and it says that it is the only company allowed to sell software for that computer. Why should it be allowed to get away with this? - Canuck, on 03/10/2009, -1/+16"Cydia as well as any sources that provide software to run on their device that they feel is hurting their own market share."
But it isn't hurting their market share, they are. A lot of the apps on Cydia tried to go through the App store and were rejected. That means that Apple threw that money away. Why can't cydia have it, clearly Apple has enough. - stickyman, on 03/10/2009, -0/+15example?
- Terrin, on 03/10/2009, -3/+18Its not just a matter of disabling the kill switch. Since Cydia now is a direct MONETARY competitor to Apple the only response for the corporation is to act in a legal manner. There is a very good chance that Apple may be able to take down Cydia as well as any sources that provide software to run on their device that they feel is hurting their own market share. So they will not kill your applications they will kill your sources for applications. Apple has not been trying very hard to stop the jailbreaking community because it is an outlet for enthusiasts and will broaden their market share, but now that people within the community are realizing how much money they can make it is actually cutting into Apple more than its helping. So now we will surely see a response. And its not just Apple's greed, its on both sides. And the biggest group of people hurt by all of this is the average user. The only solution I can see is that jailbroken apps remain free and available to the user and maybe some advertisements thrown in there to make money for the developer. If the "renegade" jailbreaking community starts making too much money then they will show up on Apple's radar as more of a threat. Keep the status quo!
- blackinthmiddle, on 03/10/2009, -2/+15@DelMonte
Your example is not very good. You say
"Should McDonalds be taken to court because they only sell Coca-Cola and you want Pepsi?"
but the argument is more like you buying a soda from McDonalds, then taking the cup home and putting Sprite in it and McDonalds suing you for that. Imagine I buy a Dell desktop with Vista on it, then decide I don't like it and reformat it and put, oh, I don't know, Cent OS on it. Dell then decides to sue me. Sounds silly, right?
The only difference is that you're running a modified version of the iPhone OS, as opposed to an entirely different OS. However, I paid for that OS when I bought the iPhone. Is Apple saying I can't modify what I've paid for?
Bottom line, like the article said, they're simply trying to protect their cash cow. - digitalpencil, on 03/10/2009, -3/+16BREAKING: Fanboy shows blatant disregard to consumer freedom after defending the holy Jobs in his quest to ***** all iPhone users.
- rossisdead, on 03/10/2009, -1/+13Dear failing troll(though apparently you're not failing from the responses)
You're confusing Cydia, which offers software not for sale in the App Store, with Installous, which lets you pirate software sold in App Store.
Please get your facts straight the next time so your trolling can be more successful. - ikeeel4money, on 03/10/2009, -0/+12At first I was thinking of abandoning the iphone because I can't access the apple appstore in my country (UAE), but I changed my mind because of both cydia and installer that offered a great alternative than apple's own store.
- deweyhewson, on 03/10/2009, -10/+22***** Apple. It's corrupt business practices like this that keep me from ever buying one of their machines.
Only Apple tries, under some guise of auteur, to restrict what their own customers can do with their own products. It's amazing how much Apple fans go for it.
Once you buy something, especially hardware, it is yours to do what you want with, regardless of any corporation's desire to bleed you dry. - inactive, on 03/10/2009, -6/+18It would be easier if there were better and more comparable products. There is a reason why just about everyone buys an iPhone. Not all of them are fan boys.
- j3rm1981, on 03/10/2009, -1/+12Totally agree.
Cydia is the greatest thing to happen to the iPhone since...the iPhone...happened...to the iPhone.
I check every single day for updates...I can't say the same for the App Store. Furthermore, contrary to what some may think, Apple won't be able to stop this. If you've got an iPod that houses a library of music entirely populated by songs downloaded solely from the iTunes store, I think you're in the minority. Apps should be no different.
I also agree with norman619...SmartPhones are going to be classified as computers soon. They should be...because they are. - digiguy, on 03/10/2009, -3/+14Yeah, a monopoly on their own products
- JeddHampton, on 03/10/2009, -0/+11You like apples?
- Mareshalu, on 03/10/2009, -1/+12Apple apps are good, Cydia, Installer, illegal? Competition anyone?
- Midtowner, on 03/10/2009, -1/+11They aren't saying they want to 'make' jailbreaking illegal. They're saying that it's already illegal because of the DMCA rules which contemplate DRM workarounds.
- SOS84, on 03/10/2009, -15/+25Apple = evil.
- ZeoFateX, on 03/10/2009, -8/+18I'm just going to go ahead and say the ONLY reason I bought my iPod Touch was because I could jailbreak it.
My girlfriend got an iPod Touch 2.0 for Christmas, and frankly the thing doesn't interest me because it cannot be jailbroken. (At least not standalone yet.) In fact she herself is quite annoyed that it's not "like [mine]". (I warned her of that before she got it.) She's eagerly awaiting the 2.0 jailbreak.
As far as I'm concerned what I do with MY device that I purchased is nobody else' business.
It's one thing because the iPhone is under contract and may cause network problems for everyone by jailbreaking, but come on, we know Apple isn't going to just apply the DMCA ruling to the iPhone. But again -- the iPhone's are the user's devices. They are NOT renting them. As long as they act within the guidelines of the network and do not abuse said network (which they aren't), I see no problem with jailbreaking. - Crendel, on 03/10/2009, -4/+14Remember folks, if it wasn't for "renegade" developers, Apple may not have moved the app store in as quickly as they did. As long as Apple is challenged by the renegades, it will push new content/development forward by Apple...
- acegi, on 03/10/2009, -3/+13what the ***** are you guys expecting.
apple is the pure essence of fascism- same machine, same design for everyone with no freedom of choice for different parts.
what part of it do you not understand? they'll never allow any kind of deviation from their vision of perfect world. - MightyUpsetter, on 03/10/2009, -0/+10Yes but cydia STORE is new.
- prmths, on 03/10/2009, -2/+12days like this i wish i'd waited for the first android phone.
- MrChunks, on 03/10/2009, -3/+13I bought my iphone from a private seller. I didn't purchase it from Apple, from any mobile phone provider or under any contract. It's MINE. I can and will do with it what I please.
You have absolutely no clue whatsoever about what you're talking about! Go stick your comment back up your arse from where it came. - inactive, on 03/10/2009, -2/+12I must have missed the part in that movie with the iPhone.../s
- norman619, on 03/10/2009, -3/+12I see many court cases in their future. They are trying to limit the choices of the owners of iPhones to only those offered by Apple. They are trying to force Apple to be their only source of applications. This is not tolerated of companies as large and dominant as MS and I doubt it will be tolerated here. Apple has been anti-competition and they will be in federal court soon over this as more and more consumers get fed up with their constant meddling in what users have access to and demand action. Apple knows as soon as they open up to competition they will lose much like how IBM lost when they opened up their architecture. Only in this case we are talking about access to software which will run on that microcomputer we all call the iPhone.
I also fully expect smartphones like the iPhone to be reclassified as computers as more and more people start demanding the freedom to run whatever application they like on them. This will open up a whole new can of worms for them. Calling them phones is like calling a computer a calculator. -
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