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- skinfitz, on 10/22/2007, -3/+118...would it have killed Apple to allow connection to a Bluetooth GPS in the first place?
- drgreenberg, on 10/13/2007, -3/+67GPS doesn't mean any form of position location. It means the use of the GPS satellite network to determine location. WiFi router or cell tower triangulation is simply that ... triangulation ... and doesn't even fall under assisted GPS, which is the combined use of a GPS chip in a handset to acquire satellite info and a network-based server to actually do the number crunching of this data to relay the final answer back to the handset. If we start using GPS for everything, the special properties of the system, namely high-accuracy positioning from anywhere within the covered latitude band and no land infrastructure support, starts to get lost and consumers won't have any clue what to expect when they see the initials on products.
- nofxosx, on 10/10/2007, -2/+46scary enough, that it found where I was using wifi devices around me... nice, pretty accurate...
and it opens Google maps with a pushpin where you are, and your coordinates... WOW - timusca, on 10/10/2007, -1/+29Every iPhone user's dream... to get nailed by their iPhone.
I joke, I joke... - joeycerone, on 10/10/2007, -2/+30This program is incredible. I've tried it on 3 different wireless networks and it has nailed me every time. Everytime I try over EDGE it says it cannot find any tower data though. I'm sure it's just a matter of time until that starts working better.
Integration with google maps too!
I'm very very impressed. - mingistech, on 10/15/2007, -3/+30You have to "guess" your location... you don't know where you are???
- monkeyrun, on 10/10/2007, -4/+26wow sweet, I hope Apple will have a official implementation soon.
- Kdurrty, on 10/10/2007, -22/+44" It's off by a few hundred yards"...
I wouldn't call that GPS. I could guess my location and be that accurate. - KibibyteBrain, on 10/10/2007, -5/+25Yes, buried as inaccurate. This is not GPS. I thought someone had hacked the GPS radio in the iPhone so you could use it. Now THAT would be awesome.
- totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -3/+22Isn't this what Microsoft and Sprint just announced last week?
Sounds like a neat trick, to hold us over until GPS is added, anyways :p - Angostura, on 10/10/2007, -1/+14I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, given that being off by a galaxy or two is basically pinpoint when you picture how large our Universe is.
- ocellnuri, on 10/10/2007, -1/+13Exactly. I've got high hopes that with the pace of development, someone will get a serial bluetooth stack cooked up soon enough. I just wish I had the knowledge to do it myself.
- skinfitz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+13...it would indeed be awesome as it doesn't have a GPS radio.
- sonycam, on 10/10/2007, -1/+12Good to know, wonder how long until something like this will work in Europe.
- misterjangles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11Being off by a football field or two is ok if you just need to know what city you're in - which if you don't already know, then you probably have bigger problems to worry about.
- Salviati, on 10/15/2007, -2/+11This is exactly the reason I have been holding out on the iPhone until now. I use my HTC 8525 for navigation with a Bluetooth GPS receiver, and this is the one feature the iPhone is missing for me. Assisted GPS is nice, but once it can interface with a BT receiver, I will be sold.
- rebuilder, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9It's not assisted GPS. Assisted GPS is satellite-based locating assisted by a supplementary location-finding method, such as an assistance server or cell ID. Without the GPS component it's something else.
- joeycerone, on 10/10/2007, -5/+14blackberrys are lame.
- mehan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9you can't call it GPS if it does not use GPS satellites.
- misterjangles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9dude, wtf are you doing here on digg if you don't like tech gadgets..? of course nobody *needs* any of this stuff. i use my GPS to get from my back door to my garage. why? because gadgets rule!
but, anyway, try doing to a huge city where you don't know your way around. the GPS is pretty damn handy. - sketchstudios, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8just tried signing up, got a server error, geuss everyone digg-killed it
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Or, it's basically ***** when you picture what even common technologies are capable of these days.
- Skeptic1970, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9Not good enough for Geocaching. I will buy one when I can cache with it.
- Ben174, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Unable to Locate --
Your location could not be identified. No known Cells or WiFi nodes in range. --
Then it locked up my phone and I had reboot :( Anyway I'm hopeful this software will continue to evolve and actually be a decent substitute for the much-needed GPS feature. - bigsteve, on 10/15/2007, -0/+7So far it's been difficult to get the serial port generated with a bluetooth connection to fully function. It almost appears as Apple crippled the serial port. As the BT radio in the iPhone is a common one, there may be an open source driver that can be compiled for the iPhone. I'm still digging around...
- ocellnuri, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Right, it should, but it doesn't. So let's use the tech that IS built in to get it real GPS. We can all get version 2 or 3 with built in GPS later, but right now there are quite a few people who could use BT GPS.
It's the only reason I'm keeping my 8125 on hand. - MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Try a different font
- timusca, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8So is this comment.
- bigwillystyle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+6i got an "unable to locate" message and my iphone froze. did this happen to anyone else?
- joeycerone, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6The Navizon website is really slow.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5@Fandango:
Wow. If that wasn't a fanboy-defensive argument, I don't know what was. - saralovemuffins, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6http://www.modmyiphone.com/nativeapps/the-list/
- Twindagger, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7But will I be able to "Slide to unlock"?
- jpski, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4You moved your Wireless Access Point from your old house to your new house, which someone logged at your old place while wardriving. If you want to update it it looks like you can do so here:
http://my.navizon.com/Webapps/UserAdmin/upload.aspx
I'm not quite sure how they reconcile collisions in data though. - tuxracer, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Bluetooth GPS? C'mon. A good number of Sprint and Verizon phones have built-in GPS receivers (TeleNav and VZNavigator). I was surprised and disappointed that the iPhone didn't have this feature. Although AT&T seems to be way behind the CDMA carriers when it comes to GPS built-in. Screw an external receiver. For the phone of all phones, the iPhone should have this feature. Personally, I will not be buying one until it does.
By the way, I am NOT referring to the E911 AGPS, etc... I'm referring to true GPS like the LG VX8600 supports. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Off by a few hundred yards?
Oh well, it's a start. - ShrimpCrackers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3AGPS doesn't use cellphone tower triangulation, it uses actual GPS but requires a cellphone connection because servers at Verizon do the actual map uploading and processing, and its not done on the device itself to save power/etc etc. Either way, AGPS is still a huge step up from Navizon which requires at least 3 cellphone towers in the vacinity to have a reasonable accuracy.
- allywilson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3lol made my comment of the day annual list. Thank you :-D
- mstar, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3yeah - right....
- meatmcguffin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Does anyone have, or can point me to, a list of apps that installer.app currently provides?
- ShrimpCrackers, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3right. When you set your location at first its always accurate since you already gave navizon your location. Try it on the highway, and find navizon thinking that you're in 3 counties over.
- Pundan, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Great success!
- tbharber, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Wow amazing. Works great. Found me exactly. Ill have to go out on a drive and test it further but this is a must have!!!
- allywilson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3RAC (for the 'Mericans this is like AAA/Triple A / whatever a breakdown service is called across the pond)have been using similar stuff for years. 4 years ago I broke down, was nowhere near a motorway marker, the lady on the phone (echo?) located my position by using the cell towers near me (although she said GPRS - and I've no idea why that would be better than standard GSM in this situation). This isn't anything new really, the only advantage I can see to it is that such systems in the UK (f'r instance) are subject to data privacy laws (i.e. I have your mobile number - I can see where you are).
- bigsteve, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Some GSM radio modules have 911-use-only GPS transceivers in them. I've done some light searching for documentation on the iPhone's radio and haven't been able to find any. I do some work with a module that you can receive NMEA data from via an AT command sent over serial. The iPhone's module may very well support 911-use GPS, but the ability for it to be passed to the system over serial might be disabled by the manufacturer (probably to sell a "GPS enabled" version with it uncrippled...)
So there very well may be a GPS in there somewhere, and it might even be addressable via commands sent to the GSM radio. Has anyone had to call 911 with an iPhone yet? Did they mysteriously know your exact location in a few seconds? - mingistech, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Worked for me..... pinpointed the exact locatoin of my condo. Kinda slow (had to process the data for about 20 secs)
Hopefully they can speed this up in new releases. - andy2na, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2yea, happened to me too. gunna try a more public wifi spot later
- bigwillystyle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2goo to the navizon websit on ur iphone, log in and set ur area. i just figuired this out
- bigwillystyle, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2the same thing happened to me. what u have to do is go to the navzin websit on ur iphone, llog in, and set ur area.
- Salviati, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I do lots of things with my GPS receiver that would be impossible by this method. 1 - Geo-tagging photos 2. Real GPS driving navibation 3. Plotting GPS paths to document my trips. Not to mention, most of my travels are outside of AT&T's calling area (ie. overseas), and other times I simply am not near any towers (let alone 3).
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