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- inactive, on 07/02/2008, -6/+78Don't buy it if you don't like it.
What is it with diggers wanting everything for free? - dignews, on 07/01/2008, -22/+83Not to pay, that is the answer.
- yazheirx, on 07/02/2008, -1/+31If the app will entertain me enough or has value enough I will buy it. If not I can live with out it. I understand why people would pirate everything on principle and hope they can understand that I will not pirate anything on principle.
- CharlesSaint, on 07/02/2008, -0/+28Props to that statement. Why does everyone's time and effort seem to have no value whatsoever to people around here? The greatest sign of respect you can have for a person is to value their time. If you expect someone to do something for you for free without any effort in return, that is tantamount to saying "I think your time is worthless." If you yourself don't have the ability to create what others can, why should you expect to receive the fruits of their mind at no cost to you? By what right? If they choose to give their creations away, that is their decision, but it should by no means be expected or frowned upon if someone wants to put value on the hard work and time they put into a product they create.
- 8dot3, on 07/02/2008, -1/+21Weak article. So why can't all iPhone apps be free? Because developers need some sort of return on their time investment. Duh.
- T8erT0T, on 07/02/2008, -1/+19To pay, or not to pay: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The nickles and dimes of outrageous app vendors,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To free. To pay;
No more! - wisedude, on 07/01/2008, -12/+29I'm sure there will be custom firmwares loaded with bootleg appstores, with all the full versions but cracked to run without paying. Now that would be paradise, and I think it has a decent chance of happening
- TheWeez, on 07/02/2008, -0/+17It will be interesting to see if companies will continue to make quality software when this younger generation that feels the need not to pay for software and music becomes the generation in charge.
- soulrock, on 07/02/2008, -1/+15Point blank...if the software proves to be valueable, I will pay. If everyone continues to expect to get quality for free, the developers will stop making good stuff. I mean, who here is willing to work for free? Cheap bastards.
- Reaktor5, on 07/02/2008, -9/+22I'm not spending over $10 for anything in the App Store.
- jull1234, on 07/02/2008, -3/+14That's the way they're used to having it. Why work for it when you can be part of a movement that says it should be free?
- cotaskmemalloc, on 07/02/2008, -0/+11I don't understand the mentality. A lot of people on here, both in the OSS community and the pirating community feel completely entitled to other people's hard work, regardless of whether or not the developers want to give it a way.
A great example is NVIDIA drivers - NVIDIA owes OSS nothing, they have no reason to open source their drivers, and all the OSS community does is bitch and whine. When NVIDIA says its about intellectual property (which it is), the OSS community completely discredits that as an argument for not open sourcing things. Tough ***** to them, I say. They have nothing to gain by open sourcing the code. Go cry about it if you can't get your video card to work on Linux with binary drivers NVIDIA supplies.
Or people who constantly pirate movies/software/music. Who gave you the right to take the property you're stealing? Even if it's for "sampling". I don't sample a plumber's work, and then decide after he has fixed the drain that I didn't want it in the first place, so I shouldn't have to pay him now.
The mentality really bothers me. Dishonesty seems to be rampant around these parts. A lot of diggers love to rant on about immoral and dishonest politicians, but how many of those diggers have stolen others works through torrent sites, and gone on here and defended themselves for their behavior! Seems a bit ***** hypocritical to me. - neferiousrich, on 07/02/2008, -1/+11I'd pay for some good games on my touch.
- subliminalurge, on 07/02/2008, -0/+10I wouldn't for a game or anything, but there are a few things I'd pony up some good cash for.
Off the top of my head, if the new hardware has a better speaker than the current model, I'd pay some pretty good money to put TomTom on it. - lvlln, on 07/02/2008, -4/+14For iPod Touch users, it's not Apps, it's AppStore: to pay or not to pay. It's seriously effed up that Apple's putting in a cover charge just to go into the store if you have an iPod Touch.
- crees!, on 07/02/2008, -0/+9Just because I might be more "connected" with an iPhone doesn't mean I want ads on my phone. I am highly anti-ad and if any 3rd party program displays them fat chance on having me install it.
- solarbeat, on 07/02/2008, -0/+9AT&T *always* knows what you're downloading.
- serif69, on 07/02/2008, -0/+9It's not just diggers. There is an expectation among OSS fans and people on the internet in general that software should be free as in beer as well as free as in speech. These are two completely different beasts, and should be mutually exclusive.
- antoniojvr, on 07/02/2008, -2/+10Yea, I hope to screw over programmers as well. Learn to live without the 10$, you prick.
- judicar, on 07/02/2008, -0/+8This article makes absolutely no sense. All Apple is providing is the market place to distribute applications, if the developer wants to charge or give it away for free that's their decision. But then at the end of the article he states:
"If Apple ever does decide to let all iPhone apps be free, it would be a radical departure from its typical way of doing business."
He seems confused about his subject matter. - digiguy, on 07/02/2008, -9/+17The only thing I ***** want is flash and cut&paste.
- alansky, on 07/02/2008, -3/+11People who expect all software to be free are retarded. Get a life!
- tghd, on 07/02/2008, -0/+8Its YOUR fault and nobody else. Quit complaining you know the rules, we knew a 3G iphone was coming, just because you little to no will power doesn't mean ATT should bend the rules for you. Pay up or Shut UP.
- leerayIG88, on 07/02/2008, -1/+8 I wish I didn't pay for sex.
- adrianc1982, on 07/02/2008, -1/+8I used to get free games and whatnot off the internet all the time, but now that ive grown up a little, i know what its like to earn my own money and the meaning of getting paid for the time i invest is that I pay for software and games. It feels really great, even better than pirating, paying for something you like, for example buying a game over steam or the app store with your credit card and using it and getting all the support is way cooler than pirating. I hope i dont get buried down its just my opinion.
- cheez124, on 07/02/2008, -1/+7if its a good app, like a game from a top publisher, I'll pay. and I dont get the big deal about cut and paste, ive never needed it and ive had my iphone for a year now.
- woojoo, on 07/02/2008, -0/+6As a matter of fact, the great majority of people (not us) still PAY for their software. The iPhone platform SHOULD be no exception to that. Also, if webapps are willing to put up ads, why not iPhone apps? This article sounds like Apple's exploiting their customer base, which it's not. Besides, why would developers make applications if they can't earn a living off it it? iPhone Apps SHOULD be just like computer apps: some are free, some are pay, depending on the goodness of the developer's heart.
- glui2001, on 07/02/2008, -4/+10If (there's value in it that you're willing to pay for) {
buy it;
}
else {
Shut your fat mouth the ***** up!;
} - roustk, on 07/02/2008, -2/+8Something is completely wrong with the logic in this article: "So why can't all iPhone apps be free? Well, quite simply, because people are still willing to pay for them."
Does it mean that the groceries are still free because people are willing to pay for them? What happened to the fair exchange of money for value? - reneritchie, on 07/02/2008, -1/+6Did the author write the article for free, because, you know, Time.com has advertising on it? If software developers should give away their apps for free in exchange for ad revenue, shouldn't journalists/bloggers who suggest they do try the business model out by working for free themselves first?
- xero9, on 07/02/2008, -0/+5Just out of curiosity, how do you expect them to implement cut and paste? you press and hold to move around the screen, so how would you switch between highlighting text and scrolling a website?
- Gutterpunk, on 07/02/2008, -2/+7Oh common. You aren't paying for your Facebook apps? Well someone is... It's called ad money, and unless you want to see ads on your iPhone, yes, expect to pay for applications.
Of course, we might see free apps, but most will be crappy, buggy, rip off and without any support just like what we see on other devices out there.
But I forget... the iPhone doesn't get compared to other phones, it gets compared to Facebook. The iPhone is not a phone, it's a "cool" thing, just like Facebook, so the comparison is valid. - freakin42, on 07/02/2008, -5/+10Sorry to say, but it's not effed up. It's called general accounting practices. Apple is accountable to it's investors. By law.. LAW mind you... they are allowed to continue to make software improvements to the iPhone because they can amortize the money across a 24 month period, the period of your AT&T contract. The iPod Touch has no such ability to be amortized, and hence, they are required to charge for new features in order to be accountable to the stockholders. It's not effed up, because they have no choice in the matter.
- TheWeez, on 07/02/2008, -1/+6We don't need any more of that. Digg has become so much less interesting since all these lame pro-Obama and anti-Hillary/McCain stories took over. I can't wait til the election is just over so we can get back to more interesting stuff.
- phoomp, on 07/02/2008, -1/+5meh ... other companies (Sony, Microsoft) seem to be able to offer new features to their non-subscription-based products (PS3, PSP, Zune) without charging their customers. Some people are just too willing to accept Apple's excuses.
- arcticblue, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4So why are PS3 updates free? I'm not paying anything to them at all yet they still don't have to charge for the updates.
- super_spyder, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4i agree, however the exception would be if i found some specialized program
- PixelKid, on 07/02/2008, -0/+4This is an absolute non story! Jeez!
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- Drizzit, on 07/02/2008, -1/+5I just love how people say they'll steal the apps as soon as they can. Are you really that cheap or did your parents not raise you right?
It's this same group of people who consistently steal digital media in any form just for the sake of doing it that is responsible for ISP's now having an excuse to move to metered usage. Thanks for ruining the internet for everyone else. Jackasses! - solid12345, on 07/03/2008, -0/+4Sometimes you get what you pay for. I'd rather pay 10 bucks for Super Monkey Ball rather than play a crappy ripoff clone of Tetris for free.
- Rustymetal, on 07/02/2008, -1/+5More like general greed and price gouging tactics. I get fireware updates for all my previous ipods for free, why would the touch be any different? because apple is greedy.
- iamgnat, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3At that time, did you really have no clue that the 3g was going to be announced at WWDC with a likely short period before an actual release? Did you also not know that you aren't supposed to get new contract deals so soon after re-upping (note: I have seen them give the re-up deals almost monthly to some people, but I doubt they will for the iPhone at least to start with)?
I'm sorry that you some how feel cheated, but you weren't. The new iPhone can't be a surprise to anyone even remotely following the Tech industry and the royal shafting by mobile phone carriers can't be a surprise to anyone that has ever used their services. You made your choice to get a Shine, now either be happy with it or live with the fact that you have to pay extra because you couldn't wait another couple of months.
Furthermore, until just before WWDC there was no (substantial) indication that there would be carrier incentives on the phone. So if you bought your Shine thinking you were going to get the iPhone anyway, then you had to be planning for somewhere in the $399 to $499 range anyway.
And don't give me the "my old phone died" crap either. My old phone died 18 months ago and i've been limping along on a POS SLVR (got it from eBay for - deadnoob, on 07/02/2008, -7/+10"It's probably been a while since you bought new software. That's because so many tech firms can now afford to give their programs away for free."
That isn't the reason we don't buy new software. The Pirate Bay is. - superkendall, on 07/02/2008, -2/+5Try telling that to the people clamoring for native apps for the iPhone before! Native apps will always have a leg up in performance and usability, and there are some things you just cannot do with a web application.
- TheWeez, on 07/02/2008, -1/+4There are some apps that charge already like Labyrinth and Camera Pro.
- Flytrap, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3I use lots of open source software and ad supported software on my desktop. I have also developed a few libraries and widgets that I have later offered for free download and sharing. However, thinking about it I now realise that all the software on my windows mobile phone was purchased as closed source commercial software... and I have had at least one device representing virtually every windows ce generation since the Casiopeia E105.
For some reason, I do not treat my PDAs and phones the same way I treat my PC. Maybe it is because the PC is so open, I am comfortable that I can work my way out of any software related trouble... but I view my phone the way I view my television, washing machine or Wii. I don't want to mess with it because I always want it to just work... doing the kind of things that its original designers intended it to do very well. - covertbadger, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3$700? I suppose that's alright if the app takes about a few hours to write, but for a developer looking to make a profit on iPhone apps it's a lousy return for anything that takes upwards of a weekend.
- dagamer34, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3Prostitute or a wife/gf, you always pay for sex in one way or another.
There are 3 things in life a man can't avoid: death, taxes, and paying for sex. - manitoba98xp, on 07/02/2008, -0/+3@teh_techie: Interesting idea, but that means that you have to allocate full-time screen space, a valuable resource on the iPhone. A universal gesture would work far better, were they to implement cut and paste.
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