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- tuomasb, on 07/01/2009, -5/+69In other news, my new Quad-core computer is over 10 times faster than my old Athlon Thunderbird.
What is this *****, comparing just released 3GS to the N95 that went on sale 2 years ago in 2007?
iTrolls please die. - Stoyanov, on 07/01/2009, -1/+24iSmoke, don't breathe this.
- ThatsNotPudding, on 07/01/2009, -22/+45...and then smokes, overheats, and burns all the smug houses down.
- MooseOfReason, on 07/01/2009, -1/+15Or heats up enough to lightly toast a hamburger bun.
- jakebellacera, on 07/01/2009, -1/+14I currently have the 32GB 3GS. I've had the iPhone since the day the first-gen came out and this is my personal review on all three generations:
First-gen = after OS 2.0 the battery could last longer than a day without requiring the mandatory evening recharge. WiFi on.
Second-gen (3G) = started charging my phone every night, quickly became a ritual but I would find myself switching off WiFi when I don't need it and cutting the brightness down just to make it through the day.
Third-gen (3GS) = hard to last a day of average-use in airplane mode with WiFi off. when you turn on the battery percentage "feature" and use GPS you'll see drops of 10% every couple minutes.
My average usage is about an hour throughout the day of surfing the web, mobileme push email ON, fetching my 2xgmail accounts every 30 minutes, playing music on my 20 minute commute to work back and forth, making a couple phone calls and texting a few friends/coworkers and playing a game for 5 minutes throughout the day.
I know this isn't professional data at all but it is my observations and I think that OS 3.0 just doesn't have a substantial enough power-management. I never beta tested 2.0 but I beta-tested 3.0 and I didn't even expect Apple to release 3.0 until August (at the rate seeds were being developed at). So yes, expect a new OS seed containing power-management to be coming out within the next week or so. I'm pretty sure Apple is getting sick of replacing internal heat-damaged iPhones. - GeorgeStone2, on 07/01/2009, -0/+11There's an app for that.
- ThirdPrize, on 07/01/2009, -1/+11iTroll would be quite a good name for a Mac web site.
- 4lun, on 07/01/2009, -1/+10Exactly, why did they not compare it to the N96? Or perhaps even the N97 (if they could get their hands on one).
- AdamWest2122, on 07/01/2009, -0/+910% every couple minutes? So with GPS your iphone's battery is running out every 20 minutes? I ran mine for an hour and it used about 25%, you might want to get that checked.
- techdever, on 07/01/2009, -0/+8direct link to benchmark:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=g ... - sachis, on 07/01/2009, -1/+9Pitch it against pre & HTC magic...
- ShyGuy91284, on 07/01/2009, -1/+8They could at least put it against an N97. Of course it's going to beat two-year old technology.
- kilsekddd, on 07/01/2009, -0/+7Guy can write floating point benchmark software, but can't layout a simple table properly.
- jakebellacera, on 07/01/2009, -3/+9My iphone is cooking food... suck it, Palm.
- quikbmwkid, on 07/01/2009, -0/+6needs more graphs
- lazycat, on 07/01/2009, -3/+8I tried adding HTC Touch Pro 2 to the test and the results looked fishy.
- ridd1e, on 07/01/2009, -2/+7dugg for Will it Blend reference
- MacParrot, on 07/01/2009, -0/+5It is odd that they would do a comparison to older units. It invalidates their findings and makes it pointless.
- digitalpencil, on 07/01/2009, -1/+6i don't know why milkmage copypasta'd the source but he's right, you just click the drop-down menus from the main results page and you can select from a myriad of different, modern handsets to compare and contrast.
@4lun: they have the N97 and it still got pwnd. not that any of this is exactly surprising, you only have to look at the specs to see which is likely to dominate the GLBench. - jwkpiano1, on 07/01/2009, -1/+6Dude, if they were all doing that, don't you think it might be on like CNN or something? It's only happened to a few, relatively. There are *always* manufacturing problems with any consumer electronics device. The people who got a toasty iPhone can get it replaced for free.
- MacParrot, on 07/01/2009, -0/+4The 32GB 3GS is my first iPhone and while I'm enjoying it, battery life (as compared to either an iPod or a cell phone as single use devices) has not been impressive. Granted I use it quite a bit as a video player, various apps (Flight Control is a hoot. Simple gameplay and graphics, but I can't stop playing it!), and as a cell phone. I get through the day with it, but have to charge it nightly. Maybe once the novelty wears off a bit and I'm not constantly using it this won't be as big an issue. In the meantime I've ordered a Mophie Juicepack Air battery/case which should about double my battery life.
- teddyrux, on 07/01/2009, -0/+4Don't knock the Thunderbird!
- jjesusfreak01, on 07/01/2009, -0/+4Though it does make the old iPhones look pathetic and weak
- Yarkz, on 07/01/2009, -1/+4If this means apps will start not being compatible with my ipod touch I will be pissed.
- SteveMax, on 07/01/2009, -0/+3The N97 uses an older CPU (it's been in production for years now). The top performing CPU in a Nokia Symbian phone right now is the 6720 Classic; it's on the same level of the 3GS's, faster at float but slower at integer. The Samsung Omnia HD is the fastest Symbian phone right now, and its CPU pretty much owns the 3GS's (15% faster at float, over twice as fast at integer).
- Giac, on 07/01/2009, -0/+3My nokia 5500 sport from 2006 can render a page faster with opera than the new iphone 3GS, I'm serious me and a friend put our phones side by side and loaded up a page using edge, my nokia actually loaded up the page faster. This table doesnt really prove anything....
- jpcraig, on 07/01/2009, -0/+3It's the games killing your battery. Even just a few minutes will seriously drain it (what seems like) 10x more than music and web surfing. I don't play games unless I know I'll be able to recharge fairly soon after. I have a 32gb 3GS and I've found that my average battery charge seems to last a bit longer than my 3G. On heavy usage days, I charge in my car to keep me going to the end of the workday. Of course, if you use public transportation, I realize you don't have that option. Then I do the afternoon charge to full battery. I usally don't charge overnight. The idle phone overnight uses only a couple percentage points. Also, I bet my push email uses less power than (frequent) fetch.
- tuomasb, on 07/01/2009, -0/+3Seems they have ***** up the benchmark on the N97.
Both Apple 3GS and Nokia N97 have PowerVR SGX graphics cores so only variation on the result should be from the iPhone having slighty more powerful processor, based on newer ARM Cortex A8 architecture compared to older ARM11 on N97. Also N97 performes worse than N95 which is hard to believe.
Also if the benchmark was accurate and N97 really performed as poorly as the benchmark states, it couldn't do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBquIOJwmN4&fea ...
Edit: 3GS has PowerVR SGX 535 while N97 has PowerVR SGX 530. They still ***** up the N97 benchmark.
# SGX530/1 (14 MPolys/s) for the handheld mobile market
# SGX535 and SGX540 (28 MPolys/s) for handheld high end mobile, portable, MID, UMPC, consumer, and automotive devices - wassamatta, on 07/01/2009, -0/+3ummm what about battery life with all that power? Anyone know from experience and not what is documented from Apple?
- Yarkz, on 07/01/2009, -0/+2A good dev would hide it so idiots like me wouldn't try maxing out games on his old ipod because they are used to maxing out everything.
- broncfan23, on 07/01/2009, -4/+6well ***** you that it is only available on At&t.
- mrBitch, on 07/01/2009, -0/+2You might want to check out the iPhone "Fuel Case" :
http://digg.com/apple/iPhone_Fuel_Case_extends_bat ...
" .. Case-Mate Fuel Case for iPhone 3G/3GS is integrated with a 2300mA Lithium Polymer battery, Case-Mate says it will add up to nine hours of additional talk-time, up to seven hours of internet browsing, up to eight hours of video, 24 hours of audio, and 250 hours of extra standby time." - whitesaint, on 07/01/2009, -0/+2It won't make any difference until games are rewritten to take advantage of this. Most games are capped off at a certain frame rate per second, but it's very easy to change this as everything is based on timers. Until Apple let's developers differentiate between 3G and 3GS hardware, it won't make any difference until the vast majority of users upgrade to the faster platform. The 3G hardware is very capable, but still; 500,000 triangles per second vs 5,000,000 triangles per second is very impressive.
- dnk973, on 07/01/2009, -1/+3they did compare against n97
http://www.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=g ... iPhone 3G S&D2=Apple iPhone 3G&D3=Apple iPhone 2G&D4=Nokia N97 - arminiouz, on 07/01/2009, -1/+3im having the EXACT same circumstance/issue w my battery. i was going to go to apple tomorrow to get it replaced. i have no overheating problems but, just like you, my battey "apparently" sucks.
- Undertakernv, on 07/01/2009, -1/+3Tried looking up the Palm Pre but I couldn't. The only other phone with a similar processor and it isn't up there. Buried.
- MacParrot, on 07/01/2009, -0/+2One think I think I'll like about the Mophie unit is that it covers the entire top, back, and sides of the iPhone which the CaseMate does not. Also the Mophie isn't quite as bulky as the one you linked to. The CaseMate does have a belt clip however where the Mophie does not. In one area they both fail in that there's no extended dock connector so you can use the Apple cable but you are forced to use a mini-USB cable instead. I've read some reports of problems syncing with the Mophie and if true will force me to change the way I use the device.
We'll see what happens, but for the extra time these devices will allow me to go without a charge it should be worth it. - lpaspalis, on 07/01/2009, -1/+3Too bad no palm pre to compare, I would really like to see how it compares to the new iphone.
PS. That table is terrible. - mrBitch, on 07/02/2009, -0/+2The Mophie Juice Pack looks nice, here's a macenstein review :
http://bit.ly/iphonebatterypakreview - aristotle0dude, on 07/02/2009, -0/+2The Pre cannot be benchmarked for Opengl or CPU performance because:
1. There is no published API.
2. The soon to be published API (Mojo) will be completely useless for creating benchmark tests because it is is based on interpreted Javascript. - digitalpencil, on 07/01/2009, -1/+3just select it from the list? it still got its ass kicked..
- broncfan23, on 07/01/2009, -0/+2I meant that as a general statement. Like saying ***** you to the gods for only having it available on At&t
- Baryn, on 07/01/2009, -2/+4Ad for Apple is an ad for Apple.
- o0Synn0o, on 07/01/2009, -2/+4for all you people saying compare it these other phones.....it will blow all of them out of the water including the little palm pre. and as for the htc and those stupid alien looking n96 and 97's it kills all of them.
- sclifford, on 07/03/2009, -0/+2I have the Mophie Juice Pack. It's good, but could use some improvement.
Advantages:
* It seems to slightly more than double my battery life in real-world use.
* It keeps your phone charged until the Mophie runs out of juice.
* The 3G version of the Mophie works just fine with the 3GS.
Downside:
* mini USB cable required - yes, you can sync with it, but I had an issue restoring to it a few times
* Expense - $99
* After a few weeks of use the rubber strips on the side begin to slide off. Body heat loosened the adhesive they use. I finally just pulled the strips off and cleaned the grooves out with monitor wipes. It was a bit like cleaning cosmoline from rifle parts. - aristotle0dude, on 07/02/2009, -0/+1Maybe you should complain to Palm and demand that they release a C/C++ API so someone could create a low level benchmark in the first place.
- dienamite, on 07/01/2009, -1/+2Fast pace and 3D games are likely heading that way. Apps like Need for Speed and Asphalt feel worlds apart between my 3G and 3GS, no framerate counter necessary. Prettier graphics is what most casual people care for these days, plus the devs know it'll sell better in those very few preview screenshots on the App Store.
Good devs should do multi-tier graphics for two classes of Touch and iPhones. - MSPoints4Free, on 07/05/2009, -0/+1iPhone 3GS also smokes away itself, yet Apple blames the weather, tisc tisc.
- jakebellacera, on 07/01/2009, -0/+1@AdamWest2122
Yeah, maybe it was a little more of an exaggeration but I can't seem to have the battery last longer than a half an hour (to an hour) with the GPS on.
@nicc
I feel that I am going to have to get a replacement like what @arminiouz said.
Also, is anyone else getting heat issues? Mine doesn't get scalding but it feels much warmer than my 3G felt. My phone hasn't been used all night (it's the morning now—PST) and it feels a little warm on the back... -
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