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- estvir, on 05/08/2008, -24/+126THIS STORY IS INACCURATE.
"We have seen some chatter in the blogosphere over the last 24 hours around a couple of posts speculating about what Zune may or may not do in terms of putting content filtering features directly into the Zune family of devices in future releases.
We know you guys are following this discussion closely, and wanted to be absolutely clear on this issue:
We have no plans or commitments to implement any new type of content filtering in the Zune devices as part of our content distribution deal with NBC.
We think some folks in the industry were expressing hopes for how the entire industry, not just Microsoft, would come to look at content distribution, and some speculation has ensued. Again, no plans are in place toward this end."
Source: http://zuneinsider.com/archive/2008/05/07/just-so- ... - products7074740, on 05/08/2008, -5/+35Buried as inaccurate. And thats coming from an iPod and Mac owner. Inaccurate is inaccurate no matter what brand you buy.
- Rov3r, on 05/08/2008, -7/+31Inaccurate but still:
***** THE RIAA - JNudda, on 05/08/2008, -11/+35Buried. Inaccurate.
http://zuneinsider.com/archive/2008/05/07/just-so- ... - colincornaby, on 05/08/2008, -49/+71I hope no one here ever buys a Zune again. So much for Zune fanboys labeling us iPod users as sheep.
- td04impostor, on 05/08/2008, -8/+30Every time you buy a Zune, Steve Jobs kills a kitten.
- SteelFrog, on 05/08/2008, -13/+29I was thinking of picking up a Zune rather than an iPod, but this totally made me change my mind. I want my media player to just play whatever I put on it and not dictate what I can and can't watch. Is that so complicated?
- jjpertusch, on 05/08/2008, -18/+34buried, inaccurate.
on a side note, i LOVE my Zune. love it. also, after use, a ton of my friends have voluntarily (without me asking) said that they think the zune interfacezune itself is a lot better than the ipod. you dont have to love it, but it is my opinion that most zune haters have never actually used one.
i also have an ipod nano for running. free mp3 player love. - eth3l, on 05/08/2008, -7/+22INACCURATE
This has been resoundingly marked as inaccurate all over the interwebs. Stop the FUD. - Commodus, on 05/08/2008, -10/+24Just a quick add-on: Microsoft has only said it has "no plans or commitments," but also hasn't said why it backtracked on its own spokesperson's word. I'm wondering if this wasn't a case of being caught in the act and having to turn around to save face.
- bmelnick, on 05/08/2008, -34/+47This has got to be a nail in the coffin of the Zune effort. Seriously .... who is going to buy something that will likely wind up not allowing them to transfer legitimately purchased content onto it .... such as ANY DVD content.
Just about makes you crazy!!! - Jambi, on 05/08/2008, -0/+13Because I'll guarantee you that this won't stop people out to steal stuff from disabling the DRM solution and pirating stuff anyway, while the legitimate user will get yet another hoop to jump through, making it more and more inconvenient to use the product. Treating legitimate customers as criminals alienates them, and doesn't actually stop the real ones.
- nickj6282, on 05/08/2008, -0/+12Is it stealing if I rip episodes of Heroes or The Office from my DVDs (purchased legally from Target) onto a Zune? What if this DRM scheme won't allow me to play those? Those are legally purchased.
- lpxxfaintxx2, on 05/08/2008, -10/+20Electronista has just lost my respect. Buried.
- nebkiwi, on 05/08/2008, -1/+11"SanDisk is also investigating the option, according to NBC."
- Jambi, on 05/08/2008, -0/+10It's obviously stealing, because NBC has decreed that you may only watch the content purchased on a DVD player. (and soon, it'll be only on the DVD player that's been authorized to play them...you'll need a key) What's that, fair use you say? Only terrorists believe in things like that! Or Communists! Or secret Nazis who've been hiding in Argentina since the 40's! We've got you now, Dr. Mengele!
- KiraDnote, on 05/08/2008, -0/+10Microsoft shouldn't be concerned about what content you put on your Zune. It's none of their business, and if they want to make it their business then we should stop buying their products.
- Flamancot, on 05/08/2008, -0/+9Not to mention this is part of a much more important and larger trend. We're not talking about installing a security system in circuit city or toys r us to prevent shoplifters. Digital media is increasingly easy to "steal," and will continue to get easier. I'm looking forward to a fundamental change in the what the word ownership really means to people in these industries... All of these security measures and restrictions look like the last desperate attempts of old companies with huge inertia to remain relevant and profit-making.
- charlesray, on 05/08/2008, -1/+10To be honest, I'd rather Microsoft institute this feature than use the word "blogosphere" in an official communication.
- HillerMylife, on 07/24/2008, -5/+13People who don't know about the filter, which will be 95% of consumers.
- migitalwarfare, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8i think fred might mean that it won't play certain formats, which means he missed the point entirely
- Mackofalltrades, on 05/08/2008, -0/+8Buried do to comment making no sense whatsoever.
- AronT, on 05/08/2008, -2/+9Here are the problems with your post.
1) Let me spell it out for you... A-A-C... try it yourself.
2) AAC does not equal DRM - it never has, and it never will.
3) You CAN copy any iTunes purchase to a CD anytime you want. Luckily, you only need to do it once to copy it back to your library without any DRM.
4) Technically this is Microsoft FUD - or Apple propaganda - depending on where you stand.
Now shut up and go quietly submit to your overlords.
Ps, Not buying an iPod just to be "different" is probably more sheep-like than actually buying an iPod. - inactive, on 05/08/2008, -23/+29Come on, who are you going to believe, an executive from NBC or a blogger from Microsoft? This sort of thing is exactly like something that Microsoft would do. Remember Windows Genuine Advantage?
- Aidenf77, on 05/08/2008, -0/+6Jambi hit the nail on the head. When companies try and "protect" their digital product, the only ones who lose are paying customers and the companies themselves. If a DRM solution can be implemented, it can be circumvented. If companies consider the fact that there is nothing they can really do to stop those who want to pirate, then they can be free to focus on delivering a top notch product in the most accessible manner possible. I think that if companies stop wasting resources on restrictive DRM, and dedicate more time and money toward delivering the most integrated, intuitive, and streamlined distribution methods, paying consumers will repeatedly flock to what they have to offer; despite any pirating that might happen between legitimate purchases.
- tschau, on 05/08/2008, -2/+8You'll always believe what a PR person from a company tells you before the media? Man, you must get ***** pulled over on you all the time.
Companies have a way of saying what's in their best interest, regardless of what the truth may be. Reps from a company don't have to tell the exact truth to keep their jobs, they just have to do what's good for the company. Which in this case is probably deny what's in the works until they're ready.
The media, on the other hand, do have the job of exposing the truth of what companies are up to. - Digitalfilm43, on 05/08/2008, -4/+10Just like "PlaysForSure"? That will always be around and always work...Right? That's why they named it PlaysForSure....oh, wait...I guess they were wrong.
- migitalwarfare, on 05/08/2008, -0/+5everybody loves a luddite posting on the internet
- clubby, on 05/08/2008, -2/+7My iPod plays whatever I put on it. What are you having trouble playing, Fred?
- KiraDnote, on 05/08/2008, -4/+9Windows Genuine Advantage - a compelling reason to use XP corporate on your personal computer.
- mrsteveman1, on 05/08/2008, -1/+6No, it isn't it just hasn't happened yet. Microsoft isn't worth trusting, they have a history of going out of their way to make DRM more restrictive in the hopes that content providers will choose them exclusively as a platform. They tried the same thing with WMA and failed miserably.
- biw314, on 05/08/2008, -0/+5have you looked into this at all? every line you've written has something wrong in it.
- lpxxfaintxx2, on 05/08/2008, -15/+20Too bad the story is inaccurate.
- rblancarte, on 05/08/2008, -1/+6Then you clearly didn't read the article
"SanDisk is also investigating the option, according to NBC." - SteelFrog, on 05/08/2008, -9/+13...that was a pretty stupid argument. Of course we'll believe someone from the actual company before some random media group. The media doesn't really care of they get it wrong or right while Microsoft reps do (if they want to keep their jobs anyway).
- Ranvier, on 05/08/2008, -14/+18***** story.
- weareglass, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4$20 says this story's not in the next Diggnation episode.
- Flamancot, on 05/08/2008, -0/+4100% behind you here, I feel the same way about the inevitability of Digital Media. Music especially... these companies can't win, and had better stop wasting their time and figure out another way to make money if they want to be around ten years from now. And if they're not, I certainly won't cry for them.
- LumpOfCole, on 05/08/2008, -23/+27I'm a Zune advocate too, but this is definitely the wrong direction. I'm still of the opinion that a Zuke 80gb player is better than an 80gb iPod, but if stories like this continue I'll have to change my opinion.
- mogebier, on 05/08/2008, -10/+14Who PAYS to download TV shows anyway??
ipod-loving chumps?? - shmatt, on 05/08/2008, -1/+5off-topic but, honest question- why does anyone like the idea of paying for your music forever? have things changed since rhapsody came out? Do you just burn and re-rip everything? What if I max out my card and the subscription is declined, have I lost all my purchased music? that's ***** crazy... what am i missing here?
- KiraDnote, on 05/08/2008, -1/+5Ballmer is a huge part of the problem. Microsoft should fire him post haste. There's no way Microsoft is going to prosper under Ballmer.
- alricsca, on 05/08/2008, -2/+5Microsoft may have made its biggest blunders ever in adding all these stupid DRM features to its products like Vista and now possibly Zune in the hope that the content providers open their library would lead consumers to overlook the draconian impact. Not only did it slow down their system and seriously interfere with other development, the DRM prevented extensibility, locked down the system to a narrow set of formats, and limit the content's they wanted bring in new users overall appeal defeating the whole purpose. People need and want to share and talk about good content, it brings them and others back for more. There is no real business sense to support DRM in the long run. The networks only think they want this because they are so terrified of the alternatives.
The reality is that a good price, easy access, and no grief will always bring people. I am quite sure at a low enough price with no DRM, people would by the product from them in droves. They can still go after major pirates and warez sites as long as they do no give their users grief and have no DRM. In fact people as a whole are good and will support this. Sure you would not make as much money as a pretend world where not only does everyone who wants the content pay for it but they all pay the high price you want but you will make money.
I have another question, why is it that this DRM is always no share no copy? It is one thing to prevent copying, but if you look at the DRM you realize they go a step further. They want a new right. The right to limit the content to only one player or a group of players that belongs to only one person. You can not transfer the usage rights from one person to another. In the world of physical media you can give someone a good tape, not with this DRM. This points to the heart of the matter with companies like NBC, they are greedy companies who see the moral appeal of DRM as a way to leverage more money for the same product. Well it seems to me that if they want to add DRM, that is even more limiting than the media before it, the price should be slashed accordingly. Interesting how they do not want that either.
NBC is acting like the proverbial child who wants to have his cake and eat it to. I think it is time to respond as any good parent and take way their reward. DRM should be outlawed as anti competitive and anti business. - badnewsblair, on 05/08/2008, -2/+5Subscription? Ugh.
- falafelkiosken, on 05/08/2008, -8/+11there are lots of Redmond fanboys, probably more than us Apple fanboys, and they are as crazy as we are
- jerrycan, on 05/08/2008, -0/+3Can fair use include taking a time shifted copy from my media-center?
- mrsteveman1, on 05/08/2008, -1/+4I just got done telling you they aren't worth trusting, and you point to something they said as proof they won't do it? Right....
- etx313, on 05/08/2008, -2/+5Good. I have 3.
- FredFredrickson, on 05/08/2008, -12/+15And you think that an iPod will just play whatever you want to put on it? Someone hasn't done their homework.
- cadmiumpaint, on 05/08/2008, -3/+6As if selling the zune in Brown wasn't a big enough mistake...
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