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- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -11/+48"it's a better browser anyway.."
I disagree on the Mac... I use Firefox on my linux boxes, and my work windows PC, but on my Macs I love to use Safari. It integrates well with the Aqua look/feel, has tabs, is faster, and renders every site I visit just fine. - stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+26Every website I've come across that claims to require FF or IE works just fine with Safari if you just let Safari trick the server into thinking it's IE 6. That tells you that it's a stupid browser check some lazy web "developer" put in, and not actually based on any supposed shortcoming of Safari.
/Safari rules. - rderveloy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+23No digg.
Anyone who has done any software development before, especially when there is a tight deadline involved, knows that sometimes you have to postpone things until the next update simply because there wasn't enough development time.
When developing a website, cutting browser support is the last thing you would ever want to cut. However, sometimes deadlines are non-negotiable and you have to make tough choices on what you have to cut to make the deadline. With IE and FireFox have a combined market share of ~95% of the market, it's a no-brianer business decision.
That being said, Yahoo will be foolish to keep safari users in the dark for long. I don't doubt that they are working hard on adding safari support to the site as we speak er... type. - soogy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+26Camino integrates with OS X perfectly, and uses the same rendering engine (Gecko) as Firefox.
But, this is just a preview. They will add Safari support LATER, particularily before they actually make it final. Did you really think Yahoo is stupid enough to drop Safari support? - danielg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17Yahoo blocks the Opera browser too.
http://operawatch.com/news/2006/05/yahoo-pulls-google-move-new-yahoo-site-blocks-opera-browser.html - IanBell330, on 10/12/2007, -6/+23hmm that seems pretty odd to me. I wonder what percentage of Yahoo! visitors use Safari? It must be too small for them to be considered? What a shame.
BTW watch out for pop-ups on the Mac Daily News site, I was blasted with two. - shadedream, on 10/12/2007, -9/+26"who gives a *****? why don't mac users just download mac firefox? it's a better browser anyway..."
Firefox is a better browser on windows yes. The best browser on linux, and a great browser on Macs. BUT many of us Mac users prefer Safari. It's a little feature leaner in some ways and more responsive (not necessarily faster). Not to mention the interface is cleaner on the Mac side. The stock FF interface is a bit ugly on the mac side. Camino is a nice browser as well based on the mozilla gecko engine, but lacks a lot of the functionality that FF has.
P.S. I would assume this would effect all KHTML based browsers, so Mac users and linux users would be effected by it (any KHTML browsers on windows?) - mtied, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16It works with the new Yahoo page. You have to enable the debug menu in order to tell it to display as IE 6.
Close Safari, and enter this command into terminal:
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 - fahrvergnuugen, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19What the heck are you talking about? I design web based applications for a living. There is nothing wrong with Safari's implementation of XMLHttpRequest. Don't believe me? Check here: http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xmlhttpreq.html
Stop spewing FUD. - tackle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14[Quote]Yahoo blocks the Opera browser too[/Quote]
Tools -> Quick Preference -> Identify as Internet Explorer.
The new Yahoo! home page renders just a fine on my Opera 9.0 beta. The funny part is it doesnt work on IE 7 beta. - mtied, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13If you tell Safari to display as IE it works.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Pretty retarded, it doesn't exclude just Safari it excludes everyone not using IE6 or Firefox 1.5
I'm running IE7 Preview and Bon Echo (firefox 2 beta) and it doesn't support those either. So they aren't just excluding macs, just as of right now they have probably only tested it with IE6 and Firefox 1.5 so only allow people with those browsers to look at it so that people don't see a flawed product. - doherty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10If I'm not mistaken, when you try to view the preview with an unsupported browser, you get a full-page message about how the page is a preview and only meant for IE6 and Firefox 1.5 right now, but that other browsers WILL BE supported later.
Am I the only one that bothered to read that? - captaindan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13I just tried the Acid2 test on Safari and the scrollbar is hidden.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10I noticed this a few days ago when I fired up Safari on a Mac. And to be perfectly honest, it doesn't really bother me. I can use Firefox.
Mac users: Are you really that upset? Come on, you've chosen to be in the 3% of computer users. In the 1% of browser users. And you want to complain that some site doesn't work for you, that someone didn't go out of their way to make sure that people who made a CONSCIOUS decision to be "different" can use their site because they insist on using a browser that 99% of the market doesn't use?
Do you feel excluded? Well, you wanted to be. You chose to use a Mac. You wanted to be different. Now that you aren't included, you feel bad? - badtz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10pabster3: are you saying firefox is not a good browser on the mac? What makes Safari [the only acid2 compliant browser] 'suck'? Personally, I like Safari, but don't mind using firefox and camino (which are essetially the same with different UIs) when needed .....
- dacracot, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17Alas I have had to do the same in my own work, and I am a great fan of Mac, a user since 1984 and prior on a Lisa. The problem is with Safari's support of POST for XMLHttpRequest. It is incomplete. On the other hand Firefox 1.5 for Mac does work. Who should be lobbied in Apple to correct this?
- EmperorMing, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I demand more Lynx support.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6 rderveloy how do you explain the fact that yahoo is blocking Opera too ?
Actually Opera is perfectly capable of rendering the new yahoo webpage. All they needed to do is to add "one" extra line to allow opera's ua string. - mercatfat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11It's ***** that it doesn't support Lynx.
- LoungeActx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Unfortunately the Yahoo! site also blocks Camino, which is weird. It tells me I need Firefox or IE
- sardonic, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Sounds like if you give them some time to fix the bugs in their BETA it might work eh? not just cry about it.
- cpmoser, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5(Safari user here) It is a *preview* - in defense of Yahoo I think it's a good idea to limit browser support on a test such as this because it helps to isolate bugs. With a user base as large as Yahoo's, I'm sure they'll be getting plenty of bug reports. Adding Safari (and any other browser) into the mix of reports would certainly complicate things.
Now if they did this on their release, that would be another issue entirely. - kupodan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I hate that. I dislike safari and FF is slow on OSX.... camino rox but doesn't do me any good on that.
- jordan314, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7lol if everyone does this, no wonder web developers don't develop for safari because they think everyone is using IE!
It does work but definitely has some bugs. Safari really needs to fix their httprequest and contenteditable protocols.
On a side note, this article echos my comments on the digg article "reviewing the yahoo! web 2.0 overhaul." I guess my digg comments are digg story worthy! :P - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Just out of curiosity, are there any adults here who are actually interested in the sharing of useful information about technology and having productive discussion, or has digg finally degenerated into a bunch of whiney little children who have nothing better to do than bitch about how they can't see yahoo and unreasonable, spoiled brats at the same time? Do any of you people have jobs?
No wait, dont answer that, just bury this. - tackle, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6[Quote]Do we all drive the same car? Why not?[/Quote]
This is the worst analogy I've read all week long, on Digg. Keep up the good work. - usefulidiot, on 10/12/2007, -35/+39because firefox is rediculously slow on macs compared to safari
- DanVersion1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Just go to http://www.yahoo.com/beta/ and Camino, Opera, and Safari will work properly.
- CasadeMike, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I'm not sure everyone should cry foul yet. Check out Yahoo's own graded browser support:
http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/articles/gbs/gbs_browser-chart.html - moracity, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10The submitter and everyone backing him is an idot. This isn't a functional problem. Yahoo is doing a simple browser check and are explicitly denying non IE6/FF1.5 browsers. This is the PREVIEW. The new site is not official yet. Yahoo specifically says it will support other browsers soon. If digg plans on succeeding, they need to get a more intelligent user base. Stories like this are ridiculous.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Even if I still used safari, I haven't been to the yahoo website in probably 6 years, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be missing out on anything regardless, plus if it's as easy as switching browsers, then who cares.
- dacracot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I too am a developer. Your (fahrvergnuugen) example from Apple is where I started too, but it uses GET as the HTTP method. See if you can get POST to work. My investigation took place some 6 months ago, and was never revisited, so perhaps Apple fixed it. If so, I would like to know.
- FitFinlay, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5And even though it supports Firefox, it does not support Camino...which is made by Mozilla
- deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Maybe Apple should consider switching to Gecko for OSX 10.5. Camino proves that Gecko can match or exceed Safari's speed.
- dbalaski, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well - the funny thing here is if they write to Open Industry Standards, then it shouldnt matter what browser you use.
I use Firefox & Sarfari as my test browsers --- if they both work, then the code is clean ....
So it is funny. - pornel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Riiight. Safari passed Acid2 test first, and IE7 isn't even close yet. Yahoo's website *does work* in Safari now, if you spoof it's user-agent string.
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3You're moron. Mod me down for being anti-you.
- cws125, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@fishdan: Opera 9 and Safari 2 does support "design mode". Check out TinyMCE (tinymce.moxiecode.com) in Opera 9 or Safari 2.
The Writely guys are just lazy and haven't released a version that supports Opera or Safari yet. - pornel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Such as having "MSIE" or "Firefox" in its name, because apparently there aren't any other requirements that Safari doesn't meet to display Yahoo page. Change name, and it works!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"but Safari and Opera do NOT implement "design mode"
Yes they do. That is wrong. If you know how to code, you can make it work just fine. - birch25, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4i love mac stories, but come on...this isn't front page worthy. and they say they're working on a safari version as we speak, so what's the big deal? they're not snubbing us, they made is work with the two most popular browsers out there, now they're coming to the most popular mac browser.
- veracon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4For God's sake, it's a preview. Be happy that you're able to see this, that it isn't just available to a quality assurance team. If you're that desperate to see this site, you just go download Firefox.
- djg38, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3That's not true. Yahoo! Developer Central lists Safari on its A-Grade browser page, meaning they fully support and test for it on all their websites. When this new homepage becomes non-beta, it'll be fully supported on Safari.
- pornel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yahoo's website does work fine in Safari if you work around the blockade. There is no technical reason to block it.
- tapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3First of all, Firefox, Safari, Camino, and Opera all use the same plugin architecture. So I'm not sure what you mean by plugins not working. However, Firefox extensions and themes don't work, because Firefox's interface is essentially a webpage (using a language known as XUL) rendered by the rendering engine itself. Camino's interface is in Cocoa. So it can use some elements of XUL if it's embedded in a page, but can't attach it to the UI.
Secondly, Camino uses the Gecko rendering engine, the same as Firefox, and does *not* use Webkit. Hence Camino's reason to exist, and the reasoning behind their motto, "Mozilla power, Mac style". Camino is also much older than either Webkit or Safari, though it was started by the same developer before they joined Apple. - tk4two1, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Yahoo? Why would I even care? I can't even remember the last time I visited yahoo. There is obviously nothing at yahoo that I can't find and use elsewhere.
- digga, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@rasterbator
Camino uses Gecko, not WebKit. - tackle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4[Quote]The bottom line here is that Safari and Opera will have to change -- Web 2.0 is not going away[/Quote]
Set your Opera 9.0 beta to identify itself as IE. It works just as fine. - rprather, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Slow and Ugly and missing many links to OSX that make Safari the browser of choice for most Mac users.
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