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- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+47While its an interesting app, I really have no desire to pay for a torrent client when there are so many great free ones available. Although I can accept that there's a need for a good compromise between the bloated and feature starved torrent clients currently available for the mac, it's simply not worth $20-38 to me.
Not to mention that there seems to be something morally devious (atleast IMO) about charging for something that gains its entire functionality from a free library and that will significantly be used to pirate the work of others. And yes, I'm perfectly aware of the legal torrents available, but somebody who uses a closed source torrent client is hardly the type to download linux ISOs/free software.
On the other hand, if the price came down by 25-50% and the author made contributions back to transmission, I would seriously consider buying it. - thejokell, on 10/12/2007, -4/+43Not only that but he's charging for open source software. All he did was slap a gui on it.
- kinesis8, on 10/12/2007, -0/+36Going to pass on xtorrent until it offers selective downloading of files in a torrent. Azeurus may be a memory hog, but it's the only mac client that offers that feature so far.
- NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+36Yes, because Mac users are _rushing_ to switch to linux.
- SuperSnake2012, on 10/12/2007, -5/+32He does this with other programs as well... Acquisition is Limewire with a pretty GUI... XTorrent has issues with reporting back to the tracker and is banned by most popular trackers, so Mac users should just stick to Azureus.
- zackkitzmiller, on 10/12/2007, -5/+31That dude's a ***** Douche Bag.
- Pingspike, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Xtorrent is one of (if not the) worse and featureless clients available for the mac (and there aren't many).
No web interface, no selective downloading, no prioritising, no bandwidth limiting (other than a global setting in the preferences).
Oh, and did anyone notice how strikingly similar it is to BitRocket ? hmmmm....
And like others have said, charging for a BT client is offensive. - cinnix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19[edit - was meant to reply to mejogi]
Not only that, but if you are going to pay $20 for a client, it oughtta be the bees knees.Most private trackers disallow xtorrent. At present it is very buggy and lacking in features. Below is a quote from OiNK, and his reasoning for banning xtorrent.
"Where do I start? I mean, there's just so many.
# It re-uses Peer IDs between sessions.
# It doesn't send a stopped event when removing a torrent from the client.
# It re-announces to the tracker every ~300 seconds (a fraction over 5 mins).
# It sent a started event instead of a completed event when completing a torrent.
Not strictly a bug, but a major feature omitted:
# It has no section for tracker error messages.
Even if all of those bugs are fixed, It's incredibly unlikely to be allowed here. I've only spent 10 minutes looking at what this client does, and I found all of those. I really do dread to think what else is wrong with it. The author clearly has no interest in making a decent client, rather wants to make a quick bit of cash for shoddy work. He wants to charge $19 for this crap? $28 if you want updates?! " - teetow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16So, I guess it's time to uninstall Xtorrent.
I liked the lightweight feel and the "folder watch" feature - I don't like the price tag. Make it donationware and I'll give you my money when I feel like you deserve it. - StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+15OK, it was okayback in beta because:
1) it was free
2) there was the promise of lots more features.
But this is Watanabe's sorriest work to date. No queueing, no selective downloads, terrible crash recovery, and it apparently has a lot of technical torrent bugs that I don't understand, but the people who claim to understand them won't stop bitching about them. And he pissed me off quite effectively:
a ONE HOUR trial.
that's right. All those torrents you'd been working on for the beta, you have ONE HOUR to finish them up. That's ***** ridiculous.
This app is best suited to people who download one or two torrents at a time. The hardcore torrenters - the ones who would actually be willing to pay for a quality client - have already given up on it. He's eliminated his market with incredible skill.
I hate to say these about him - I love David's other apps. His UI's are lickably pretty. But this program is a pile of *****. - JuyLe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Well, time to redownload the good old Transmission... I'm going to miss the RSS function, but well, wasn't that much well implemented. I don't want to pay $20 for something that I can have for free, ever. And I don't like the guy himself that much too either. Not really a loss.
- lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -4/+15Too bad Inquisitor 3 will be be useless to Leopard users since Apple has abandoned Input Manager plugins.
- Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12why oh why can't somebody port uTorrent to the mac? I just want a lightweight client that supports packet encryption, is that so much to ask?
- DrawingTheSun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10reading some of these reply's, i don't think your or me would want a windows version
- Athens101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Dear me I must have been using Linux for to long. When I click (download) and see a $ it really does cause a shock same goes for (demo) or (shareware) apps.
I can see paying for some things like games or CXOffice but a payed bittorrent client? Stands about as much chance as a payed browser now days. - Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Couldn't agree more... judging by that list of bugs he hasn't even bothered to use a recent version of libtransmission (which has fixed at least the second bug you list), which although admittedly beta is perfectly stable, and less buggy than previous versions per your post. And I stand by my previous comment that he could at least try to fix these bugs and offer the changes back upstream. Currently, he's doing nothing more than leeching of open source with a pretty GUI for the stereotypical OS X user.
- endlessfight, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I would like to say I feel bad for anyone who purchased this, but I won't. Anyone stupid enough to pay for a torrent client deserves to be screwed over. After all, that's what Watanabe's user base is: idiots with too much money and not enough sense.
Good luck ever seeing torrent-related features added to this application. Watanabe can't program for *****, so until the transmission codebase is updated and he can steal that code and sell it, you won't be seeing anything other than interface updates. - navvvv, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Hi Mrs Watanabe!
*waves* - darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5just torrent it....
- sabor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The best torrent solution on the Mac is uTorrent running on Parallels :) I have set everything by means of shared folders and it works *very* well.
Transmission and xtorrent crash and corrupt downloads very often. Azureus is OK, but I seldom get anything downloaded. uTorrent beats them all hands down. - plasticated, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Whats the freaking point of RSS support if you can't choose to auto download the files as they are published??
- navvvv, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It's a torrent client, not a fashion statement.
- drobati, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2This guy is a good developer and I love his software, but he was such an ***** to me when I had two purchases of NewsFire, (one regular, one bundled). I was told that if I bought the bundle package and I already had a serial for any of the software, I would be compensated. I emailed him regarding this and he emailed me back saying my serial isn't worth compensating, despite the fact that I paid twice for his software.
If he thinks im ever going to pay again for any of his software, he can take that idea and shove it up his ass. - monofonik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I bought XTorrent a while ago, in the pre-release phase. I like it, it's nice and works well. The private tracker argument is kind of moot.. anything that's on a private tracker that I've tried to download has worked fine, and I'd imagine if I needed something that was on a private tracker that I was blocked from, I could PROBABLY find it elsewhere.
That being said, I don't know if I'd have bought it if there was uTorrent for Mac. I haven't really looked into BitRocket. - JzzL, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Pay for a torrent application? Wow.
- ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2They didn't. They will ask user if he/she wants input manager functionality or not. Saw a leaked screenshot.
Looks like some guys were making propaganda all over the web to convince Apple to do stupid things. - adc89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Xtorrent blows.
This is coming from a guy who bought Disco...
Inquisitor is essential though. It's too bad Watanabe doesn't team up with a decent coder. He makes the best interfaces, apart from Apple of course, but he relies to heavily upon other peoples work for the guts. What your left with is, in Xtorrent's case especially, the equivalent of candy coated *****. - ksgant, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I would actually pay for it, if it actually offered features that warrant purchasing it.
As it stands, it offers really nothing more than RSS feeds over the free Transmission client. Yes, there are a few more little things here and there, but until it offers the amount of features that a program like µTorrent on the PC (which is free btw) or Azureus has, then I won't ever use this.
Azureus will have to do for now. Or maybe I'll fire up an X-windows bittorrent client. - Greywhind, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Count me in as 1 Mac user who _has_ only used XTorrent to download Linux.
I know of other Mac users who also run Linux.
Edit: steelmaverick, they can run Linux. Fedora 6 or Ubuntu Feisty Fawn are the easiest to get working, I believe. I use Fedora 6 personally, but I might switch to Feisty. It's not actually that difficult to install Fedora, although wireless and graphics drivers are a bit annoying. - evelian, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I'd highly recommend those who have tried the current official release of Transmission and have been underwelmed to try the latest betas: http://chucker.mystfans.com/opensource/transmission/
It has a lot more features, looks better and is nearly just as fast (download-wise) as Azureus. Still no encryption or selective downloading, but the latter is on the way (possibly the former as well, not sure).
I use it for all of my public torrents and I'm very happy with it. - Yardsale, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I use Newsfire and it is incredible and I don't feel bad paying for it, but David Watanabe is a real jerk. I paid for the software and had to reformat and somehow my e-mail got blacklisted and when i tried to explain it all, he was a real dick to me. Burning the very people that support his ass. Boo this man.
- adc89, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@SenatorPenguin
Bulletproof... Hardly. All you need is an email of someone who bought it. For all his other apps at least.
There is also another method which I won't mention here. - Philodox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1he just needs to release a browser for $20 (but based on the firefox libs) and he'll have the total package.
- avatarpalin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I paid for the software. 9/10 files i download are TV shows and i love the rss component, it makes keeping up to date damn easy. I still have AZ though.
- june1810, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3***** it!... I'm thinking of buying a Xtorrent License (+Lifetime Upgrades Option) and spread it on the net. Because is ridiculous the way this developer is trying to get paid.
- darkamster07, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I have been using transmission for quite a while, and I love it a lot, very simple interface, "just works" pretty much.
But now that I have been using it, I do feel it is a bit lacking in the features. I would love to download just idividual files from a torrent. when I download music, I search for some pretty obscure bands, and the only stuff I get with a descent peer to seed ratio in discographys, but I don't want all of thier albums! if I could just get the album I wanted out of that torrent, that would be great. - SenatorPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2XTorrent is shareware, so you might as well just download it. Additionally, almost all of his development time is spent not on improving the product and making it, you know, function properly (Acquisition), but on making his licensing scheme almost completely bulletproof.
- Linh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1To be perfectly honest, why do you think you should be compensated? It was part of a bundle on your second purchase I presume... you knew you were getting a 2nd serial.
At the same time, that kind of response is definitely unwarranted. I feel ripped off for supporting his software in the past. As I really do like the xtorrent interface and clean RSS integration... but all the flaws it has w/ reporting and whathot... - monofonik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Most TV torrentcasts have more than one release of the same show. Wouldn't you be a bit choked if you woke up in the morning and there were four versions of the same episode of Desperate Housewives there?
- robbclark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Version 2.6 ( I believe) works in Camino if you can find it.
- rosswinn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3These are both great apps, and well worth the price. The developers commitment to updates and fixes is admirable. They don't all get fixed immediately, but there is progress every week, and sometimes more.
- StarManta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I would disagree about the "too much money and not enough sense" bit. That's certainly the case for XTorrent. But Newsfire is pretty, functional, and unique. Acquisition is the only decent "old-style" p2p program for os x.
XTorrent is just coming to a crowded party and bringing nothing to the table. - fastfourrier, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Either there's a market for the product, or there isn't. No one is going to force anyone to use Xtorrent; I suspect some complaints about its feature set and some of this hearsay 'my buddy knows a guy who knows a guy who runs this tracker and he said ..'. is motivated less by genuine concern for the potential of mac users getting ripped, and more by, um, total and outright envy.How many of the whiners are also Wii owners, I wonder- now *that* is a hobbled product trading on hype and credulity.
- mrsteveman1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The only real issue with linux on an intel mac is the lack of an IBM bios/MBR, you have to use a loader that supports EFI and GPT partitions, and elilo can do it, but as far as i know grub cant yet.
The linux kernel has been fairly good about supporting the hardware found in those macs. - Japhthor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Been using xtorrent for quite awhile. It's very pretty, and much better than any PC apps I'd used before (I'm a recent switcher). It regularly impressed PC users as soon as I opened the app.
I was nearly going to buy it, but these comments prompted me to at least research other Mac torrent clients. BitRocket looks like it has most of the same features that I'm used to with xtorrent -- but it's free. The nag prompt is very annoying in the new xtorrent... - hansning, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2inquisitor for camino please.
- Mephux, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I like it.. Xtorrent is very clean and productive. I used to use transmission but to be honest its just to ugly for me..
- Trat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Whooo! You go Prada girl!
- steelmaverick, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Can the InteMacs (my name for them) run x86 linux as well as they run windows? is it more complicated?
- PRocker267, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1because uTorrent is owned by bittorrent now, which is owned by the MPAA/RIAA, god only knows what they put in the program now. I've abandoned utorrent.
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