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- haikucommenter, on 10/12/2007, -22/+171plastic mac mini
microsoft windows xp
please do not melt thee - prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24Well... perception is easily influenced. If they're biased against Microsoft they could percieve a lot of things that aren't necessarily true. "Hey.. it seems louder!" "and hotter!" "and slower!"
You're talking about a demographic that describes every new OSX release as "snappier". - rockforever, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22Digg is tech news, this is tech news.
- lethalpotato, on 10/12/2007, -18/+29plus digg for the excellent haiku ^__^
- FredB7, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12"XP will NOT melt your MAC!"
It will just melt your soul. ;) - captaindan, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11Trust me on this: Nobody who has ever described an OS X update as "snappier" is capable of installing XP on their Mac. We're talking about the same people who actually believed that "zapping their PRAM" would fix anything. (Nowadays they reset their PMUs.)
- _skin_, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7>>>there is no need to submit this to digg. there are forums on mac sites, thats where this should be >>>posted.
Its been posted here to rebel to the other post called... Will XP melt you mac?
found here...
http://www.engadget.com/2006/03/20/will-xp-melt-your-mac/ - b4k4, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Submitting a new story was the most appropriate way to respond. The old story has already begun to sink to the bowels of digg.com so posting a new story is the best way to make sure that everyone who saw the old report can see the new report and are informed that the previous story was incorrect
- largobargo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10Is this FUD? Fire Uncertaintly and Doubt
- strcmp, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Make fun of whomever you want, but OS X has indeed become faster with each major release.
- zbeast, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7Yes installing windows XP on your mac wont melt it.
but it will do harm to your soul.
Just don't do it, for the children just don't do it. - Angostura, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Butter doesn't melt Macs. I've done tests.
- Yarnage, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8@captaindan
I work as a Mac Technician and let me tell you "zapping the PRAM" does fix problems. I can't tell you how many times a customer has not been able to burn or read discs and absolutely nothing will fix it but resetting the PRAM. Now, resetting openfirmware should do the trick as well but resetting the PRAM helps issues like that.
@strcmp
I have yet to use an OS X machine that actually feels quick. OS X always feels a little bit on the slow side and doesn't seem as responsive as Windows or most Linux distros feel. It just feels like the GUI is bringing the OS down and I've been using OS X for years. While I do like a lot of things about Macs, it's just not responsive enough for me. See for yourself, add a new tab in Safari when you have zero tabs. It takes a second or so to redraw it and it just seems sluggish. - CyberSmackdown, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I wouldn't be a fan either if XP was on my Mac
/runs - Wootery, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4"measurements indicate that maximum case temperatures under XP are no greater than under Mac OS X.", I guess they didn't notice that they aren't actually saying anything there, at all. If you run the CPU at full load, it won't matter what OS it's running, where XP runs hotter than OSX should be calculated by average temperature over a long time under normal usage.
- 0Troy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+121242 XP melts your mac!
1322 XP doesn't melt your mac!
634 Yes it does!
896 No it doesn't!
211 Does!
542 Doesn't!
122 Nuh-uh!
80 Yuh-huh!
21 I'm not listening anymore!
10 Me neither!
4 j00 aer teh suck!!!11
1 your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries! - Darthmalt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Here is an AMD basically exploding.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5393904704265757054&q=overclock+amd
Granted its done with overclocking but still cool nonetheless. - mikoslav, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6But Macs can melt butter!! Try it on an old 12" powerbook.
(Oh, and I'm sure several PC's could probably melt gold, too) - Sturmur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I think that increased CPU usage because of no drivers for the integrated graphics means hotter.
- biggiefrye45, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3lol heck yes love the haiku
- CanuckMakem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The fan on my Intel iMac is so friggin quiet you can't tell if its EVER on.
- dracula7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2im interested to know whether the slight hissing sound from the second cpu* goes away when booting xp... or, in other words, if its a software issue (because the isight related fixes are rather bizzare)
*the mbp makes less noise than any revision of the powerbook - Steerpike, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Wouldn't the computer just shut off if it got too hot? Every computer I've owned in the past 5 years has had this ability.
- oxymoron69, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2heh... maybe it's just apple making ***** up in a last ditch attempt to stop windows from infiltrating their *****... or to get people to install windows just to see what'll happen.
- sdfisher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2prockcore: I'm sad to say the whine is your hard drive. It will get steadily worse, and then one day -- possibly months from now -- you will wonder where your files are. And you will replace it with a new drive, and you will think to yourself "Oh, so that's what the whine was caused by! Too bad I didn't listen when someone tried to tell me earlier."
I'm not saying this to be a smartass. This is exactly what I did. I think it is simply inevitable that nobody ever believes this the first round. The only reason I'm posting this is so NEXT round you'll know. :) - TVarmy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree with it being perceptions. Audiophiles will believe a lot of crazy stuff ("This $150 optical cable sounds so much better than that cheap $9 one from the Rat Shack!"), and this is related to sound, so it's likely that it applies here.
But if people are going to keep arguing about this, let's run a real objective test. Set up a microphone next to the Mac, and never move either the mac or the mic. Boot into OSX, and run a stress test on the processor, so it's at 100%. Then, observe the DB produced. Redo it in XP, and compare. That should solve it once and for all. - Aleks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Running XP on a cheap arse box is a real computer? Give me a break!
- prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'd be interested in finding out about that too. The thing is, I own an old 12" ibook. I never noticed it before, but you can definitely hear a "whine" when its idling. I don't know if it was caused by upgrading to Tiger, or maybe it's just getting older, or maybe it has always sounded like that and I just never noticed it until people complained about the intel macs.
Again, that goes to my perception post above. As soon as you get it in your head that something might be wrong, even the most innocuous things are noticable. - abrooks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'll digg this for sure! What idiot believes that a modern computer is not capable of managing its own temperature with an OS present or not (By not I mean a non-standard OS).
- DannyB, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well, since you guys would like to "test your limits" by installing XP on a Mac (omfg!1), why dont' you further yourself and try to make a CPU fan mod so the fan is constantly on at full blast? Try making a mod to use a seperate fan? Liquid nitrogen?
- dclowd9901, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wow, Digg is all over the place these days. Macs melting, macs not melting.
- skatingrox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Lock up? I've seen one almost catch on fire.
http://www.tomshardware.com/2001/09/17/hot_spot/page4.html - PreppyFarmer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The link has changed in the wiki, correct link is now:
http://wiki.onmac.net/index.php/Users/Drivers - DyceFreak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2this is not news, this is a counter-digg from a stupid digg earlier...
- SoulMaster2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Depends on the motherboard, it could either start throttling the CPU or shut off when it reaches a certain temperature. Check in your BIOS.
- zoltan, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3sounds like a common macboy worry
- tekmaktenor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I'm not sure, I remember AMD's just used to lock up. Intel's would slow the clock speed (there was a video showing the rapid decline of quake III's framerate).
- sdfisher, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2mikoslav's right -- 12" PowerBooks can also be used to cook your own legs, should you be so inclined. But the feature seems to have been removed from 10.4.5 (or, to be fair, it's a slower cook).
- ChasWolf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just an FYI, that Google Video of the exploding AMD chip was faked.
1: Fan not secured on the thing.
2: An exploding core would NOT have enough power to blow a neat little hole in the table underneath that way.
3: Especially an UNBURNT neat little hole.
4: Take a look at the cables hanging off the boards attached to the motherboard. They're just hanging there, clearly unattached to anything. All the cables for the monitor are leading in the opposite direction off the table and out of frame.
5: Also, if the chip WAS going to blow, it isn't going to blow the whole PCB pin asssembly out of a locked-down socket. Nor fragment the PCB pin assembly.
6: Nor is it going to blow fire and smoke out from under the pin assembly.
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X - prockcore, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0sdfisher: you might be right.. this is actually the second harddrive this ibook has had. The first one died about 2 years ago. (Man is it a bitch to replace an ibook harddrive)
Lucky for me... I'm a web programmer... all of my work is on a netapp. All I ever need on a machine is a web browser and ssh. - jerrygofixit, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Will XP melt your mac? Sounds like a job for the MythBusters!!!
- mikoslav, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3And so is the stuff filling the gap between your ears, if all you do is make comments like that.
Anyway, several people bring up excellent points that a lot of the performance "evaluation" seems to be based on very biased observations. And I am guilty of this as well, as I always think that if I install some update the machine feels faster (which is definitely not always the case). I would personally like to see some benchmarks comparing a Mac running Windows with a similar PC (roughly same config). - Murdats, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0your refering to the old (very old) amd v pentium video done by toms hardware
anyways, yes they usually take preventative measures so they dont mealt/cause explosion killing all in the room, but it is very possible for it to be too hot for you before it gets to hot for it, in the case of the guy using his laptop on his lap had to be taken to hospital for burns to his genitals, while the computer didnt think it was too hot, im sure the guy had a diff opinion - ravenpen, on 10/12/2007, -20/+19Agreed, positive digg for the lovely haiku. :)
- matt.rubin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1i think i figured it out...
Windows thinks that the Mac mini is a notebook. It makes sense since the processor is a intel solo/duo that is a notebook processor. SO because windows whats to keep the notebook silent it doesn't use the fans till it needs to like every notebook on the market - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Hahaha so many windows/mac flame wars... Anyways as for the fan problem it could just be the computer environment as well as many other factors not related to the windows install. Just because windows is installed doesn't mean the computer has gone to hell. I'm a mac guy but support windows in regards to somethings. Its not that difficult to do!!!
jeff - jeffeh.com - xodex, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3But I hate children :o
- Dog_Paddle, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Your mother was a hampster and your father smelt of elderberries. Bitch.
Not speaking to aleks. -
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