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- dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"Death to the old-school BIOS." Famous last words.
I think that soon EFI will be uttered in the same breath as DRM. - master_of_fm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3thats funny, because gateway has been shipping pcs with EFI bioses for 2 years now
http://news.com.com/2100-1008-5131787.html - sneakerelph, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2man... computing is really going downhill. i hope this whole DRM thing will pass over and it will be known in computer history books as "The Big DRM Scare"
- conigs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Not to fuel the flame, but those of us that use our computers for more than gaming have plenty of options for software on the Mac (unless you're using CAD, then Mac support admittedly sucks).
- j.carcinogen, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2EFI does have a compatibility layer to allow support for legacy operating systems that, to a certain extent, rely on BIOS information. This means EFI has full compatibility with Windows XP and Linux among others.
- jpac, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1As Stated before. Apple and Microsoft have made this agreement. But..Vista Only anybody?
- tophfisher, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This may not be true, the Apple EFI is said to support BIOS emulation.
- mjar81, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1give the hackers 2 months. it'll run. and there'll be a .torrent file for it :)
- thecoleorton, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1and this is a bad because......
- dhughes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1thecoleorton "and this is a bad because......"
Well if you want to be led around by the nose and told what you can or can't do. Enjoy! - buckdog05, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hmmm, you can connect to the internet before booting the OS. Looks like EFI will be a big target for virus writers if it gains popularity.
- TheCheeta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1People with nothing better to do. People who haven't seen the sun since they hit puberty. People who would know a live woman if she came up and stuck her tongue in their ear.
- mattclare, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Next digg story:
"Millions of geek speculate wildly over hardware they won't see for a month" - juanfgs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"So, I assume the drive would be partitioned with the Apple Disk Utility. How exactly would you format the windows partition to accept XP/Vista or whatever os (what file system would you use)?"
With a LiveCD ? - Mond, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0from what i read it looks like windows vista isn't going to work either... since it's 64 bit?
- dre400, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0So the central issue centers on if Intel's EFI has a BIOS emulation mode to allow older OS's (like Windows XP) to boot. Windows Vista *will* support EFI natively, but it seems that EFI must allow for the installation of downlevel OS's, if not, new PC's would only be able to boot Windows Vista. Many shops will still be installing Windows 2000 on new PCs for years into the future, and therefore wouldn't buy EFI-only machines. Without a BIOS-emulation mode, I don't see the EFI technology ever taking off in corporate PCs...
- cwoolf34, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Whose the dumbass who got to the front page CONFIRMING that the Mactels would run XP?
I wonder how he tried this before the Mactels are even shipping? Just because Apple says they wont stop users from putting it on there, it doesn't mean it will work anyways. Just shows hoe stupid the majority of the digg community is for digging false claims.
CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE POSTING!!! - conigs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Somewhat off topic, but from the article:
"Anyone, including Apple, can purchase and re-sell Windows for use on their industry-standard hardware." --Microsoft spokesperson
Yeah, I don't see that happening any time soon. - Brutusfly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Excellent info about EFI, OF, and BIOS!!:
http://www.kernelthread.com/publications/firmware/ - Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If Linux can be installed on the thing, couldn't you just use LILO, GRUB or whatever to multi-boot Windows as well as OS X along with Linux?
- SenatorPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I care more about x86 Linux than Windows XP. I know Linux will work on it, because there exists Elilo, or the EFI Linux Boot Loader. If the Legacy BIOS thing doesn't come through.
- Jozer99, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Its only a matter of time before someone comes up with a bootloader that will boot Windows XP, and a bit more time before someone comes up with a bootloader that will trick OS X into running on Dells and such.
- Ziggy7273, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I love OSX, having windows on it would allow me to play WINDOWS GAMES, so stfu you narrow minded 14 y/o bitches
- jholdaway, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't think that Microsoft would fight to allow native installation of windows. I think that they would rather have it not. Microsoft owns the emulator brand VPC and would love MacIntel Duo's to be as incompatible with windows as the power version.
You know they are loving that their soon to be released x86 version of VPC will run windows directly on the processor. The only fear they have is if Windows can be booted without a Bios Emulating software package then there goes those of us not afraid to self install the OS.
Don't worry gometro33, No matter if it is native installation and boot or emulated install or boot your CAD and WinVista will run directly on the processor without a emulator to pass through. - Uriah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0WOW! Two contradicting stories, one after the other, which one is true!?!?
- gometro33, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Would XP be run natively or only through emulation? I'm looking to buy a Mac but need CAD and if I can dual boot to XP and OSX (XP running natively, not through crappy emulation) this would be huge.
I'm sure this will be hacked with in a month. Going to be very cool to watch the ensuing legal battle battle hackers, Microsoft, and Apple. - valis, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I don't get it. Are there people who care one way or the other?
- Obvioustroll, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Doesn't this mean that the reverse is also true? That "real" OS X won't run on machines that don't use EFI as their BIOS?
- StephnDolenc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0haha, true conigs
- banglogic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Digg for the introduction to the EFI standard.
Death to the old-school BIOS. - randylovin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1BIOS should have died a long time ago. You have MS to thank for its continuing existence.
- ayeaye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Why the hell would any Mac user WANT to run Winblows???"
Because they are not simple-minded Mac fanboys like you.
Windows & OSx on the same machine is great. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is like saying that a Chevy Geo engine will not run in a Corvette. You'll just have to stick with the V8 I'm afraid.
- anorris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"give the hackers 2 months. it'll run. and there'll be a .torrent file for it :)"
2 months? I say 2-3 weeks tops. - p3lEr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0hmmm.....
- 3Den, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why is this news?
Apple said they dont' care if it runs or not; they aren't going to do anything specifically to prevent it from running. They also aren't going to expend a penny to make sure it can, either. They are building a mac.
If it turns out that someone does up some tweak to get XP to install on it, Apple won't care. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Buying a Mac to run Windows is like buying a Ferrari and filling it up with regular to drive around town.
I can't even see how people run Linux on their Macs; I tried, but after not even a week I switched back to OS X. There's simply not a better operating system in current existance.
That being said, it's brand new hardware, with a brand new BIOS subsystem, why would you EXPECT a 5 year old operating system to run on it? (Windows XP came out in 2001). - WileE, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I'm sure it will boot xp with a bootstrap partition with a BIOS emulator installed on your HD. Linux uses bootstrap partitions to dual boot on a Mac. You use the bootstrap to "point" the computer to boot-able partitions other than what the Mac natively expects. Use it to point to a BIOS emulator and use that to point to XP, and you should be good to go. I currently run both OSX.4.5 and Ubuntu on my iMac G4. Oh, and to the question on how to format the HD for Windows to recognize the partition, OSX natively supports and partitions FAT32.
- Bytor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Why the hell would any Mac user WANT to run Winblows???"
It's not for Mac users, but for windows switchers like myself. I am not going to ditch all my old software and start with nothing on the Mac, have a dual boot makes for an easy transition.
What is so hard to grasp about that? - CanuckMakem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why the hell would any Mac user WANT to run Winblows???
- Bytor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Who the f*ck would want to run Windows an a perfectly good Mac any way? "
I think there is a large amount of us who would like to dual boot. Especially us Windows users making a transition. In fact if this doesn't get hacked nicely to work, it will change my plans about buying a Mac altogether. No dual boot, no mac.
On another note which stable hack do you think we will see first. Windows on a Mac, or official OSX on generic PC's? - paulmetzger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Who cares, I don't want dual boot, I want virutalization.
- DjOverEZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Enough of the car analogies please.
- Cronos1388, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Why would you want to run Windows on a Mac?
For games. Not everyone likes to play Warcraft all day. - williamrocks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Or you can learn to spell properly, and become a little more open-minded. :/
- Whatchamacallit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Look EFI is totally new and Apple is the first to ship with it! It will be shipping on PC laptops when Vista ships. I know this because if you look at the Vista features on Microsoft.com you can see a laptop that has an external screen that can display information like number of emails, etc. EFI is required for that sort of feature. Vista will most likely boot on MacBookPro but not WinXP without an update. Deal with it! Apple MacBookPro also ships with an ExpressPCI Slot and is probably another first. Wait a bit, you will see all this on PC's in the coming months.
- x2dx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If people want it we will make it work by any means nessesary.
- elroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would like to see windows booted in a mach thread, similar to the way you ran classic on earlier OS X releases. Why bother with booting into the system if all you need it for is to run a few programs? I'd much rather have them look like windows programs but run in the OS X window server, saving the effort of a reboot.
- applejackson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If your buying a Mac, why the ***** would you want that ***** on it? Who cares
- mastercheif, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0NOTE: WINDOWS 64 BIT EDDITION RUNS ON EFI!!!
BUT THOSE ***** IDIOTS AT INTEL MADE YONAH 32BIT! -
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