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- inactive, on 08/26/2008, -5/+38iPhone?? Is that a phone for your eye or something? Sounds futuristic... maybe it's some kind of virtual reality thing.
- inactive, on 08/26/2008, -2/+24I bet Verizon is kicking themselves for not taking Apple's offer to have the iPhone on their network...
- MacParrot, on 08/25/2008, -1/+20If this is true, then most (but certainly not all) of the problem seems related to the 3G carriers. For those that can't be bothered to actually READ the article, in a controlled environment, the 3G iPhone performed about as well as any other 3G phone. Certainly Apple will need to tweak the phone to make sure it doesn't give up on 3G too quickly (part of what was addressed in the 2.02 update), but it's beginning to sound like the problem is mostly the carriers that Apple has chosen.
YES, maybe Apple should have chosen other carriers, but that's no longer anything anyone can do something about until the contracts are up. - inactive, on 08/25/2008, -2/+20Some Swedish engineers tested the iPhone 3G and they said the antenna on it was just fine. It's more than likely a software glitch or driver problem, plus the immaturity of AT&T's network in the United States.
tp://www.gp.se/gp/jsp/Crosslink.jsp?d=444&a=440573&ref=puff - cazlar, on 08/25/2008, -0/+17Seems to be very carrier based. The Sydney results show Optus at around 300-400, while Telstra are 10x that at 3000-4000. Shame Telstra has such high data costs...
- bigdoof, on 08/26/2008, -1/+13Apple approached Verizon first, before they decided between CDMA and GSM for the US market.
- inactive, on 08/25/2008, -1/+11why is this any different for the iphone than any other phone?
- pixelsoup, on 08/26/2008, -1/+10That's because TEXAS is bigger than you are, son.
- HookmasterCH47, on 08/26/2008, -1/+10So... when you add a whole bunch (millions) of wireless devices that utilize a networking technology that is not mature from a carrier known for their weak services we're going to have problems? Did we really need a study for this?
- BIGJHUB, on 08/26/2008, -1/+9freakin texas...TEXAS gets better coverage than i do.
- lsumed, on 08/26/2008, -0/+7I've been saying this all alone, while being buried in post after post. I live in Louisiana. I have great reception. I have full bars the majority of the time. The only bugs I find are in 3rd party apps.
- ibone, on 08/26/2008, -1/+7I guess AT&T's network is the problem considering my 3g HTC mobile is lightning fast compared to my iPhone 3g.
The problem is the iPhone. Gimme a break. - PhillyMJS, on 08/26/2008, -1/+7Verizon had their chance, but they balked at the degree of control Apple wanted.
- JHB800, on 08/26/2008, -1/+7You're an idiot. Apple approached Verizon first, when the specs of the phone (the hardware) was not even finalized. They were prepared to make a CDMA EV-DO iPhone, but Verizon did not like the control that Apple wanted to exert over both the phone and the revenue.
When Verizon rebuffed the offer, Apple went to AT&T. - arjie, on 08/26/2008, -0/+5Ha ha, that's funny. You know what's better? They sell it here in India for Rs. 31000 ($710) and we don't even have 3G. Ha ha ha.
- brundlefly76, on 08/26/2008, -1/+6The sample set is far too small, there are no 'control group' handsets/carriers to compare to, and that map display is a lousy visualization of the data.
That said, my iphone reception sucks. - inactive, on 08/26/2008, -0/+4Wired iPhones?
Who needs 3G? - dvsbastard, on 08/26/2008, -0/+4That speed test alone probably cost you $100 in data transfer...
- gluecode, on 08/26/2008, -1/+5Thanks. You are right. I found the news regarding that at: http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2007-01-28-veriz ...
- Dumbledorito, on 08/26/2008, -3/+7...sucks, too.
- gluecode, on 08/26/2008, -4/+8I have a personal iPhone 3G as well as a work Treo 750 (with 3G) on the AT&T network. The Treo data performance is excellent compared to the iPhone 3G. I am not sure if I buy the argument that the problem is solely the network and not the iPhone.
- wheresaldo, on 08/26/2008, -1/+5If you live in a 3G area, but getting very little 3G, just call AT&T at 611 from your iPhone and request a credit for $30 in your bill. Now, if they tell you that you need to set your iPhone to 2G, then request a $10 recurrent monthly until the fix the problem. So far, AT&T has gave me $90 of credit and monthly $10.
You'll have to be in the phone for awhile with AT&T, be firm and persistant, stay focus... "you are paying for 3G, but getting very little or none of it"... ask to speak with a manager if necessary. - FunkyWitDaSysTm, on 08/26/2008, -0/+4try turning airplane mode on and off
- Bhatch514, on 08/26/2008, -0/+4I have no issues in Canada in Montreal or Toronto, everywhere the 3g coverage says i get perfect signal and connectivity.
- Wilddigi, on 08/26/2008, -2/+6Because the iPhone is more popular and getting more media attention
- housewarmer, on 08/26/2008, -0/+4Just because your local coverage is crap doesn't have anything to to do with 3G being fake. In fact, I'd think that this very article should have provided enough evidence to the contrary.
- samcrut, on 08/26/2008, -0/+3Somebody needs to make an app that does a little speed test and logs the GPS location. That would allow the creation of a real-time map of network quality. I'm thinking it should test every hour if plugged in, every 6 hours if on battery.
- etruscan, on 08/26/2008, -0/+3I think that would depend strictly on how strong the coverage is in your area. In Ontario the coverage is going to vary a lot. In Toronto, the coverage is pretty good. I'm not sure the same could be said about, say, Cobourg or Midland. Rogers has a big job ahead of them shoring up their 3G network and making sure it's water-tight. I can imagine that AT&T is, to extend the analogy, in the same boat.
- werries, on 08/26/2008, -0/+3i dont understand. the companies job is to provide cell phone services. Why the hell should they even bother controlling the software on the phone? I understand the whole, because they can. And I also see a potential for the simplicity of switching phones within the network when all the software is the same. ( I have a verizon phone, Motorola Z3)
But why not let the manufacturers do the work and make great software specifically tailored to the features of the phone? (or open source =D ) The software originally for my phone was even based on linux - ferrell, on 08/26/2008, -0/+3iNetwork Test does exactly this...
iTunes page: http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/ ...
website: http://www.inetworktest.com - orlyfactor, on 08/26/2008, -0/+3The network is very immature. It was calling me a sissy the other day...
- jbella, on 08/26/2008, -0/+3Are you in New York City or some rural area of New York State?
If you are in New York City and rarely get 3G.. then I would take the phone back and get a replacement.
People seem to want to blame either the phone OR the network. But in reality I'm certain that a certain portion of the poor service problem is because of the network and another portion is due to defective hardware / buggy software or some confluence of both these things. Unfortunately this stuff is complicated, and there are no magic fixes that will make everyone happy. - Laminarcissus, on 08/26/2008, -1/+4I don't understand how this has any relevance. They asked only *iPhone* users to log their data performance. Shouldn't they be collecting data across all handsets and then comparing iPhone performance to all others?
I, for example, have an AT&T Tilt in New York City and my 3G runs like crazy all the time. I've never even seen Edge Is it faster than an iPhone under similar circumstances or is it truly the network? Wired hasn't shed any light on that at all. - Raian, on 08/26/2008, -0/+3I also have to add (being from Canada) I have never seen the phone switch to edge once, and never had a problem with reception.
- etruscan, on 08/26/2008, -0/+3Well, in Canada, Apple didn't have a choice. Rogers and Fido are the only two GSM carriers here... and in actual fact, Fido is owned by Rogers. Though the article claims that Rogers/Fido are tied for second place in regards to speed (which makes sense given they are the same) above AT&T, both are new to the 3G game. Rogers has openly stated they are having difficulties with their 3G network... though I haven't personally experienced any dropped calls or call quality problems.
...however, push email is still touch and go with my Exchange server when the iPhone goes to sleep. I'm not sure I should be attributing that to the 3G network or to the iPhone yet. Perhaps I'll know more in September with 2.1. - rkzda, on 08/26/2008, -1/+4I'm curious as to why people are digging down this guys personal experience?
- ilovdigg, on 08/25/2008, -5/+8it's not a problem with the iphone ,it's with the networks!!
- Tenoq, on 08/26/2008, -0/+3+1, Melbourne Australia. :p
- wheresaldo, on 08/26/2008, -1/+4If you live in a 3G area, but getting very little 3G, just call AT&T at 611 from your iPhone and request a credit for $30 in your bill. Now, if they tell you that you need to set your iPhone to 2G, then request a $10 recurrent monthly until the fix the problem. So far, AT&T has gave me $90 of credit and monthly $10.
You'll have to be in the phone for awhile with AT&T, be firm and persistant, stay focus... "you are paying for 3G, but getting very little or none of it"... ask to speak with a manager if necessary. - BiggestAl, on 08/26/2008, -0/+3what lack of coverage? who are you with?
I'm with Telstra and I have been out to whoop whoop and back and always had at least 2 to 3 bars in the worst places... - osu761, on 08/26/2008, -0/+2You'd rather do it yourself?
- aussieNickuss, on 08/26/2008, -0/+2I reckon those average Australian speeds a bought down to such a pathetic level because most of the participants are using Optus. Had most Aussie participants been on Telstra, than I think we'd have one of the highest.
- Raian, on 08/26/2008, -0/+2I am in Toronto, which I am sure has great coverage. In the US they are experiencing a different issue-- and I believe it is a poorly designed network that has reached it's capacity. It's people within the large cities that are experiencing 3g dropouts and other problems-- and most people are blaming Apple and the iPhone... and I am just saying, where I live-- I haven't seen a single problem.
- DanielQ, on 08/26/2008, -0/+2I got the iPhone. Then went to college. Turns out the service here is very, very poor. No reception half the time.
If I decide to cancel will I still have to pay the fee, since it's their fault I have no service? - Zippo, on 08/26/2008, -0/+2Hilarious that Rogers came in 2nd.
- redstorm986, on 08/26/2008, -0/+2did you test this in the same period as you were using your iphone? The reason there is a problem right now is saturation and stress on the network from what I'm gathering due to an influx of 3G devices.
- bradleyland, on 08/26/2008, -0/+2Maybe you get buried because you represent a single point of data, which is pretty much worthless. I'm a single point of data as well, and I have a problem. Want to hear about it?
I have a 1st gen iPhone. When I'm downtown in this small-ish city (no buildings over 5 stories anywhere) I live in, I don't get voicemail, despite the fact that I have full signal. If I drive 20 minutes north or south, my voicemail comes in fine. I've called ATT countless times to complain. I even talked to a tower technician directly. He rectified the problem once, but it re-manifests itself repeatedly. I've resorted to the virtual equivalent of driving to the post office to pick up my mail. It's ridiculous, but ATT doesn't seem to care. - aussieNickuss, on 08/26/2008, -0/+2Well I got my first Optus bill yesterday. Out of my $49 cap ($300 talk/tx & 250MB data) I used $45 of talk/txt and 30MB of data. With those figures...it would have actually been cheaper for me to stay with Telstra. I could have gone on a Telstra $30/month plan and tacked on a 150MB data pack for an extra $10. With Telstra, I would have just had the upfront handset purchase price rather than an extra $47/month I have with Optus (over and above the plan price). My low data usage is mainly because I am rarely ever in an area with Optus 3G coverage, but even with full Next-G coverage, I don't reckon I'd come near 150MB/month.
Lucky I only went on a 12 month plan. - themho, on 08/26/2008, -0/+2agreed, no dropped calls so far
- proghead, on 08/26/2008, -1/+3...'s dick
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