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Windows Expert Jumps Ship, Switches to Mac

computerworld.com — Scott Finnie, Computerworld's Windows expert, has given the final verdict to Windows after 3 months of using a Mac. And the verdict is: "Sayonara." Finnie is known to readers here for his many reviews of Vista as it progressed to release.

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  • rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -62/+45Many so-called Windows experts are jumping ship. These stories should make it to the front page, at least of the Apple section.
    • Hilton, on 10/12/2007, -79/+31Yeah! Most of the software geeks know that Mac is better Than Windows!
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -42/+186From the article: "If you give the Mac three months, as I did, you won't go back either."

      The problem is, most of those with a strong anti-Apple bias haven't spent three HOURS in OS X, let alone three months. It's nice to see the ignorance starting to crumble, particularly among the traditionally Apple-averse enterprise computing press.

      I say choose (note the word "choose") the OS that best fits your needs, but the computing world would be a better place if the masses would learn about the alternatives before blindly deciding to continue with the status quo (Windows).
    • broomett, on 10/12/2007, -96/+47Like who?

      Many people switch from Macs to PCs too you ***** idiots.

      It is just when you are taking customers from insignificant companies like apple is in the computer business, it is not a big deal.
    • metalhead3767, on 10/12/2007, -102/+65I'll never buy a mac because I don't feel like spending twice as much for my hardware and I do more with my computer then "video and music editing."
    • dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -33/+124I can spend 300 hours with a Mac and it isn't going to help with my application / game compatibility issues - Which is unfortunate seeing as Mac OS X is a great OS.
    • jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -20/+96Amen! I am in totally in agreement. Log some hours on different operating systems, then form your opinion. I used to be a die hard windows guy, built my own machines, built them for friends. After spending a great deal of time with Solaris and seeing how rock solid unix is compared to windows in a server environment. Then experiencing the elegant Mac OS it was just a no brainer for me to switch. Granted I haven't switched entirely, I still have a winxp box, but it hardly ever gets used, open an Access file now and then, test css on IE, the ocassional game, and thats about it. Now that Apple is on Intel and with virtualization, I do not plan on replacing the XP box when it expires.

      After you've spent considerable time with OSX and still remain a die hard windows user, then by all means let us know what we're missing. I think that's the difference in Mac users, most of us have had to use Windows. Seriously, I don't know a Mac user that hasn't spent alot of time in windows. Unless you have experience on both systems you have a big zero in the credibility department as far as I'm concerned.
    • kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -24/+40Yep, if you gave me DirectX and the opportunity to install it on my own hardware(w/o being illegal) and I'm there, all the way, until then sorry gaming is too important.
    • flag564, on 10/12/2007, -61/+93Oh who cares.

      Nothing is more annoying than some drama queen writing about their switching stories.

      Oh, I switched to Mac.

      Oh, I'm jumping to Linux.

      Im going to Windows.

      BeOS, here I come!


      WHO CARES! What's worse is that some dunderhead piggybacks on the story as some golden proof that (insert OS here) is the best thing on Earth because one person needed to tell the whole darn world.
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -33/+21"I can spend 300 hours with a Mac and it isn't going to help with my application / game compatibility issues - Which is unfortunate seeing as Mac OS X is a great OS."

      Then run them in Windows via bootcamp. When are people going to get that through their thick skulls. You can run it all on a Mac if you really want to.
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -42/+13"WHO CARES!"

      This applies to 99.9% of your posts, Flag.
    • metalhead3767, on 10/12/2007, -36/+23@ DaffyDuck

      Then what would be the point of paying twice as much for hardware if I was just going to use windows.
    • flag564, on 10/12/2007, -39/+16"This applies to 99.9% of your posts, Flag."

      And 120% of yours, duck.
    • RyAnderson, on 10/12/2007, -32/+41I switched 4 years ago and have spent over 10K on hardware and pro software. Worth every penny.
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -15/+37First, it's not twice as much and second, why not run both? If you could buy a PS3 that could run both PS3 games and XBox 360 games would you?
    • Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -14/+21Flag, I think whatever computer you're using to figure percentages might need some work.
    • PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -19/+35People complaining 'bout these posts...

      Show me some stories of prominent Mac peeps switching to Windows.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -12/+13The author makes a good point about one software deficiency in OS X: good screen capture software. SnapzPro sucks rocks compared to SnagIt on Windows features-wise, and Ambrosia appears uninterested in making SnapzPro any better. I'm surprised no one has stepped in to fill the void.

      TechSmith has an online survey soliciting interest in a Mac version of SnagIt. If you ever do screen captures on the Mac, I suggest you take a minute to respond.

      http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.asp?u=493032743512
    • EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -27/+64"The problem is, most of those with a strong anti-Apple bias haven't spent three HOURS in OS X, let alone three months. It's nice to see the ignorance starting to crumble, particularly among the traditionally Apple-averse enterprise computing press."

      Ever stop to think that it is rather hard to try OSX?

      What should I do, go out and buy an entire new system so I can *try* OSX? ***** that!
    • gcnaddict, on 10/12/2007, -19/+11"If you could buy a PS3 that could run both PS3 games and XBox 360 games would you?"

      If it was an XBOX 360 which could play PS3 and 360 games, sure.

      Oh wait, it already does.
    • dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -33/+14@DaffyDuck
      "Then run them in Windows via bootcamp. When are people going to get that through their thick skulls. You can run it all on a Mac if you really want to."

      When Mac zealots get through their thick skulls that doing so creates unnecessary overheads, as opposed to running applications on their native OS.
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -5/+40"running applications on their native OS."

      That's what bootcamp does. It's essentially dual booting. Run Windows natively or OS X natively.
    • joshpar, on 10/12/2007, -9/+8With Bootcamp, it IS the native OS. No overhead, you are running WIndows.
      EDIT: nevermind - already said
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17Mythos,
      That's fine, it's not for everyone. The iMac and Mini are not easily upgradable. That's a given due to their form factors. The Mac pro is easily upgradable though.
    • wolferz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+36I've not spent more than maybe a dozen hours or so on mac, and that time was enough to make me want to own one. With the new Intel Mac's ability to boot windows, I would still have access to my games and other windows-only software when I wanted. If I could toss linux on it too it would be total nirvana for me.

      I don't hate windows or ms and frankly over all I still rank windows above linux for a desktop os. However, the attention to detail in OS X is in your face apparent. Not only does everything work, it works well. Different parts work well together and compliment each other. Things that are less simple than they should be on windows or linux are blindingly so on OS X. It has the simplicity and easy of use linux lacks, and the cleanness and efficiency windows lacks.

      Bleh... I fear I have the beginnings of a mac fanboy in me... I only had a limited amount of time and I'm sure there are flaws or at the very least things I don't or wont like about OS X. As of yet I've not seen any, so I cant help but sing its praises. Any one got a mac they can donate? I'll take anything above a G4... :D

      My only problem with OS X is that for some things I may still be dependent on windows. I can think of a few softwares I commonly use that are only available on windows and linux. For interoperability reasons I cant easily replace these programs with alternatives. Of course then there's the whole situation with gaming. I would still be dependent on Windows to a degree.

      Any way, feel free to begin hating on me for my windows is better than linux comment.

      [edit] grrr... i didn't want this to be in a reply, but oh well, i'll leave it here because reposting is worse imho.
    • dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@DaffyDuck
      "That's what bootcamp does. It's essentially dual booting. Run Windows natively or OS X natively."

      My bad. I wasn't aware that Bootcamp was a dual boot set up.

      However, dual boot setups (such as boot camp) are hardly the same thing as running Windows applications on a Mac (i.e. using software such as parallels under Mac OS X).

      Fair enough dual booting will allow you to run Windows applications without any processing overheads... However you are directly booting into windows XP, and have no access to your Mac OS functions. So what is the purpose of having a Mac if users such as myself would be constantly booting into XP (as applications I use on a daily basis will run only under Windows).

      I already have a dual boot setup with Linux, which I don't use often enough...
    • PhillyMJS, on 10/12/2007, -9/+11@EXreaction:
      "What should I do, go out and buy an entire new system so I can *try* OSX? ***** that!"

      If you want a long-term test drive, then yeah. A Mac mini costs $600 new, and if you decide you don't like it after a couple months you can put it on eBay and recoup most of your investment if you keep the system and packaging complete and in good condition. If a brand new mini is too rich for your blood, then buy a refurb from Apple or used one on eBay for less.
    • virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6"What should I do, go out and buy an entire new system so I can *try* OSX? ***** that!"

      I hate to fuel the fire and junk, but that is an invalid argument. You could always goto an Apple store, even play with it for 1 month straight! (Considering you have a food supply and sleep between the iMacs in NYC) Or if there isn't an Apple store near you, goto COMP-USA or Micro-Center, they both have Macs on display. If you really wanted to try it out, you'd find a way, and these ways are really simple. I wanted to try Solaris out, so I called my friend and used his computer for an hour, it's not that hard anymore to test OS's...
    • cecil_t, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6> "among the traditionally Apple-averse enterprise computing press"

      @Quix - what? Since when is the computer press industry Apple-averse?
    • wolferz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@dvsbastard

      The point, to me, would be that you wouldn't need windows but for a few things. Obviously that depends on the specific user. If all you really use your computer for is playing the latest games and occasionally browsing the web or some similar circumstance, then yeh, theres no point for you.

      For most people like me though, that actually only play games occasionally and for whom our most commonly used programs have perfectly usable OS X alternatives, we would only be booting into windows on occasion. It's still a bit of a chore, which as I stated is my main complaint. As you state when i go into windows ill be in windows not osx, and all the things I love about osx will essentially be gone. Exactly how annoying that will be will depend realy on how much time it takes me to switch os's.

      I had linux dual boot as well for a long time but I never used linux much specifically because I found myself having to wade through bs when I decided to do something that i hadn't already waded through bs to get working. Thanx to the package systems found on newer distros of linux its not so bad. Still, depending on what your doing you may still find yourself fighting with dependencies and editing archaic .conf files. Getting smb file sharing working under linux was straight up hell the first time. On windows its a simple matter of 4-5 clicks. Os X is easier than windows, not the other way around. While I've never been defeated by any task I've attempted to preform under any os, I still prefer if the OS I'm using doesn't put up a fight in the first place.
    • darthsuo, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6I love Macs/OSX/Apple, sure, but doesn't Bootcamp sort of negate the whole idea of getting a Mac? If you have to dual boot two OSes to ensure compatibility, wouldn't it be easier just to use a Windows? Of course, that isn't a problem for most Mac users, but for gamers . . . .

      Also, you can't build a Mac, which is a big minus for me.
    • Szandor, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"@Quix - what? Since when is the computer press industry Apple-averse?"

      I think he was referring to the *enterprise* computer press.
    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What application/game compatibility issues? Parallels and Bootcamp. The newer VMWare beta supposedly lets you play games at native speed under virtualization...

      Just like we all used to user 3270 terminal emulators for a while until large scale mainframe used passed away (there are still some dedicated uses for mainframes, just as there will always be some for Windows).
    • TheReport, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"The hardest part is paying for it -- everything after that gets easier and easier"

      That probably has to be the most dead on argument I've heard thus far.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Vista: You are finally seeing the light. Cancel or allow?
      PC: Allow !!
    • Zaphod2016, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@quix re: screenshots

      I use the "screenshot plus" widget on OSX and love it. Save to desktop as png, auto-import to iPhoto, drag-and-drop cropping. 100% free. Link: http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/business/screenshotplus.html

      The F-12 "widgets screen" is one of the greatest features ever developed. I can't recommend it enough.
    • MiddleOfNowhere, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10Sigh.

      People discuss the Windows-vs.-Mac issue as if they spent the whole day using the Finder or the Explorer. I mean, come on, guys: An operating system has to be stable and look decent. But what really counts is the *applications* sitting on top of it.

      I switched from the Mac to the PC twelve years ago because there were more and more things I could not do on the Mac, and the situation is still the same. I even have a Mac Mini, which I occasionally use to play around with Comic Life and admire the sheer beauty and simplicity of the OS - but I have to earn a living. And for this, I need PC *applications*, not Windows itself.

      Before you start telling me that "everything" is available for the Mac - here is a list.

      - FrameMaker - must-have desktop publishing environment for technical authors.

      - Wordfast - Translation Memory environment. It runs on the Mac, but not too fast and not too reliably, as I have heard.

      - AutoHotkey - Swiss Knife of Windows system automation. I am a keyboard-only guy, and re-programming all those macros in whatever environment (QuickKeys?) would cost endless hours.

      - Dozens of software synthesizers for the VST music production environment: These are all done by small developers who cannot support two platforms. Hey, I’m just saying.

      - Nokia PC Suite - I need to easily sync my phone and Outlook (yes; the 800 pound gorilla of PIMs).

      ... and admittedly - lots of games.

      And finally: I am paying for my software. Buying everything again after a decade on the PC would cost me an arm and a leg.

      I think the Mac is a beautiful machine. But a Ferrari is a beautiful machine, too. If I have to go down a certain road (music production, writing technical documents), the Ferrari might simply not be the weapon of choice.
    • rageguy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6No amount of time spent using Macintosh's has offset or mitigated the problems I have had with them. If the author of this article thinks all you need to do is spend time on it I'm afraid he is sadly mistaken. Macs have major problems just like every other computer and OS. Some deal with it, some do not run into them, others like me avoid it.

      I have spent years with Mac OS X. It does not replace the functionality of Windows and in all honesty I spend most of my productive hours in Linux and most of my recreational hours in Windows.

      The thing that annoys me about Mac OS X is its so incredibly messy, .AppleDB, .AppleDouble, ._Report.doc, .DS_Store in every single directory of the file system. This is particularly bad when I do web development on Mac OS X, I'm working with a friend who has Windows/Linux and a thumb drive, they spend several days getting something clean and nice programmed up and hand it over to me to check over, I plug in the thumb drive, look over all the directories and think its very nice, I then hand to drive back to my friend and what does he find? Every single file has a duplicate ._File.ext made along with all the useless .DS_Store .Apple* stuff, disgruntled by this he has to spend 20 minutes just going through clearing all the cruft out of what was once a nice tidy layout. Clean up your act Apple!

      But thats not the biggest turn off with Macs for me, the single biggest turn off with Mac OS machines is the lack of right click, its bad enough I already have to emulate middle click, for the love of god I do not want to emulate right click as well. Now I know all you fan boys are going to tell me "Oh!, you don't need it!/You can use two finger tapping", I'm sorry, I actually use my systems in multiple environments and not Macintosh dream land. I need right click to be productive in other operating systems and hackery solutions such as external mouses, ctrl-clicking and two finger tapping just drive me insane.

      Third and final thing that has really put me off Apple is their support, I've worked in an Apple support shop, the policies are horrible, most machines needed to be shipped off to a regional head office to be repaired even for minor problems, turn around times were usually measured in weeks, dismantling the things to replace logic boards or LCDs required pulling everything apart with around 40 screws. Most other companies are nice enough to have on-site pickup and two hour turn-arounds for minor problems or even on-site service if you get their extended care packages.

      Please Apple! You make wonderful machines, FIX THESE PROBLEMS!

      Ultimately I tri-boot, Debian GNU/Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows XP on an x86 PC laptop. I get the best of all three worlds with quality support, right click and I can restart and use a clean operating system when I plug a friends thumb drive in with a website he spent weeks working on without fear of reprisal.
    • joel8x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I can spend 300 hours with a Mac and it isn't going to help with my application / game compatibility issues - Which is unfortunate seeing as Mac OS X is a great OS."

      With Boot Camp or Parallels, you are ensured compatibility until the market share of Macs makes it profitable for developers to write their apps and games natively for OS X. The Intel switch will go down as the best move Apple has made for their computers since the Mac was introduced because of this.
    • fifty50, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I see a lot of you saying "who would buy a Mac just to install Windows on it?"

      Well, I worked in an Apple Store for the last couple of years and the day after Boot Camp was announced about 80% of the Macs we were selling were requested to have Windows pre-installed on them. This also came with a sales spike from traditional Mac users (without Windows pre-installed). So it was evident to us (and hopefully obvious to thousands of others) that Windows users were in fact buying themselves a Mac with Windows on it simply because it "looks cool" or "because I can". Months later, these customers would return to us and say how much they loved their Mac with Windows on it, but then started asking us questions about Mac OS X and said they were too scared to even try it, so we showed them a few demos on the in-store computers and some were impressed enough to even buy some OS X applications straight away to take home.

      So you see, there are people who buy Macs just to install Windows on them. Some of those people even try OS X and eventually make the transition, but some just simply buy the Mac for it's looks.
    • rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Gamers don't use Macs!

      http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/01/10

      Er... PC gamers don't use Macs! (and that's fine by me)
  • searchbuffet, on 10/12/2007, -25/+24I jumped ship and went swimming about 8 years ago. Thank god they didn't wrestle me back with a life preserver. I love my Mac. the best darn decision I ever made.
  • cruffenach, on 10/12/2007, -19/+12See, this is the kind of stuff the Apple world of computing needs. Not Apple Fan Boys, who people seem to be able to recognize and hat immidiately, but someone who got as deeply involved in Windows as almost anyone has, and then asked them self the question, why is this su ***** hard? I love Apple, my goal is to get more people to love Apple, because it is easy to love, it is not the case that I want Windows to go under, I just want it to have to create a better architecture, more stability, more uniformality.

    The real important part of this article is that this guy is hard core into computers. And I think another stigma mac fan boys get is that they just want things to work and be pretty and not do anything to intense. But Mac OS X has an unbelievable amount of preloaded API's as well as a complete developer enviornment included with it. I mean if you really want to get into computers that is a must and with xCode 3.0 and Interface Builder 3.0 coming out, the developer enviornments that everyone uses is available to the common user, and actually useable. AND YOU CAN EVEN RUN WINDOWS IN PARALLEL IF YOU WANT.

    This is the first of man. Believe me.
    • broomett, on 10/12/2007, -15/+7You have a SAD, sad, goal in life. Seriously...How the ***** does it affect you that others are able to get EVERYTHING they need out of a cheaper Windows PC while you are too stupid to know how to use Windows without getting into trouble?

      You wonder why you have no friends? Maybe that is because you hound them about switching their computer. What a sad life you lead.
    • Zaphod2016, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@broomett

      Speaking as a former A+ and (expired) MCSE tech, I agree 100% that Windows is TOO HARD!

      Can I configure windows? Inside and out. Can I fix the glitches and errors? Sure, viva Google. Can I download and install the needed patches? Sure can. Can I go track down the drivers I need? Yes again. Can I use anti-spyware systems, keep an eye on my registry, kill ugly processes, and configure a tight and solid firewall? Of course.

      But after spending 12 hours doing that, when am I supposed to get my work done?

      OS X is far, faaaaar from perfect. But since switching from Windows, my productivity has skyrocketed. Sure, OS X features (like the F12 dashboard) help, but the biggest change is turning it on and working- it works! It just works.

      After clearing spyware crap out of my XP box for the 20th time, it was simply a tedious chore. Sure, I *could* do it a 21st time, but why? That's time I could be spending on Digg- or actually working.
  • Rice, on 10/12/2007, -14/+51An 'expert' switched? Who cares!?

    I switched and other people will switch! A computer is just a tool, people. Don't brag about your tools.
    • bizzarry, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2That's what she said?
    • eatasandwich, on 10/12/2007, -20/+7A screwdriver is good for hammering nails in a pinch, Mac users are the ones unscrewing something with a hammer.
    • justinlarsen, on 10/12/2007, -8/+7you're a tool
    • GeneralAntilles, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Only if it's an Estwing!
    • nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5@eatasandwhich:

      Actually the statement goes like:
      If all you got is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail.

      Also known as being narrow minded.

      The reason some people don't treat a computer as a tool is because their computer *represents them*. Seriously. Think about it. Compare this to the Ford vs. Chevy guys. they take many things too personal and don't realize it for what it is -- a tool to get you places.

      Computers are the same, albeit more complex in technical abilities.
    • eatasandwich, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Jeez. It was a joke. I couldn't care less either way. Maybe I should have prefaced my comment with a disclaimer.
      Honestly. Why DO people argue about this stuff? (other than when responding to bad jokes). Why on earth does it matter to one person what computer another person is using?
    • ArchonSG, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Precisely!
      A computer is just a tool and anyone who thinks that one is "better" then any one just because its made by one particular company or run a certain OS is kidding himself.
      I have been a Mac Owner for years and I really do not see the fuss about it, actually I see more downsides to owning a Mac then with a PC.
      My current mac is now primarily used by my kids. I don't even touch it anymore.
      I have a linux box that's running my gateway firewall, and my primary machine is a windows PC just because I game.

      Those of you who keep spouting junk about how bootcamp can run windows on a Mac and thus can play "windows" games, don't seem to understand that its not just the OS and I don't care much about playing Minesweeper.
      I don't want anemic half arsed performance when I am playing my games caused by the Mac's lock on hardware which is why PC games and gamers alike will stay with Windows for a long time to come.
      Take the locks off, make upgrading and customising the mac as cheap, with as many choices and as viable (drivers made available) as the window's PC, and then we'll talk about the mac as a "windows" compatible platform.
  • knodi, on 10/12/2007, -35/+48He's not a expert if he can't use windows.
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -19/+14So in your twisted reality, not liking something equates to not being able to use it?
    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14He can use Windows. In fact most Mac users (since we have to use Windows at work) can use and are quite proficient with Windows.

      Can you use a Mac? How many YEARS have you used a Mac? Because most of us Mac users have used Windows for years and years, and know what that's about.

      Think about that - almost every single Mac user you ever scoff at has about as much Windows experience as yourself under the belt, and then on top of that a vast sum of OS X expereince as well.
    • TanNg, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Yep, see the list of applications that he use regulary and you know that he is noob.
  • kevin45, on 10/12/2007, -21/+35Uh, it doesn't take much to be a Windows 'expert', sadly.

    Just because one guy uses a Mac, everyone else should too?

    I'm tired of seeing this Windows/OSX ***** on the frontpage all the time. To me, it doesn't matter, Mac's will never have the software I need and use everyday. I don't care about dual boot or parallel this that... ***** it. Either run it, or don't.
    • moose09876, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6*****. 95% of everyone who uses windows has no idea of it's capabilities. When people bring me their 4 yr. old macbooks, They don't even know where their programs are. COME ON!!!!!!!!!
    • jeff303, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Just out of curiosity, what software do you need, and how do you know that OS X will NEVER have it?
    • NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5"Uh, it doesn't take much to be a Windows 'expert', sadly."

      Oh, yes it does, and that's a big part of the problem.

      Windows is absurdly complex, and people who've taken the time to climb that "power user" learning curve assume that they'll have to go through the same slog if they switch to anything else. It's rather like C++ programmers who refuse to try out other languates.

      -jcr

    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1"Uh, it doesn't take much to be a Windows 'expert', sadly."

      I'll go the other way and agree with this statement.

      That's why I use a Mac, an operating system with some depth to it and a far greater flexibility to change the real innards instead of just skinning.
    • OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Windows will never have the software I need to run. you're right. it's an individual sort of thing.

      but to be fair a lot of people don't realize that Macs can replace a Windows box in most homes. But what does the average home user do? browse the web, do their taxes and download porn?

      The hurdle for most people going from Windows to Mac is to learn all the little gadgets and utilities they need on their Mac that provide functionality equivalent to the gadgets they are used to on Windows. The basic hot keys and UI concepts are the same, so it's not really a dramatic shift. it's easier than learning a new keyboard layout.
    • osiris24x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Mac's will never have the software I need and use everyday."

      ...I don't know where you got your mighty 8-ball, but can I have one? You clearly know the precise future of the computing industry.
  • Chaotyk, on 10/12/2007, -10/+34In other news, Anakin Skywalker turned to the dark side...
  • moose09876, on 10/12/2007, -42/+34Well, obviously he had major brain damage. Mac sucks. Name one thing that mac has that pc's can't do for less money, and faster.
    • SavageOwnage, on 10/12/2007, -15/+5Bury.

      Thanks.
    • moose09876, on 10/12/2007, -33/+8WHO ELSE HATES APPLE AND THEIR FAGGOTY ASSHOLES THAT THEY CALL CUSTOMERS??????
    • Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -9/+201. Logic Pro 7.
    • kolywater, on 10/12/2007, -13/+10seriously, why is moose being modded up? his comments make no contribution to the discussion.
    • moose09876, on 10/12/2007, -15/+4Neither did yours that was complaining about me.
    • justinlarsen, on 10/12/2007, -11/+82. Run Windows
    • krispyrob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Final Cut Pro... better than avid, cheaper than avid, faster than avid.
    • moose09876, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3Ok, if that's true, that's 1 reason. How many of the consumerist bastards, that throw money at fads use that?
    • selectodude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Adium X

      Edit: moose: FCP is gaining ground in the pro-space like fire in a dry forest. Logic is what all the music is made with. That and Pro Tools, also a Mac app.

      Don't be a dick.
    • moose09876, on 10/12/2007, -20/+3I'm not being a dick. I'm just saying that the MAJORITY of Mac users are dumbasses that think they're cute and popular, and thats why they buy them. And, Macs are inferior machines. How hot do they run?..... Exactly.
    • cecil_t, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Apparently everybody above misunderstood your statement of "name one THING mac can do that Windows can't" and interpreted it as "name one SOFTWARE PACKAGE mac can run that Windows can't". NLE is a thing, FCP is a software package. Oh well.
    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@cecil_t:

      Aperture.

      If you want to name something OS X can do out of the box that Windows can't, how about iLife? Windows has built some equivilents but they are a ways off yet.

      What about run X11 applications, or a Bash shell? OS X can do that too.

      What about serve web pages? OS X comes with Apache. And PHP. And soon Ruby on Rails.

      What about transfer all your user data and applications from your old computer via firewire, as part of setup?

      Run iTunes (you have to download that for Windows)

      Develop software (all macs ship with development tools os disc)

      You get the idea. Well, actualy, you don't - but there you go.
    • ez12a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"I'm not being a dick. I'm just saying that the MAJORITY of Mac users are dumbasses that think they're cute and popular, and thats why they buy them. And, Macs are inferior machines. How hot do they run?..... Exactly."

      ignorance is bliss, eh Moose? The "majority"--generalizing, now are we? I've built my own Windows box back in middle school. Bought my first mac last year (college) and I'm not looking back. Inferior? hardly. I have friends that are also making the switch after spending their whole lives as Windows users. A macbook pro is similar in price to a similar spec-ed XPS Dell laptop (12"), give or take 100 dollars, not to mention its 1" thin...versus the 3" thick 12" XPS Dell.

    • stuma9000, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Be fun to use.
    • rosshettel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Hmm... just one thing?

      Work?
  • Radiofuck, on 10/12/2007, -33/+26I think all this gay Apple lover commitee is getting out of hand. everytime I read apple,all the fan boys come out to defend. irritated yes, but can anyone tell me why this idiota is switching, he doesnt give reasons, just that he's switching. Yeah he's hes switching to homosexuality, He's getting paid by apple duh dumb *****'s
    • hasbeen, on 10/12/2007, -14/+8Well said.
    • drlha, on 10/12/2007, -7/+6Its a ***** sad statement on the idiotic anti-apple people on digg that crap like the parent post by "*****" has been dugg up and not put into oblivion. I'm seriously considering blocking Apple stories on Digg because the comments pages are always full of complete idiots and decent comments get dugg down.
    • defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7What's even more annoying than big-headed newbie Apple fans (we were all one at one point in time, you know it) are the Anti-Apple kids. Letting the world know that you are "fed up" with things that make it to the front page isn't going to do anything. I'd say a large percentage of Digg users are mac users (including me) and calling us "gay" or "apple *****" and accusing us of all being snooty think-were-better-than-the-rest children isn't exactly gonna shut us up.

      When someone switches to Macs, they go through a brief phase in their life where they come to realize that they though they don't have to put up with Windows anymore and feel the need to proclaim the Word of Steve. They then feel the need to try and switch others and to try their profound discovery. Soon the Apple high wears down and order is restored. It something you really cannot understand unless you switch yourself, which is why I am URGING you to switch to a mac now and save yourself from th... no. NO. MUST RESIST. CONTINUE WITH YOUR WINDOWS PLZ. >_
    • ez12a, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1RTFA?
    • ez12a, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1sorry, edit period over: "I think all this gay Apple lover commitee is getting out of hand. everytime I read apple,all the fan boys come out to defend. irritated yes, but can anyone tell me why this idiota is switching, he doesnt give reasons, just that he's switching. Yeah he's hes switching to homosexuality, He's getting paid by apple duh dumb *****'s"

      Its cause Windows fan boys hear every time that a prominent windows user switches, they come and comment and call him an "idiota". I always notice digg posts like these get a tremendous amount of comments in a short period of time.

    • firsttube, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2wow you're a ***** moron. i don't name call, but golly.
  • Cowtastic, on 10/12/2007, -16/+18Yeah, this type of thing tends to happen if your IQ is..... hmm how do I put it...... slightly below room temperature.
  • 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -12/+14Meh, some people just aren't independent enough to use something that doesn't have a flock of sheeple using it also.
    • kevin45, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6Yeah, like a Mac, right?
    • moose09876, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3***** right. Sheep. I've said that for a long freakin time. And, he's soooo ***** smug.

      http://mikesuslesspage.blogspot.com/
    • phatvolvo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6"sheeple"

      ahh, I see what you did there... that's clever.
    • kazaru, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@7of7
      Which is the flock of sheeple the mac users or the windows users? It's ever so hard to tell.
    • ez12a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4So what does that make a Windows user? I mean...pretty much everyone uses it right?
    • defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So I should make my own OS?

      Hey mom, stop watching TV! Only SHEEPLE do that! Go and invent your own form of entertainment... and call it "FFOifhe335!" It's not cool to do or use things that other people are doing too!
  • fr0stb1t3, on 10/12/2007, -10/+42I work as a salesman at CompUSA and many of my customers come in asking about the mac, I spend 15 minutes showing them features and telling them how it will benefit them, and they all buy. I have a switch ratio of like 3 out of 10. 3 in ever 10 customers I get I talk into purchasing a mac, and most come back saying thanks and buying accessories etc. I feel pretty happy when I make these switches because I feel the customer will actually be pleased by the results.

    But people must also understand windows machines DO have their place, and Apple isn't going to be sweeping the desktop market anytime soon. So enjoy your fav. machine, whether it's Mac OS, Windows, Linux, or maybe all three.
    • Radiofuck, on 10/12/2007, -26/+8Well thanks for your sales pitch Jerk!.... Anyway people use what they think they need and if some comp USA dot shows a pretty machine, chances are people will buy. why you say? because we like shiny *****.
    • techpimp, on 10/12/2007, -21/+7How do you sleep at night?
    • broomett, on 10/12/2007, -14/+5Sure you do.
  • moronpatrol, on 10/12/2007, -15/+2all the windows newb duma$$ess are heading to mac. there goes that platform. Look at this guy he gets paid to write an article about screen shot program and wysiwig editors as an expert...give me a break...really these mags are crap, anyone buying them needs to step outside
  • sryb, on 10/12/2007, -23/+24gaming on windows > gaming on OSX

    'nuff said
    • Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -17/+41professional career on OS X > gaming on Windows.

      'Nuff said.
    • AnteChronos, on 10/12/2007, -20/+11professional career on Linux > professional career on OS X

      'Nuff said.
    • jeff303, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Professional career that doesn't depend on particular OS = priceless

      'Nuff said
    • firsttube, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8professional career in OS X & gaming in Windows, all on the same machine:

      priceless!
    • stevecole, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1play > work

      Period.
  • franksmith, on 10/12/2007, -17/+13Hmmmm...

    There have been just as many people that have switched from Mac to PC... I wonder why that is never mentioned on places like Digg or Gizmodo???

    ROFL, I heart laughing at fanboys
    • zongamin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Because it never happens you lying *****.
  • ericmcgovern, on 10/12/2007, -10/+15Good for him...now we should all send him a giant cookie that says "who gives a *****" on it.
  • theamazingboo, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9Wow a lot of angst in this thread.

    Calm down people, jesus. He switched what kind of computer he wants to use, who cares. I sure don't. If it takes a bunch of websites and articles with people "switching" or all of this other ***** to change your mind than you're nothing but a sheep. However I see a lot of sheep here from both sides. Stop bashing macs merely for being macs and actually try USING them. You'll realize they're pretty damn good. Stop windows users for merely being windows users. Most people don't want to spend 1000+ just for an OS you feel is "better".

    Basically, stop letting your computer control you. Think for yourself.
    • techpimp, on 10/12/2007, -19/+3Tried them, it was a horrible experience. I even had to go a semester for graphic design using one everyday. Just because you fail at using a decent operating system that doesn't mean you have to switch everybody you can to "simpleness." Macs are simple, for simple minded people.
    • kevin45, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4What Windows OS is $1000? Is that Canadian money?
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35"Macs are simple, for simple minded people."

      Again, not only Mac users are smug or condescending.
  • Benzoid, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20I use both Windows and Mac at work. Both suck. Computers in general suck. But we need them. I'm just plain tired of machines telling me to do things. They should just do what I want and shut up about it.

    Apple assumes you're an idiot and makes things look good just for the sake of looking good. Windows assumes you know a little bit about computers (which isn't true with 90% of the world's computer users) Diggers are in the 10% mostly I'm sure. Linux is good but then you have to be in the top 5% to get anything working that isn't standard in Ubuntu or Linspire. They all suck in some ways and are good in other ways. No reason to fight about it, is there?

    How many times do you get called by someone saying " I have a little computer question about my Mac/PC/Linux/VCR ? " They all suck!

    Use what works for you.

    • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6That was actually quite well reasoned.

      The main problem with computers is that they do *exactly* what you tell them to do. They do not do things that they are not told to do. The reason Linux users tend to have so much success with Linux is that Linux is an OS written by developers for developers (not to mention every single app that's available for Linux). Developers *know how* to tell computers what to do to a much greater degree than the average user.

      MacOS is designed more for the non technical end user. And that's fine; you shouldn't have to know how to change your oil in order to drive a car (but it helps; I digress).

      Windows is kind of in between. The end result of that is that it frustrates the techies because it's not malleable enough and pisses off the n00bs because it's too technical. They've come a long way with it, though. It's yet to be seen whether it's far enough.

      Now, if [insert your favorite flavor of] Linux wants to gain some market share, it's going to have to move towards the n00bs. Embrace the n00bs. I know it hurts; do it. Ubuntu and Kubuntu have done this some. They have a long way to go.
    • Leviathan777, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4*****.

      I've got my family and my employer all converted to Mac. Why? Because they don't need to ask me stupid questions any more. They like being independent of me, and I like it too.

      If there's one reason Windows really, really, really sucks, it's the constant assumption that it knows what you want to do better than you do.

      Mac puts a better interface on it. Suck, it, PCtards.

      If you want to criticize macs for anything legitimate, the problem is a ***** attitude towards 3rd party solutions, which means less options for working around whatever it doesn't do for you. On the flipside, it's more likely to do what you need without 3rd party jury-rigging.

      And for the record, I'm a FreeBSD user. Because if it doesn't do what I want, it's because it's difficult to do correctly, and never because someone finds it convenient to ***** me over for financial gain.
    • dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@Nougat
      "The main problem with computers is that they do *exactly* what you tell them to do. They do not do things that they are not told to do."

      Problem?! Are you crazy! That is a damn good thing!

      Imagine a computer popping up a message such as "I don't feel like it today, I have a headache. You don't respect me. Why can't we just cuddle?"

      *Shudders*
    • bleutuna, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Uh...my computer does what I tell it to do. Opens what I want to open. Closes what I want to close. And does what I want it to do in that specified piece of software.

      Maybe you're not very smart? I dunno.
    • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@dvsbastard:

      Haaaa. I concur. What I intended to get across is that if you don't tell the computer exactly what it should do, it's not going to do what you want. Meaning that if you inadvertantly give it incomplete or incorrect instructions, the output will not be what you expected. Blame the computer for this? Blame the operator.

      Now, the simpler a system is, the fewer commands it will respond to, the less skilled the operator needs to be. A single bit (light switch) is the simplest: on or off. Extending that analogy, one might consider that the more configurable a computer is, the more likely the operator is to give it incomplete or incorrect instructions. From my post above, that would mean that Linux is most configurable, followed by Windows, and Mac comes in as least configurable of the three. Generally speaking and completely speculative, of course.
    • Sefirosu, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Um, I'm sorry but an OS that asks or nag every fscking second about "having your computer unprotected" (yeah yeah for Christ sake I know and I don't care... I won't click on the shiny thing on your MS sponsored porn site nor run "erectilesuperpowers.exe" attached to an email I received from someone I don't even know) or "allow this/allow that" (because the damn OS is not secure enough at first) is NOT an OS that considers it's users "intelligent". Most sane users I know, not all computer literates, will all disable these annoyances and won't be "protected", like using a leaking condom that is...

      And that's what irritates me, and many others, from the most recent Windows releases. XP was bad, Vista is worse. There should be better ways to achieve that "protection" from users without annoying most people. I really hope that Linux and OSX will do better with their efforts, because you know... it IS somewhat unavoidable.

      Currently OSX and Linux does not annoy with any of these and as long as Windows assumes it's users are dumbasses that need to be protected from themselves, Windows should remain into walls only.

      But by all means, use what you like/need.
    • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Seiferosu

      Actually, considering that the default out of box config for a Windows install is that the Administratator password is blank and the created user account is also a local admin (also with a blank password), Windows presumes its users are intelligent enough not to do that *****. It's the less intelligent users who have been clamoring to be protected from themselves (and blaming Microsoft for it), and they have the money. An intelligent user loves the default Windows install; you can do anything you like with it. But all users want a system that they can do anything they like with *and* never fails even when it's operated unsafely. That's like blaming GM for driving your Buick into a guardrail. As long as the system operates as it was designed to operate, the maker is not at fault.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3"I use both Windows and Mac at work. Both suck. Computers in general suck. But we need them. I'm just plain tired of machines telling me to do things. They should just do what I want and shut up about it.

      Apple assumes you're an idiot and makes things look good just for the sake of looking good. Windows assumes you know a little bit about computers (which isn't true with 90% of the world's computer users) Diggers are in the 10% mostly I'm sure. Linux is good but then you have to be in the top 5% to get anything working that isn't standard in Ubuntu or Linspire. They all suck in some ways and are good in other ways. No reason to fight about it, is there?

      How many times do you get called by someone saying " I have a little computer question about my Mac/PC/Linux/VCR ? " They all suck!"

      I think you're confusing computers with hookers.
    • TanNg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Is he a Windows expert? Definitely not, he is the Windows NOOB. Dont believe me? See his list of applications

      * Microsoft Office 2004
      * Eudora (I don't recommend Eudora generally on the Mac)
      * Spamnix for Eudora
      * Mozilla Firefox
      * Parallels Desktop
      * Bare Bones Software's BBEdit or TextWrangler
      * Coriolis Systems' iPartition
      * Microsoft Remote Desktop Client
      * Shirt Pocket's SuperDuper
      * SmithMicro's StuffIt Expander
      * Yummy Software's Yummy FTP
      * GlobalScape's CuteFTP Mac Pro
      * Adobe Reader
      * DoubleCommand (keyboard-customizing utility)
      * Apple .Mac
      * Software Garden's ListGarden
      * Titanium Software's OnyX (OS X system tweaking utility)
      * ClamXav virus scanner (I may not be using it much longer)
      * IBM's Lotus Notes

      It's funny that a noob like him get paid for writing reviews. Hi hi, dropping windows, but still need parallel to run it.
  • rockchops, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6It takes a big man to admit his mistakes. Kudos.
  • theamazingboo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4@kevin45: I wasn't saying windows was 1000+, I was saying macs were.

    It's possible to admit both have faults..you know.
  • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -14/+25For those of you who didn't RTFA, or just read page one of TFA, here's a summary:

    Page 1: "Oh after three months, I'm switching to the Mac from Windows. But I'm still running Windows in Parallels, because I still need it for some things." (read: The Mac doesn't do everything I need it to do.)

    Page 2: "I really need a good screenshot program for the Mac, and not just a keyboard shortcut to do printscreens. But there isn't one. If there was, here's what I'd want it to do." (read: The Mac doesn't do everything I need it to do.)

    Page 3: "I really like the HTML editor I use in Windows, and Dreamweaver is a great substitute, but it's too expensive, so I use the Windows app running in Parallels." (read: The Mac doesn't do everything I need it to do.)

    Page 3-4: "Migrating my email was a big pain in the ass."

    Page 4-5: "The web browsers available for OSX fall short of those available for Windows." (read: The Mac doesn't do everything I need it to do.)

    I have to wonder why someone would choose to switch away from a platform that has done everything they needed it to do, and onto a platform that doesn't. Maybe it's that smug satisfaction you get from being a Mac user. Not sure what he's got to be satisfied about though; he basically complained about the switch the whole time.
    • Rekutyn, on 10/12/2007, -13/+41: Describe "some things", if trouble shooting for your brain-dead friends on their ***** windows problems is "some things" then, yes, you will need to install parallels. I installed parallels and ran it long enough to install Windows 2003 for this very reason. I haven't booted that virtual machine since first shutting it down.

      2: I'm not sure how that's it not doing something he wants it to do. Frankly, I would rather have a keyboard shortcut than some memory consuming program that likely does it in a worse fashion than the one built into the OS.

      3: Again, how is that not doing something he wants it to do??

      4: That's how it is no matter what OS you're on unless you're fortunate enough to have your e-mail hosted on an IMAP server.

      5: Fall short?? Safari kicks IE in every regard and Firefox is equal to its windoze counterpart. If all else fails, there's still Camino.

      Looks like someone is trying to find their excuses in the gaps.
      Digg parent down :P
    • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@Rekutyn:

      I wasn't inserting my own opinions in there, really. If you'd have read the article, you'd see that those complaints were all his - not mine. I'm sure that *you* and *I* might be satisfied with what the Mac could do for *us* - he's not. And he says so on every page.
    • tateswayz91, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'm not a fanboy but:

      1. If mac's can run parallels then doesn't that mean it does have what he needs?

      2. There's this great thing called "Grab..."

      3. How many browsers (besides IE) are there for Windows that aren't available on the Mac?

      Edit: Erg nevermind-pretty much got beat to it.
    • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@tateswayz91

      1. He still needs to own a license for Windows XP, still depends on Windows XP. If the Mac did everything he needed, he wouldn't need another OS, would he?

      2. I don't know what you're referring to with "Grab," because I'm not a Mac user, but I'm going to presume you're talking about the screenshot thing. RTFA: He wants an app that does specific things. I don't know why. I wouldn't use a screenshot app, I would just screenshot with the keyboard (on either system) and crop the image as I need to in a simple image editor. But I'm not him, and I'm not insisting that he do it my way. He has every right to want it his way.

      3. Again, RTFA. He talks about the various browsers that are available for Mac, and how they all fall short of his liking in some way. I gather he uses Firefox on Windows - he talks about how FF for Mac is not as good.

      These are all *his opinions,* not mine. The point I was trying to make with my original comment is that if, in his own opinion, the Mac he's switching to is not as satisfactory as the OS he's switched from (even if that's a TRS80) -- then why switch?
    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Yes, and the fact that he switched means Windows doesn't do everything he needs it to either...

      No operating system is perfect. You seem to think in order for someone to like one OS more than another, it has to be.

      The mere fact that he switched indictaes it is more satisfactory than the one he is leaving, even if there are some lingering needs he would like to see filled.
    • bleutuna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Actually, I didn't read ANYWHERE in the article where he talked about Windows not doing everything he needs it to do. But I did read that he uses Windows a HELLUVA lot for someone who 'switched.'
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2"But I did read that he uses Windows a HELLUVA lot for someone who 'switched.'"

      Yeah, and so what if he does? He switched to a Mac, not he switched to OS X. The MacBook Pro is actually a nice machine to use. He uses Windows some and OS X some. I do that too and I find the experience to be better than using only Windows on my desktop machine (that I built for the record).
  • coheedcollapse, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Well that's silly. I've spent more than three months on a mac every day at school (and my family owned one when I lived back home) and I still prefer Windows/Linux.

    I think it all depends on the person. I don't know why people care what OS everyone uses. They all have their high/low points.
  • mtaclof, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10I just have one question that I want someone to construct a response to.
    Do you really consider OSX to be so superior to windows that you'll resign yourself to pre-configured, overpriced, assembly-line machines? I'll be the first to admit that I don't have enough experience with OSX to declare a winner in the showdown with windows. In spite of that, I can't imagine any operating system being such a step up that I'd pay significantly more money for less hardware, AND give up the option of choosing every single part in your machine.
    • avalys, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Yes, I do. Macs are not significantly overpriced - maybe by $200 or so at the most - and I think the premium is worth it for the ease of use, consistency, and stability. I used to build computers and run Windows and Linux - eventually, my life got busier, and I no longer had enough time to treat my computer as a hobby - hunting down device drivers, dealing with package dependency problems in Gentoo, reformatting Windows every two years because it started crapping out. So I bought a Mac, and never looked back.

      I don't care about choosing every part in my computers - just like I don't care about choosing every part in my washing machine, watch, printer, or electric drill. And it's not like you have a much of a choice in choosing the parts of PC laptops, either.

      I'm a computer science student at MIT, by the way - which is why I laughed when I saw someone else's comment that Macs are "simple computer for simple-minded people." Fully half the computers in the CS department here are Macs - and they run OS X, not Linux.
    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Absolutley. I used to work on Solaris workstations. Then I moved to Linux for a while, then to Windows at home for several years. But I moved to the Mac about five years ago (for home use), and even if there were a price difference for the features you get (which there is really not anymore, or it is very slight) the OS is worth it.

      I continue to use XP daily at work but I would scrap it if I could. There is actually a pretty strong undercurrent of users that would rather bring in thier own macs to do croperate work rather that use the company supplied computers...
  • Levich, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9The gamers are right - till the mac can be as much of a game machine as a pc - there is a huge issue for many - as for people switching - all I can say is I married a windows woman, and she is growing mighty frustrated with the way thing work on my computer vs hers... maybe Vista will solve that - but mac is a viable and powerful computer in its own right - especially if you aren't into gaming...
    • Daveymcgav, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Two words: Boot Camp :-).
    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Boot Camp is an excellent path for games, and VMWare supposedly is playing games at native speed with a beta version of that virtualization software.

      If that was not enough there's also Codeweavers who have a Wine based solution to play some games on the Mac more directly (an approach I would prefer since you don't have the overhead of a whole OS).

      Just make sure you buy a Mac with a video card instead of the integrated graphics,
  • Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22I bought a Mac Pro last Sunday. I bought a MacBook Pro last night.

    Life is good. :-)
    • ltbarcly, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Who just got a new credit card?
    • undersky, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4macpro??? holy cow... what do u do?
    • DannySpace, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Well then, I hope your cookies are turned on because you deserve one.
    • Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What do I do....?

      Let's just say that by April 6, I'll be certified in Logic Pro 7, Final Cut Pro HD & Pro Tools.

      Oh, I've had this credit card for five years.
  • Bytor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9Biggest barrier is lack of decent Apple hardware. It is either underpowered (mini) or overpriced (Pro). There is no decent midrange Mac that can use a decent vid card. It just doesn't exist.

    Macs are fine for writing docs or web surfing, but that is about it. Make some decent mid range HW and I will have a serious look.
    • Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9If OSX could be installed on anything, then Mac sales would plummet.
    • Bytor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I never suggested installing OSX on everything. I understand why they don't do that.

      But since they don't there is in my estimation an obligation to build a decent mid range machine. Who know how many sales they lose for selling expensive underpowered boxes. A mini might be fine for email/web surfing but so is a set top box.

      I would by a mac if they built something better than the mini with a changeable graphics card. Of course it can't be $2000 either.
  • undersky, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20DID YOU GUYS READ THE ARTICLE?
    DID THE SUBMITTER READ THE FULL ARTICLE?

    EXCEPT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH....he didn't say anything good about MAC!
    In fact, all he wrote on every single page was how difficult it was to switch. I have NO CLUE from that article WHY DID HE CHOOSE TO SWITCH!
    I clicked on the article fully anticipating to learn about why Mac is better than Vista, but he didn't tell me ANYTHING, but several very very in-depth analysis of screen shot capture program (WTF??), Eudora transfer (WHY DO I CARE??), Browser comparison (in which he said he can't find a good one on Mac, WTF??)...
    this is weird.
    • undersky, on 10/12/2007, -8/+10wow i am getting dugg down by Steve Jobs' Army!

      I must preserver my comment before it's buried...don't digg me down if you can't dispute what i said! if u can dispute what i say, then comment on it!

      EXCEPT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH....he didn't say anything good about MAC!
      In fact, all he wrote on every single page was how difficult it was to switch. I have NO CLUE from that article WHY DID HE CHOOSE TO SWITCH!
      I clicked on the article fully anticipating to learn about why Mac is better than Vista, but he didn't tell me ANYTHING, but several very very in-depth analysis of screen shot capture program (WTF??), Eudora transfer (WHY DO I CARE??), Browser comparison (in which he said he can't find a good one on Mac, WTF??)...
      this is weird.
    • bleutuna, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5I agree. I couldn't figure out why he switched or why I'm supposed to want to switch. Who the hell cares about screen capture programs (ALT+PrtScrn for teh win!) or EUDORA! EUDORA, HAHAHAHA!
    • nazadus, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@undersky:

      It's considered rude to say don't dig me down unless you're going to refute my comments.
      I dugg lots of people up and down throughout this thread and I don't have time to respond to every single one of them.
      I dugg your first comment up and your second comment down.
    • MonkeyMCSE, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1i dugg you down because apparently the article doesn't appeal to you(basically all your who cares and WTF), but it appealed enough to leave a comment about it. I don't even use OSX and found your comment annoying, hence the digg down.
  • CloseYetFar, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Funny, It looks like slashdot beat digg to this article. I think this is a first. Digg title is the same too.
  • afreakinninja, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Hahaha mac users.
  • brutalentropy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Wow, gotta love how all the pro-apple comments in this thread are dugg down, while ones that make no coherent arguments ("LOL max are teh suxors, he is getting paid by apple *****!") get dugg up.

    I have a mac and a PC, they both have their positives and negatives. It's just a computer, stop getting your panties in a wad, it's really much ado about nothing.

    Go ahead, digg me down since I didn't sing the praises of XP/Vista.
  • theredbomb, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4If he's using both Windows and OSX on the same computer, he's really not saying "good-bye to Windows." He's really just saying "good-bye to computer-assembly companies and third-party hardware vendors." But that's not as easy to say I guess...
  • CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I like how the most problems/annoyances stated by reviewers of Vista can be solved with Google + 15 minutes of your time. Also after reading his whole switch 3 part story all I can say is that this guy is just tired of Microsoft and Windows. And I can totally understand that. I can also understand the people who prefer Mac OSX because "it just works." Well I have fun making windows work for me. Even though that requires me working on Windows. I still think that one day I will have more reasons to switch to Mac. But as for now, I have many more reasons to stay in Windows world.
    • superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I have fun working on my Mac, instead of having fun trying to make my Mac work.

      I used to love tinkering in Linux, but after a while you want to move beyond just fiddling with the OS to things like developing other applications or doing other work.
  • masterofNone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13damn. the last thing i want is for the mac to increase it's marketshare. the more marketshare, the more dumbasses apple has to cater to. i love that microsoft caters to all the dumbasses and lets us get our work done.

    please. please. don't switch.
    • CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Very smart comment.

      Unless you explain how I am a dumbass having spent $800 on a Dual Core machine with a video card for gaming, and Adobe Suites + 3D applications.
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"explain how I am a dumbass"

      For thinking how much money spent on a computer equates to intelligence.
  • turbojugendgr, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Ok get ready people to understand this. Most of the great hackers that can use MS Paint and have the magical abilities of being able to copy a crack to its game folder, know better than you. You know why ? Cause they are more. As I keep saying flies are more than humans, they just eat our ***** though...

    Finally people there are so many game consoles out there, buy one and save yourself, use Linux or MacOS freeBSD, or whatever else you may think of (I like distros more than cats, but anyway :)) on your computer, just save yourself and the world of that gates/windows/doors etc crap MS is letting you copy, make an honest thought, would you ever pay for it? the cracked norton you use? that "rented" zonealarm firewall ?. Get real, I haven't heard any of you pathetic windoz fanboys saying how you acquire your games.. oh yes it is called piracy, I wonder have you really understood the concept of a personal computer... it is to do everyday stuff right, not letting people game cheaply.... Nintendo is a company that will help you on that, wii costs pretty much as vista.... and is gonna let you play virus and piracy free...

    Why am I wasting my time nah, if a man is so stubborn trying to prove himself right without knowing what his other choices are, he is never gonna change... Go on use that crap and the day will come when you can't stand it anymore, then you 'll try to find a way to get your life back... nobody did.-

    For those that feel brave enough to face their faults and deal with them: www.distrowatch.com and for those that prefer the "safety" of commercial products www.apple.com. I know I did, I feel good with myself for this choice you may do so too ;), of course you can burry me for telling the annoying truth you wanna bury.
    • Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Which language translation site did you use? I want to make sure i never use it myself. If you're a native english speaker, then i'm sorry...for anyone who has to deal with you.
  • eyreka, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12It's funny how defensive Windows users seem to be, actually exactly what they accuse Mac users of. I just know that I'm glad to get away from work and go home to a system that (most of the time) is a pleasure to use.
  • garbs, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2When will people learn that it's all about personal preference. Use whatever OS gets your work done. Or in the case that you don't actually work, whatever gets your play done.
  • Buckeye70, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I use both and will continue to use both. Just built a new PC from parts from newegg for $1500. Core 2 2.13, 2 gb ram, DirectX 10 video card NVIDIA 8800 (640 mb Ram) Where is a similarly equipped MAC for that price? There is nothing from Apple that can touch that price/performance. Now if I could install OS X on it and VISTA, Apple would get serious market penetration.
  • chrisutley, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Somebody needs to clue these PC weenies in to the fact that the overwhelming majority of people DON'T want to build their PC. I'm an expert user of OS X and Linux, and I've never been happier than I am with my 24" iMac. I pulled it out of the box, and more or less everything I wanted was already right there in front of me. Build a PC ... pffffft ... nothing more exciting than cutting your hand on some ugly PC case with neon all over it, or fishing a screw out of some recessed location after you drop it in there. Not to mention building really isn't worth it these days, if you are patient you can find Dell deals that beat the pants off of the price/quality/time involved in building one yourself.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Agreed. I've built my own PCs and they've been great deals dollar-wise, but my iMac is ultra-quiet, takes up no space on my desk, and lets me run both OS X and Windows (which, surprisingly, I never end up doing even after I dumped my PC). My PC was a noisy, hulking beast with an operating system that made me hate my life. I've not mourned its absence for a single moment. (Sadly, I still hate my life during the day because I'm forced to use Windows at work).

      Building my own machines to save money just isn't worth it to me anymore. And running Windows just isn't worth it to me anymore. My iMac was worth every penny I spent on it. As was my new MacBook.
    • Chicken, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I'm guessing you don't like the feeling of accomplishment after building a PC?
    • Markie1006, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6> I'm guessing you don't like the feeling of accomplishment after building a PC?

      Yea, that's fun the first 10 or so times you do it.

      Then you realise you just can't be arsed any more, and have better & more fun things to do with your time.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"I bet you don't read or write either"

      You're right, graveyard, I'm not writing right now. And obviously you're not much at reading. Aren't you late for a LAN party or something?

      Enjoy your ignorance.
    • Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I like the "feeling of accomplishment" of producing a No. 1 hit on a Mac.
  • directive0, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!

    I couldn't have said it any better then "Theamazingboo" but I can't help it I need to write this.

    Wouldn't it be great if people cared more about important things then what person was using which platform? Does some person you've never met using a system you're either

    A) rabidly devoted to, to the point of making sure everyone knows what your OS of choice is even when not asked. Ignoring any and all deficiencies and cons inherit to the platform simply to define yourself.
    or
    B) furiously opposed to, hating every single supporter and user of said platform. Making sure that everyone knows just how much you dislike it even when not asked simply to define yourself.

    really matter that much to you? What the hell are you all so goddamn afraid of? Are you worried if more people start using Mac's that you'll somehow loose this wonderful gaming and development community devoted to the PC? Conversely, are you worried that people don't know about the Mac platform, and should therefore be preached to from up on high from the book of Jobs? Hogwash.

    Its like these youtube videos I see of people ranting and raving about how lame whichever platform is. I see it from both sides. These videos often make me wonder if these people had ever even heard of simple things like "the taskmanager" or the "dock" or "reading a ***** manual". It seems like I could compile a solid book of ailments each system have that I have NEVER encountered. If you are a competent user, either system will be more then adequate, why fight over phantom inabilities?

    I can understand some people feeling Mac users are arrogant or elitist, or how they control Digg front page listings. And the Mac users complain how the Windows users berate and assail them with untruths and criticisms. Well... what really is your solution to this problem? Putting comments on this page trashing each other? Its nothing more then ridiculous bi-partisan rhetoric that makes federal government look like an efficient means of social change and severly reduces the quality of this website!

    You know why there's so many Windows/Mac fanatics and extremists voicing their opinions on the Internet? Cause the moderates have ***** to do!!!! They don't care about these petty trivial things, the majority of them only care that it works for them as a computer. And get this; BOTH PLATFORMS WORK EXCEPTIONALLY WELL! I don't doubt for one second that most of the people commenting in here are either extremely computer literate, or failing that experts in their fields of practice or study. But for such a well informed and learned group of people, you mostly sound like a classroom of 3rd graders.
  • nephilimx, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2How can he be a computer expert without training in other systems such as mac and linux?
  • 3zero3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"For example, I'm big on putting bookmarks in the form of Web icons on the desktop. Firefox doesn't preserve the titlebar text on Web site desktop icons."

    WTF? Who the hell stores their browser bookmarks on their desktop!?
    • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1The guy who wrote the article apparently does.
    • Onetrack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1"WTF? Who the hell stores their browser bookmarks on their desktop!?"


      People who arnt experts, thats who.. I go to peoples houses and their desktops are COVERED in icons.. all over the place, no coherance at all.. just a big freakin mess.

      Its stuff like that that bothers me, so I group their applications and games etc together and put them into folders like ' games ' apps ' docs ' etc... and they lose it because now they can't find anything.

      I have a Celeron D system, 3.07ghz, 1 gig ram, a couple sata drives, a couple ide drives, and a supported burner in this box.. I built it, total cost about 350 bux 6 months ago, guess what, it dual boots win xp and osx 10.4.7 thanks to the acronis disk loader and a little bit of reading. I got to like OSX so much (been with windows for YEARS, even ran a game center for awhile loaded with PC's.) OSX on exactly the same hardware dual boot smokes windows in performance, I don't even have a discrete vid card in this box only the intel gma 900 thats onboard and for all my general purpose browsing, email etc with full CE/CI support, it just works.. and as he says in the article it works well. I've used a ton of linux distros on the desktop, and none of them feel complete, they are always perpetually broken or just generally feel like they're stuck in a permanent alpha. I had vista installed, and I've uninstalled it after a month.. it was a waste of drive space. I manage xp installs at work (only because we have to use autocad). For business I suggest Google apps for small business, simple to setup.. no management headaches.. just change a couple lines with your domain registrar and let Google do all the work.

      But seriously EUDORA for email? The guy needs a slap in the head and a gmail account, and a full page of bitching about not having a screenshot program, its absurd. Funnily enough his problems with safari/firefox and camino most likely are due to using active server page based sites, and he didn't even mention opera.

      You see... his problems are that he's trying to make his mac a pc, he's trying to do things on a completely foreign os just like it was. He's got to realize that at least. Throw it all away, start fresh, stop trying to do it the old stupid way, unlearn the bad microsoft habits and you'll find OSX SO MUCH BETTER.

      Oh btw, because I was able to evaluate osx on my exhisting hardware, the wife started using it, loved it, and i got her a macbook.. think i'll get myself one as well.

      And for the next idiot that says ' but what about my GAMMMMMESSS.. ' .. you take your game to your office and see how long your boss lets you play it.

    • Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@Onetrack (apt name, btw)

      So what you're saying is that he should be using his computer the way you want him to, and not the way he wants to? Who crowned you (and everyone else who's got that "Oh he should do it my way" attitude) king?
  • bleutuna, on 10/12/2007, -6/+7Yay for him?

    I've spent a CRAPLOAD of time on a Mac. Many of our schools computers have OSX. My girlfriend and roommates computers are Mac. And time and again, it doesn't take me long before I try to do something or download something or find something to utilize and end up saying, "***** CRAPINTOSH!"

    See, I use my computer to RUN SOFTWARE. Not look sexy. Not define who I am. I use it to get things done. And, simply put, Windows does that far better than ANY Macintosh OS has. Or will for the forseeable future.

    And why on earth would I BUY a Mac when I can't upgrade it? I built my tower in 2002 - and I've added RAM, added sound cards, added other cards, added new motherboards, and now a new processor. Still...same tower. And 5 years from now? I'll upgrade stuff again, and it'll still be FAR LESS than buying a Macintrash.

    Macs can suck it. The simple truth is if you want CONTROL - you want a Windows based system. I control everything, I add any software I want, I add any hardware I want. When I want.
    • garbs, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Your comment really applies mostly to desktop systems. It's pretty hard to have a good amount of control with any notebook computer.
    • defectDS, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Of course you are gonna short-circuit. Your not accustomed to OS, and therefore, you somehow get angry and feel calling the computer names will make you feel better. Make sure this "girlfriend" of your isn't in the car when switching from Automatic to Manual transmission. Oh wait, that's not a good metaphor. You like being in CONTROL, having to do every little thing yourself. Why waste your time looking through System Preferences (even with its handy search bar) when you can get things done your way with MSCONFIG?

      I can understand getting annoyed with (true) Apple fanboys, but nagging on something because you don't take the time to learn how to use it? Come on!
    • bleutuna, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Uh...I like being ABLE to do everything that needs to be done, the way I want it done. Windows doesn't force me to do every little thing. It's full of just as many wizards and 'quick ramps' as OSX or any other operating system is.

      The difference is that Windows lets me go deeper if I choose. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. The deal is...I have the choice. That's what matters.

      Again, I've spent and worked far more than 3 months on the Macintosh operating system. Sorry to burst your bubble, there. I know which one I prefer - its Windows. Without even a modicum of a smidgen of a bit of a doubt.
    • eleven, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think you're confusing upgrading with replacing everything but the outside case. You really just have a new computer in an old tower - big deal. Upgrades sound great but it's just as hard to upgrade a PC motherboard as it is to upgrade a mac one. You want the latest and greatest you'll need a new mobo, new ram and a new CPU. That is not an upgrade that's a new system.
    • bleutuna, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You're wrong. It's cheaper and easier to upgrade a mobo on a PC than a Mac. By far. And, again, unless you change your processor, you really haven't created a new 'system.' Adding in RAM or changing your video card/etc. isn't a new system - it's an upgrade.

      WIth a PC, I have a whole world of options to chose from when I upgrade - with Mac? Not so much.
  • majortom1981, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I will get flammed for this put people really need to use vista with WORKING DRIVERS.

    A lot of mac fanboys bash microsoft for third party problems and they blame microsoft for them.

    Vista is a great os if you can get working drivers for it. Iwish all these people bashing it would actually use it with real drivers.

    I have used a mac and I couldnt get used to the os. I just feel I can do things faster on windows vista.
  • Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10What everyone fails to realize is that each operating system comes with a whole computing *philosophy*

    Macs "just work". They're like X-wings - they'd better not break! It doesn't feel like you own the thing - you can't just customize it as much as Apple/Incom wants you to think.

    Linux gives you complete control. It's like building your own f*cking starship.....but that means you have to build it! Thanks, but that kind of effort's too much for me.

    Windows is in-between. It's like the Millenium Falcon - Han Solo customized it himself to *his* perfection, but he didn't build the damn thing. And there's always the chance he might be caught smuggling ;)
    • undersky, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2OMG I can't believe you just used all those Star War analogies there, HOW ***** NERDY!!!

      ROTF
  • Stucarius, on 10/12/2007, -4/+9First gaming.

    Boot camp a quad core Mac Pro with dual cards and you can blow away almost every PC gaming rig. I know my Mac Pro kicks my best friend high end Alienware machine across the room. Oh, it also cost $700 less.

    Macs are better deals for the money these days. If you are happy with and actually think an $800 PC is good just go on deluding yourself.

    Also Vista is going to be the death of Microsoft. Just listen to the panic in Bill Gates tone. Vista is absolutely failing and now one major app after another is getting killed after install not to mention the millions of ticked off customers who's machines are not installing the OS. Have you been checking out the videos on You Tube? Microsoft may have a real crisis on its hands. I am expecting class action suites any day.

    Lets not forget MS had the Millennium catastrophe OS that was the biggest piece of trash ever sold. XP had to be rushed out just to save their butt. Too bad OSX was not in position to exploit it at the time.

    This time Apple is all over Microsoft. Did you hear that some of the major PC labs have been running a PC native version of Mac OSX for the last several months? The guys at PC Mag let it slip this week. Apple will be releasing a PC native OSX with Leopards release it seems.

    Its a brave new world.
    • hitman6800, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I for one would LOVE to give OS X a run. I use primarily windows, since I am a gamer. For many of my non-gaming activities I use linux. I would love to use OS X along with those, however, buying Apple's hardware is usually and expensive proposition, especially considering I already have several very capable PCs already. With OS X having shifted to Intel platform already, I personally do not see why future versions cannot be fully compatible with non-Apple hardware. As far as switching goes, why switch when each operating system as its own strengths? Windows is still THE gaming platform, say what you will about consoles. OS X is and has always been the platform for rich content creation. No operating system puts the user in near as much of a seat of control as linux does... and in that case there are flavors to fit all needs. Why not use each for their intended purpose?

      In any case, as hardware support for virtualization increases, the limits of it disappear. We are entering a day when we can click a button to switch operating systems. Its coming. If future versions of OS X become capable of running on non-Apple hardware, it would give the consumer more choice. OS X may even finally become a valid competitor to Windows. If there is one thing Microsoft has done correctly, its been to secure its domination. Now you can even run it on your Apple hardware. Why not the other way around? Don't get me wrong, I love some of the things the Apple designers are capable of. Look at the Mac Mini. Intel core duo processor power loaded machine the size of a car stereo head unit. Problem is, I can't afford the price tag of one that is configured to fit my needs. I may however be able to spare the money for the OS itself, and install it on one of my machines, or load it into VMWare and play with it. I see the new things that can be done with their upcoming version, and it makes my mouth water, however, software cannot sway me to pay for more hardware, when mine works just fine.

      As I have made references to my current computers being more than powerful enough, here are the specs for your reference:

      main comp: Athlon X2 4400+(am2), nforce 590, 2BG PC6400 DDR2, dual BFG Geforce 7900GTXoc, 1TB raid 5 array.
      linux box: P4 2.66Ghz, intel 865PE chipset, 2GB PC3200 DDR, Geforce 6800GT
      spare box(for testing): athlon 64 3400+, nforce 4 chipset, 1GB PC3200 DDR, Geforce 6600GT

      why not have apple create their next os in such a way that these machines can run it, they have the necissary power. why buy a new machine just for the OS when you have comps like these? I built them all, they all have good looks, and all can rip though the tasks I give them. If Steve Jobs wants to make dollars off of us, OS X should be free to run on any hardware, as it would open up the customer base that is now only held by Microsoft.
    • thor2077, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I will ask that you not compare anything to an Alienware. for most (almost all) hardcore gamers, they are going to build there computer. i have no solid numbers but iam willing to guess i can build a computer that will "blow away" your rig for the same if not less money.

      please dont confuse overpriced rebranded dells with high performance machines.
    • jimthetaff, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Stucarius - I see your still spewing ***** about your pathetic little macs, what a ***** knob you are grandpa.
  • Lighthater, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I used to read Scot Finnie's email newsletter. While he does go on and on about Windows, I'd hardly call him an expert. Most everything I read was obvious statements about whatever overly dramatic issue he was ranting about at the moment.

    I think its good that OSX is finally getting the credit it deserves. Windows, OSX, and Linux all have their place and uses. Find what you like, go with it, and stop trying to push your OS of choice on others. I use Linux and Windows personally. I'd love to have a Mac, but I just can't justify the cost of a mac book yet. :)
    • hitman6800, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1exactly my problem, but if rumors are true about Leopard being made PC native, I would be happy, for the reason that I already have good hardware.
  • camilos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3All these apple related articles that make it to the frontpage are really getting annoying. This place should be renamed Digg_Apple_Nintendo.com
    This is not NEWS! Just because some apple fans are pissing their pants over this piece of worthless information, it DOES NOT MAKE IT news.
    • Markie1006, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Why don't you just turn off the Apple section in your profile.

      It's really, really easy.

      You'll never have to see another Apple story again.
  • kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4To shut everyone up. I have a Mac and a PC. Even though I like the Mac, I would rather have a PC. I know it's hard for you Mac zealots to believe, but I am someone who does not like the Mac better.
    • kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Simple, I can't go to the store and buy Mac programs, and even if I do find Mac programs somewhere in the corner, they cost $10 more than he PC version.
  • SLuM, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3Please give me a reason why anyone should use a Mac. 90% of software and 99% of computer games are made for windows use. Yes I love playing games and making stupid pictures in my spare time with adobe. Virus and spyware are nonexistent on my computer why? Combination of firefox, zone alarm and spybot keeps me 100% clean. So why should anyone use a mac again? Apple computers are extremely expensive and custom made built computers (which you can install MS (or linux)) are 500-1500 for a decent one.

    Here are my benefits of using windows:
    Can play all GOOD games
    Can install 90% of the software in the world

    What are the benefits of using a Mac? This is a serious question
    • Onetrack, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5you can have 50,000 programs, but if only 10 do the job, why do you need the rest?
    • unmarked, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Simple: Then don't buy a Mac. I'm sick of these folks whining about "I wanna play games" or "I want 100,000 programs" (of which you won't install but an incredibly tiny fraction). If that's the case, stick with your PC. Stick with Windows. Go and grab Vista (if you can figure out which one to buy).
  • Markie1006, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Damn the MS astroturf is thick in here.
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