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- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -42/+186From the article: "If you give the Mac three months, as I did, you won't go back either."
The problem is, most of those with a strong anti-Apple bias haven't spent three HOURS in OS X, let alone three months. It's nice to see the ignorance starting to crumble, particularly among the traditionally Apple-averse enterprise computing press.
I say choose (note the word "choose") the OS that best fits your needs, but the computing world would be a better place if the masses would learn about the alternatives before blindly deciding to continue with the status quo (Windows). - dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -33/+124I can spend 300 hours with a Mac and it isn't going to help with my application / game compatibility issues - Which is unfortunate seeing as Mac OS X is a great OS.
- jeffgtr, on 10/12/2007, -20/+96Amen! I am in totally in agreement. Log some hours on different operating systems, then form your opinion. I used to be a die hard windows guy, built my own machines, built them for friends. After spending a great deal of time with Solaris and seeing how rock solid unix is compared to windows in a server environment. Then experiencing the elegant Mac OS it was just a no brainer for me to switch. Granted I haven't switched entirely, I still have a winxp box, but it hardly ever gets used, open an Access file now and then, test css on IE, the ocassional game, and thats about it. Now that Apple is on Intel and with virtualization, I do not plan on replacing the XP box when it expires.
After you've spent considerable time with OSX and still remain a die hard windows user, then by all means let us know what we're missing. I think that's the difference in Mac users, most of us have had to use Windows. Seriously, I don't know a Mac user that hasn't spent alot of time in windows. Unless you have experience on both systems you have a big zero in the credibility department as far as I'm concerned. - Rice, on 10/12/2007, -14/+51An 'expert' switched? Who cares!?
I switched and other people will switch! A computer is just a tool, people. Don't brag about your tools. - EXreaction, on 10/12/2007, -27/+64"The problem is, most of those with a strong anti-Apple bias haven't spent three HOURS in OS X, let alone three months. It's nice to see the ignorance starting to crumble, particularly among the traditionally Apple-averse enterprise computing press."
Ever stop to think that it is rather hard to try OSX?
What should I do, go out and buy an entire new system so I can *try* OSX? ***** that! - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -5/+40"running applications on their native OS."
That's what bootcamp does. It's essentially dual booting. Run Windows natively or OS X natively. - fr0stb1t3, on 10/12/2007, -10/+42I work as a salesman at CompUSA and many of my customers come in asking about the mac, I spend 15 minutes showing them features and telling them how it will benefit them, and they all buy. I have a switch ratio of like 3 out of 10. 3 in ever 10 customers I get I talk into purchasing a mac, and most come back saying thanks and buying accessories etc. I feel pretty happy when I make these switches because I feel the customer will actually be pleased by the results.
But people must also understand windows machines DO have their place, and Apple isn't going to be sweeping the desktop market anytime soon. So enjoy your fav. machine, whether it's Mac OS, Windows, Linux, or maybe all three. - flag564, on 10/12/2007, -61/+93Oh who cares.
Nothing is more annoying than some drama queen writing about their switching stories.
Oh, I switched to Mac.
Oh, I'm jumping to Linux.
Im going to Windows.
BeOS, here I come!
WHO CARES! What's worse is that some dunderhead piggybacks on the story as some golden proof that (insert OS here) is the best thing on Earth because one person needed to tell the whole darn world. - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -4/+35"Macs are simple, for simple minded people."
Again, not only Mac users are smug or condescending. - wolferz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+36I've not spent more than maybe a dozen hours or so on mac, and that time was enough to make me want to own one. With the new Intel Mac's ability to boot windows, I would still have access to my games and other windows-only software when I wanted. If I could toss linux on it too it would be total nirvana for me.
I don't hate windows or ms and frankly over all I still rank windows above linux for a desktop os. However, the attention to detail in OS X is in your face apparent. Not only does everything work, it works well. Different parts work well together and compliment each other. Things that are less simple than they should be on windows or linux are blindingly so on OS X. It has the simplicity and easy of use linux lacks, and the cleanness and efficiency windows lacks.
Bleh... I fear I have the beginnings of a mac fanboy in me... I only had a limited amount of time and I'm sure there are flaws or at the very least things I don't or wont like about OS X. As of yet I've not seen any, so I cant help but sing its praises. Any one got a mac they can donate? I'll take anything above a G4... :D
My only problem with OS X is that for some things I may still be dependent on windows. I can think of a few softwares I commonly use that are only available on windows and linux. For interoperability reasons I cant easily replace these programs with alternatives. Of course then there's the whole situation with gaming. I would still be dependent on Windows to a degree.
Any way, feel free to begin hating on me for my windows is better than linux comment.
[edit] grrr... i didn't want this to be in a reply, but oh well, i'll leave it here because reposting is worse imho. - Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -17/+41professional career on OS X > gaming on Windows.
'Nuff said. - Chaotyk, on 10/12/2007, -10/+34In other news, Anakin Skywalker turned to the dark side...
- DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -15/+37First, it's not twice as much and second, why not run both? If you could buy a PS3 that could run both PS3 games and XBox 360 games would you?
- krispyrob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+23Final Cut Pro... better than avid, cheaper than avid, faster than avid.
- Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -3/+22I bought a Mac Pro last Sunday. I bought a MacBook Pro last night.
Life is good. :-) - jeff303, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18Professional career that doesn't depend on particular OS = priceless
'Nuff said - kingkilr, on 10/12/2007, -24/+40Yep, if you gave me DirectX and the opportunity to install it on my own hardware(w/o being illegal) and I'm there, all the way, until then sorry gaming is too important.
- PathDaemon, on 10/12/2007, -19/+35People complaining 'bout these posts...
Show me some stories of prominent Mac peeps switching to Windows. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -21/+35Uh, it doesn't take much to be a Windows 'expert', sadly.
Just because one guy uses a Mac, everyone else should too?
I'm tired of seeing this Windows/OSX ***** on the frontpage all the time. To me, it doesn't matter, Mac's will never have the software I need and use everyday. I don't care about dual boot or parallel this that... ***** it. Either run it, or don't. - selectodude, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17Adium X
Edit: moose: FCP is gaining ground in the pro-space like fire in a dry forest. Logic is what all the music is made with. That and Pro Tools, also a Mac app.
Don't be a dick. - ltbarcly, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19Are PHD candidates in CS considered illiterate now? Try walking through the CS building of your local research university, asshat.
- knodi, on 10/12/2007, -35/+48He's not a expert if he can't use windows.
- undersky, on 10/12/2007, -2/+14what he meant was, CS PhD students are using Mac, so they are not illiterate as the original commenter said.
- dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13@DaffyDuck
"That's what bootcamp does. It's essentially dual booting. Run Windows natively or OS X natively."
My bad. I wasn't aware that Bootcamp was a dual boot set up.
However, dual boot setups (such as boot camp) are hardly the same thing as running Windows applications on a Mac (i.e. using software such as parallels under Mac OS X).
Fair enough dual booting will allow you to run Windows applications without any processing overheads... However you are directly booting into windows XP, and have no access to your Mac OS functions. So what is the purpose of having a Mac if users such as myself would be constantly booting into XP (as applications I use on a daily basis will run only under Windows).
I already have a dual boot setup with Linux, which I don't use often enough... - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@broomett
Speaking as a former A+ and (expired) MCSE tech, I agree 100% that Windows is TOO HARD!
Can I configure windows? Inside and out. Can I fix the glitches and errors? Sure, viva Google. Can I download and install the needed patches? Sure can. Can I go track down the drivers I need? Yes again. Can I use anti-spyware systems, keep an eye on my registry, kill ugly processes, and configure a tight and solid firewall? Of course.
But after spending 12 hours doing that, when am I supposed to get my work done?
OS X is far, faaaaar from perfect. But since switching from Windows, my productivity has skyrocketed. Sure, OS X features (like the F12 dashboard) help, but the biggest change is turning it on and working- it works! It just works.
After clearing spyware crap out of my XP box for the 20th time, it was simply a tedious chore. Sure, I *could* do it a 21st time, but why? That's time I could be spending on Digg- or actually working. - dvsbastard, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12@Nougat
"The main problem with computers is that they do *exactly* what you tell them to do. They do not do things that they are not told to do."
Problem?! Are you crazy! That is a damn good thing!
Imagine a computer popping up a message such as "I don't feel like it today, I have a headache. You don't respect me. Why can't we just cuddle?"
*Shudders* - Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -14/+25For those of you who didn't RTFA, or just read page one of TFA, here's a summary:
Page 1: "Oh after three months, I'm switching to the Mac from Windows. But I'm still running Windows in Parallels, because I still need it for some things." (read: The Mac doesn't do everything I need it to do.)
Page 2: "I really need a good screenshot program for the Mac, and not just a keyboard shortcut to do printscreens. But there isn't one. If there was, here's what I'd want it to do." (read: The Mac doesn't do everything I need it to do.)
Page 3: "I really like the HTML editor I use in Windows, and Dreamweaver is a great substitute, but it's too expensive, so I use the Windows app running in Parallels." (read: The Mac doesn't do everything I need it to do.)
Page 3-4: "Migrating my email was a big pain in the ass."
Page 4-5: "The web browsers available for OSX fall short of those available for Windows." (read: The Mac doesn't do everything I need it to do.)
I have to wonder why someone would choose to switch away from a platform that has done everything they needed it to do, and onto a platform that doesn't. Maybe it's that smug satisfaction you get from being a Mac user. Not sure what he's got to be satisfied about though; he basically complained about the switch the whole time. - Vermifax, on 10/12/2007, -9/+201. Logic Pro 7.
- Benzoid, on 10/12/2007, -9/+20I use both Windows and Mac at work. Both suck. Computers in general suck. But we need them. I'm just plain tired of machines telling me to do things. They should just do what I want and shut up about it.
Apple assumes you're an idiot and makes things look good just for the sake of looking good. Windows assumes you know a little bit about computers (which isn't true with 90% of the world's computer users) Diggers are in the 10% mostly I'm sure. Linux is good but then you have to be in the top 5% to get anything working that isn't standard in Ubuntu or Linspire. They all suck in some ways and are good in other ways. No reason to fight about it, is there?
How many times do you get called by someone saying " I have a little computer question about my Mac/PC/Linux/VCR ? " They all suck!
Use what works for you. - brutalentropy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+16Wow, gotta love how all the pro-apple comments in this thread are dugg down, while ones that make no coherent arguments ("LOL max are teh suxors, he is getting paid by apple *****!") get dugg up.
I have a mac and a PC, they both have their positives and negatives. It's just a computer, stop getting your panties in a wad, it's really much ado about nothing.
Go ahead, digg me down since I didn't sing the praises of XP/Vista. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13damn. the last thing i want is for the mac to increase it's marketshare. the more marketshare, the more dumbasses apple has to cater to. i love that microsoft caters to all the dumbasses and lets us get our work done.
please. please. don't switch. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14He can use Windows. In fact most Mac users (since we have to use Windows at work) can use and are quite proficient with Windows.
Can you use a Mac? How many YEARS have you used a Mac? Because most of us Mac users have used Windows for years and years, and know what that's about.
Think about that - almost every single Mac user you ever scoff at has about as much Windows experience as yourself under the belt, and then on top of that a vast sum of OS X expereince as well. - undersky, on 10/12/2007, -10/+20DID YOU GUYS READ THE ARTICLE?
DID THE SUBMITTER READ THE FULL ARTICLE?
EXCEPT THE FIRST PARAGRAPH....he didn't say anything good about MAC!
In fact, all he wrote on every single page was how difficult it was to switch. I have NO CLUE from that article WHY DID HE CHOOSE TO SWITCH!
I clicked on the article fully anticipating to learn about why Mac is better than Vista, but he didn't tell me ANYTHING, but several very very in-depth analysis of screen shot capture program (WTF??), Eudora transfer (WHY DO I CARE??), Browser comparison (in which he said he can't find a good one on Mac, WTF??)...
this is weird. - DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -8/+17Mythos,
That's fine, it's not for everyone. The iMac and Mini are not easily upgradable. That's a given due to their form factors. The Mac pro is easily upgradable though. - eyreka, on 10/12/2007, -3/+12It's funny how defensive Windows users seem to be, actually exactly what they accuse Mac users of. I just know that I'm glad to get away from work and go home to a system that (most of the time) is a pleasure to use.
- Prysorra, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10What everyone fails to realize is that each operating system comes with a whole computing *philosophy*
Macs "just work". They're like X-wings - they'd better not break! It doesn't feel like you own the thing - you can't just customize it as much as Apple/Incom wants you to think.
Linux gives you complete control. It's like building your own f*cking starship.....but that means you have to build it! Thanks, but that kind of effort's too much for me.
Windows is in-between. It's like the Millenium Falcon - Han Solo customized it himself to *his* perfection, but he didn't build the damn thing. And there's always the chance he might be caught smuggling ;) - RyAnderson, on 10/12/2007, -32/+41I switched 4 years ago and have spent over 10K on hardware and pro software. Worth every penny.
- ez12a, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"I'm not being a dick. I'm just saying that the MAJORITY of Mac users are dumbasses that think they're cute and popular, and thats why they buy them. And, Macs are inferior machines. How hot do they run?..... Exactly."
ignorance is bliss, eh Moose? The "majority"--generalizing, now are we? I've built my own Windows box back in middle school. Bought my first mac last year (college) and I'm not looking back. Inferior? hardly. I have friends that are also making the switch after spending their whole lives as Windows users. A macbook pro is similar in price to a similar spec-ed XPS Dell laptop (12"), give or take 100 dollars, not to mention its 1" thin...versus the 3" thick 12" XPS Dell. - superkendall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11@cecil_t:
Aperture.
If you want to name something OS X can do out of the box that Windows can't, how about iLife? Windows has built some equivilents but they are a ways off yet.
What about run X11 applications, or a Bash shell? OS X can do that too.
What about serve web pages? OS X comes with Apache. And PHP. And soon Ruby on Rails.
What about transfer all your user data and applications from your old computer via firewire, as part of setup?
Run iTunes (you have to download that for Windows)
Develop software (all macs ship with development tools os disc)
You get the idea. Well, actualy, you don't - but there you go. - tateswayz91, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9I'm not a fanboy but:
1. If mac's can run parallels then doesn't that mean it does have what he needs?
2. There's this great thing called "Grab..."
3. How many browsers (besides IE) are there for Windows that aren't available on the Mac?
Edit: Erg nevermind-pretty much got beat to it. - avalys, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Yes, I do. Macs are not significantly overpriced - maybe by $200 or so at the most - and I think the premium is worth it for the ease of use, consistency, and stability. I used to build computers and run Windows and Linux - eventually, my life got busier, and I no longer had enough time to treat my computer as a hobby - hunting down device drivers, dealing with package dependency problems in Gentoo, reformatting Windows every two years because it started crapping out. So I bought a Mac, and never looked back.
I don't care about choosing every part in my computers - just like I don't care about choosing every part in my washing machine, watch, printer, or electric drill. And it's not like you have a much of a choice in choosing the parts of PC laptops, either.
I'm a computer science student at MIT, by the way - which is why I laughed when I saw someone else's comment that Macs are "simple computer for simple-minded people." Fully half the computers in the CS department here are Macs - and they run OS X, not Linux. - Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -14/+21Flag, I think whatever computer you're using to figure percentages might need some work.
- firsttube, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8professional career in OS X & gaming in Windows, all on the same machine:
priceless! - 3zero3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8"For example, I'm big on putting bookmarks in the form of Web icons on the desktop. Firefox doesn't preserve the titlebar text on Web site desktop icons."
WTF? Who the hell stores their browser bookmarks on their desktop!? - Cymrubeats, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9If OSX could be installed on anything, then Mac sales would plummet.
- guerrilla_suit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Once I switched to using laptops as my primary computer, I decided to try out the mac. I've run windows for a long time, owned HP's, IBM, SONY, and finally a Macbook Pro. I have not seen or used a better laptop than this. As for the OS, I can run either, Windows, OS X and/or Linux. What I found is, that I prefer OSX over the rest, and only require Windows to play my favorite video game.
If there is another laptop that is better than the Macbook Pro I'd love to see it.
IBM(Lenovo) and Sony have built a few nice laptop models, HP's hardware has always crapped out for me, but nothing has been as nice as the Macbook Pro that I'm running now. - Levich, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9The gamers are right - till the mac can be as much of a game machine as a pc - there is a huge issue for many - as for people switching - all I can say is I married a windows woman, and she is growing mighty frustrated with the way thing work on my computer vs hers... maybe Vista will solve that - but mac is a viable and powerful computer in its own right - especially if you aren't into gaming...
- CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I like how the most problems/annoyances stated by reviewers of Vista can be solved with Google + 15 minutes of your time. Also after reading his whole switch 3 part story all I can say is that this guy is just tired of Microsoft and Windows. And I can totally understand that. I can also understand the people who prefer Mac OSX because "it just works." Well I have fun making windows work for me. Even though that requires me working on Windows. I still think that one day I will have more reasons to switch to Mac. But as for now, I have many more reasons to stay in Windows world.
- chrisutley, on 10/12/2007, -5/+11Somebody needs to clue these PC weenies in to the fact that the overwhelming majority of people DON'T want to build their PC. I'm an expert user of OS X and Linux, and I've never been happier than I am with my 24" iMac. I pulled it out of the box, and more or less everything I wanted was already right there in front of me. Build a PC ... pffffft ... nothing more exciting than cutting your hand on some ugly PC case with neon all over it, or fishing a screw out of some recessed location after you drop it in there. Not to mention building really isn't worth it these days, if you are patient you can find Dell deals that beat the pants off of the price/quality/time involved in building one yourself.
- Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8@tateswayz91
1. He still needs to own a license for Windows XP, still depends on Windows XP. If the Mac did everything he needed, he wouldn't need another OS, would he?
2. I don't know what you're referring to with "Grab," because I'm not a Mac user, but I'm going to presume you're talking about the screenshot thing. RTFA: He wants an app that does specific things. I don't know why. I wouldn't use a screenshot app, I would just screenshot with the keyboard (on either system) and crop the image as I need to in a simple image editor. But I'm not him, and I'm not insisting that he do it my way. He has every right to want it his way.
3. Again, RTFA. He talks about the various browsers that are available for Mac, and how they all fall short of his liking in some way. I gather he uses Firefox on Windows - he talks about how FF for Mac is not as good.
These are all *his opinions,* not mine. The point I was trying to make with my original comment is that if, in his own opinion, the Mac he's switching to is not as satisfactory as the OS he's switched from (even if that's a TRS80) -- then why switch? -
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