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- whataboutdave, on 01/18/2008, -6/+79No.
Digg me down, but I just saved you five minutes. - inactive, on 01/18/2008, -9/+43I think Boot Camp was the answer for games. I know people say they don't want to boot in Windows just to play a game, but my question is: Why Not? I can play a good game for eight hours, if I'm really into it. If you're going to play a game for a significant amount of time, why is a one minute reboot such a big deal?
- inactive, on 01/18/2008, -14/+45I would argue that Macs already have great games. Maybe not some epics like Bioshock, but we do have Command & Conquer 3, Battlefield 2142, Guitar Hero 3, and WoW. With greats on their way such as Call of Duty 4, Unreal Tournament 3, Spore, Gears of War, Starcraft II, and Rage. Still, I would have agreed with this article.. if this was the year 2003.
- Mejogid, on 01/18/2008, -5/+31It's not just the games - the hardware itself is lacking if you consider the price. To get a vaguely feature proofed gaming system you're going to have to get a mac pro, and that's cost prohibitive for most of us. Not to mention getting ports a minimum of 6 months after most other systems is a bit of a let down (with some notable exceptions, obviously). A lot my favourite games/series just aren't there yet - most obviously Valve, Bethesda, Creative Assembly and a decent port of Civilization 4, which I can't stop going back to.
- sark666, on 01/18/2008, -1/+26Well the first question is will developer's ever get serious about opengl again? Microsoft pushed direct3d even when it was inferior to opengl. They tied developers and in turn users to one platform. Personally, I don't give a ***** about mac's (or mac gaming for that matter). But I'd like to see this happen because if developers start thinking about mac game development well then you have developer's thinking cross platform. Then linux game development becomes more viable.
Id software has done it for years, c'mon developers it is possible. - flipmeat, on 01/18/2008, -4/+27No. They don't care. They have a hugely profitable business already. Some game developers allegedly demand huge sums for the privilege of starting a conversion, which Apple ignores. It's nice that EA is doing some Mac titles. Next question.
- UKsHaDoW, on 01/18/2008, -2/+21Game develepers have everything they need. OpenGL, and OpenAL. There constantly develeped. I don't really see the problem.
I know they asked to valve to port source. But they asked for a lot of money. Which is a bit stupid really saying that it increases there market, yet apple has to pay them for it. - oMeSSiaHo, on 01/18/2008, -3/+21Does Windows handle port forwarding? I thought that was your router. I also dont see why its Windows fault Steam updates itself.
Also pesky pesky Microsoft. Always updating its software to add features and fix bugs. I'm sure you've never downloaded an update for OSX. - anderzole, on 01/18/2008, -6/+23Although Apple has never been that serious about mac gaming, Maelstrom remains an all-time great!
- coheedcollapse, on 01/18/2008, -4/+20"I dont think they want spotty little kids using there producs"
Although they don't mind people with bad grammar skills who make false assumptions about gamers. - xRand0mx, on 01/18/2008, -1/+16I don't know what it is with most Apple users. This "I'm better than you" attitude gets very tiring. But back onto your comment. You clearly have no idea what the average age of the computer gaming market is. My complete guess is that it is probably somewhere in the 30s because thats what the current PC market seems to be catering to. Your comment seems to be referring to console gamers who average maturity age is about 12.
And please check your spelling and grammar before making a sentence like: "they have the market they want and to be honest I dont think they want spotty little kids using there producs." - screwzluse, on 01/18/2008, -2/+17Those reasons are relatively bad reasons. I would have been satisfied that you just didn't want to reboot and such but excuses such as steam patches, port forwarding, etc aren't Windows problems. Port forwarding doesn't involve Windows at all. Windows updates are important for security updates. Hell, I believe OSX has updates too. It's weird how you don't have to actually install either.
A good reason would be that you're able to keep running your mac apps (like adium and such) without losing those apps to play Team Fortress. None of the reasons you listed are good reasons. - REUYL, on 01/18/2008, -11/+25They'll get serious about gaming when they can sell overpriced games as "hip" and "trendy."
- deadbaby, on 01/18/2008, -1/+13Does anyone really care anymore? Get a console or dual boot Windows.
- Tempest261, on 01/18/2008, -0/+11Apple? Who cares. *Linux* needs to get more serious for games.
- threemagic, on 01/18/2008, -0/+11I own an tech company. We have HUGE vendor shows all the time. Last summer was a big Microsoft show (they were the main attraction, they got the training room for actual shows). While HP, VMWare, Cisco and Apple are the other BIG players that were there. Apple is the only one that has a stipulation.. that stipulation is simply they HAVE to have as much visibility and time as HP, they didn't even ask about Microsoft. They never do.
- Mejogid, on 01/18/2008, -0/+11Previously, I'd have agreed with you - but Kane and Lynch broke the 1,000,000 mark...
- KSUdesigner, on 01/18/2008, -0/+10Better check your facts before you comment next time. Your average gamer is in his 20's and 30's, hardly a spotty little kid (though there are quite a few who act like that).
- bitspace, on 01/18/2008, -0/+10That sounds like it was written by a "spotty little kid."
- Timmaay, on 01/18/2008, -0/+9Damn, Eight hours.
- santaliqueur, on 01/18/2008, -1/+10Funny, the real reason I buy only Apple computers is not the hardware (which is great). I buy Apple because of OS X.
- kinship, on 01/18/2008, -3/+12here's a question, do they need too?
- WWWoody, on 01/18/2008, -0/+7They don't appeal to gamers (at least, it isn't one of their main goals), they appeal to people who enjoy simplicity and style. This isn't to say that people can't do some amazing, complicated things on a mac, but it just isn't what they're marketed for.
- Mejogid, on 01/18/2008, -0/+8Often it doesn't, but when a great game I've been following for a while finally comes out, I'd rather not wait for a port that will most likely be more buggy and perform worse. With on-line games in particular, by the time they reach the Mac the communities often passed its peak and some even force you to play on separate servers (looking at you, Age of Empires).
- sauron256, on 01/18/2008, -0/+8"to be honest I dont think they want spotty little kids using there producs."
Don't fool yourself, Apple don't care if it's a business professional, Justin Long, or a "spotty little kid" using their products, provided that the revenue is coming in. Apple is a business, no more, no less. - threemagic, on 01/18/2008, -4/+12Excellent point and what I do with my Mac Pro. Sold my old mac and pc...
and PS.. I know I get dugg down everytime I say it, because for some reason no one believes me, Apple is a HARDWARE company.. they compete with Dell and HP not Microsoft. - phantasyhero, on 01/18/2008, -13/+20Macs aren't meant for gaming, their PC counterparts will always be more powerful, and cheaper for gaming.
- nico623, on 01/18/2008, -5/+12I've just never thought that Apple considered the Gaming Industry that big of a deal. I'm not saying I'm blind and can see otherwise. But you'd think since Microsoft came out with the Xbox & 360 that Apple would give in somewhat to the gamer. I've never truly understood the Mac-fanboy...and I probably never will..
- norman619, on 01/18/2008, -1/+8Sorry but Apple is both Hardware AND software.
- inactive, on 01/18/2008, -6/+13Microsoft loses money on the Xbox and 360 (as does Sony). Apple isn't in the loss leader game. Ever wonder why Apple has half the market capitalization of Microsoft with only 7 percent of the market? High margin hardware, that's how. If Apple competed in the console space, they would have to drop a console on the market at less than production costs, hoping to make up for the money in developer taxes and high margins on games. That's just not how they roll.
- anderzole, on 01/18/2008, -2/+9prince of persia and glider on os7 were fun games
- tlm2021, on 01/18/2008, -0/+7norman619 is completely correct. And honestly, it's why Apple lots so much marketshare to Windows on the software side, and Dell, HP and others on the hardware side.
But it's also why they tend to have such polished products. It's much easier to make a product if you don't have to worry about supporting a wide range of hardware preferences and possibilities. For every variable you can eliminate, that's man hours that can be reassigned elsewhere. - CraigJ, on 01/18/2008, -1/+8Probably not. I really wish they would, but lets face it, the ATI Radeon HD 2600 PRO cards in the iMac aren't exactly great gaming cards, and forget about the graphics in the Mac Mini or the MacBooks. Maybe the Mac Pro would make a good gaming machine?
- merreborn, on 01/18/2008, -1/+8Personally, I picked up a macbook about a year ago, having not touched a mac since the release of windows 95, and I definitely fall on the side of those who would like to see games ported to macOS. I've already adjusted to using OS X for *everything*. As such, I really don't want to have to maintain a second OS on my macbook just for a few games -- it takes up over 20% of my dinky harddrive's space, and if I want to check email/IM/browse, I have to maintain a second installation of all the appropriate software.
Also, in my experience, bootcamp has some flaws when it comes to cooling -- the fan seems to run to slow, causing overheating during processor intensive tasks (like gaming), which in turn leads to the thing choking periodically. Fan control in OS X is much better.
I actually stopped playing the Windows MMOs I was playing in favor of WoW, becausing playing WoW via the OS X client was a much more pleasant experience -- all my other apps are still right there when I want them, and I don't have to deal with bootcamp's quirks. I don't even have a functioning bootcamp installation anymore, due to some stupid windows licensing issues.
...So please, bring good games to OS X. I'd rather play a decent game without having to use bootcamp, than play a great game in bootcamp. - inactive, on 08/11/2008, -2/+9I can imagine an Apple game console .... It would cost $2000, would have a controller with only one button, and would only play games created by Apple.
Oh, and it would be considered "the next great innovation in gaming"... :D - inactive, on 01/18/2008, -2/+9And a new HP for the same price as your Macbook will run it better.
- bagelmaster, on 01/18/2008, -0/+7WoW isn't exactly a computer killer...
- Tenoq, on 01/18/2008, -0/+6You mean $100 for a game is a fair price? :p
- WWWoody, on 01/18/2008, -1/+7I agree, but this has absolutely nothing to do with the topic and you're giving him a bad reputation by spamming his ***** around like that.
- bluenullity, on 01/18/2008, -4/+10Why is that a good point? Steam/WoW on Windows or OSX will still have to update itself. Graphic drivers still need to be updated and port forwarding is done thru the router not at the OS level (depending on UPnP).
- digudown, on 01/18/2008, -0/+6DirectX for Mac??
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 01/18/2008, -3/+9Building a PC part by part is far cheaper than any ***** stock computer you are going to pull off a DELL or APPLE website.
You also get to have a computer far far better in every aspect.
That's the Gaming Trump Card. And Apple can't touch it unless they stop locking in their hardware.
The hardware lock in is what gets apple all their inflated hardware sales. And thats most of their money there.
The catch? Most people don't know how to build their own PC, and instead replace the whole thing every 3 years. - Archer007, on 01/18/2008, -0/+6Why is it that 90% or more of the people who say "digg me down" are regularly dugg up?
- inactive, on 01/18/2008, -1/+7They say the Apple iConsole will only be 1/32" thick!!!
- schavira, on 01/18/2008, -4/+10Why would they be worried about viruses if Macs allegedly have none (this was posted from a Mac, I'm no fan of MS).
- Memnochxx, on 01/18/2008, -1/+7This is a non story. Buried.
- ThreeDee912, on 01/18/2008, -0/+6All of this is mainly because the game developers don't want to bother with coding for Macs. Some games (like Blizzard's recent games) work very well on a Mac. Other devs just write a sloppy port with a ton of bugs. Others don't bother with Macs at all.
- jedikv, on 01/18/2008, -1/+6"to the odd problem of Windows downright refusing to port forward a range that the Pirates MMO beta wants." - I am sorry but thats the fault of your (probably) ***** router.
- Matteos, on 01/18/2008, -0/+5"to be honest I dont think they want spotty little kids using there producs."
Yeah, products like the iPod, and iPhone.
P.S. There is a spell check button. - inactive, on 01/18/2008, -0/+5Maybe not all Apple users think they're better, but those ones never speak up, the only ones we hear repeat the same iPropaganda and constsantly remind us how stupid we are for using a PC. Look at the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercial; I could slap the smug look off that little hipster pecker head. "oh look at me, I dress in bluejeans and have cool hair, not like nerdy, square PC guy."
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