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- megamod, on 03/22/2009, -4/+80"Duplicated functionality"
- Twiggy794, on 03/22/2009, -7/+60If by challenging you mean flat out restricting it, then yes.
- heystoopid, on 03/21/2009, -25/+71Well my friend you have both the source code and the compiler for the target ARM used on the Iphone .
Ooops , I forgot Apple won't let any other browser on their machine except for Safari and even refused the boys in Norway who work on Opera permission to port their excellent speedy browser to Iphony and the code used is closed and proprietary , thus is not open source as per NOKIA .
Best of luck trying my good friend , but since Snapple does not play fair have a happy DMCA take down notice day , real soon now , you hear . - rimantas, on 03/21/2009, -9/+36you also forgot that Opera never did ask for permission. Also you forgot that Opera is closed source, while WebKit is open. Go figure.
- dkirkham, on 03/22/2009, -1/+20Apparently, two people in the States use it...
- aristotle0dude, on 03/22/2009, -18/+36Why would anyone want it? It's unstable, has a bad UI and offers even less functionality than Safari Mobile.
Some of you seem to think that because it's based on Mozilla that it would automatically support firefox/mozilla addons. - JshMRsn, on 03/22/2009, -2/+17Apple has removed the restriction on creating browsers for the AppStore. It's been that way for a while.
- MacEnvy, on 03/22/2009, -6/+21Apple has said they'd be happy to have someone else write a browser for the iPhone and submit it to the app store. And I'm sure they'd accept Fennec in a heartbeat. The Opera guys never submitted their app, they just bitched about it, saying "it'll probably never happen because of app store policies". Well, why the hell didn't they give it a shot and submit it?
My guess is, they didn't want to agree to part of the licensing or something. It has nothing to do with Apple "not allowing" it. - Somefoo, on 03/22/2009, -5/+19People this dumb about technology should not be writing articles about it.
- TheHayze, on 03/22/2009, -4/+18That's true that Opera is closed source. But I like to call them the good kind of closed source, as in they actually listen and encourage support from their user base.
- TheNik, on 03/22/2009, -0/+12Objective-C can include C++ and (obviously) C, I'm pretty sure.
- TheNik, on 03/22/2009, -6/+17It would... eventually. That's why it's not, you know, a full release right now.
- EntropyFan, on 03/22/2009, -14/+25It doesn't ***** matter what is 'open' or 'closed', when talking about Opera or WebKit.
The iPhone is closed. Period. Apple will tell you how to use the equipment you bought, so shut up or they will DMCA you into jail.
Plain and simple. And folks criticize Microsoft for strong-arm tactics... - chamakits, on 03/22/2009, -1/+11I had actually read a few articles from this guy before...and...I'm pretty sure I will not be taking his posts with the same "respect" I might have previously. It seems like a very close minded post really.
I personally believe that this is a great way for Mozilla to go about it. Nokia itself has been known to be a powerful supporter of open source. Although I have never developed anything for the Symbian OS, or any Nokia device, I'm guessing that the great support and flexibility they allow in their platform would probably allow to write flexible enough code so that Fennec could later be somewhat easily ported. Anyways, thats just my two cents. - jmferris, on 03/22/2009, -0/+8Yes, because if you substitute the word Microsoft for Apple, everyone would still feel the same way, right?
- TheNik, on 03/22/2009, -1/+9What's a serious operating system? Are there farcical operating systems?
- hardeep1singh, on 03/22/2009, -5/+13More like, don't wanna get beaten in my own game.
- Jambi, on 03/22/2009, -1/+8It's unstable because it's an alpha, has a great UI (to be fair, this sort of thing is mostly subjective... I prefer something that'll stay out of my way) and addons are being ported to it currently... Adblock's almost ready and NoScript's already done, for example.
- Sonicandtails, on 03/22/2009, -4/+11I as well buried your comment using Opera. It as well felt good.
Perhaps you would be interested in reading up on Opera and how it is compared to Firefox (And what it had first, too). You'll be surprised to know that the common "Can't live without AdBlock/ReloadEvery/GreaseMonkey/DownThemAll" is false and Opera comes with those all built in (And keeping a smaller filesize/memuse, faster cold/warm/page boots, and with the newest alpha, a perfect Acid3 rating). - TheNyquilKid, on 03/22/2009, -2/+9"Why no Blackberry support for Firefox mobile beta?"
FTFY - inactive, on 03/22/2009, -4/+10Mozilla has better things to port for, like the HTC touch pro or HD rather than Apple's lock-down piece of *****.
- aautopsy, on 03/22/2009, -6/+12Wrong.
- 1platypus, on 03/22/2009, -0/+6@MacEnvy
Don't know why your being buried. Your right. Before your burry me look it up. - TheNik, on 03/22/2009, -0/+6And no BlackBerry support. Yikes!
- lotion, on 03/22/2009, -1/+7This article is ridiculous. Calling anything developed on windows mobile irrelevant to developers is downright idiocy. There is a large and supportive crowd of WM developers ... The difference is that, just as it was when 3rd party iphone development started, they develop out of necessity and desire, not because they're out to make a quick buck (afterall, the Fart Machine application for WM is free!).
- utnow, on 03/22/2009, -0/+5This hasn't been true for a long time now. It's like saying that germans still kill jews. Unpleasant, but utterly out of touch.
- aristotle0dude, on 03/22/2009, -0/+5There is no guarantee that it would assuming that you would even want it to. Add-ons take up processing and memory which is in short supply on mobile platforms. With these sort of devices, you have to think differently and you cannot just port over bloatware and expect it to work.
- Jambi, on 03/22/2009, -1/+6It can certainly give you more marketshare than the iPhone OS, but I think giving Apple only 1% of the current world market in mobile OSes is a tad low.
- stormgren, on 03/22/2009, -3/+8Ironically this comment started at +1 and is now at -2. That means 3 people buried it. Clearly, those were the Opera users he was talking about.
Clearly. - ileftfark, on 03/22/2009, -0/+5Because if enough people make some noise, the big companies actually listen. See: Daniel_K and Creative Labs drivers, Fox News streaming media vs. the Linux community, Foxconn BIOS vs. Linux community, Facebook ToS, etc.
- miketiger, on 03/22/2009, -6/+11Double wrong.
- inactive, on 03/22/2009, -1/+6I think the issue for Opera was more wasting time coding for the iPhone when safari already does at worst an O-K job when Apple may just reject the browser anyway.
- modifiedbears, on 03/22/2009, -0/+4They released a version for Windows Mobile.
- spepin, on 03/22/2009, -0/+4Ugh. I want Firefox on my Blackberry. I'm not down with their browser and Opera can get annoying.
- chongli, on 03/22/2009, -1/+5The N95 is crap, honestly. The user interface on it is so lousy as to be nearly useless for web surfing. You really do need a touch screen to surf the web enjoyably.
- mferrari3, on 03/22/2009, -4/+8Apple only allows webkit-based browsers. They will not allow any apps that compete with the iPhone's native applications, so we just get mobile Safari clones.
What I don't understand is why Opera and Mozilla won't make a iPhone version of their browsers and then just put it up in Cydia. If mobile Firefox is used by more than half of jailbreak users, they have a huge user base right there that may help with getting Apple to loosen up restrictions. - jjones20, on 03/22/2009, -2/+5If they could get flash to work in it i would use it.
- hardeep1singh, on 03/22/2009, -3/+6The World uses Symbian, so what if states doesn't. Firefox on N95 and the like makes sense because that platform can give you more market share (60%) than the iphone (1%).
- inactive, on 03/22/2009, -6/+9No one uses N95 here in the states.
- MacEnvy, on 03/22/2009, -4/+7Yeah, WinMo. Nothing says "professional" like packaging the ***** mobile web browser on the planet with your mobile OS.
I got rid of a Blackjack running WinMo 6 when I got my iPhone, and I will never look back. I didn't know if it would be better, but holy crap I was wrong. Every aspect of the iPhone is better than my old WinMo piece of *****. - pikelet, on 03/22/2009, -0/+3Yes, because two large companies are going to support the rogue faction of jailbreaking users and risk the wrath of Apple. Seriously. If they did that, their chances of ever releasing ANYTHING with Apple ever again are over. God some people can't see past their own noses.
- iJessicaRabbit, on 03/22/2009, -2/+5With the speed of Chrome, it would be nice if Google could put Chrome out for iphone.... that would probably be a pretty big conflict of interest though :-/ too bad. I have faith in firefox; they'll get it eventually
- moppsy, on 03/23/2009, -0/+3"Apple only allows webkit-based browsers. They will not allow any apps that compete with the iPhone's native applications, so we just get mobile Safari clones."
That is unsubstantiated.
There have been apps that compete with the built-in apps for a while now.
As far as we know, no other kind of web browser has been submitted.
"If they did that, their chances of ever releasing ANYTHING with Apple ever again are over."
Trism started as a demo for jail-broken phones.
RSS player exploited the ad-hock delivery method, then went to a jail-break release.
Both are sold in the app store today. - cloud3, on 03/23/2009, -0/+3In related news (also ironically from cnet):
Mozilla backs EFF in iPhone jailbreak support
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10166713-37.html - Megor, on 03/22/2009, -0/+3I'm not sure about total flash support but Hulu works great from skyfire on my HTC touch pro
- plana, on 03/22/2009, -1/+4Apple will NOT allow this to be distributed and run on the iPhone. Period.
The author of this article is so uninformed and the content is so retarded- I am starting to wonder how deeply affected digg has become by corporate interests instead of actual substance. - KAMiKAZOW, on 03/22/2009, -2/+5"The good kind of closed source"?
You should watch a speech of Eben Moglen. He describes better than I ever could that free software is essentially democracy. "The good kind of closed source" is like "The good kind of dictatorship" -- that's an oxymoron.
A great Moglen speech is this one: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6345039926 ...
It's officially about SCO, but much is about free software in general. - kens8, on 03/22/2009, -6/+9Stupid question. Apple is a worse antitrust offender than Microsoft ever was (just look at the new Nano for confirmation of this!). Apple users should be praying that Apple's market share doesn't keep rising at the rate it is, or they'll start getting hit with MAJOR antitrust lawsuits.
- zeabu, on 03/22/2009, -5/+7Because Apple is more evil than Microsoft ever was. Until now it was almost impossible to notice, due to it not having a significant share of the market. I really am curious, how Apple would behave if they have a near 40% or above marketshare when talking about computers.
- zeabu, on 03/23/2009, -0/+2Did YOU read the comment placed by José Pablo, as a reference to the title? Titles are also part of an article.
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