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What the iPhone Doesn't Have

gizmodo.com — • Songs as Ringtones • Games • Any flash support • Instant Messaging • Picture messages (MMS) • Video recording • Direct iTunes Music Store Access (Over Wi-Fi or EDGE) • Voice recognition or voice dialing • Wireless Bluetooth Stereo Streaming

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  • pygar, on 10/11/2007, -84/+33A lot of these things will come I reakon, especially Flash. Apple probably wants adobe to do the work on flash iPhone support instead of Apple, which when you think about it is probably smart. Everything thing else will probably come once the phone is a guaranteed sucsess. It probably would have been too risky to add these features to a phone that hadn't been tested in the market yet.
    • frant1c, on 10/11/2007, -15/+27(Europe-related rant) The really important things it doesn't have: UMTS/HSDPA, keyboard, SIM card.
      These things make a big difference in Europe. Here, people like prepaid. They change SIM cards often. They also use UMTS, especially for business purposes. And, keyboard probably works best when you type in English due to software corrections; most European languages don't fare nearly as good.
      Battery life might also be a factor if it doesn't hold up for more than 2 days (without listening to music), because business users here are used to long battery life.

      So, recipe for success in Europe: don't lock it down to one operator; add UMTS (and/or HSDPA). With these two problems out of the way, people might be willing to buy it despite the virtual keyboard and battery life. If they don't fix that, all these negative sides combined will make it a failure in Europe - I'm dead certain of that.
      • thehigherlife, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11i was under them impression that it did have a sim card tray, several reports have confirmed that.
      • sgoogle, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Yes, it does have a SIM Card tray - Buried
      • bjarkebech, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5It's got a sim tray, but frant1c has a point. The cellphone market in europe is ENTIRELY different from the US. it's 1. Buy phone 2. Buy prepaid card 3. enjoy phone with no monthly payments.
      • bjarkebech, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Also, a big thing in europe is to send music, pictures and other multimedia over bluetooth. i sincerely hope that the iPhone has this
        • nickj6282, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1All the other Cingular/AT&T phones I've had with bluetooth have had that capability. I seriously doubt they'd lock that out on the iPhone, though I doubt you can send your iTunes stuff in/out via bluetooth. I never could on my AT&T Motorola phones with iTunes & bluetooth.
      • sgoogle, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3bjarkebech, many people, myself included have a phone on contract

        This is slowly becoming the norm, especially amongst younger people or heavy phone users. This seems to describe the iPhone target market perfectly
        • anuttam, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0the target market for iPhone in Europe is not the group who would take the cheap ass offer of the wireless providers
      • frant1c, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Well, I kinda based the SIM card comment on WSJ review; Walt repeats several times in text and video that the thing is locked to one carrier; IIRC, he even specifically mentions that iPhone doesn't have a SIM card at all. No one would be happier than me if that's not true.

        Furthermore, the actual SIM card isn't the issue - it's just important that the phone is not locked to one mobile operator.
      • sethisastud, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I'm passing until they make a HSDPA version. My HSDPA charger got stolen out of my back pocket from this guy while I was drunk and I had to go to EDGE and it's horribly slow :(

        And it has a SIM tray, but it is carrier locked.
        • smileydude, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I predict people will figure out how to unlock it and use it successfully with the european prepaid carriers by Saturday June 30.
        • nickj6282, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1As it stands now, if you've been a Cingular/AT&T customer in good standing for a certain amount of time (90 days?) they will unlock your GSM handset for free. Don't know if that'll work on the iPhone though.
    • ScornForSega, on 10/11/2007, -4/+12I'm not expecting flash any time soon.

      If they did add it, Youtube would be pissed. They just re-encoded their videos into H.264 from flash for the iPhone.
      • nicc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1ah...I was wondering how the youtube videos were working on the phone without flash since youtube videos are flash.
        I was thinking the youtube widget was a standalone flash player that would not integrate with safari
      • sgoogle, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Yes, but the reencode to h.264 also helps to save battery life over flash (or so we've been told). Possiblly dus to hardware support
      • JoeDiggsIt, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3They did it for the Apple TV, also.
        • anuttam, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1they did it for Apple. Period.
        • rspeed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1They might have done it to have an alternative to Flash and its ass-poor video quality.
      • allywilson, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Would have expected FlashLite (like Adobe provides for Symbian), rather than full flash anyways.
    • insomniac8400, on 10/11/2007, -7/+7Too risky? Feature wise, it makes no sense to buy this thing. It's a web browser without flash that can make phone calls. Very very dumb.
    • championchap, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9Yes, i can see how adding MMS support would be too risky. A feature that has already been proven as popular in the Mobile Market.
      Good ol' play it safe Apple with their cutting edge operating systems and devices.
      • dcmjzero, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4i like apple's approach of using email instead. i think we should be trying to move away from the horrible technology that is sms/mms. $.25 for a few bytes of data? stupid. even the $5 a month approach is for suckers. all of that data is probably as much as a second or two of voice. email is an open, widely-used standard that is compatible with computers.

        so- it's not that it is too risky, just that there are better methods (such as email).
        • Chakat, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2My phone plan already has unlimited SMS/MMS. Plus it can do email as well. Right tool for the job and all that...
      • DreKor, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1If you have email access with your phone, MMS is totally redundant. In fact, it's worse than redundant since MMS has limits on file size. Your friends can just send their MMSs to your email instead of your phone number and you can send emails to their phone's MMS address.
    • airquotes, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2http://www.noheat.com/2007/06/18/nintendo-and-apple-to-partner-on-games-for-iphone/
      http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2007/06/15/im-web-app-designed-for-iphone-debuts/
    • manicleek, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2A lot of these things will come? When? In say 2 or 3 years time, so in 2 or 3 years time the Apple iPhone will be able to compete with other manufacturers phones of 2007
    • furmanvt, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5My company network has already said they will not support the IPhone. Mainly because ti requires you to have Itunes on your PC which is junk anyway. Also no secure email.
  • fluidfoundation, on 10/11/2007, -146/+420Dont forget that it doesnt turn Coke into Pepsi, shoot rainbows out the top OR give a proper reach-around.

    Most of that stuff my Treo doesnt do, or it does it REALLY poorly to where its not worth it.

    • Rukaribe, on 10/11/2007, -48/+82awww, in denial your 600 dollar phone is just an over hyped gimmick?
      • Jenovaside, on 10/11/2007, -10/+4it doesn't have cup-holders?
      • Girvo, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16My M600i does pretty much all of that. Cost me a whole $270AUD brand new.
        • rspeed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Good luck finding one in the US. I had to import my W850i.
      • TomFrost, on 10/11/2007, -9/+5Girvo, that's awesome! I'll look into that.. It has a nav system with visual traffic reports, 8gig built-in storage, a full web browser, html-enabled email, and an interface by an award-winning design company too, right? Wow, I can't believe the iPhone costs so much!
      • jamie329, on 10/11/2007, -17/+2awww, in denial you're just jealous because you can't afford it? Don't worry, most janitors move out of their moms basement at least by the time they're 50! So there's still hope for you!
        • theonlyvlad, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Wow that turned into a possing match fast. Is the iPhone going to be the great social divide between rich and less rich geeks now? Well, *****.
    • piccols8, on 10/11/2007, -14/+20I don't think that the reach-around analogy works to well...
      • astrotrain, on 10/11/2007, -11/+5You know the apple fan boys were looking for that didn't you.... after all this is was created by their idol Steve Jobs, who knows what all Apple users want.
    • fabiolover2002, on 10/11/2007, -14/+18Hmm, my XV6700 can do all of that except for the I-tunes functionality. It was also released several years ago, has a much slower processor, and costs $200 less. Is it thin and flashy however? No.
      • RiverBelow, on 10/11/2007, -27/+2Dugg down for spelling iTunes as "Itunes". Gonna go put some songs your Ipod? No, iPod. NOTICE THE SPELLING. GAWD!
      • Detritus, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6That's exactly what I was thinking. WTF is the point of this phone if it can't handle stereo BT? I've been listening to podcasts and music on my stereo BT headset for 3 years from my XV6600 and now my XV6700. This is old tech, just like EDGE... the iPhone is nothing more than a trendy toy on a subpar carrier.
        • DopeWeasel, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I love my 6700... I can build my own custom ROMs and change the OS and installed programs however I like. Will the iPhone be as hackable as the 6700? Only time will tell.

          PS... check out ppcgeeks.com for custom community built ROM upgrades for the HTC Apache (ppc-6700).
      • TomFrost, on 10/11/2007, -6/+5It can do all that? It has Flash? It has 8gigs internal storage? It has a traffic-reporting nav system? It has a big screen for portable movies? It has a full web browser with easy controls? Wow, Apple's prices are crraazzzyy.
        • BucksOSU, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Yes you can get Flash for it. The iPhone doesn't do Flash however. You can also get a wide variety of traffic reporting nav system. Tom Tom, iGuidance, google maps..etc.. I tried a few on mine and picked one that I was happy with. Paired it up with my GPS so I can actually see where I am going and get real directions as well as updated directions based on traffic. It has a very good screen for movies. Picsel is one web browser that has easy controls and can also zoom in and zoom. There are a few browsers you can try on the phone The 8 gigs is about the only thing that it has that you mentioned but atleast the phone is expandable. I have 2 gigs in mine but there are 4 gig cards. Oh yeah, I paid $99 for the 6700... I'm planning on getting the 6800 for the same price too.
      • bluesdealer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1You're comparing the iPhone to XV6700... that's pretty funny. I'll acknowledge that the iPhone is lacking some features I'd like to see, but suggesting that any current phone holds a candle to the quality and functionality of the iPhone is just laughable.
    • CaymanCarpediem, on 10/11/2007, -7/+31I'm actually really shocked at that list! I don't live in the states and have always heard they have really crapy selection of phones, but in most of the rest of the world its almost hard to find phones without most of those features. True GPS is still pretty rare and real keyboards are optional depending on the form factor you prefer (it does tend to make the phone a bit thicker than most would like in most implementations), but I'm pretty suprised by most of the items on the list. No songs as ring-tones, no removable battery, no voice dialing? I'm not even sure it would be possible to go to my local cell store and find a phone without those options!
    • noch, on 10/11/2007, -9/+42im more interested in turning pepsi into coke
      • Twisty, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1The Pepsi vs. Coke question will go on a rampage!
      • astrotrain, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Ah they just need to reair the Transformers Pepsi vs Coke robots, this would also put Bay's Transformers to shame.
      • IEatHamburgers, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2crackhead
      • drafhk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1All you need to do is to print out the different label, put it on over the one you're replacing, and voila. You just turned Pepsi into Coke (or vice versa.)
    • NoahK, on 10/11/2007, -4/+15Sucks for your Treo. My phone can do all of that except use flash and access the iTunes store.
      (Verizon enV)
      • jjesusfreak01, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Actually, a Treo can do all of that except the flash and iTunes store, with a couple of added on programs. The equivalent Treo to the iPhone, the 680, is also $300 less. Not to mention that the Treo can stream audio, and can download unprotected audio files OTA. You still need a desktop connection for protected files.
        • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2actually new treo's can, the ones that run WM5/6 can get flash 7 installed. still not 8 or 9 for FLV files
        • superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You missed the part where the parent said the Treo could do some of those things, but very poorly. I've been looking at treos for years and yes they have a nice featureset, but are not very nice in operation (and I love Palm pilots in general).
      • dcmjzero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2i am so enVious of your phone that doesn't have 8 gigs of storage. that, for me at least, is the big draw. i have been saying for years that if there was a phone with a hard drive that is small (close enough) then i would buy it. and if you try and say something about removable cards, i will throw up. no sane person would carry around 8 microSD cards.

        /still not going to buy iphone. i have other expenses at the moment.
    • joel.smith, on 10/11/2007, -8/+17Also, it's not a hair dryer, bottle opener, or treadmill.

      iPhone Commercial (Conan O'brien): http://youtube.com/watch?v=1xXNoB3t8vM
    • airquotes, on 10/11/2007, -41/+2BURIED AS INNACURATE ALL THESE THINGS WILL BE AVAILABLE, YOU MAY JUST HAVE TO INSTALL THE 3RD PARTY APPS WHICH ALL ALREADY EXIST. GOOGLE IM CLIENT FOR IPHONE OR GAMES FOR IPHONE APPLE ACTUALLY HAS AN EXCLUSIVE DEAL WITH NINTENDO FOR IPHONE GAMES. DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK JOBS WOULD DROP THE BALL ON THIS ASSHOLES??????
      • isuisorisuaint, on 10/11/2007, -0/+11screaming makes it better, no?
      • XTX7X, on 10/11/2007, -4/+0Gazoontite.
        • chazuk, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1I dug you down twice airquotes, with the same reply of the same 2 links.....

          Time for a block methinks. :D
          • airquotes, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Feel free to block me, if you look at my other comments, most people enjoy what I have to say, save this thread.. the reason is this is a hating fanboi thread...why dont i make an article all about windows vulnerabilities or the zune failure or anything else, just dont get an iphone i guarantee they will still own the market. apple will win, i promise you
      • StealthTomato, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2Way to go, retard! You lose at life.
      • sgtconfig, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0What is stated. Is stated.
      • Trax91, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Whoever added the Caps Lock button in the keyboard should be bitten in the nuts.
    • samdu, on 10/11/2007, -6/+28Why would anyone want to turn Coke into Pepsi?!?
      • championchap, on 10/11/2007, -8/+19Pepsi tastes better.
        My tastebuds are representative of everyones, and I like Pepsi better, therefore.. so does the majority of the world.
        Argument over.
        • TheLastFreeMan, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Maybe you can perform a miracle and get the rest of the world to like America
      • pt4117, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3The son of the devil would. Haven't you seen Little Nicky?
      • Shorties, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Pepsi = Sweeter
        Coke = Bubblier

        I prefer Bubblier!
    • astrotrain, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3Who needs it, just give me a phone that has reliable service and doesn't cost as much as a down payment on a car and I am happy.

      If I want to listen to music while playing games and getting email, I'll use my home computer... sheesh.
      • dcmjzero, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5obviously this phone is not for you. ignore it and continue with your life.
    • krets, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8What model of Treo do you have? My 680 does almost all of that stuff and does it pretty well.
    • Hickeroar, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11You treo doesn't? Last time I checked, treo DID have most of those capabilities. In fact, most $150 cheapo phones do...
      • jdb252, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Apparently it lacks the "reply" functionality, as well.
        • Future2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I think that blue line going down the left side of the screen means he was replying to:

          "Most of that stuff my Treo doesnt do, or it does it REALLY poorly to where its not worth it."
    • ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Keep joking with people questioning iPhone. I hope you got Apple shares at least or you are just a fanboy with no excuse.
      to "Hickenroar" $40 , yes $40 Nokia phones has AAC ringtone support :)
    • ophilye, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I was promised a reach around!!
      Does it at least caress you softly after the $600 fee?
    • blast0x, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3fluidfoundation, you must not know how to use your treo very well..
      -Songs as ringtones: use Minitones
      -Games: theres plenty of games for Palm OS, theyre not all ***** either
      -Flash support: maybe not, but you can watch youtube videos on tinytube or youtube mobile at least
      -Picture messaging: built in
      -Video Recording: built in, not the best, but certainly not the worst
      -Itunes music store access: who gives a *****, it has expandable memory, go get yourself some free mp3s and load em on
      -Voice dialing: sprint offers this option on my treo 700p, i dont know about other services
    • divxrippimp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5This is the best form of brandwashing...
      this kid would buy ANYTHING apple...
      http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1ny6.jpg
      • ibis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Loved that one. "No games" "Oh yeah? We don't need it because we have safari" "Erm, except 99% of web games are flash, which it also can't do". "No MMS" "Use email" Erm, except for sending pictures to my friends who don't do email on their phones. Which is all of them.

        And how on earth did Digg make the comment system suck even more than it already did?
    • diggingaround, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4
      I suggest you get some iLube for your iPhone... so, you know, you can enjoy it more closely :)))))

    • jackyyll, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Also, the iPhone needs MORE COWBELL!
    • converge, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2LOL! My Razr V3xx not only has most of those features but it also supports 3G and has excellent call quality.
    • bingo000, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I love my Sony Ericsson W850i. Music support & playlists, MP3 as ring-tones, view real internet pages, 3G, Video recording and MMS. Apple wake up before your iPhone gets rotten!
    • gfrakster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1What an entirely ignorant post. There's only like 10+ models of Treo released over the last 4 years, the Windows Mobile ones (like the one I have) can do every single one of those things.
    • keeganspeck, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Well, if you can program it to do those things (lol) then you don't want an iPhone. OpenMoko FTW!!!

      http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html
  • abbazabba, on 10/11/2007, -52/+32iPhone shcmiPhone
    http://www.myspedspaced.com/noiphone
    • UGM2099, on 10/11/2007, -17/+5iPhone shcmiPhone?

      Translation: I can't afford an iPhone!
      • MarkOfTheDead, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4correction - he doesn't feel it necessary to piss his money away on one.
    • agentfoxtrot, on 10/11/2007, -7/+7Hey abbazabba - this is the 4th iPhone article you've posted this link on. Get lost!
  • mvanhorn, on 10/11/2007, -28/+457Wow the no songs as ring tones really sucks. Especially since it's our songs we downloaded and paid for and OWN from the iTunes music store. Bad call Apple...
    • Flashman, on 10/11/2007, -9/+104"The iTunes Music Store now offers ringtones for just 99 cents!"

      You heard it here first.
      • mt066, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3That would be interesting because people would have buy the mp3 and the ring tone at the same place, forcing them to buy the same song from the same person 2 times. Maybe it would bring up some interesting discussions about fair use?
        • SPECOPS, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0people have no problem re-buying a "dvd" for the PSP, when they've already bought the "real DVD" - well I do, but I guess the business model is working for Sony.
        • davidrools, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1isnt that what ripping and memory sticks are for?
      • humperdeath, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1They probably will offer a discount, to buy the song and ringtone, together for ONLY $1.49. (Or somehting like that.)
    • chrisgeleven, on 10/11/2007, -8/+20Most likely, the record labels have a specific part of their contract with Apple that states songs sold from iTunes cannot be ringtones.

      So Apple will most likely have to open up a ringtones section of the iTunes store at some point.
    • profOblivion, on 10/11/2007, -7/+78RIAA probably wants royalties for "public performance".
      • FuzzyBunny, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1While that seems like the most obvious explanation for such a move, I can also see a logical design-based reason for it as well. Since the iPhone functions as a music player, it could be difficult to differentiate between when the phone is ringing and when the player is just skipping to the next song.
    • celeronxl, on 10/11/2007, -56/+99This is a good thing. Phones should not ring by playing a song.

      Digg me down.
      • EmurS1ve, on 10/11/2007, -0/+28When you drop 6 bills on a phone it should do whatever the f*ck you want! But ya, im a big fan of always on silent...
      • Dietrich, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8Mobile phones should not have a ring tone period. Vibrate baby.
      • Quiplash, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3I am sick and tired of having a song come blasting through a space at top volume when some jackass has an incoming call. What ever happened to a soft ringtone? We've gone overboard here and I am glad that the iPhone doesn't support songs as ringtones.
      • DaffyDuck, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4I don't want to hear other people's music ringtones. Apple is doing my ears a big favor.
      • DaMacGamer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I always keep my phone on vibrate. My sister on the other hand, has an annoying rap ringtone that plays every time she gets a call. I feel like stabbing my ears now.
      • mamee, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6it's good to have an option..
      • volvinator, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Indeed... for the publics sanity please, no My Chemical Romance for your fscking ring tone... sweet jesus why...
      • Dougman82, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Songs as ringtones are great, so long as you use a reasonable song. Some people even create custom "normal" ringtones on their computers and save them as MP3's for use on their phones. I, for one, use the song "Wonderland" by Dexter Freebish. It works great, because for about 3 seconds, it just makes a soft, slightly-increasing-in-volume intro, and then a little drumbeat comes in. I don't put the volume up very loud, so it's never super annoying, and I almost always answer it before the drums kick in anyway. Now, my roommate on the other hand, you'll be sitting there all relaxed, and suddenly (at full volume), "KISS ME IN THE DARK..." As if it wasn't bad enough that it's a country song...
      • jhaks, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I have the Halo theme as my ring tone. Sometimes Hyrule field or Mario.
    • GhengisKhan, on 10/11/2007, -15/+5Would you really want to hear Metallica's "Enter Sandman" go off in an upscale restaurant?
      • Novagenesis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6Of course not. that's why I have "NIN - Closer" as my ringtone
      • markiemarke, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6why would someone who likes metallica ever be in an upscale restaurant?
        • NeilVickers, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Hey! I like Metallica and I go to Applebees all the time!
      • Daveecee, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1We played Enter Sandman in high school pep band, so that'd actually be good for a laugh.
      • yunus, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Would you really want to hear a "Cell phone" go off in an upscale restaurant?
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+28This is because AT&T wants to make a buck of selling you ringtones for $1.99 - $2.99. Just watch.
      • fribhey, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6i have at&t and i can use any of my own mp3 or aac files as ringtones on my sony ericsson
      • drjekelmrhyde, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I also have att and have no problem downloading mp3's as rigtones Moto V3 using MPT
      • digitalunit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yep, I have AT&T, Razr V3XX plays mp3's as ringtones ;)
    • dvddesign, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5I usethe theme song for Battlestar Galactica as my ring tone. When would that not be appropriate?

      I'm only really bothered by ringtones now when it's someone with no obvious musical taste (Britney's Toxic, huh? You rebel you!) or that damn Nokia tone. I'd prefer that someone beat me with their phone than to listen to that damn annoying Nokia ring again.

      • mrpither, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1where you at? i'll bring my nokia.... ;-)
        • GutterMoo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"I usethe theme song for Battlestar Galactica as my ring tone. When would that not be appropriate?"

          when trying to get laid
    • DeFex, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3I like it when the lazy people still have the
      "hello moto" ringtone, way to get free advertising!
    • totallyAMAZING, on 10/11/2007, -1/+53What? This is 2007, you can't "own" music anymore. You're simply borrowing it until the RIAA finds a way to take it back form you and charge you for it again.
    • zeiben, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2It's good marketing on Apple's part. They don't want their product to emerge out of someone's pocket to the tune of "baby's got back". It's a clever way to class up their consumers.
    • Jakyll, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6This isn't anything new, both versions of the Motorola RAZR and SLVR phones which had iTunes installed had the same limitations, no songs as ring tones.
      • lolhax, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Yeah, but it could be done by transferring the songs to the phone memory in the same folder as other ringtones using an application like p2kcommander. You could basically set any mp3 song as a ringtone as long as you knew how to get it transferred.
      • vimanaboy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1on a Mac you don't need a 3rd party app-- just browse the device via bluetooth and drag yer mp3's onto the correct folder!
        • EntangledPhysx, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Bluetooth is NOT exclusive to macs, though.
    • Daveecee, on 10/11/2007, -6/+3The ringtone problem can be easily fixed with a software update.
      • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7Just because something "can" happen doesn't mean it will. I can win the lottery today, doesn't mean I will...sadly.
        • Daveecee, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Hence WHY I said "can" and not "will" :P
    • number8888, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I don't think this is Apple's doing but rather at&t. Usually a locked phone wouldn't let you assign mp3 as ringtone, on carriers that sale ringtones themselves. An unlocked phone should let you do this, but all iPhones are locked right now. Nothing an update (or hack) couldn't fix I am sure.
      • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1My parents got these cheap "free after rebate" phones from atnt, the cheapest they had, they included dozens of .mp3 files as ringtones, and had no problem allowing me to send them to another phone by bluetooth or accepting .mp3 files from other phones.
      • Bakkster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Why I like Alltel. My phone can not only use MP3s as ringtones, it can also Bluetooth them like nature intended.
        Suck on that, iPhone.
      • Vagari, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I'd imagine it IS AT&T. The Sony Ericsson W810i has a related issue. _My_ phone is unlocked and I can do a lot of things with it, including setting a full mp3 as a ringtone, but the version you get subsidized has many things turned off. On the subsidized phone it's only short clips so you need to know how to edit audio files. There are many other, similar constraints AT&T put on the phone. On Phonescoop it was receiving all 4s and 5s when it first came out (I love my phone). But as soon as it was offered by a carrier it started getting 1s and 2s a lot.

        Sad.
      • Omicron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1almost every phone you buy anymore allows mp3s as ringtones. it doesn't take a whole lot of effort to get the mp3 on there. you don't have to "unlock" the phone. I have a RAZR V3xx and I use Motorola PhoneTools software to get my mp3s onto my phone for use as ringtones. And I'm with AT&T, btw.
    • brainache, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9Does this mean no MP3 ring-tones at all?? I mean I can understand that they aren't allowed to let you put your iTunes Music Store tracks as ringtones, but any MP3? I haven't owned a phone in.... 4 years which didn't let me set an MP3 as my ring tone! That's 3 different phones, all (except for my latest) which were less than £100 ($199) to buy without a SIM card.
    • Gizmort, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I just want my standard Treo ring tone on my iPhone.
    • weiran, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10I say yay to no-MP3 ring tones, I've had enough of Yoda telling people they've had a message from the dark side.
      • Jholder112233, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3*Changes my text message tone*
    • 80hd, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3Lot's of designer clothes aren't made in larger sizes so that only "attractive" people will wear them. BMW refused to put anything but a 6 speed manual into their flagship e39 M5. Its also very possible that jobs thinks that "Ringtone Music" people have bad taste and he WANTS to make sure he's pleasing a different crowd.

      It's harsh but not impossible.
      • awhiteflame, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I think you're not too far off.

        I think it's more that, because Jobs finds it distasteful, it's not in the product. And that's all the thought that went into it.
      • anuttam, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0well you would be true if you couldn't play mp3 ringtones period but this is not the case. it has mp3 ringtones, and you can buy them too. You just can't use your own mp3s. This might be a control issue, r it just might be that the iPhone doesn't have memory to store the entire song in a special folder for quick access when you get a call
    • 80hd, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0double post sry.......
    • tnoy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3My Treo cant play mp3s as a ringtone either, so this isnt that big of a deal.. Oh wait, thats right, the 3rd party application added that in.

      My only gripe with the iPhone (and I hate Apple) is the lack of a proper SDK.
    • mds76, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I've had Young MC's Bust a Move as aringtone for a few months, and it's kind of hilarious. And yes, I watched that episode of Scrubs.

      The song really does induce spontaneous dancing.
    • Nadcock, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4I think it was not included for a different reason. If you are sitting there listening to a song on your iPhone using the included headphones, then a call comes in and its suddenly a new song or even possibly the one you are listening to... that might be a bit confusing. From what I have seen on the tour of the iPhone on apple's website, the included ring tones are ones that you would not confuse with the songs that are playing.... Just a thought
    • ClearNed, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1OMFG! No songs as ringtones!!!! My guess is that anybody who really gives a ***** about that can't afford the iPhone anyway. I'm sure there's some Fisher-Price device out there that can give you that really, really, awesome feature.
      /sarcasm
    • ClearNed, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0nevermind
    • CatalystDM, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Of all those things, this is definitely the most disappointing. I can use my own songs as ringtones on my Razr, why can't I on my iPhone?
    • dignews, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Buy a LG Prada if you want music as ringtones so much! I have a prada so I can comment, but the prada doesn't have the internet, iPod and video iPod, picture viewer. Also from the videos ive seen already of the iPhone, the touch response is a lot more accurate not to mention the multi touch which the Prada doesn't have. The voicemail the iPhone has, text messages, maps, youtube! and everything else. Im not a Apple fan boy by any stretch but Apple out did LG. I like my Prada but im definitely going to be getting a iPhone next week if I can get hold of one.
    • mumeson, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0"OWN the song' - a common misconception. The only people who own the song are those that composed the song. Everyone else can acquire a license to listen to the song in the manner stated in the license.
  • atdigg, on 10/11/2007, -54/+11I hope they will fix those things, but even with those iPhone is the only "smart" phone that doesn't suck, actually it's probably the best small device for accessing the Internet, never mind the other features....
    • SeriouslyButNo, on 10/11/2007, -5/+10How do you know?
    • PhairOh, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6My N95 certainly doesn't suck, and it's actually quite good at accessing the internet using WiFi or Edge. I wish its 3G worked in the states, but alas, it does not. Also, I would like MicroSD to come in sizes greater than 2GB. Something I'll just have to wait for, unfortunately, but the 5MP camera sure is nice.
    • TheTorontonian, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Stupid comment as the phone is not even on sale yet. Duh.
    • XHashmeerX, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1It is. If you're using tech that's faster than EDGE, like 3g(cingular's branding name for HSPDA or UMTPS or whatever the damn acronyms are), which my $100 Samsung Synch has....that this iPhone, does not...Why tout it as a fantastic internet device if you're going to stick with dated technology that has been far surpassed?
  • JDoorjam, on 10/11/2007, -49/+23This should have been entitled, "Things that will probably be included on the iPhone in the next software upgrade, three weeks from now."
    • Buelldozer, on 10/11/2007, -6/+15How are they going to include a camera in a software upgrade? GPS? Replaceable battery?
    • Jeffler, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4They have a camera. Video recording is a software update. Some sort of GPS system can come out of it too, a very limited one but one nonetheless.

      You have me stumped on the battery though.
      • noPCtoday, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1if the phone cant locate you, then it's not GPS. Period.
        unless you get an extra device like the Nokia e65.

        and by the way, iPhone sucks, go do some reseach on O2, Nokia and Sony Ericsson.
    • TheTorontonian, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3And how do you know that? It could be 2.7 weeks from now! Duh.
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Sounds great, so why buy it now? Wait for them to fix all the software gaps and then buy one right???
    • angle45media, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1insert kool-aid here D
  • slugicide, on 10/11/2007, -38/+12*Linux support.
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Not sure why you're getting dugg down...it's a sad truth. One of the reasons I gave up on Ubuntu after 6 months of use was because my iPod just didn't play as nice with Ubuntu as it did with iTunes...
    • slugicide, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Yeah, Apple fanboys are annoying.
    • MrSarcasm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1oh noes...

      /sarcasm
  • Techno, on 10/11/2007, -36/+23Sorry for being rude, but who cares?
    • roxya, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9If you REALLY want to know, check out the "Who Dugg or Blogged It?" tab.
  • streak, on 10/11/2007, -30/+15With the iPhone's much faster processor and 700 MB OS, compared to the 64-128 MB of most PDAs, I expect we'll see many more features appearing on our first-generation iPhones over time, via updates in iTunes.
    • Hortnon, on 10/11/2007, -7/+24Just wanna point out that the OS takes up almost 1/4 of the 4GB model. I don't think many people are realizing that.
    • B1663r, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4Wow, every couple of weeks my free with service LG phone just gives me a message that it updated its self while i wasn't paying attention to it.

      Have you ever actually used a cell phone?
      • streak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1LOL, yes. And I know you've never used a cell phone with the software storage capacity anywhere near that of an iPhone.
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1What's funny is that a majority of "smartphones" that support all these missing features have an OS that can fit into 64MB or less...see Windows Mobile or Blackberry. Yet iPhones 700MB doesn't do a bunch of ***** that they do, talk about bloat!
  • vicious1, on 10/11/2007, -44/+11Here's the actual list of features that the iPhone doesn't have:
  • Adrianc333, on 10/11/2007, -62/+153Lol, it sucks.
  • cactus476, on 10/11/2007, -35/+266Is this some ***** up contest. See who can sell the most crippled piece of crap?
    • frmatc, on 10/11/2007, -11/+8My Blackberry doesn't have any of those features either. It's not stopping me from buying an iPhone.
      • kernelhappy, on 10/11/2007, -7/+5Your Blackberry is also considerably cheaper and was not created in the image of a media rich device (iPod).
        • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4LOL your blackberry is for BUSINESS, notice it can handle 10 diffrent exchange accounts? no other phone can do that. you also have a full qwerty KB and security even the US govt approves of. the iphone has none of that.

          BB = business
          iphone = turd
    • Kozy, on 10/11/2007, -5/+23My Nokia phone is reasonably old and while it lacks a few of the features, it has IM, a 2 megapixel camera capable of 640x480 video, MMS, games, you can watch TV, have MP3s as ringtones, voice recognition and i can download songs over the network. Why the hell would i want to spend a LOT more money on a phone that lacks features much cheaper ones have? This phone deserves to flounder in Europe, but chances are it won't because of the Apple factor. Their later iterations need to make some big improvements before it's worth the asking price
      • RiverBelow, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Because you can use your fingers to scroll through *****.
        • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1i have a jogwheel to scroll through ***** on my TyTN, its actually faster because your thumb doesnt need to move as far
      • Omicron, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2and it looks pretty.
    • slapout, on 10/11/2007, -5/+26It's a who can sell the most crippled piece of crap for the highest amount contest.
      • penguinofhonor, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1no, who can buy the most crippled piece of crap for the highest amount contest.
    • ericesque, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4@Kozy
      What, like the later iteration that will be rumored about from 6:30PM on June 29th until it is released at 3:30PM on June 30th? The one with 2 extra MB of RAM so that everybody and their brother is using their stupid outdated-first-release iPhone and now need to upgrade? Yeah, then it will be worth it.
    • r3zonance, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4At least it isn't crippled in terms of performance, like all Windows Mobile devices I've ever owned (HP/Compaq).
      • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2how old were your wm devices? or did you buy the cheapest one with the slowest cpu. high end wm phones (expensive but still cheaper than the iphone) have 520mhz - 624mhz cpu's also most of them have ATi video co-processors, whats faster? i highly doubt the iphone can perform better on its CPU even if it has a 624MHz since the OS is fracking 700MB!!!!!!!!!
    • MarkOfTheDead, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2or a fanboy contest...
      • JimmyIkon, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1haha... fanboy. where do people get this stuff.
    • consonance, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7It sounds like Apple either had to make a lot of concessions to AT&T or just forgot about features in favor of implementing a fancy UI.
    • Anonymous99, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1logged in to digg you up, cactus
  • cmiller1, on 10/11/2007, -17/+4All of the literature and demos with the iChat application included in the background suggest to me that IM is included, why is everyone saying it's not?
    • leontes, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8The ichat application that you refer to on the iphone is actually the SMS implementation. It does not use AIM or other chat protocols. It may look like ichat and work like ichat but it certainly isn't currently compatible with the computer implementation of ichat.
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2It's just threaded SMS which the Treo's have had for years. It will use up your 200 SMS fast and then you'll have to pay Mama Bell more money for each "IM" you send. So lame.
  • Cirrius, on 10/11/2007, -18/+284No mp3's as ringtones in unforgivable...I mean come on it's an IPOD!
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+11AT&T will be happy to sell you mp3 ringtones for $1.99 - $2.99 though!
      • aduelley, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0They probably would, but I think that the iphone just doesn't support mp3 ringtones at all. Or at least that is how I understood it.
    • astrotrain, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1...and AT&T will be happy to enable the Blue Tooth capabilities they disabled before selling you the phone for an additional $49.99.
      • Step1Mark, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1i have only heard of verizon doing this. if this is true it looks like ill have to stick with cingular...
      • BackwardsPanda, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2The whole ipod part is disabled without ATT
      • CLShortFuse, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2only verizon disables bluetooth and other features.
        as a cingular/att user for a couple of years, the most att has ever disabled was having an mp3 as a ringtone that's greater than 600kilobytes in the v3xx and w300i (though you can always trim the files, it's not really "disabled") and j2me permissions have to be signed by cingular in order to bypass an internet allow options (i think this is only on the v3xx). everytime an unsigned java application wants to access the internet, you have to allow it manually. other than that i haven't seen any restrictions.

        things that AT&T has never blocked yet are not allowed in the iPhone:
        Chatting (v3, v3i v3xx all have AIM pre-installed)
        MMS
        MP3 as ringtones (the Cingular/AT&T phones that didn't have the option never had it in the international versions either)
        Activate your phone to access Wi-Fi
        Activate your phone to access your music
        Bluetooth-A2DP
        Bluetooth-OBEX (pictures videos and mp3s work with phone2computer and phone2phone)
        Video Recording

        Of course some of these are software inadequacies from Apple, but restrictions have rarely been part of Cingular/AT&T agenda. I look at all these restriction and think to myself, why would Verizon pass it down? It sounds like a Verizon phone, missing features.
    • Daveecee, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Software update.
      • mobilehavoc, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5If it's such a ***** simple software update why in god's name did they leave it out??? Idiot.
        • JlmAWP, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Maybe because this happens all the time? PS3 with "Home", the Wii with all the Channels, iTunes, Windows....just about everything. Get a grip, and stop calling people idiots for bringing up completely valid points. He didn't say "simple", he said "Software update." Maybe the functionalities that they don't have yet are taking some time to work out, or introduce later. Also, one question mark will suffice.
    • 80hd, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Jobs knows better than to embarrass his companies name by letting some rich girl blast Avril over tinny speakers in church every time a call comes in
    • elessar120, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2If you got a call near the end of a song while using the iPod, there might be some confusion about whether it's a call or a new song.
    • elessar120, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1bury.
    • sandrino, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I suspect that the music companies required Apple not to allow using iTunes songs to be used as ring tones. The music companies are dying and one of the few places they make money is selling ring tones. When you buy a song from iTunes you are not purchasing the rights to use it as a ring tone. This may change as the iPhone becomes more popular. I wouldn't get bent out of shape over it. You are OK spending over $500 for a phone plus the data plan and you are pissed about having to buy a ring tone. Reality check anyone?
  • martin77, on 10/11/2007, -13/+122A Self-Destruct Button ?
    • royall64, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3That's what the button at the bottom is.
    • noPCtoday, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Nah you don't need to worry about that, I'm sure it will blend.
    • Katana314, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1A self-destruct button will undoubtably prove necessary.
  • mentice, on 10/11/2007, -26/+20What is an "iphone" ?
    • astrotrain, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7iPhone - (noun): over priced cell phone that Steve Jobs invented to make lots of money off people who just see it for its glitter and not for what it actually does. This also proved the same point with the iPooed, all because it was neater then the previous form of glitter... the digital watch.
  • anmol2k4, on 10/11/2007, -22/+13I will have to admit Steve Jobs is very good at guerrilla // viral marketing.
    And their user base help a lot too.
    But i believe a swiss army knife gadget cannot be as successful as a gadget which does one thing well.
    • texpundit, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7Better watch out. You're going to have a bunch of ignorant assholes around here digging you down just because you have a swastika as your icon...even though it's an ancient Hindu symbol (for good luck, right?). Hitler just coopted it and perverted the meaning.
    • ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I agree to texpundit, I have seen many good points of you have dugg down to horrible levels because of your icon. First I thought "what are nazis doing in iPhone stories", no kidding!
    • OrangeTide, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2the little dots on the swastika are common when used as a Hindu religious symbol. (both left facing and right facing) .. so no need to digg this guy down. ( there is even unicode symbols for it 卍 ) .. read a book people (or at least go to wikipedia)
  • zapa, on 10/11/2007, -26/+58haha fanbois going mad now
  • M3wThr33, on 10/11/2007, -41/+201While it can open Word/Excel docs, they are READ-ONLY.
    You can't copy/paste or highlight any text.

    Major flaws in something that's supposed to be a smart device.
    You know, outside of the crappy keyboard, lack of external storage, no mms, 2.5G only, no stereo bluetooth, no replaceable battery, no GPS, no flash, etc.
    But software updates will magically add hardware to the device, right? Keep justifying the waste of $599 US Dollars.
    • BogusJimmy, on 10/11/2007, -12/+1It's actually 2.75G.
    • Zephkiel, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14You can't copy and paste anything.
      • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1That always drove me crazy with the mobile Opera browser, you cannot select/copy text, trying to just makes you scroll the page by moving your stylus/finger across the screen. I have switched back to IE even if its a lot less compatible on my phone because I can actually copy/paste text from there.
        • ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Huh? Symbian has built in, system wide copy paste function. Windows CE doesn't?
          • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Windows CE (Mobile) does, nearly every included application and most 3rd party applications support it and you can copy/paste across programs. Opera Mobile, a 3rd aprty browser I got because it has support for more features than Internet Explorer mobile, however decided to disable the ability to select/copy text in order to let you scroll by sliding the stylus across the touchscreen.

            Personally id much rather have select/copy ability.
    • gordonf238, on 10/11/2007, -16/+2Why would you need to edit Word/Excel documents? That's something normally done on a computer. 99% of the time I've received a Word/Excel file, it was for reading only, not editing. And if your job requires a lot of on-the-go Word+Excel work, you may want to get a Pocket PC, which is better suited for business professionals.

      "..outside of the crappy keyboard". Have you used iPhone's keyboard? I didn't think so. Your statement is pure speculation.

      And who needs extra storage? The thing comes with 4/8GB of storage. The only phones on the market today that allow expandable memory are phones that come with mere 16MB of memory.

      And who needs to replace their battery? Batteries don't fail. Perhaps the big, multi-cell batteries in laptops overheat on random occasions, but this won't be the case with the iPhone. Why else would you need to replace it? Honestly, how many people travel around with 2-3 spare batteries? None. There is no point in complicating anything. The whole idea behind Apple's approach is simplify, simplify, simplify. If you spend 8 hours on the phone all day and conduct business on the go, again, I say you get a Pocket PC which is better suited for business professionals who work on Excel sheets all day long.

      As for Flash, it's been said time and time again that Flash uses up a gargantuan amount of CPU and memory, and would drain the battery much too quickly. Look at it this way, at least all of those annoying Flash banner-ads won't pollute your web-browsing experience. And if you love those rich-media full-screen Flash websites, then the iPhone isn't for you.

      And MMS? Seriously, who uses it? I used to have the RAZR and would randomly send MMS messages with embedded MIDI tunes, or animated GIFs to fellow friends, whose phones support MMS, but somehow, wouldn't display the media nor play the MIDIS. MMS is a flawed technology that nobody really likes.

      And GPS? You're asking a bit much from a device that already offers more than any other phone on the market. Just look at everything the iPhone DOES have.

      Shush.
      • Tippis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5You have never had to use a smartphone as part of your workday, I take it?
        • gordonf238, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I have. I use the ***** T-Mobile Dash running on Windows Mobile 6. The crappiest OS on a mobile device yet. I wish I never bought it.
          • bumblefoot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1actually most phones im aware of that have expandable memory start at around 30-40mb of internal memory and go upto 512mb :-),
            and the removable batteries are handy if your in business and use the phone alot incase your caught short by a low battery, and they're also vital if your changing sim cards (alot of us do in europe), mms is also popular in europe and i'm yet to have issues with it at all.
            and as i've said before the only things the iphone has that other phones don't is the os and the multitouch screen
    • superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -9/+7Sure, because editing Word documents on a small device makes a huge amount of sense.

      When people mail me Word documents on a desktop, I suggest changes in aAN EMAIL, and send that back. What is the problem?
      • ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8The point is, a $300 Symbian or WinCE device can OPEN these documents and edit them without flaws and additionally PRINT THEM over Bluetooth or even Network. In fact, some commercial tools can even SFTP/SSH to your corporate/ webserver and post them there. Or, you just run VNC and use real tools on the road on your desktop machine.

        If you pay $600 you shouldn't ask for such stone age "fix changes, mail back"

        Don't defend this thing as a corporate phone, it ISN'T, it is a high end iPod having communication features.
    • wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -8/+5A smartphone without a keyboard or a stylus? How are you going to use the thing to type messages? SMSs? What about one-handed dialing? It does have voice-to-dial either.

      Totally unusable... except apparently for walt mossberg, the apple shill.
      • ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1No Voice dialing? Man I hope it sells well to those fashion guys or I started to question future of my favorite desktop platform/hardware.
      • sandrino, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1So you know the iPhone is totally unusable without the benefit of personal experience. Did the archangel Gabriel come to you in your sleep and tell you "don't purchase an iPhone, I hear it us going to sucketh?"

        I have tried voice dialing on several phones, it has never worked for me. I would not miss it.
      • phpfreak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Voice dialing is completely overrated. It's so frustrating saying the name over and over and over until the software finally recognizes the WRONG name. And plus, I feel stupid talking to an automated voice, and know that it's just so much easier to dial the number or pick it out of the address book.
    • phpfreak, on 10/11/2007, -10/+17Do you actually ever create/edit spreadsheets, etc. on your phone? Oh no no external storage - um the internet? No mms - there's always email, and a software update can add this. No stereo bluetooth - you pulled this one out of your ass because nobody knows. No gps - then you'd be screaming about the low battery life, no flash - it's coming soon. As for the 2.5G only, WHO CARES! It has WiFi! And most of you who complain it's not 3G don't even use 3G right now! And if it was 3G, your data plan would be a lot more expensive.

      Quit your complaining because you want to justify not buying it.
    • sandrino, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4How many people need more than one battery? I have never needed to replace my cell phone battery nor do I carry a spare. The batteries of today are not the batteries of seven years ago. This is a non issue. As far as Bluetooth stereo goes, Bluetooth is not famous for its sound quality, if you half its quality further by separating its bandwidth into two channels, you will degrade the sound quality. Why spend $500 on an iPhone so you can listen to crappy sounding music over a Bluetooth headphone? I use regular headphones/.earbuds with my current iPods, they work fine. This complaint is noting less than unmitigated FUD.
    • pikaboy259, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Neither can the Blackberry nor Treo...it's all read-only. So where's the problem?
    • Katana314, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3The revolutionary iPhone will retail for...FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS...FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS...FIVE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE US DOLLARS...
      Giant touch screen
      And you just scroll...
      For massive damage.
    • gordonf238, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0So what's your point? If you drop your blackberry and break the screen, the warranty won't cover it either. And the iPhone is $499 for the 4GB model, which has FAR more memory than any smartphone available today (T-Mobile Dash = $299 and 16MB of memory. Sure it's expandable, but you'll pay another $100 for a 1GB memory expansion).

      If you folks are so interested in editing Excel spreadsheets, get a device that was designed for a business user. The iPhone is targeted at the consumer.

      • doubledoh, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Wrong. Expandable memory cards run at about $20 per GB (at the high end). I actually just bought a 2GB Kingston SD card for my camera for $25.
        • roderickv, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Okay, so that is equivalent to what total amount in a "smart" phone? - about 2.25 GBs in most current "smart" phones like the Trio right? So gordonf's point is still correct - The iPhone has more memory than any other "smart" phone, expandable or otherwise (period).
    • LeeSoong, on 10/11/2007, -0/+44GB & 8GB are tech specifications for the 1990s. Software is crippled.

      #1 Samsung and SanDisk have 32GB and 64GB Flash Drives now,
      the iPhone should have 8GB and 16GB models.

      #2 Fully functional copies of iWork and iLife Applications are a must -
      editing word and excel documents, photos, video, and garageband tunes.

      #3 A BIG NUMBER THREE: Buying songs and TV shows and movies via WiFi iTunes.

      #4 If I am paying as much as two new PCs for an iPhone, it should have most of the
      functionality of the iMac on my desktop. 2 GB of RAM and 16 GB of storage,
      having just Safari for the web is NOT ENOUGH.

      Put the whole iMac in the iPhone - then I could justify spending $2000+
      for a phone and two year lock-in contract with $175 termination fee...
    • chrisragu, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0I have been using the iphone for few days now and to tell you the truth, Iphone is just a stripped out phone with cool design and touch interface. I must say, it if wasn't for the company budget, I would not have got one. It is more of an entertainment device than a phone. Blackberry and Moto Q has a lot of usable features than the Iphone for a fraction of the price.
  • jazh, on 10/11/2007, -57/+159So, its over priced, but also has fewer features than my current Nokia N80 (that was out last year).

    Apple thinks people will buy the Iphone because of its great UI. Sounds just like MAC OS!
    • LethalAmbition, on 10/11/2007, -8/+1That's dirty jazh.
    • disciple83, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9not to mention that people who actually do their homework and pay attention will notice that OS X and Windows are becoming increasingly equal on features, and its simply a matter of personal taste that differentiates them. I'd take an N80 any day over the iPhone, if for nothing else, price. Hell, I'd stay with my Samsung SYNC simply because it works, and it's clear when i make phone calls, and it plays music, and videos, and voice dialing, and bluetooth, and has a removable battery, and an expansion slot, and 3G, and its smaller and has a longer battery life...I really have no use for GPS navigation, so it would seem that I have a superior phone already, and it was $45 with a plan.
      • bekind, on 10/11/2007, -4/+1Really, OS X = Windows? Have you ever used OS X? Have you ever used an iPhone (no)? The UI is what makes the difference for me, tech specs alone don't tell the whole story.
        • Tippis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1"Really, OS X = Windows?"
          No. Read it again...
        • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1the UI is useless, it decreases produtivity with all its animated garbage.
    • elcaminos, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6Booya for the N80, I paid $600 for mine last year and now it's down to $379 I believe. Great smart phone that does twice the stuff the iphone does. It doesn't have GPS but I believe you can plug in one of those black box gps recievers and use a software program.
    • gordonf238, on 10/11/2007, -7/+2Does your Nokia have a gorgeous 3.5" screen that's double the resolution of a computer monitor? Does it have the ability to play full-length movies, allow you to intuitively browse through thousands of albums?
      • zeifers, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1my phone has that, and it runs a windows os
      • blast0x, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Oh wow, I didn't know Steve Jobs had a Digg account
      • noreturn, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3320×480 is double the resolution of a computer monitor? You're an idiot; I have more resolution on my 10 year old TV.
    • ThatForumPlace, on 10/11/2007, -6/+7"Apple thinks people will buy the iPhone because of its great UI. Sounds just like MAC OS"

      Actually, that's been working out pretty well for them.
    • weiran, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9The Symbian OS is incredibly slow on the N80, even slower than it was on my SE M600i. OS X, on the other hand, looks incredibly fast and looks like someone who knows what they're doing designed the UI.
    • ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3Mac OS X is a real innovation and very advanced operating system which others just try to match. Stop confusing that iPhone crap with OS X. The mix of Mach kernel and BSD itself is something others only can dream about. See MS paid $2 billion for .NET which only comes close to the NeXT/OS X "Framework" scheme

      To Weiran: Go update your firmware, Nokia offers it free via PC suite or any Nokia service centre. It is like running 10.4.0 and blaming system for bugs while 10.4.10 is there for free.
      (I blame Steve Jobs of course)
    • ncaauwe, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3"Apple thinks people will buy the iPhone because of its great UI. Sounds just like MAC OS"

      Yeah, because Mac OS X is also over-priced and only bought for the UI.
  • AJH16, on 10/11/2007, -16/+11How do they get away with not having GPS in it. I thought that the E911 laws required all new cellphones to include a GPS reciever for providing the location of the phone in the event of a 911 call. Perhaps it can't currently be used for navigation, but that isn't the same as no GPS if that is the case.
    • CaymanCarpediem, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5E911 != GPS. E911 is basically triangulation with cell towers. GPS is sat navigation.
    • cwestpha, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Your misreading the FCC requirements. E911 does not equal GPS. E911 can be as simple as a location system in the back end that can extrapolate your position based on some fun trig calculations from you to the cell towers. Its not as good as GPS, but it will get them to in a block or two of your location. As of 2004-ish only one market had the last stage of E911 location, and that was Minneapolis/St. Paul if I remember corectly. They could locate you down to a block. (I was taking a telecom class and we had a emergency services operator talk about how they do it on the POTS network and cellular networks/)
    • NoahK, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2You're right. All phones "have" a location-tracking device, but I'm pretty sure he meant there was no way to access that information outside of being a 911 operator.
  • slapded, on 10/11/2007, -25/+18OK, this is lame.
    • tarmithius, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Wouldn't it be better to just stick your fingers in you ears and yell out, "la la la la la. I can't hear you!"
  • iSlayer, on 10/11/2007, -17/+9and so it begins to tearing it apart when half of these features most people will probably not need or want....so when it does have these features people will complain that the battery is crapping out because its running flash, wifi, voice recognition etc etc...
    • Smills, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Are you crazy?? You don't need or want Songs as Ringtones, Games, Any flash support, Video Recording etc?? Sure you don't need any of this, you dont need to even have a phone but want?
    • edzilla, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I don't know in the us, but here in europe, the cheapest phones that they give away for new contracts includes most of those features.
      • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1LOL in europe you get the TyTN, X7500, P3600, P3300 basically every friggin HTC phone for free on an 18mo contract with T-MO-UK. the US blows, all they have are garbage products and the iphone is no exception.
    • meechwings, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4Actually, I use songs as ringtones quite often to identify who's calling.
      Are you telling me you've never played a game on your cellphone when you've been bored?
      And even my first simpleton prepaid phone could do voice recognition, so why can't one heralded by some as the world's most advanced cell phone?
      • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0the nokia 3390 was released in 2002 (5 years ago) and it had voice dialing, WTf doesnt a phone in 2007 thats not even released yet not have voice dialing? most phones have VOICE COMMAND now, dont even need to preprogram voice dials
  • techsmack, on 10/11/2007, -12/+123*An affordable price when bundled with a 2-year contract, like most phones

    Really though, no MP3 ringtones? Thats just lame, my 4 year old phone does that.
    • jazh, on 10/11/2007, -4/+7Affordable price? Hardly, I can get a Nokia N95 (GPS,5megapixel camera, 2GB card) for $60 a month for 18 months, the phone is free.
      • TheSmiddy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0He's talking about which features are missing.

        ie it's expensive
    • astrotrain, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2Affordable price?... its going for around $500- $600 dollars, sounds like Apple is smokin' some wacky weed when they declared that statement.
      • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0the highest end HTC phone is fracking free from TMO UK (HTC X7500 advantage)
  • cheesegrits, on 10/11/2007, -9/+34It really doesn't have my interest. And I guess there will be the usual news stories about people waiting in line for hours to get one. What is it about our consumer driven society that causes folks to waste hours and days on merchandise? I can understand making a profit on shortages of merchandise, but to wait for something to actually use? There are a lot more rewarding pursuits to spend hours on in my opinion. Why not get some Viagra and spend hours having sex? Or watching top rated movies? Or starting a garden? But to waste time on merchandise??? I just do not understand.
    • davinic, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5How about wasting time making comments about people wasting time? Wow, that's META time wasting!
      • cheesegrits, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0At least I'm not wasting time on mere merchandise. I am contributing to the good of mankind by pointing out other people's weaknesses. Meanwhile I'm waiting on the viagra to kick in.
    • Baconn, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4You'll never be a fanboy with that attitude.
    • sandrino, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Its called marketing, look it up.
  • kn0xy, on 10/11/2007, -12/+49Funny how just a couple of seemingly measly options that I do have on my $100 phone, can completely remove all the remaining luster that the $499 iPhone held. The Ringtones, MMS and Video Recording just blows. And sure, let the trolls come out and bitch that I can just Carry an iPod with me, Send the pictures over email and buy a Camera, but, why carry all that crap on hand when I can just carry my Current Phone (Samsung SGH-A707) and get all of that and more and save $399 bux. Bad Apple for not paying more attention, maybe their later Generations of the phone will include whats missing.
    • blackjack75, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2I'd say the idea behind the iPhone is to do everything it can do well. And not do anything else.

      - J2ME games? All existing products would be unusable on a touch screen-only device.
      - Taking videos? Well, the Nokia N95 can take decent ones. On all other phoens the quality is so crappy it's just worthless.
      - MMS only matter if other ppl can not read e-mail. In the long term we all know SMS and MMS will dissapear in the favor of real time push e-mail.
      - No ringtones with mp3... well, that is just a gift to mankind or at least anyone who uses public transportation :-)

      • Tippis, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2...and by not supporting standard features such as MMS and MP3 ringtones, a large number of people will not give Apple their money. That's the problem: what you and I think is good or useful is pointless. If it doesn't do what people expect a modern cell phone to do, it will not be considered as such.
      • anuttam, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0no games for touchscreens?? can you say bubblepop?? best game out there
    • superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -4/+2I can email photos to a lot more people than you can MMS them to. And I don't even want a camera in a phone, much less a video camera. Honestly, unless your phone also comes with portable lights and a sound boom, what's the point? My deepest apologies if in fact that is the case.
    • 80hd, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Lot's of designer clothes aren't made in larger sizes so that only "attractive" people will wear them. BMW refused to put anything but a 6 speed manual into their flagship e39 M5. Its also very possible that jobs thinks that "Ringtone Music" people have bad taste and he WANTS to make sure he's pleasing a different crowd.

      It's harsh but not impossible.
  • Metalmoon, on 10/11/2007, -3/+41I'm really surprised they didn't incorporate stereo bluetooth (A2DP, what a dirty sounding acronym). My phone has it and its great being able to stream music from the phone in my pocket to my headphones
    • Spikeli27, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5probably a sony walkman phone, and y does A2DP sound dirty?
    • AnthonyA7, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Double penetration, baby!
    • mcsenerd, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Why would this be a surprise? It follows along with Jobs' idea of people just need a single mouse button or you should just share one of your earbuds crap... He's got this idea about what he "thinks" a phone should be...and come hell or high water...that's what Apple is going to make...
  • shakdang, on 10/11/2007, -13/+7.... and may I add this costs $2100+ over two years?

    • glasgowm, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3No, you may not. Because every smart phone costs 1500-2500 over a two year period, ***** idiot.
      • potp, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1my o2atom cost me less then 500 bucks right off the bat and it does a hell lot of more and did i mention that its more the 2 freaking years old..

        List of things i can do on my phone but not on the iPhone
        *Play Pacman, the original one. namco was kind enough to port the original for Windows mobile
        *Use my phone as a GPS device. its perfect since i travel and drive a lot around the world
        *Send MMS. apple fanbois say its useless but in my line of work i have been asked to forward work site photos to the main office from time to time and MMS works a hell of a lot better in the mobile field
        *Access flash content on my phone. I like to chill out at sites like news ground and VGDC from time to time and unwind to some funny flash video using the built in wifi.
        *Open and edit Word files. and Additional support for PDF, PPT and many others.
        *Play DivX video files.

        God damn the iPhone is for the retards.
        • pr5owner, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0my "PDA phone" isnt $1500 at all, i dont even need a ***** plan, i bought my phone for $470 shipped via 2day fedex, shipping alone is $80 my tytn works like a regular pda even without a sim card plugged in, i plug my exsisting sim card in and i pay $25/mo for my wireless plan, and it comes out to be $600 after 2 years. the ~$2000 is + $599 thats $2600 almost. the iphone is a joke. anyone that can see through apple's brainwashing ***** will see this

          BTW all funds above are CANADIAN.
    • nicc, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1potentially.
      if I buy the iphone, it would add only $480 over 2 years to my current ATT plan.
    • shakdang, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3^ you gotta get that sand out of your vagina mate ...

      follow this link and come back (if you are man enough) and tell me if iphone is the most expensive phone out there or not ... and its not even a smartphone its just a lame novelty.

      http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/how-does-the-iphone-stack-up-in-total-cost/
    • fpcyber, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1It costs 1930$ for one year, I would think it would be more around 3000-3500$ for 2 years. Don't forget to include the battery fee, since 300-400 charges will maybe last you a year if lucky.
  • modestmelody, on 10/11/2007, -10/+3So what's the list of features people have continued to complain about the iPod not having yet it continues to have ridiculous success?

    I'm not flocking to the iPhone-- maybe in two or three generations with a 2-300 dollar price reduction the iPhone could be worth it for me. But to say a list of features it does not have is going to doom it is just poor foresight. I don't know how the iPhone will do, but if it does well, it'll be because of the fresh take on interface, the fresh take on looks, and the brand's power. These are the things that won people over to the iPod (well maybe not brand power yet).

    The next few weeks should be interesting as reports come in bashing the iPhone. We'll see whether it will become as ubiquitous as the iPod did in it's early days.
    • zybch, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3"yet it continues to have ridiculous success?"

      WTF are you smoking??? The damn thing isn't even available for 2 more days. The ONLY people who say its a success are the apple shills like full time Jobs ass licker Mossberg, sycophant Pogue, and the other apple-lovers who get paid by apple to say nice things about it!
      Of course they're going to say good things about it so apple continues to send them overpriced shiny white crap for free in the future (so that can once again stick their turgid tongues into Job's puckered ***** to lick out an *****)!
      • sholt, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I do believe he's talking about the iPod in that first sentence. Not that I didn't love your tirade though.
    • modestmelody, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2What are you reading? The the first sentence says iPod buddy. The iPod has had ridiculous success without some major features some feel should be standard. I'm sorry you decided to write such a quick response without actually reading my whole comment, but that's fine, digg me down.
  • kidcodea, on 10/11/2007, -18/+13no flash lol. its not a standard... as if anything owned by apple is a standard.
    only looks cool. the rest is crippled crippled crippled.
    worse , its crippled, ***** on the user and aiming solely at protecting and maximizing profit.
    • mrand01, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0"and aiming solely at protecting and maximizing profit."

      That's how businesses make money. Oh, and apple doesn't own Flash.
      • kidcodea, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1some. and thats not how u make a great product for the user. only the fanboys cant see past the glitter. dazzled they are in their allwhite design lounge.
  • Alisic, on 10/11/2007, -57/+51The iPhone doesn't seem so hot now, huh macfags?
    (bury me down!)
    • imac12, on 10/11/2007, -11/+6Damn... the hate is strong with this one. Why put others down for their excitement about a new product? Did anybody slam you for getting excited over the latest N'Sync album?
    • disciple83, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12i'll bury you down because there is no need for name-calling on top of the fanboys realizing they're spending small loans on something that will be free with a plan in two years anyway. That in itself is just worth it. I roll over laughing every time I see someone begrudgingly take out their first-gen RAZR knowing they paid $300+ for a phone they literally throw at you when you sign a contract now.
      • sgglynn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Wont have that problem if you duck while signing the contract
  • johnhummel, on 10/11/2007, -8/+29I wonder how many of these issues are because of the phone company - after all, AT&T certainly wouldn't want Apple to run off with "its" ringtone money, for example. The flash support is a lacking feature - but then again, the browser I have on my blackberry doesn't support flash either.

    What I'm hoping for is a crack in the cell phone companies, who tend to kill off features in cell phones to protect their own interests. If the iPhone can actually become a leverage device like the iPod is to music companies (as in, if you don't let us do X we won't sell the iPhone on your network, and then you're going to lose customers when our new $200 iPhone comes out), then there's a chance that we could have other players enter the market with things such as Skype support, etc.
    • insomniac8400, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1But when you advertise the full internet and not the mobile version, it makes no sense it doesn't have flash. It therefore does not really offer the full internet.
    • MCHampster, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The only two features that I personally care about are IM & GPS.

      I don't know about other people, but I use IM all the time on my Blackberry Pearl. It's a very convenient way to communicate with other people without having to enter into a complete voice conversation. It also doesn't really cost anything because it is just using the data portion of my plan. I can't believe that it is 2007 and we're still paying per text message. Those things must take all of 1KB of data to send, no? It seems like calling someone and talking to them for maybe a second is going to take more of the cell phone tower bandwidth than a hundred text messages. It's absolutely ridiculous.

      As for GPS, when I saw the Google Maps functionality, I drooled with anticipation. But without GPS, it seems almost meaningless. As others have said, there are tons of other cell phones out there that have this functionality. In fact, I believe that it is mandated now that cell phones have GPS built-in for emergency 911 access. I'm guessing the iPhone has it in there, but it's not accessible to use in Google Maps. Why? Why? Why??
    • furmanvt, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Typical. it's not Apple's fault they didnt put in the feature. No MP3 ringtones. At least until they open the Itunes ringtone store to squeeze a few more bucks out of your wallet. Heaven forbid you use the music you already purchased
    • afruff23, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1AT&T/Cingular have nothing to do with it. they don't cripple phones like Verizon does.
  • BrandNewJesus, on 10/11/2007, -10/+42No songs as ring tones! sorry, that's a deal breaker for me.
    That's just cingulars way of making you pay $2.50 for a 15 sec sound clip. ***** THAT!
    • 1337zork, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Most phone you just put your own MP3 on .. people who buy short clips for a lot of money are just dumb >_
    • Gizmort, on 10/11/2007, -5/+3You're a ***** if THAT is your DEAL BREAKER! Go buy a Blackjack you NOOB
    • proghead, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6why do people want songs as ringtones anyway? just so you can show off to your "homies" and go yo man, check it out! its playin' sexy back!

      i keep my phone on vibrate like a normal person. i can tell when its ringing even when i'm listening to music, and i don't annoy the ***** out of people areound me.

      in my opinion, this is a step in the right direction!
    • Chickenlip, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The reason its a big deal is because they are purposely holding back a feature that would be easy for them to implement, just so some other greedy company can make $$ selling you ringtones ...

      It's the principal of it.

      All of you people saying that no mp3 ringtones is a good thing because they are annoying ... you dont get it.
  • renegadeafk, on 10/11/2007, -10/+110The iPhone can't use a song as a ringtone? About any crappy cellphone can do that.
    • airquotes, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1What does it matter, it will be hacked and doing that in the first 3 months, the existing architecture will allow for all these things to be added 3rd party
      • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Why must one hack a $600 "Jesus Phone" in order to give it features any standard $20 phone from 4 years ago has?
      • WhiteRaven, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1We are talking about a cell phone. It's one of the most common pieces of equipment there is, used by billions of people. *Hacking* is something pursued by a relatively small number of people. When evaluating a cell phone, you can't simply dismiss an issue by saying it can be hacked... most people don't hack and "most people" is the only valid basis for evaluating a cell phone.
    • m4csrgh3yk3v, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1back to crazy frog
    • gordonf238, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2It's a welcome feature. Try being stuck on a bus with a fat kid whose Beyonce ringtone goes off every 10 minutes.
    • Jugalator, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It'd be crappy even with a regular pricing, then you consider the $600 price that one keep forgetting when discussing this horrible feature set, along with the people queing for the phone, and it just blows your mind.
    • jeriqo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Exactly!
      My Nokia can use monochrome 72px*14px logos as background, and the iPhone can't even do that!
      OMG!
  • fffizzz, on 10/15/2007, -8/+82No games? What else am I supposed to do while taking a *****? My Treo 750, Solitaire is the best when in the bathroom.
    • Braxo, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5I do the same with my Blackberry 8700c.
    • airquotes, on 10/11/2007, -3/+16remind me not to borrow your phones
    • lbradeen, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8i have to agree. i used to be a quick *****, then i got my 750.
    • chazuk, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Absolutely.

      My N95 with its PowerVR MBX = loads of fun on the toilet.
    • pimpzilla, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Agreed. Although I don't play games, I surf the internet on the toilet. 3G on my Samsung i730 has ruined my attention span. One more thing iPhone owners won't have to worry about, since surfing at dial up speeds isn't worth doing.
    • proghead, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1uh... its called Teh Internets....
      • tnoy, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Yeah, who needs games when there are all those flash based ones to play... oh wait..
    • wastern, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I'll be watching feature films while taking a *****. you can have your little solitaire game
      • pimpzilla, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I've been watching movies on my Windows Mobile phone for three years. Not while taking a *****, though. If it takes you two hours to take a *****, you might want to consult a doctor.
    • ncaauwe, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3YouTube and teh real tubes of the net aren't better than solitaire? If you have a wireless network in your house, you're set.
    • Jugalator, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7As for the bathroom, I think you're supposed to masturbate to its UI.
    • Yuo122986, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Oh thank god I'm not alone! You know its easier to ***** when you're having fun ^_^
    • twistee, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I presume they will release games like they do for the iPod...guess you will have to buy them.
  • Cyberaktif, on 10/11/2007, -10/+31Jesus my HTC does all of that and has no DRM issues.

    Well I shouldn't say it is a suprise.
    • tamaker, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I was just thinking the same thing.
    • bradleyland, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I really don't know why anyone who is willing to drop $500-$600 on a phone wouldn't look at foreign models and import a phone. HTC has some really great offerings.
    • ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Your HTC possibly have Windows Media Mobile and that thing has DRM support to the edge. I agree to the HTC while I would buy a Nokia N90 but don't be fooled, there is DRM everywhere unless you buy a Linux device with source available.
  • henchmen, on 10/11/2007, -7/+3It would be great to know what features can be added later by software update (maybe MMS, instant messaging, songs as ringtones, video recording). Confirmation of this might help some buyers who are wavering about a purchase.
    • ilgaz, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Why should they add them? Didn't you see people already lining up for it while it lacks 1999 features?
    • phpfreak, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1All of them can be added via software updates. 3G can be added if its radio supports it.
  • clemsontigers, on 10/11/2007, -4/+17Does anyone have the link to the article posted yesterday which was a 5 page PDF that Sprint gave its employees about how to persuade customers not to buy the iPhone? I want to send it to a friend