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What it's really like to switch to a Mac

utilware.com — Poke around the net for a while searching for information on what it ’s like to switch to a Mac, and you’ll quickly get a face full of hyperbole, zealots, platform bigots, feature weenies, and naysayers - from both the Windows and Mac camps. But there are precious few places to get an honest word about what it’s like to switch...

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  • fishgeekva, on 10/12/2007, -56/+33912 You'll regret your purchase, but you'll get over it.
    Everyone I have known to switch has only recomended it to others.
    • drwtsn32, on 10/12/2007, -204/+80Yeah, that's because they are trying to convince themselves that it was the right move.
    • axiomflash, on 10/12/2007, -43/+244i switched a couple months back. very reluctantly. i can only say positive things about the experience. in fact i tell others my mac is a 'lifestyle improvement tool'. absolutely no regrets.
    • rarkai, on 10/12/2007, -46/+206I made the switch 3 years ago, and I cannot recommend it enough.
    • JDWTC, on 10/12/2007, -114/+31Wow, so if we go to other sites on the internet, we get blog spam, but if we go to YOUR site we get the honest truth?!? THANKS FOR A LINK TO YOUR BLOG!!
    • ucbrave92, on 10/12/2007, -24/+113I have to say the same. While I still use my PC for some things, mostly gaming, all of my important functions I have now began doing solely on my mac as I find that I am simply more productive when working in the OS X environment.
    • JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -32/+162Yep, I have NEVER heard of anyone regretting their Mac purchase.

      Every single person who I've seen switch in the last couple years has said the same thing to me. "It's just so much BETTER!".

      I'm not saying Mac is better in every way, I'm agnostic on this one. I use both all day long. But I do prefer to use my Mac.
    • r0ck3tm4nn, on 10/12/2007, -15/+70One thing missing is networking, especially with windows computers. It works...I can't say its better, but it could be improved upon. My only other gripe is no universal binary version of Office and Photoshop, but that will all be fixed in a few months.

      After 9 months of use I can say there are some things Windows does really well...and there are other things OS X does really well. Neither is way better, but the functionality of OS X fits my preferences better so I use OS X.
    • pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -101/+18Buried as spam.
    • pluggedout, on 10/12/2007, -12/+30I would second that. I don't know many people that have Macs (I work for a MS development house), but those that do speak well of them.
    • nogami, on 10/12/2007, -16/+80Or in my case, you buy a Macbook and you switch between windows and OS-X and use both.

      Who cares what OS you use - just pick whatever is necessary for the task you're currently doing. When that task is over, move to the next task and choose again.

      This isn't a religion folks (thank goodness).
    • Bamont, on 10/12/2007, -12/+51You want an honest opinion from someone who was a PC Fan-boy for years? It's not that hard to come by, and many people I've met are extreme in their choice of PC or MAC. They love one and hate the other - but they normally feel that way without having ever tried the alternative.

      I love both my PC and my Mac - I need them both. They're both great products, and too be honest, I don't think one could prosper without the other one's existance.
    • skilless, on 10/12/2007, -17/+10@nogami: choosing the right OS will complete the task sooner and more easily. So choose wisely.
    • birch25, on 10/12/2007, -13/+60i switched 2 years ago and i have to say this list is really pretty accurate. the club part especially; i definitely started to notice who else had macs and instantly felt a tiny bond with them. it was weird, but it still happens to this day.

      i don't know if everyone gets mocked though. the only person who gave me a hard time was my roommate who's a comp sci major and was big on windows because it's "mature" and macs are for kids. he's lived with me and my powerbook for almost 2 years now and he's ready to buy a new computer. guess what brand he's getting :)
    • thcobbs, on 10/12/2007, -13/+16As a caveat....

      If you want to know if you really like macs, don't buy one second hand. The one I bought had bad, user upgraded ram(read, no apple warranty on the ram) and caused no end of trouble. Now, after that experience, my wife won't even touch it, so now I'm getting the ram replaced and selling it again.
    • adc86, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15@Barmont

      As far as the extremists on both sides, I know what you mean-- I know a guy who's status on iChat the other day was "Happy Birthday Steve Jobs!" Kinda makes me a bit sick. That said, I don't hate Windows now, but that's mainly because I'm not using it. You get this strange "Switching back" kinda feeling, and its rather disabling.
    • expunged, on 10/12/2007, -16/+53As a comment to some of the above postings, I switched to a Mac from linux a little over 2 years ago. I used it for about a year, and then switched back. I found it frustrating and lacking in a lot of ways and, over time, realized that I just didn't like it.

      Off the top of my head and in no particular order, here are some of the reasons why:

      * I have ripped my entire music collection to FLAC format. FLAC is supported on the Mac, but only peripherally. Yes, there are old players like MacFlac and there is a FLAC library for the Mac, but FLAC doesn't integrate into OS X. A new version of Quicktime breaks a FLAC plugin, and suddenly I can't listen to my music using iTunes anymore. I also can't really do much else with my music without bringing in all sorts of outside applications and packages because of the way OS X is built. Apple pushes how smoothly everything works together- and it really does- as long as you use Apple solutions.

      * Java support, at least then. was problematic. It was there, but you were completely reliant on Apple for your JRE or SDK. Want JDK1.5? Sorry, gonna have to wait until we get around to it. Yes, I know 1.5 is out _now_ for Macs, but the point is that I shouldn't have to be dependent on Apple to decide what Java version I'd like to run or develop with.

      * Maybe I'm spoiled after so many years of using linux, but I found OS X lacking in certain tools. Text editors are a good example. Why on earth should I pay money for a text editor? Some of the best in the world are available for free under linux, yet some company wants to charge me an arm and a leg because their editor has syntax highlighting? I'm aware of (and even used) fink to get some packages I wanted, and it's a neat idea, but I don't want to have to set up separate X servers to do work. I'm lazy.

      * Games. There just weren't very many. After investing in an expensive Mac system, I was hoping to be able to do at least a little gaming. There are some good games out there for the Mac, but the pickings are pretty slim.

      * Fish. I really was hoping Finder had the capability to work like Konquerer and Fish. Alas, it doesn't.


      I guess the whole thing left me feeling just ho-hum. It sure looks pretty, but that was about it for me- looks will only get you so far. Overall, Macs are well-built machines- I still find myself looking at macbooks from time to time. But then I remember that, once I have it, I have a hard time actually _doing_ anything I want to do with it.
    • diulei, on 10/12/2007, -9/+18I've never heard of someone regretting their Mac purchase (I love my Mac, though I'm not a 'switcher' - it runs windows too), but I'm thinking part of the reason (definitely not all), is they want to make themselves feel better for spending so much money.
    • Tyr7BE, on 10/12/2007, -7/+16Absolutely. It took a whole 3 days for me to familiarize myself with the environment. I've found it trumps anything I can put on Windows, and most of the shells available for Linux. I recommend it to my tech friends because of the unix backend, and to my parents because it's pretty self-explanatory.

      Another beef I have with the article is "13 You'll be amazed at how little there is to modify". It should be re-written "13 You'll be amazed at how little there is to modify, should you choose not to modify anything". OS X is based off of FreeBSD...it's FreeBSD with a bunch of the unix tools ripped out in favour of apple tools (ie, apple has put in their own init framework, and re-jogged a few of the default locations, and quite a few other things, but it's still BSD at heart). Trust me, there are ALL KINDS of things to modify if you want to get your hands dirty. However, if you're not the type to try to do that, you can happily get by with virtually zero configuration via the GUI. I've found that when I'm in a tinkering mood, my mac is almost as good a toy as my Linux box.
    • Odweaver, on 10/12/2007, -6/+15Occasionally I regret it for gaming reasons, then some calamity hits my gaming machine and I remember why I went with a mac.
    • fpssledge, on 10/12/2007, -9/+48#23, you'll have gaming withdrawls

      Come to think of it, I havn't had a virus on my PC for quite some time now. I use bittorrents, p2p programs, etc. And still, havn't had a virus in a long time. Even when I did have them, it was just as simple as making a scan and away it goes. I think the whole perspective on the viruses-for-PCs arguement needs to be tuned down a bit.
    • etx313, on 10/12/2007, -11/+10I absolutely regret it. The feature set and annoyances (mostly lack of applications) outweigh the benefits. But OS X is NextStep + BSD, a killer combo.

      Yes, I'm just mad I cannot run Premiere Pro 2 on my mac. :)
    • datisit, on 10/12/2007, -10/+37My story of when i got a mac.(Might not be very well written but I'm only 13...:) )

      I got a mac about 2 years ago because our PC box decided to openly invite in all spy-ware, viruses and whatever else rubbish that came through the flood gates.
      I was only 11 years old and didn't know anything about computing what so ever. My dad told me about the Macintosh and i agreed not really knowing what it was.
      When my dad took the iMac G5 box out of the carrier bag i was sold. The box looked so inviting. I wanted to open it but i was told to sit and watch. When it was out and standing on the table i was quite confused.
      "Where's the box?" i asked, and even my mom was confused. At the time i didn't realize that the whole computer was inside what i though to be i really thin display. (Our old computer was a tiny and was absolutely massive. Think it only had about 256m ram...)
      The moment it turned on and the create account process started i was almost tingling the anticipation. My dad created an account and we logged on. The desktop was so clean and fresh and i was amazed when the dock came up and the menu bar came down.
      I always thought that IE was 'The Internet' and when i could not find this icon i had grown to know i now wondered where the 'Internet looker' was. I soon found out that everything in OS X is self explanatory. I found in the dock what looked to be a compass, "for navigating" i figured. All the other icons, the same. A postage stamp, a CD with a double quaver on it, a calender date, a smiley face which when i clicked on brought me to the 'My Computer' equal which when hovered over told me it was the 'Finder'. And of cause, a panel with i light switch and the apple logo on with to me meant something along the lines of 'flick the switch to see more or behind the scenes'.

      2 years down the line since then and now i am absolutely hooked on everything apple, computing and gageting. I leaned pretty quick to not be afraid of messing with settings and open every window just to find out more whereas most of my friends are like
      "oh no!!!! i clicked something and something happened!!! I must have a VIRUS!!!"---I'd probably quote an apple commercial :).
      When asked what apple are, my friends say "Oh, you mean iPod?" They no practically nothing about apple and when i told them what a mac was they just laughed and told me about their new Acer or Dell not knowing that really that's just what is printed on the box and it's what specifications it has that actually accounts for the speed.
      That was my story on the coming of the mac into my life. It's a pretty short version as i can't be bothered to write anymore and Newsfire just bounced telling me I've got 5 new articles.

      DC
    • sancho, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6fpssledge:
      Maybe you're above average. I work in intrusion detection, and let me tell you, we deal with infected Windows machines on a daily basis. It's almost an uphill battle.

    • turpenine, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11I regret my purchase of an ibook because I like to play wow and would have been much more capable of doing so on an imac or similar price.
    • ahawks, on 10/12/2007, -7/+33I like this chain of comments here. It's like a giant Mac circle jerk. The one guy who pointed out a negative experience (thcobbs, at -1 when I read through) got buried and everyone toting how they love their Mac are at 20+.
    • pixelbender, on 10/12/2007, -7/+22#23. Apple isn't Dell when it comes to warranties.

      With Apple you call them, get the box the next day and send it off that day, and usually have your item back 2 days later. Oh, and they speak English on the phone.
    • ncaauwe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5"Yes, I'm just mad I cannot run Premiere Pro 2 on my mac. :)"

      Just wait until this summer or so, it's coming back =) I'm a Final Cut guy myself, but I work a full time job editing in Premiere Pro 2.0 on PCs. The return of the Adobe Production Suite has actually got my boss talking about switching the studio over to Macs =D
    • boybunny, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3We are switchers and have generally good things to say.

      We do have warnings for people we talk to now who are thinking of buying their first Mac. We ask what they will be doing with their machine. A graphics power user will have no problem if they keep a Windows server for file management. A home user will love being only on Mac. Some Windows programs cant even be emulated, In the rare case of this, the extra cost of Windows needs to be considered. A File collector or someone who likes to play games or watch digital media will find Macs too frustrating (There are many file formats the Mac will just not play, even with recommended applications like Flip4Mac).

      Finally we have noticed a nasty little "gotchya" for switchers. Most switchers don't have regular contact with other Mac users and takes them 12 months or more to join a MUG or make Mac friends, at least in our part of the world. We got burned by not realising that our first Mac (Powerbook) had a faulty screen that was less than 50% as bright as other screens, even after tweaking all the screen settings. We have been given a Mac recently by other switchers who gave up. These family members got too frustrated because of the lack of USB ports on the Mac Mini they had. The interesting thing is that they had the 20 inch cinema display with the powered USB hub on the back. They did not realise the screen was faulty and assumed it was something they were doing wrong. So these people lived with 2 USB ports on a machine that needs one taken by the keyboard (yes it has USB ports, but it shuts them down if you connect anything more than a mouse) so the machine had one available USB port. This machine, like most has been diagnosed with the hardware problem it was shipped with JUST AFTER the 12 month warrantee. We hope that the soon to be built Apple Store (the first in Australia) will have a Mac Genius who will fix this problem with the screen... We have heard good things about Mac Geniuses, but are they good enough to fix a screen that needs repair 18 months after sale? It will take them 6 months before it opens.

      So we recommend that people only buy a Mac if they know someone with macs who can check the machine over for them. Too many ship with faults. We have had 4 Macs now and every one was shipped to us with critical faults. We are wondering if faulty machines are shipped out of USA to be sold as new machines in places like Australia.
    • schoate09, on 10/12/2007, -10/+18I switched at Panther, and Just switched back to Vista on Jan 30th. And I'm glad. Macs were good, not really more stable for me, but they were overpriced.

      My $550 system, with 19" Widescreen could beat the ***** out of a $1200 iMac. Vista works well enough, and I feel more productive actually. OSX gets released for PC, maybe I'll slap it on a dual boot on my monster rig. Till then, bye bye Apple.
    • etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -10/+2401 People will ridicule you for having a Mac

      Like people don't ridicule you for owning Windows, or running Linux. It happens all over.

      02 You'll feel like you're in a little club

      This is part of the "elitist Mac owner" attitude most people refer to. Mac people are rabid with Mac fanatacism. That's not a bad thing, but it's not a good thing either.

      03 People will help you for no reason

      I've owned a couple of Macs for quite some time. While people were not necessarily unfriendly, they weren't any more or less helpful than those in Windows circles.

      04 Fewer people will try to attack you

      The virus thing is absolutely true. However, since installing Windows XP I can count exactly... zero times that my computer has been infected with a virus. Spyware is likely more prevalent, but that comes with the territory when you take up so much of the desktop user market... and I can live with that.

      06 You'll have some compatibility problems

      More importantly, you'll have a much narrower choice in software, and virtually no choice when it comes to choice games.

      08 You'll be continually amazed at the fit and finish

      I do (guiltily) care about the aesthetic look of my toys... and Apple certainly excels at modern design. I often find their design overly simplistic, and some PC manufacturers and case designers are creating beautiful designs of their own... but I'll admit Apple has a real edge here.

      09 You'll have a few "damn it!" moments

      I seem to have more.

      10 You'll have some "ah-ha" moments

      Ah-ha moments happen anywhere where you're learning something and doing cool stuff, and all OS's let you do cool stuff.

      12 You'll regret your purchase, but you'll get over it

      I was the other way around. I only regretted the purchase later on, when I began to realize that I couldn't achieve (as easily) what I could on my PC, which is now my main machine... and when that gaming support never materialized.

      13 You'll be amazed at how little there is to modify

      I like modifying.

      14 You'll actually have to plan your reboots

      The PC has now been running for 2 weeks without a reboot, and was hoping for longer on the Mac, but it seemed to need it in about the same intervals.

      ...I congratulate the list for noting both the good points and bad points of owning (or switching) to a Mac, but some of them just don't ring true to me, and I happen to own a PC running Windows/Ubuntu and an iMac.
    • Asianne, on 10/12/2007, -10/+3@fpssledge

      At least you "think" you haven't had a virus on your pc for quite some time..

      The whole Mac over Windows due to less virus attacks is old btw. It used to be a reason I switched, but over time it has become less important to the really neat stuff - like getting things done correctly the first time - all without the need for third-party hacks, which seems to almost always be a necessity.

      On Money Spent - Sure you do spend more for hardware with Apple, you also have a higher value at the end of the year than a Dell laptop. In addition - software would be more expensive - hacks, cracks, malware induced cd key generators are more widely produced for Windows. Owning a mac gives you a sense of ownership and pride in a tool you will use for a long period of time - so you tend to shy away from the usual torrent and p2p sharing and go right for the boxed software with it's personal serial key, because it's just the right thing to do. Doing it any other way would render it, just another (windows) computer.
    • rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2Most people kick themselves for not switching quicker.
    • chowderdick, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9Well, what are you going to say? "I'm a complete tool who just blew $2000 on a machine that is essentially priced for looks."
    • foolfromhell, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7My friend spent like $2500 on an iMac G5, thinking he only wanted to play Blizzard games,
      now he regrets his decision, and bought another computer for other games.
      One thing you need to consider before buying one is to game or not to game.
      Unless its only WoW/ Starcraft/ other
    • pouwerkerk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I can't agree with 12 either, having been a Mac switcher for 3 years, but this is still the most honest, realistic and unbiased account of switching to the Mac platform that I have ever read.

      +kudos to Bill Westerman for maintaining a level head for the last 4 years--not drinking the kool-aid, which I sometimes felt tempted to and did.
    • mixmastabob, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I regretted my purchase for about a week, the initial week of frustration of not having everything where you want it. After that, however, I loved it...
    • rluecke, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2Not everyone advocates switching. This video explains it all:

      http://www.vidaday.com/random/why-macs-suck/
    • jeff303, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@etruscan

      As a happy recent switcher, I mostly agree with your post. But in my view, spyware fits the definition of virus. It's some kind of executable code that plants itself on my system without my permission to serve its own purpose (although it may be relatively benign).
    • etruscan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Yeah, and admittedly I have been hit with a few pieces of spyware/malware on Windows; I won't lie. Having said that, however, it has been a while since I've had a problem with spyware or any kind of "virus". I'm talking... years. I'm not pulling my hair out wondering how to deal with my spyware problem, or anything... but at the same time, I recognize that as rarely as I get "infected", it is less likely to happen on my Mac.

      But like I said before... being a target for malicious code comes with the popularity of the system. It's not necessarily that a Mac or Linux system is more secure. I'm a firm believer that if 90% of desktops ran OSX, and the remainder was split up between Windows and Linux, the story would be the other way around.
    • randall814, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@rluecke

      The guy in that video is way off base. Plus, it sounds like he is using OS 8 or something.

      1. Power button doesn't work? What the *****?
      2. Shutting down programs? Software rarely crashes on a Mac, and when it does, it is just straight up with you: "Word has unexpectedly quit." Would you like to reopen, or report the error? On Windows, you get "Unhandled Exception at xx32525ccxe3" or "rundll2323232rn2n3oun is not responding." What the hell is that supposed to mean?
      3. Clicking and dragging always works 100% on a Mac, at least for me. And it is actually a preferred way of doing things. Want to send a file to a friend on your choice instant messaging client? Drag and drop it. Want to crack Photoshop? Drag and drop. Want to open that video file you just downloaded? Drag it to your dock, drop it on Quicktime. Want to take files off that flashdrive? Drag them to your choice folder, and drop them. It works flawlessly.
      4. CD tray? What tray?
      5. "If you know what you're doing in DOS, you can do anything." Command = Terminal. And what general computer user knows how to effectively use DOS/Terminal? Less than 1%
      6. Norton Utilities? What self respecting PC owner would ever use a resource hogging piece of Norton *****?
      7. He made everything on a Mac because Vegas Video is a piece of *****.
      8. Mac killed his inner child? When he was a kid, Apple was reinventing personal computers. When I was a kid, the school systems only used Mac.
      9. This professional "editor" should probably start making his videos with something other than a Sony Handycam VHS-C. I don't care if this was a joke. It wasn't even funny.
  • dizzyedge, on 10/12/2007, -204/+40Not everyone Mac owner is a fag. But every fag is a Mac owner.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -55/+38Hey Dizzy, how about you go join your brainless buddies in the new Microsoft section of Digg?
    • cornswalled, on 10/12/2007, -96/+21@dizzyedge

      So, macs are popular with sexual deviants and pedophiles?

      Glad I use a PC.

      Linux is for communists
      Mac is for Hippies
      PC is for business and real work.
    • totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -22/+50Poor dizzyedge, can't seem to get over obsessing about gay people :p
    • confusednazgul, on 10/12/2007, -23/+69Wait, when did homophobia become cool?
    • dizzyedge, on 10/12/2007, -88/+17@confusednazgul
      When did faggotry become cool?
    • JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -16/+22Diggbigot.

    • CedanticPunt, on 10/12/2007, -16/+17@dizzyedge

      +block
    • 8177, on 10/12/2007, -10/+54What if I use windows on my intel mac? Does that make me a Bisexual or a hypocrite?
    • senseigmg, on 10/12/2007, -11/+9Nice way to earn a block.
    • dizzyedge, on 10/12/2007, -38/+7What..you mean people aren't born liking Macs? Like fags are born with a gay gene & child molestors are born with a chld molesting gene?
    • 21.0, on 10/12/2007, -22/+6The number of negative commentdiggs on dizzyedge's comment=the number of gays on digg.
    • captaineuphoria, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Some block-justice is in order to get rid of these pathetic gay-obsessed tools.
    • SnuKs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6It's sad.. dizzy only has balls big enough to admit he's a homophobic bigot from the safety of his PC.

      I'm sure this guy wouldn't pull a Tim Hardaway and announce how he truly feels about gay people in public.
    • dizzyedge, on 10/12/2007, -21/+7Why should I not discriminate against gays? I'll tolerate them..but they won't get equal treatment from me. How are they any different that child molestors. Just cause it's more socially acceptable to ***** your life partner while doing a podcast on your Mac..doesn't mean it's right.
    • dizzyedge2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0LOL...that's a lot of dirty faggots on digg!
  • finkployd, on 10/12/2007, -49/+18iweb makes really crappy pages. I couldn't read it in Firefox. Had to switch to IE to read annoying thing and skipped it because of it.
    • Raluph, on 10/12/2007, -29/+40I used iWeb with no problems. My pages showed up in every browser and OS I called them up on. I guess you're just a douche.
    • finkployd, on 10/12/2007, -8/+74Wow. I guess I am. Thanks for setting me straight there.
    • Raluph, on 10/12/2007, -19/+31No prob.
    • jarinudom, on 03/31/2008, -6/+24I'm as big a Mac fan as any, but I can't stand iWeb. I use Rapidweaver instead :)

      I laughed at that article, because it was spot-on hehe
    • zweben, on 10/12/2007, -2/+27While you should be able to use iWeb pages in every browser, as a web designer I must say, they do suck.

      The load times are about 10x what they should be, because it makes damn near everything an image. (including body text sometimes)

      It's still version 1 though, so i'm sure they'll improve it.
    • MomoTheCow, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5iWeb, in my experience, is so effortless and intuitive to use and the finished product looks so good that it's hard to switch to another program even after you realize that the pages you make load at a snail's pace and often look terrible due to features lacking on IE (but not Firefox).
    • MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3My only real problem with iWeb is its lack of FTP support so if you use it you're locked into using .mac for hosting. I don't really care that the pages load a little (OK a lot) slower as it doesn't seem to make much difference with high-speed access.

      Another gripe is that you can't easily use two different computers to edit the page (unless you continuously swap the iWeb library file back and forth) so when I update it via my iMac, the changes aren't reflected in my laptop. You should be able to download the changed file when logged into .mac so you can edit away from home. This is still version one however, so I imagine it will get better.

      It is very customizable using the blank pages and I like how it deals with updating blogs and podcasts so easily. A few minor tweaks and Apple will have a real hit. It isn't for those that like to get down and dirty with HTML, but for just a casual web page maker (like me) it works out pretty well.
    • toasty, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@macparrot

      I don't have .mac, but found out that you can publish your iWebsite to a folder (File -> Publish to a folder) to upload wherever you wish.
    • MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thanks toasty. You're absolutely correct and I had forgotten that. You can publish to a folder and then use any FTP program to upload, but then you lose comments and I believe all the auto-updating support built into iWeb for blogs (which I also use for news and reviews). Also visit count goes away as does email support. You can certainly add those things easily enough with another program, but then if you have to go that route, why bother using iWeb? Use RapidWeaver or another page creation program.

      But you were right and I had forgotten that.
  • surrealitytl, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6@axiomflash
    so basically you're saying macs get you laid.
    fair enough
  • Schrodinger, on 10/12/2007, -76/+38I'm not a microsoft fan, but the whole subculture, arrogance, and fanaticism of mac users that digg has exposed me to in the comments and links has convinced me never to buy a mac. After this post I'm blocking the apple section.
    • Raluph, on 10/12/2007, -28/+36And the world weeps.

      NOT.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -24/+64"After this post I'm blocking the apple section."

      On behalf of Mac users everywhere, I say thank you.

      P.S. hate to interrupt your comfortable stereotyping, but the subculture of diehard Windows users is hardly an improvement, as you can see by our friend dizzyedge's comment above.
    • r0ck3tm4nn, on 10/12/2007, -12/+21Because every Mac user in the world posts on Digg? Kind of narrow minded if you ask me but, whatever.
    • MomoTheCow, on 10/12/2007, -7/+52As a current satisfied owner of an iMac, I have an insider's understanding of why Mac users can be so enamored by their machines that they almost come across as fanatical. I catch myself being like this sometimes.

      As a former PC user, though, I can also understand why so many people want to punch loud Mac evangelists in the face.
    • skilless, on 10/12/2007, -12/+22"I can also understand why so many people want to punch loud Mac evangelists in the face"

      It's not because all Mac users are annoying, it's because no one wants to be told they're wrong. No one, not even the guy that just ran a red light an killed your puppy. No one.

      Lots of Mac users are very nice about talking on the benefits of their platform, however, since no one wants to be told they're wrong, most people take it in the worst way possible. Especially when, after spending a few nights fixing some problem (virus, wireless network, etc), they're the mac users might be right.
    • Slovenian6474, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Open-minded windows user here. I'd have to agree with Schrodinger on the part that the biggest downside to Apple is the arrogant zealots. But I've been looking into it more and it seems the Apple zealots make up a rather small, but loud, percentage of the Apple community. I'm willing to guess that, as a windows only user, that loud part makes it seem more like 95% of the community even though probably 80-90% are rational non-arrogant users.

      I like how the guy in the article laid it out flat. Good and bad things mentioned. I'm thinking when my laptop starts going over the hill, i might just cover my eye, plug my nose, and take the plung into the Apple side.
    • 3dom, on 10/12/2007, -2/+9It's a bit rash to block apple stories and never consider buying a mac based on the opinions of a few users, sure. But you have to admit this apple craze/obsession is really irritating. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind so much people going mad for a product, it's just the inherent assumption that macs are better for all purposes, and that windows/linux users are idiots. I use all three so I just see them as different tools for different purposes: windows for basic home/coursework use, macs for music tech at university, and linux recreationally for experimenting with writing my own software and educating myself about systems.
    • spoonyluv, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11@skillless

      ....you mean wrong because I choose a platform that allows me to do my work like administring Windows networks and play games? wrong because I need and want to be familiar with what the 90%+ of the world is running for various reasons?

      I find many Mac users annoying because, like you, they can't accept that a glossy finish to both hardware and software doesn't make it the best choice for everyone. And just because someone has chosen to run Windows doesn't make them blind, ignorant or wrong.

      People like you are Apple's biggest enemy.
    • naio21, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9slovenian6474, zealots can make a small percentage of Apple community on the real world, but NOT here on Digg. The bias and noise they produce are so unbearable that I started to hate everything Apple related.

      And the sad part of it is that I was once interested in Mac-related technologies. But not anymore. The zealots propaganda had the opposite effect on me.
    • Platypus3333, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8It's all well and good to discuss the benefits of your platform. However, I have noticed that this has increasingly gone hand in hand with bashing the other side, and often it seems malicious. As Slovenian said, the people responsible for this could be a very small but vocal faction of the Mac userbase- but ultimately that may very well be all that people can see. Furthering this problem is that even Apple's own advertisements are based on humor at the Windows user's expense. It's all too easy for someone from the outside to assume that all Mac users are fixated on insulting Windows.

      Furthermore, I use both a mac and pc, and appreciate them both. I like them both, and I can accept that someone could make a reasonable decision to use one without denigrating the other. I would hardly say one choice is "wrong" while the other is "correct."

      Therein lies the problem. You're telling a pc user he's "wrong," but really, he isn't- you're ASSUMING he is wrong and you are right, and arguing wholeheartedly from that perspective. In a very real sense it is analogous to religious evangelizing- people who refuse to agree are either ignorant, or know that you're right and are just being stubborn out of spite. This is not a productive attitude, especially with a subject where arguably there are pros and cons on both sides and ultimately it may come down to personal preference.
    • Slovenian6474, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@naio21

      Actually, the zealots have the same effect on me as you. They push people away from the product they're praising. Apple themselves tend to encourage it.

      I've never had a mac so I might just like to try it out. The merits of the system and OS is a plus, even though I'll still dislike Mac zealots and Apple's commercial attitude (even though i think they're funny). There is always something wrong or that you'd like to change about an operating system. If you can't find one, you come across as being very biased and it's hard to really consider anything you're saying at all.

      I can't try going ALL mac since i need some software that's windows only, and i love games. But changing my portable computer to a Mac couldn't hurt as long as i have my desktop for a fail-safe.
    • antareus, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Amusing how people always agree that it is unfair to generalize against Apple users because a few act like morons, but the same reasoning is not held to religions around here.

      Totally off-topic I know, but just an observation.
    • Rekzai, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6After all my 5 years of using a PC why haven't I ever seen these blue screens you guys talk so much about, or all these viruses ??

      Maybe you just don't know how to use a computer..
    • postaldave, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1STFU windows!
  • CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -44/+29What's it like?

    Sit down at your pc. Turn it on. Pretend nothing you have is compatible with it. Log on to digg and start harassing windows users. There you go, full mac experience.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -20/+23"Log on to digg and start harassing windows users." - cbtf

      Ah, just like you're harassing Mac users now? There you go. Full PC experience.

      P.S. there's a new Microsoft section on Digg, cbtf. Go hang with your ignorant Mac-hating buddies there.
    • devo6273, on 10/12/2007, -10/+17I don't understand why there is such a stigma against macs. When I bought mine, yeah I was a little afraid that there would be programs that would be windows only, but in reality I've had very little issues with that. Of course I've moved away from PC gaming and gone to consoles, so that made the switch easier. I think the one thing that really stands out for me is the fact that OS X has never crashed on me. Sure, sometimes programs like Office or Adium lock up, but the OS itself has never died.

      Unfortunately, I can't say the same for windows. Blue screens, system freeze from program errors... they happen. I'm not saying that Windows is terrible, I'm just saying I've had my share of data loss from inexplicable crashes. Maybe just try putting away your "OSist" feelings and trying out a mac for a decent amount of time. The little things that worried me disappeared. Now "regular" laptops feel mighty strange because I can't do a two finger trackpad right click.
    • adc86, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Cue elite PC user stating "ZOMGZ you have to be an idiot to have a BSOD on XP"
    • CBTF, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8"Ah, just like you're harassing Mac users now? There you go. Full PC experience."

      Almost. I play games after I bother you people. :D
    • GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2@devo6273

      Don't compare Windows ME with OSX.
    • j_bellone, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Man, I just bought my MacBook last week and it has crashed on me more than my Windows box had in a year. I think the total count is about five in a week. And it seems with every single Apple update I need to do a restart -- I stigma that is always being placed on Windows. I love the laptop though and at first I regretted spending that much money on a laptop. But I know at least its going to last me a hell of a lot longer than a $800 Dell. So there's a bit of a weight difference you need to take into consideration. But OS X is far from flawless.

      I just find it interesting that it crashes more on closed hardware than Windows XP does on open hardware.
    • devo6273, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@GawtMilk

      I used windows 2000 up until about 3 years ago, and then finally switched to XP then. While XP was certainly way more stable than 2000, it is not without its problems.
  • velocitychannel, on 10/12/2007, -6/+69>>You'll have a few moments where you really, really wish you had purchased that Dell laptop for $399, and you'll seriously consider taking the Mac back to the store, but eventually you'll get over it and wonder what the hell you were thinking.

    I know plenty of people who regret buying a $399 laptop from Dell. You get what you pay for.
    • PleaseJustDie, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32I bought a 1500 dollar dell laptop, died 3 days after the warranty expired. I'll never purchase another laptop from dell.
    • LJRod82, on 10/12/2007, -2/+24In all honesty, Dell sucks and I'm a PC person.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5"In all honesty, Dell sucks and I'm a PC person."
      Ha ha - funniest comment on this whole page!
    • spoonyluv, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6'In all honesty' blanket statements suck.

      there are horror stories to be found about every vendor, including Apple. If you are looking for the one vendor who's products, software or hardware will never disappoint or fail right after their warranty, I pity you.
    • LJRod82, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@spoonyluv

      If I lied about Dell would that make it better?
    • SleeStaK911, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Right. Digg down the guy who says that blanket statements suck. Brilliant.
    • sv650touring, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Dell sucks, and I'm typing this on a Dell.
    • LJRod82, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0@SleeStaK911

      I dug him and you up because we all need a little digging every now and again.
    • thtroyer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Hmm... I'm starting to think I'm the only one with a positive experience with a Dell.

      e1505 laptop, dual-core, nvidia graphics, runs Ubuntu perfect. :D
  • totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -3/+35Why switch? I use both on a daily basis. Thinking about setting up Ubuntu too.
    • bendedavis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11how easy would it be to setup a dual boot with ubuntu on a macbook? It would support Beryl right?
    • totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2bendedavis,
      I'm running XP in Parallels, and hope to try Ubuntu the same way. Not sure about actually dual booting a la BootCamp though.
    • arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5@ bendedavis

      I set up a dual boot on my iMac with Ubuntu. It was really easy. I have a 500GB external hard drive. I copied my home folder from OS X to the external drive then put in the OS X disc to reinstall. Create 2 partitions and put OS X on one and leave the other alone. Then when that's done, install Ubuntu on the second partition. Go back to OS X, restore the home folder back up and there ya go! I'm not certain about Beryl though. I've not had a chance to try that out yet.
    • thejadedmonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It should. I'm on Ubuntu as I type this, and I've got Beryl up.. and I'm on an intel 855GM (or some crap like that). I know there's support for the 950GMA.. just check out the Ubuntu forums.

      Honestly, I'd think you'll have a harder time installing Ubuntu on a mac then you will getting beryl running (if you've got at least a little linux experience)
    • CitizenKamb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm also interested in triple booting Ubuntu+Beryl, but I don't really know how it would work. Could you get it to give you three options on the bootcamp startup screen, or are you gonna have to start Linux in some hack-y way? Think I should just wait for leopard and the full bootcamp app? I'm starting to think I should have for Vista, as the Macbook Pro driver support is pretty flakey at the moment.

      Oh, OS X. Just get rid of your damn Global Menu Bar and add Focus-Follows-Mouse and I'd be using you full time.
  • mikehill33, on 10/12/2007, -42/+16Buying a Mac is the ultimate sign you are a sheep and are showing the world that just like the 5th ipod you have bought, you are a slave to Apples incesant marketing.

    JK, Macs are great products and every designer should be given one at birth.
    • astrosmash, on 10/12/2007, -17/+29Another disappointed Vista user, I see?
    • Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -12/+39"Buying a Mac is the ultimate sign you are a sheep and are showing the world that just like the 5th ipod you have bought, you are a slave to Apples incesant marketing."

      Sorry, are you saying that opting NOT to go with what 95% of the computer using population are using makes you a sheep?

      Didn't think that through very well, did you?
    • MomoTheCow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Mike, your sarcasm is lost on this speed-reading crowd.
    • Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11Ah, but the 'JK' part could have been a bluff. Or a double-bluff. Or a...look! A synergised paradigm shift! A big shiny one!

      [runs away]
  • herrshuster, on 10/12/2007, -26/+22You can't play games

    photoshop is not a game
    • totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -12/+26thank god for xbox, PS, and Wii.
    • KeepSwinging, on 10/12/2007, -9/+22actually i play unreal tournament 2004 all the time on my mac, and it runs incredibly.....
    • confusednazgul, on 10/12/2007, -12/+21So WoW isn't a game? LOL.
    • WiseWeasel, on 10/12/2007, -9/+28You can run Windows on a Mac... The main titles are typically Mac-native as well.
    • typo180, on 10/12/2007, -10/+63Surprisingly enough, running the latest and greatest game is not a huge selling point for a lot of people.
    • ZergyPoo, on 10/12/2007, -9/+9"Surprisingly enough, running the latest and greatest game is not a huge selling point for a lot of people."

      But at the same time, it is a huge selling point for a lot of other people.
    • TomFrost, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9What, again, stops you from also having Windows on your mac, and playing whatever windows game you want? Or using Wine to play windows games? Mac isn't just about their fantastic OS, it's about the quality of their hardware too. I knocked my mac laptop off of a tall table and brought it crashing down -- open -- to the floor. Eight months later and I'm still gaming on it faster and more reliably than my "more powerful" desktop PC. Get a Dell and try the same thing.

      I dare you.
    • SirRankerous, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1you can play games, thats what bootcamp is for. my macbook pro runs windows better than most windows computers. half life 2 looks great
    • Unrest, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4@TomFrost
      Can you please cite examples of the games you're playing and their relative frame rates? This is not a flame, I am honestly interested.
    • jman8888, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Why does everybody say photosop is'nt a game? I know it aint but is that the new troll now?
      Also see apple.com/games
      Umm. Im a pc
  • jake8689, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13i just got a mac a year ago(video editing), and it still works just like the day i got, now my old PC on the other hand a year after i got it it was really slow and i could only run a program at a time such as IE or media player not both. I love my mac and recommend to my friends. NOW if your a big gamer stick with a PC because mac do sent have so much out and it isle comes out a year later
    • hode, on 10/12/2007, -4/+20The new intel macs dual boot. Boot into windows to play that game that never made it to mac, boot back into OS X for everything else.
    • zweben, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12...Or you could just get a Mac with a good video card and install Windows on it.
    • valardur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I went mac close to a year now, but as previous posts have said, I suffer of gaming withdrawl.
      The good games eventually come to Mac, hell, they even get to linux, but when I wanted to have a nice gaming machine I think I spend half the price building my own PC, that what I would've have to spend getting a gamers worth Mac.
      I might be wrong, but hey, I'm still in the transition of moving from PC to Mac.
      I welcome any Mac gaming suggestions.
    • jman8888, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4apple.com/games
  • confusednazgul, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17I don't necessarily agree with all of those points, but I think that was refreshingly honest.
  • drwtsn32, on 10/12/2007, -5/+34"You'll be continually amazed at the fit and finish
    [...]
    As a matter of fact, the power button on my current Mac is broken. I have to disassemble the keyboard and touch two points on the motherboard to turn it on if it turns completely off due to the battery draining."

    LOL
    • tarmithius, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16The irony in that statement was worth it.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Why if things look good that doesn't mean they can get broken. I like my BMW but I'd bet you anything if I drove it into a wall its power button would get broken too - maybe she dropped it?
    • PCheese, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9If you read the other pages you'll see that he broke it himself while installing a different drive in the machine. http://utilware.com/pb12.html
    • Baloo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ grey area
      If you read his blog you will see he broke the computer, when changing the HD. His fault.. not apples
  • typo180, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22Regardless of your preferred OS, you should be able to appreciate this article for reporting some of the bad along with the good and for not resorting to name calling (I'm looking at you, dizzyedge)
    • dizzyedge, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I do..nice article..I just like to ***** of Mac owners sometimes :)
      Most young Mac users don't know the difference between the 2..they just got it cause they saw it on a WB/CW show.
  • rudezombie, on 10/12/2007, -17/+14"People will ridicule you for having a Mac"

    Sorry, but in my experience this is always the other way around. At work I try to avoid the Mac users because no matter what, no matter WHAT, they always find a way to steer any conversation towards making jokes about why Microsoft sucks. That gets old kinda fast.
    • dasluvaluva, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7I don't think your statement is entirely accurate, but I've had people say (when they start appreciating Macs), "Why doesn't Microsoft do that!?" This is mostly in response to iPhoto or iTunes (where WMP is clumsy for most).

      The fact of the matter is, there are TONS of developers for Microsoft products, but very few are well-tunes, polished pieces of software. Most Mac software seems to pride itself on quality, usability, and function since Macs are a very small pool to compete in.

      I'm hoping with Vista out, somebody can effectively clone Exposé, and I'll most-likely use Vista as much as I do OS X, since that's my #1 productivity saver.
  • brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -14/+9One thing the Mac hasn't done for him is teach him how to write proper CSS apparently. Dugg down for not rendering properly in Firefox.
    • scottevans, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6check your extensions. they could be playing havoc with your page rendering. renders perfectly for me in firefox (2.0.0.2)
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4"Dugg down for not rendering properly in Firefox."
      Use Safari, it's solid.
    • brstilson, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5"Use Safari, it's solid."

      It works in IE just fine.
  • gmuiplaw, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7I recently purchased a macbook for use during lawschool. So far I like it, btu I wouldn;t say that any one thing about the MAC OS makes it any better or any worse than Windows. Installing programs on the mac is a bit of pain, but only because I'm used to the Microsoft installer format, as opposed the Mac's drag and drop format. It drives me crazy that the keyboard on my macbook has no forward delete key (seriosuly, how hard is it to put one of these in), but all in all I like them both.
    • hode, on 10/12/2007, -4/+17How is drag and drop a pain?
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+18"It drives me crazy that the keyboard on my macbook has no forward delete key"

      Hit fn-delete to do forward deletes. Sure, it's an extra key to hit, but it becomes second nature after using it a few times. My PC laptop has separate backspace and delete keys, but I actually prefer my MacBook's method after using it awhile.
    • maxxin, on 10/12/2007, -14/+1digg down.
    • atticus8, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Then I have to assume I'm sitting right behind you, gmuiplaw, because I just bought this Mac for law school also, so I'm assuming your first year also, and I go to GMU law also, and I'm the one poking you in the shoulder with the pointy stick.
    • JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Installing is a pain?!

      What can you possibly be doing wrong?

      Open package. Drag icon to Applications folder. Done.

      To delete:
      Drag application icon from Aplication folder to trash. Done.
      No DLLs. No Registry, no problems.
  • Stucarius, on 10/12/2007, -6/+3Good story
  • gajillion, on 10/12/2007, -18/+4I don't know how much has changed since the G4 and OSX 10.1, but my G4 is sitting under my desk acting as a small coffee table. I'm also one of the only people I know who actually returned an iPod. Apple prides itself on its usability and user interfaces. Coming from a big-iron Unix background, I found both OSX and the iPod to be horribly counterintuitive, difficult to locate needed information, and restrictive on how it allowed me to interact with the information once I had it. Of course, I'm also probably one of the few Unix users who prefers Windows on his desktop to Linux for usability reasons.
    • rhoelshe, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11OS X didn't really get usable until 10.3. If you get the chance, try a current version of OS X.
    • mikeneilson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Are you the kind of person who thinks that "alphabetical order" makes no sense? If so, an iPod *might* not be for you. Perhaps some type of Dewey Decimal System for mp3s would have made more sense to you. What were you expecting, exactly?
    • danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I enjoyed 10.2 as well. 10.3 was a huge improvement, but 10.2 is where the OS realy became stable in my opinion.
    • MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I agree. I didn't get OS X until 10.2 was released. 10 was a nightmare and 10.1 was bandaids for the nightmare. When I saw 10.2 at the Macworld Expo in New York, I knew it was time to drop OS 9. 10.3 made my older hardware run even faster and 10.4 had more than enough improvements to justify its price. I'm still deciding whether or not to get 10.5 when released. I'll probably wait awhile and see what the final feature set is before deciding.
  • Greyarea, on 10/12/2007, -14/+1bury, didn't hit reply
  • hcnelson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15I got a MacBook a few months ago. I like it a lot and all of these things are very true.

    I still have a couple Windows machines (my desktop, that I use primarily and laptop) I like Windows and plan to keep using both.

    I guess I just don't see why everyone is so up in arms about Windows vs. Mac when they really work so well together.
    • mikeneilson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I was just thinking the same thing, and the whole debate is intensified by the use of words like "switcher." A switch implies some kind of binary setting. I have a PC desktop, and am now supplementing that with a MacBook. Even those who don't use PCs at home often use them at work. Is "switcher" even really the right word?
    • confusednazgul, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yeah really. I built my own PC about a year ago, and a few months later bought a Macbook Pro. They both have their uses, and I like having both around. I definitely enjoy using my MBP more, but that's just personal preference. I don't understand why people seem to think it's a "one or the other" issue.
    • danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I have tow Macs and a PC at work. While I will continue to use both. I don't forsee myself buying a PC again in the near future. So I guess you could call that switching. If I need Windows there is Bootcamp.
    • Theophany, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3You know, I don't understand why it's such a selling point, and I worked in an Apple Store (Bellevue, WA... Right next door to MS's home in Redmond).

      "Yeah, we're completely different from Windows; we're so much better."

      It's not really a great strategy for getting people to switch. Sure some that are frustrated with Win might make the switch, but IMO you'd get more switchers if you're just honest about what you're selling. That was what I did, as I use a PC for gaming and an Apple for everything else (I do pro photography; can't live without Aperture, honestly), and I didn't want to have to buy a Pro, since they're not that much better than an iMac/MB if you're not doing video editing.

      In relating that to customers, it made a whole lot more sense to them. It's not that Apple is better than Win, it's that it's easier to use for people that aren't computer geniuses (and let's be honest, 99% of people aren't) and you can't seriously screw something up. Everything is logical, everything looks nice, and it comes with every single piece of software that most people need outside of word processing.

      Those that are saying Apple computers are better are flat-out wrong. They're different. It's akin to choice in alcohol; some like hard alcohol, others like beer, other like wine, and some don't like them at all.

      Now we just have to figure out which OS is which type of alcohol.
  • Crid, on 10/12/2007, -13/+3Remember that guy from the Brit paper a couple weeks ago?

    "OSX is a Fisher-Price Activities Center!"

    Duzzenmadder, Apple Computer is out of business. Did anyone ever make more money from Apple than Bill Gates, if only by using it as a fig leaf to keep the SEC off his back? To say nothing of all those copies of the Office suite, which was going to be written anyway.
  • sirjimbob, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Glad I can leave my constantly used photoshop and internet machine on for at least a month without restarting - and that restart isn't even because of a BSOD.
  • metafore, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1/golf clap

    nice writeup.
  • deadbaby, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16I'm very happy with my switch experience. Besides the fact it's a great computer I've been amused at the reaction it gets. Most of my friends know I am a hardcore geek and when they first saw my Mac they weren't sure exactly what to think about it. Since then, 2 of them have also bought Macs. My favorite Mac related experience so far was on a train ride to Boston. I had a total stranger sit down and ask me how I liked the Mac because they were thinking of getting one so I did a quick 2 minute demo of why I love OSX for them.
    • danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Yeah it was the same experience for me. Everyone around me knew that I was a PC geek, so when they saw me with a Mac they had to do a double take. That was about 4 years ago, by now about half of them have bought their first or second Mac.
  • pleaseremove, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7I've had a powerbook for sometime but i still consider my PC my machine (running XP). I find the Mac much simpler for simple tasks like emails, web browsing and all the basics. Where is seems to fall down is when i want to think outside the Mac world and do something my way.

    With regards to points about websites not working. Although this is getting better, I still find myself pulling up IE quite often, sometimes not because the whole site doesn't work, but because some funky bit of Javascript fails.
    • tvashtar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Where is seems to fall down is when i want to think outside the Mac world and do something my way"
      Ok please explain this, I'm genuinely interested in getting a use-case scenario that demonstrates not being able to do something the way you want to on a Mac.
    • jimbouk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Actually I find (recent switcher) os x to be pretty annoying sometimes when they miss out for some reason the more intuitive and sensible aspects of windows (yes, both os's have their good sides).

      Let me know if I'm just being dense, but I haven't found a way to rename multiple files in os x without the automator (windows doesn't need me to fire up another app).

      I also would like to run the machine just with the keyboard (when typing) or just with the mouse - this seems to be much easier in windows by default(e.g. browse the file system with cursors, enter and back), whilst os x forces me to memorise key combinations (command and o?)

      Mac os x has some very clever and well-made elements (spotlight, etc) but it seems that you have to do things the mac way. Or maybe I just need to learn it a little better, I don't know?
  • DesignExplosion, on 10/12/2007, -10/+6"The power button on my current Mac is broken. I have to disassemble the keyboard and touch two points on the motherboard to turn it on if it turns completely off due to the battery draining"

    How is he bragging that it is wonderfully designed, when in order to turn it off he has to tear it apart and get to the motherboard.
    • nandabanaotakun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It wasn't broken by design. He broke it. RTFA.
  • mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -13/+8Not a bad article but I still don't understand and I guess never will what "switching" to OSX will give me that I don't have with my rock solid Windows Vista system?

    If anything it seems I'll have to make compromises to use OSX which is kind of lame since I'll have to pay $1000+ for Apple hardware to make those compromises.
    • KrocCamen, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Rock solid Vista system...
      you what?
    • MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8There's absolutely nothing that you can do on a Mac that you can't do on a PC. It's just a preference. Sure, some things can be easier like iLife, but you can do all that on a PC as well. It just usually takes a few extra steps and the programs aren't typically as well integrated. If you're happy with a PC running XP or Vista, then don't bother. We can still be friends.

      The point is that there's no reason for all the crap coming out of either camp. Just use your computer running whatever OS for the tasks that you want to do.
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@KrocCamen: Yeah, I know it's hard for you to grasp but that's what I said. Live with it.

      @MacParrot: Thanks. I have nothing against OSX either, I just don't get the zealous folks like KrocCamen who treat it like it's a ***** religion.

      I had an opportunity over the holidays to get either a MBP or a PC Notebook and I decided on a PC notebook...for the simple reason that I didn't know what I could do with a MBP (OSX) that I couldn't do with a PC notebook (Windows). Also to me it seems rather retarded to buy a Mac to primarily run Windows but that's just me.
  • pluggedout, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11I find the whole Mac/OSX issue similar to that of games consoles - just as you might have a PS2, an XBox and a Gamecube, there is nothing stopping you from using Windows, OSX and Linux alongside each other.

    It's interesting how people like to take sides on this kind of thing - to "take the high ground" :)

    Windows, OSX and Linux are all very good at different things - and many of the same things.

    I'm just glad there is a choice.
    • danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6I love Macs as much as the next guy but I would never want Apple to become the dominant market share holder like MS is. An Ideal world would be where no single player had more then a 40% market share. It would make the whole enviornment much better, and force cross platform software development.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Sure guys they are the same thing, except for the ease of use, lack of viruses, and the superior stability of OS X - PS, I haven't rebooted my iMac in 10 days, at night when I go to sleep I put my iMac to sleep too, in the morning I click the mouse and start my work instantly. In the end most Mac users are switchers, and as one I must say the stability of OS X is so could I rarely even think about what Mac is doing, it just seems to work.
    • kris33, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Cross-platform applications does sound nice, but in fact it doesn't have to be a good thing. One of the great thing with OS X is that all applications(even third-party) is so well integrated. With cross-platform applications you don't get that integration and the programmers have to take a more general approach, which can harm the user interface.

      A good example of this is the 3D-app Blender. It is open-source and cross platform. I love the application itself, but the UI feels a little bit "java-ed" even though it is not coded in Java. Saving and opening of files is also a problem, since they have to be the same on all os-es.

      It is of course possible to solve this, by modifying the app for each platform like Adobe has done with its apps.
    • mobilehavoc, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1@ireland: OOOOOHH AHHHH 10 days. Try 95 days without a reboot in Windows. Oh and guess what, Sleep works in Windows too. The ignorance exhibited is amazing.
  • weefs, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4I switched to Macs back when the 286 was the defacto PC. The only time I have computer problems these days is when I'm screwing around with my pc. I keep a pc around to remind me of how bad windows computing can be (for me). But I really dig the 3d apps like mudbox and the aquarium screensaver with the kickass fiddler crab is awesome. I'm not much into games so no big deal about that. overall what i like is the stability of osx. I just haven't seen that kind of stability with any version of windows (even vista) or linux. I think the ultimate litmus test for whether to use windows of macs is this: if you like getting work done using a computer, use osx. If you like working ON your computer (as in hardware, configuration, etc) you'll love windows pc's. Generally, I think people who are cross-platform capable are more useful than those who aren't. There's nothing more annoying than people who only use one OS and never touch anything else.
  • MaxwellsMac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3When are people going to realize that these are just machines for productivity. Use whichever one gets the job done with the most efficiency. That being said, with bootcamp and parallels why would you choose a machine that can only handle the one OS? As a video editor, I can now use any NLE system in the world and test it on both platforms easily from my MBP. No fanboy here, the Mac now just makes good common sense...
    • e808, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Or, you could look at it as "why would I choose an OS that can only run on 1 machine?"
    • MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1e808,
      How many machines are you going to run one copy of Windows legally? So for each machine you have (if you are legal) one paid for copy of Windows. How much does that cost? I paid for a 5 user license of OS X for $199 and have it on 3 machines.

      I didn't even have to do that if I didn't want to as the single user disk can be put on as many machines as I wish since there's no serial number authentication required.

      Yes, I understand what you're saying, but how is it a detriment that I can't run OS X on a Dell or HP or some frankenstonian home-built? You save a little money I guess, but a computer with the same specs from someone else isn't that far off in price like it used to be.
  • tehsuck, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I really dispise articles that are all positive or all negative about "switching." I have been a long time windows user and I "switched" to a Mac Pro about 6 months ago and I am still getting used to the differences. Keyboard shortcuts / mouse acceleration / finder etc. It's not better or worse necessarily, it's just another OS with different usage.
    • UCFmethod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I agree, the keyboard shortcuts are the biggest hill to climb over. The fact that alot of keyboard shortcuts require like three keys held down to work kinda annoys me, but thats just my opinion.
  • Patranus, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1907 The Internet will be mostly the same
    The Internet *should* be 100% the same but because MS does not follow web standards (debatable if they set them and not W3 being the defacto web browser - another discussion entirely) and poor web design - usage of Active X.

    11 Keyboard shortcuts will drive you nuts
    Last time I checked (I use both Mac & PC) the shortcuts are 99% the same in cross platforum applications and about 90% the same between operating systems.

    12 You'll regret your purchase, but you'll get over it
    The author uses price as an example of this, but with the recent switch to Intel CPUs it is crystal clear that apple products are extremely competitively priced. It was hard to price PPC v x86 systems.

    15 There isn't much stuff to buy for a Mac
    Everything that I have bought recently from the most expensive wireless bluetooth keyboard (all functions work) to the cheapest USB print server (Hawking's Technology - on sale at Frys... ) has just worked. Just because the little OS X logo is not on the box does not mean that it will not work.

    16 You'll spend more money than with Windows
    Has also been refuted. Use google. There is also a lot of *good* freeware out there for OS X while much of the freeware for windows is shotty at best.
  • PJthelobster, on 10/12/2007, -17/+3The first time I was introduced to a Mac G5 was in a TV station. I was very excited to be able to use Final Cut Pro (I'm a tv pro major). However, not 5 minutes into playing with the TITLEMAKER ....the cheese grater (G5) crashed on me. You guys are totally right, very stable machines that never crash. LOL might as well use Adobe Premire.
    • MaxwellsMac, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16Wait.. you're a "tv pro major" that suggests Premier? Um, try again... I don't think you want to put Premier against FCP when it comes to high end work.
  • psylancer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Dugg for a fair account. After making the switch about three months ago I can say that I don't regret it. But I still don't believe that you should buy a mac if you are buying a computer for games.
    • danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3That really depends on how you look at gaming. If you look at your computer like its primary task is gaming I agree with you. I think most people look at Gaming as something they do in their spare time though and a Mac is a great platform for those poeple. There are plenty of games that run on OS X to keep you busy, and for the others your friends are playing install Windows.
  • kms007, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Good write-up - I switched from PC > Mac back in 1996 and haven't regretted the decision.
  • kidtux, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I think one of my biggest gripes of using OSX has nothing to do with the OS but with Microsoft. Office on the Mac is terrible! It makes no sense while Microsoft would change so much with the versions of office, even the keyboard shortcuts. I found the Mac version of Office didn't utilize keyboard shortcuts very well, if at all.
    • danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I prefer the Mac version of Office. I haven't had the chance to use 2007 yet though.
  • alecks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+16I'd just like to add something which I haven't seen mentioned in all these PRO Mac lists.

    With a Windows box, the more software that is installed and the more time that passes, the slower the box gets.

    With a Mac, it'll run just as fast years later full of every program you can think to install, as it did the day you opened it.
    • gingernut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1All UNIX OS'es have that advantage. I use Linux here personally.
  • choopie911, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Pretty good list. Not 100% of course, everyone is different, but this is one of the better ones I've read. I havent talked to a single switcher that regretted it though. The mac users happily helping other mac users is really true though, I do it all the time/ ask for it on occasion, never have a problem getting it.

    Also, applecare has been amazing for me. My longest wait EVER on a repair was an hour. Dropped it off, picked it up an hour later, no charge, no fees, nothing.
    • codmate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I've never waited for a repair.
      As I build my own machines, I simply swap out the faulty component.

      Job done.
  • slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8That was probably one of the more fair minded switching article that I've seen here on Digg.

    As a switcher myself, I have had many of the same experiences.

    The one thing he forgot to mention is that for every one of his gripes, he'll find himself flamed down to a crisp by the devotees who think he should know better than to keep his old Windoze habits.

    Would disagree about his view on Dell as well. Dell isn't what it used to be. My recent Dell purchases for work have left me less than impressed with their build quality. You might have to pay to return something to Apple, but I would tend to think that you're also less likely to get a lemon from Apple than Dell.
  • aychamo, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6Well, personally, I was a PC software developer for over a decade. I slowly gave that up, and switched over to a Mac and love it. I cringe when I am forced to use a Windows PC for whatever reason. I've never met anyone who used a PC, switched to a Mac, and didn't like it.
    • drwtsn32, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8*raises hand*

      I enjoy computers and have used Windows and Linux for years. A couple years ago I purchased an ibook because I really wanted to play with Mac OS X. After a few months of use I *still* preferred to use Windows or Linux. I sold the ibook and don't miss not having Mac OS X at all.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1@ drwtsn32,
      You lie, I just don't believe that.

      I'm 9 foot tall - just cause I typed that doesn't make it true.
    • hcnelson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ drwtsn32,

      I was wondering if one had ever switched back. I can totally understand why OSX isn't the OS for everyone. People should just stick with what they feel comfortable doing. People who "can't believe" are silly.
    • codmate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Tell that to my former housemate who I found actually crying over her Mac once when she had dragged a document from the dock to the desktop, only to have it disappear in a puff of smoke.

      Naturally I used 'find' on the command line to ascertain its location, as the GUI remains a total mystery to me after years of intermittent attempts to understand it.

      If it wasn't for the fact that the machine is based on Linux and has a terminal I have no idea what I would have done.

      I had to help her with that machine so many times it's untrue. And that was before the HDD failure.
  • davidlow, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19"#3: People will help you for no reason.
    Other Mac owners are usually fairly willing to help you get up and running on the Mac. This may be self-serving on their behalf, because it helps sell more Mac stuff which in turn justifies their investment in a company with less than 10% market share, but it's still a perk."

    I disagree. Here's why:

    A) Generally, when I help a Windows user with their problem (I'm a former Windows network admin) their problem doesn't go away easily, and it now becomes my problem, including any cans of worms Microsoft has buried in there. So I'm always reluctant to get involved.

    B) Generally, when I help a Mac user with their problem (I've been using Macs at home for 3 years) their problem goes away, or it resolves itself without my continued donations of time. So I'm always happy to help.

    There are exceptions to both cases, of course; but not many.

    This is why, if you are a new Mac user, other Mac users will be happy to help. There's very little danger of getting sucked into a tedious commitment.
    • slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8You're right, but I don't think the article is wrong either.

      I'm willing to help people that have converted to Mac to ensure that they're happy and that they encourage others to buy Mac as well. I don't want them to experience any buyer's remorse (especially if I urged them to switch in the first place).

      It also helps that most Mac problems are usually quite easy to solve.
  • bgbs, on 10/12/2007, -13/+4Some people are saying that they dont know anyone who switched to mac and regreted it. Thats probably because there are 1-out-of-10,000.
    I dont know I might be the first person. After buying mac for home use and using it for three months, my productivity level went down 50% percent. I took it back, got my new shiny vista, and I dont regret. Dont get me wrong, I do use mac at work once in a while for design purposes, but when it comes to design I'm very slow on it, because of these keyboard shortcuts and one-stinky-mouse button. To tell you the truth Im frustrated half of the time, because I could finish the same design work at home 3 times quicker. I dont know maybe mac fans love taking time with their macs, its like taking your time in bed with your wife. But see I'm one of few who treats a computer harshly. If the damn thing is frustrating me than I slap it couple of times. Give it a kick....you know its a rough world out there.

    The illusion that is constantly painted about macs, is that if you switch you are going to be in heaven. Ultimately the opposite happens. If you want to be even more productive, my suggestion switch to Vista. And dont let those worthless arguments about viruses and other sort of thing like that scare you because you probably developed enough habit already not to open attachments, not browsing warez and porn sites etc...
    • slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5You probably haven't taken the time to change or learn your keyboard shortcuts. Don't expect the Mac to have the exact same workstyle as Windows.

      I am about equally productive in Mac as I am in Windows without having to adjust too much for the Mac (I tweaked the settings in the first week, and it has been smooth sailing since). Having said that, there are tasks that are much faster for me on Mac and vice versa, due to my personal work style. For example, I get extremely frustrated coding on the Mac compared to Windows. On the other hand, I get a lot of multimedia stuff done faster on Mac than Windows.

      Your mileage will vary, but don't make sweeping statements that one platform increases everyone's productivity over the other.
    • skilless, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5What software are you using for design? I ask because it's probably not Photoshop. In PS the most important keyboard shortcuts are a single key: v for arrow, c for crop tool, h for hand (or spacebar of course), etc. Also, in PS the right mouse button doesn't do anything important; all its features are available more easily elsewhere.

      The fact is that Photoshop, like QuarkXpress and Illustrator, was first designed on the Mac where one button mice in particular were the norm. To this day the UI for these major apps is very, very similar between Mac OS and windows and very accommodating of the one button mice.
    • bgbs, on 10/12/2007, -9/+4One platform wins overall, why does 90% of the world uses Windows over mac? Cause maybe windows is more productive?
      Shortcuts force you to use two hands to get things done. Windows is like a car on automatic transmission. You can click with your mouse and get things done. A mac is like a car with a stick shift, you have to use two hands, that maybe not bad when you drank some coffee and your energy level is all time hi, but when you are tired, you dont want to use to hands, you just want to ride along.

      ...and the old argument that macs are better for multimedia is wrong and outdated already. There was actually a competition out there who could get a multimedia production done faster on mac vs pc, and PC has won.
    • bgbs, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I use Adobe products only. Seriously those days are over when Mac was faster, better, and more productive for design work.
    • slantyyz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6The PC won? I think that was pre Mac on Intel, wasn't it?

      The performance difference today between platforms is at a point where you just pick the OS you like.
    • PhillyMJS, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6Dugg down for being a Mac-ignorant shill (the one-button mouse remark really gave it away).
    • davidlow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@bgbs, It's evident from your description that you're using a Mac OS that is at least 6 years old, OS 9 or prior. And a 1-button mouse?? Wake up and look around. 2-button mice are dirt cheap, and they all work with the Mac, not to mention the 4-button mouse with a built-in trackball that's bundled with every new Mac desktop computer. Working on a Mac laptop? Tap the trackpad with 2 fingers instead of 1 and viola! Behold the right click.

      Does your commute to the office involve a time machine by any chance?
  • KillerPM, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6I am getting sick of both windows fanboys and mac fanboys.

    Screw it, I am switching to *nix.
    • skilless, on 10/12/2007, -11/+8Ya, *nix rocks. Mac OS X in particular is a very nice *nix.

      lol.
    • mattjew, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7...aaaaand you just proved his point
    • davidlow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm sick of all you *nix fanboys. I'm switching to the... to the... ahh.
      Screw you guys. I'm going home.
  • groovesys, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4I'm platform agnostic. I use a Mac at work and a PC at home. Since I use Firefox for almost everything I need to do (email, IM, word processing/spreadsheets, RSS, etc.), I really don't need to worry about the platform. But, if I had to choose, I would choose a Mac.
    • codmate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Why, seeing as it is more expensive?
      Branding / Marketing?
  • fani, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Its very nice to switch to a Mac. However, there are differences -
    If you're familiar with Windows, there's a learning curve first ( nothing major ). Like - open Finder, select item. You hit Enter in Windows to launch it. In Mac, hitting Enter does nothing confusing you. Its Cmd-O to open. Things like this.

    However, after a while, I find I'm more productive in Mac than in Windows. Theres a nice flow to things in Mac than in Windows.

    however, essentially, the OS is just a platform to do your actual work. I use whatever OS I need to get the job done. I don't really think I could do without any. I use Mac, Windows, Linux, Solaris frequently.
    Whatever gets the job done. I shouldn't really have to care what I have as long as it gets the job done in the time I'm willing to give it. If pressed for time, I use Mac, if I have time to play around, I do everything from scratch using Linux ( eg. compiling gimp and then using it instead of just installing the dmg in Mac and using it )
    • danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The enter key in finder allows you to rename the file. I was confused at first with that too now I like it.
    • codmate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1@danielwsmithee
      F2 allows you to re-name in Windows.
  • yehaww, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Well, I guess it's nice that someone tried to make an unbiased review of the switch. But is he comparing a Powerbook to a $399 Dell? I bought a really nice Toshiba last year and people say it's the nicest screen they've ever seen. It's a streamline design and looks great. It doesn't have all the "flabs and tabs" that he's referring to on his PC. He also makes several references to the fact that Macs can't be as customized, "but you'll get more done because of it". That's a lame arguement. I like customizing my PC and I still manage to get everything done. And he says that you won't find much at Frys for a Mac, but that's ok because you don't need all that stuff. Well, nobody NEEDS it, but I sure do like to have options.

    Now, I'm not saying Macs are crap. My friend has a Powerbook and it's performs nicely. Mac people swear that Photoshop runs better on a Mac, and I don't see a difference when using it on her Powerbook. She often needs help figuring things out, and I'm able to help set things up for her, not knowing Macs as well as PC's. The Mac certainly seems intuitive enough, although I'm definitely more comfortable working on a PC. But I have been around when her computer 'hangs' on a program. We couldn't close it out and couldn't reboot. We ended up having to pop the battery out to shut it down. I'm not sure how often that happens. And she dropped it one day and broke the cd drive. The quote from the Apple Store for a replacement was ridiculously high, at least by PC standards. She opted not to get it fixed and now has a laptop with no CD drive. If she had a PC, it would have been a painless repair.

    So anyway, I like the article although I think a lot of his comments are about making concessions once he got to the Mac. To each their own.
    • flag564, on 10/12/2007, -8/+9Maybe you should have written this article. The author seems to pretend he is writing something balanced, but leave out anything negative so he can have more room for extra "Oh, you will feel so much more superior by getting a Mac" BS.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -12/+6Ah, and there's our buddy flag564, back like a festering, chronic hemorrhoid.

      Hey flag, did you hear? There's a new Microsoft section on Digg, a place where you can openly sing the praises of Steve Ballmer's dance moves and the joys of 90% market share computing without getting dugg down to oblivion. Your ignorant, I-hate-Apple nonsense-spewing friends await you there. Farewell, and good riddance.
    • flag564, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7Lay off the drugs, Quix.

      It's just a issue of fairness to have an Microsoft section to go along with the Linux and Apple ones. Something we "brainless" Microsoft users, as you called us, can grasp, but seems to be way over your head.
  • m0nk, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Personally, I'm a linux power user. I've used some distro of linux on my desktops/laptops since 2000 and almost always in the work environment if I can help it. Last year I was stuck using a Windows laptop for a while so I installed Samba on my linux file server at home. Shortly after setting that up I borrowed my dad's Powerbook and went about configuring my user to get access to anything on the network. It was easier than I thought. I was able to access the SMB mount with ease and had no issues integrating it into the rest of my linux network as well. In fact, I would recommend trying a Mac over switching to linux for the novice computer user who wants to get away from Windows.
    • codmate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1True - OSX is probably the best Linux desktop available, especially for novices.
    • nandabanaotakun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3OS X isn't Linux. It's Darwin.
  • atrus123, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Good post. I'm a Linux user with little interest in Apple, but I know of a lot of people who have switched to Apple, and much of the content rings familiar to things I've heard.
  • abhiroop, on 10/12/2007, -10/+7it all comes down to one thing...the second mouse button on the touchpad...

    also mac's heat up a lot more....but I've used both and I can safely say its window's all the way....i like to be able to customise and play around a bit
    • KrocCamen, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11You can touch two fingers on the touchpad to right click. Or hold Ctrl+Click.
    • danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The one button on the touchpad is awesome that would suck if they added a second. I'm serious I hated getting finger cramps on my Dell laptop.
    • kettlechips, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1"You can touch two fingers on the touchpad to right click. Or hold Ctrl+Click."

      And that's supposed to be easier?
    • nandabanaotakun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@kettlechips: For me, it's a lot easier. Tapping the trackpad is better than keeping track of where your fingers are in relation to either button.
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