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- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -11/+75Hehe, Apple fanboys used to bash Sony for playing the firmware cat and mouse game. Now Apple is doing the same thing.
- Nougat, on 10/10/2007, -3/+37Hey, if your iPhone gets bricked, at least you only have to spend $400 on a new one instead of $600!
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -10/+37Even as an obviously self-professed Apple user, I would agree. If you want to use your own ring-tones, a different carrier, and whatever else some of the iPhone hacks are adding that Apple didn't, fo the love of God DON'T buy an iPhone. It's not like there isn't a plethora of different phones out there. Get the one that does what you want.
All this nonsense simply re-affirms all the reasons why I didn't want an iPhone. - simX, on 10/10/2007, -22/+45Are you guys seriously dumb? Yes, the iPhone has deficiencies but it is certainly not inferior. The user interface is so much better, it's a much better music player, it has a much better web browser than any other phone, it has Wi-Fi support, etc.
The whole reason people are hacking the iPhone is so that they can get around these deficiencies, but they'd certainly rather have a stock iPhone than any other product, even if they were able to officially mod/install other applications on that other phone. Because, you know, they ***** SUCK at web browsing, they SUCK at being a music player, and they have SUCKY USER INTERFACES.
Jesus, you'd think this was obvious. - mrroarke, on 10/10/2007, -8/+27Just how many iPhone articles do we need to see every day?
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+20I'm not updating, the update isn't worth having to reinstall my 3rd party apps, i love summerboard and the themes. So far, i read the changes the update makes, and none of them appeal to me.
- gjscds, on 10/10/2007, -4/+22If you've hacked your iPhone... here's a really simple idea to avoid problems. DON'T UPDATE IT!
- dinkola, on 10/10/2007, -0/+13You've got worry when people (including myself) look at a hacked product & the original one ... and choose the hacked one every time. I could ask everyone around me the same question & get the same answer. Surely as the person that made a product, you have to take notice & realise all this untapped potential. I'll stick with the old firmware. Old firmware + 3rd party apps greatly outweigh the new firmware. I'll not have the new iTunes wifi store on my iPhone due to this ... Apples loss.
P.S. I love Apple products, but this whole iPhone lock-in has started to make me 'think different'. - Tyr7BE, on 10/10/2007, -41/+54How is it that people put up with ***** like this and still consider the iPhone to be the Lord Jesus Christ? The product itself was straight up inferior, that's evidenced by the fact that people had to mod the ***** out of it to make it work to their satisfaction. And now at the first sign of a firmware update they're breaking left right and center!
Why not go with a phone that you'd be satisfied with out of the box? - nbeighley, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14iToner doesn't work! That's a bummer since I just bought it last week, but at least my phone isn't 'bricked'
- Firehed, on 10/10/2007, -0/+10Everyone bashed Sony for doing that, just as everyone (except Scott Bourne) is bashing Apple for doing it now. I think it's ***** as an iPhone owner, and I'd think it's ***** if I wasn't. If they want to re-lock the phones to AT&T only I can understand, but bricking the unlocked phones is very much anti-customer. They knew what would happen - you know they tested this update on unlocked phones before releasing it. Not only are they not getting their monthly cut of AT&T fees, they won't be getting future business from the people getting shafted by this.
- tdhurst, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Oh noes! What will Apple do without you?
I jusd kant undrrstand wut apels problem is. they reely shud git ther akt together. - directive0, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10I am a long time Mac user, I even used to lie to myself like I see some people in these comments attempting to do. Making apologies for Apple's business plan. Even trying to find silver linings in crappy options presented. But I am done. My unconditional support of the Apple paradigm ended long ago. They have lost their edge, lost that magic feeling.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8I think you need to abandon oxygen.
- kronix2, on 10/10/2007, -9/+16* no 3G support
* have to text with an on-screen keyboard
* only 2 megapixel camera
* you can't record video
* can't set an mp3 as a ringtone
* can't voice dial
* can't record voice
* can't send instant messages
* has a fixed battery, meaning you can't swap the battery out - it has to be shipped to Apple, and you pay for a replacement
* has fixed, non-expandable memory
All of that wouldn't matter if its price reflected its meagre feature set, but it's retailing for a lot more than vastly superior phones. The fact that Apple is bricking unlocked iPhones (despite unlocking being perfectly legal) also works against its favour. - inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+8iPhone articles and Ron Paul articles are the Yin and the Yang of Digg. They must be in balance.
I haven't figured out which is the dark side yet though :) - coolbru, on 10/10/2007, -6/+12* no 3G support
Wow, so you can't use it on the 1% of the US that has coverage? For Europe, I quite agree, but OTOH, 3G battery life sucks. In fact most phones apart from the old Nokia 6310i suck at battery life, 3G or not. Ye olde Newton 2100 did 3 months on a charge for me.
* have to text with an on-screen keyboard
Um, how is this bad? It's a hell of an improvement on crappy t9 and buttons that are too small on every phone I've had. Nokia seem determined to make nothing but fat phones with buttons for kids fingers.
* only 2 megapixel camera
Yup, and I really bet that all those phones with 5MP cameras have optics that do them dots justice...
* you can't record video
True
* can't set an mp3 as a ringtone
My SE phone requires DRM for ringtones, and Sony removed the DRM encoder from their site, and nobody sells tones in that format, so I'm stuck with these crappy midi things.
* can't voice dial
* can't record voice
I never use these, but I guess some might miss them. My old Nokia could never call the right person anyway.
* can't send instant messages
Yes it can, just not MMS (which is silly, but I've never sent one despite having a phone that could for 5 years).
* has a fixed battery, meaning you can't swap the battery out - it has to be shipped to Apple, and you pay for a replacement
And your phone gets free replacement batteries from the manufacturer??
* has fixed, non-expandable memory
True, but it's got plenty more than any phone I've ever had.
That the iPhone can be a success with all these supposed problems is testament to the stuff that it does do better than pretty much any device out there. Personally I'd be more interested in an ipod touch anyway. - FredFredrickson, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7In this case, they both are.
- bantam, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6Open your eyes my friend, the openmoko even though is a great concept just doesn't do it right. Its outdated hardware and price-point are a joke.
Just because the software is opensource doesn't make it any better then the iphone. We all know the only reason apple is stopping 3rd party apps is because of there deal with AT&T. - thcobbs, on 10/10/2007, -9/+14One hundred BILLION articles...
MUAHAHA...
MUAHAHAHA....
< put little finger to mouth >
MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA - SirBotchness, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8Awesome. 600 dollar paper weights. Maybe you can give the 100 rebate back to apple in apology to be allowed to use the phone again. Grovel to the steve.
- FredFredrickson, on 10/10/2007, -4/+7Is your name Steve Jobs by any chance?
- Quix, on 10/10/2007, -4/+8After 3 months, I was expecting more. Unified mailbox, copy/paste, etc., etc. And why am I still sometimes seeing that weird "25,895,375 Unread Messages" tag in my mailbox?
Disappointing, Apple. We want more from you.
That said, my iPhone still stomps anything else out there. - vvaduva, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5You must be a rocket scientist! Great advice :)
- MrViklund, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5AT&T and Apple have made an agreement and I think that people should respect that. But it seems like it's a sport to hack every Apple product.
- coldfusion1970, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4So lots of people mod their cars and even more people mod Windows XP.
What does that mean in your world? - FredFredrickson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4What, did Microsoft goons run over your dog or something? What does this have to do with Microsoft?
- BornLegend, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Apple is not your friend. Apple != good guys
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Don't hack me, bro!
- wageslaven, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Its amazing. Apple designs a closed phone, people revolt and try to install 3rd party apps to make the thing more useful, and Apple retaliates by starting a firmware war that bricks phones, and releases warranty terms that voids the warranty of anyone who dares defy them.
AND the Mac faithful blame it on AT&T! This is exactly the overly controlling, closed platform behavior Apple has always been. Apple is to closed platforms as Sony is to in-house media formats. Its not new, its not a surprise to anyone who pays attention.
AT&T seems to be just fine allowing RIM, Palm, Windows Mobile, and Symbian phones to run 3rd party software. WFT is the matter with Apple? - Alex.w, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4MiniMo on Windows Mobile 6 running on an HTC TyTN II, now shut up.
- cannibaljp, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5hopefully iToner will get an update out quickly...
- captgary, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Well it's a small market a million units is nothing in a country that has 203 million cell phone users.
- directive0, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Then you were deluding yourself. Apple hasn't been the good guy since the Performa.
- MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4If I ws worried about what the mob (digg users?) wanted, I wouldn't have chosen such an obvious preferential screename like MacParrot. Being a Mac user (for over 20 years) doesn't mean I have to agree or like everything that Apple puts out. I didn't even buy an iPod until the Mini came out. I saw and had no use for it until the product matured. Apple TV? Same answer. If they improve it to the point where I find it useful, I might buy one. iPhone? Jury is still out, but right now I have no need for it.
I prefer the click-wheel of the iPod Classic (and bought one) over the touch-screen (but it is cool) and don't use a cell phone enough to want or need any of its other features (or that of other smartphones). I'm on AT & T, so I didn't even need to switch carriers, I just didn't want one. - Linuturk, on 10/10/2007, -2/+56.6.6
- schoate09, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3did, did, did I just see wageslaven defend the PS3?
- dustinmacdonald, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Don't update. 1.1.1 can't be jailbroken yet, so if the iPhone makes you restore your firmware (very likely), then the only way to reactivate is with AT&T.
- deathray, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I guess the deal with AT&T is the reason why they are stopping 3rd party apps on the ipod touch as well.
- viruz, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5Everyone seems to be bashing Apple, but here's my take on it.
Apple has a contractual obligation with AT&T, their obligation is that AT&T is the only cell carrier that will offer the iPhone in N.A. and they must do everything they can to limit the use of the phones to re-assure that AT&T feels validated.
It's not about hating hacker's , hell I'm sure Steve Jobs loves the fact that people are hacking the phone. But the business side has to fulfill his contract. - Quix, on 10/10/2007, -5/+8"Why not go with a phone that you'd be satisfied with out of the box?"
Um, because there AREN'T ANY? I've hated every cell phone I've ever owned. My last one (Sony T610) was the worst electronic gadget I've ever had the displeasure of using. The iPhone, despite its flaws, is the best of the lot by far. Period.
If you can, please provide me a URL to a phone that users aren't complaining about one feature (or lack of) or another, or aren't asking for improvements or added functionality. I'll be waiting... - tdhurst, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Welcome to the world of business.
- superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+5The thing is that as-is, it is an awesome phone and PDA like device. Of course the desire to extend it is strong, but most of us realize that being hacks, things can take a bit to work out and of course Apple updates will break some things - just as even some third party applications would probably break even if they were supported (just not as many and you could at least still load things on the phone).
For most people the iPhone is not the "Jesus Phone", just a damn fine smartphone that is only made better by the addition of extra software. - FredFredrickson, on 10/10/2007, -1/+4Apple is a company of small markets, and customers with big mouths.
- wageslaven, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I'll see your MiniMo and raise you DeepFish:
http://labs.live.com/Deepfish/default.aspx - FrederikNS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3"Currently it is not suitable for users. The state of the software at the moment is pre-alpha. If you order a Neo1973, DO NOT expect to be able to use it as an everyday phone until October 2007 at the soonest, and probably later. *Update* It is now possible, with some work, to use the phone for short periods of time using the Qtopia project's root images. These images are not from the OpenMoko project, but they let one send and receive calls, use contacts, and other basic tasks. Unfortunately, due to issues with the "suspend" feature, the Neo is limited to only a 3-5 hours away from a charger."
Why the hell would I want to buy an OpenMoko which clearly isn't ready? - adellario, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Really? Why would Apple fanboys care about Sony? Wouldn't they rather be out bashing Microsoft somehow?
- FredFredrickson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Apple is a company out to make money just like the rest of them...
- superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5Bricking means a dead phone, not a phone that is like it comes from the factory.
All of the features you mention are offset by the features it does offer, not to mention that WiFi is far faster than 3G already - I don't mind using EDGE in-between WiFi clouds. -
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