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- tbenathan, on 10/29/2007, -15/+71Every review thus far has said Leopard is far superior to Vista. Leopard just works. That's all that matters to the legions of now undecided consumers that will make the switch.
- newbill123, on 10/29/2007, -4/+52The meow starts now.
- marioestrada, on 10/26/2007, -8/+42"...It Beats Microsoft's" we knew that already...
- mobilehavoc, on 10/29/2007, -9/+41Holy *****, Mossberg doesn't gush over an Apple product. What's the world come to?
- aznhomig, on 10/26/2007, -13/+43"It Isn't Revolutionary, But It Beats Microsoft's"
No *****. Vista is God-awful. - theuniversal, on 10/25/2007, -3/+33"It took the Vista machine nearly two minutes to perform a cold start and be ready to run, including connecting to my wireless network. The Leopard laptop was up, running and connected to the network in 38 seconds."
- tyatne, on 10/26/2007, -11/+37Walt Mossberg,
You do not seem to be savvy enough to see why Leopard is revolutionary. Yes, you are right, Leopard is evolutionary in the features that you have described. Yet, it is revolutionary also and you seemed to have missed some really key features - ZFS, DTrace, Core Animation, 64 bit, resolution independence, UNIX core and many more. FYI the features you have discussed like time machine are really applications which seem evolutionary but you miss out the point that they could only evolve because of the underlying revolutionary features and APIs. I'd also like to add that more revolution will come in third party apps as Leopard is an awesome developer OS platform with revolutionary tools and APIs. I'd really suggest that someone as well known as you should not mislead your readers. You do not have enough knowledge to review Leopard. If Apple took the effort to give you a pre-release copy you should have atleast spent enough time learning about it and not rushed into a horrible misleading review. - aznhomig, on 10/26/2007, -3/+26UAC is stupid, performance is sluggish, Home Basic edition is startlingly crippled, interface is wonky and laggy, cluttered, and unappealing, Ultimate required to unlock true "potential" (or lack thereof), drivers are immature (I'll concede because because Vista's so new), and 64-bit drivers required signed drivers, which means development is stunted.
Have I used Vista? Yes I have. I switched back to XP after a few weeks. - BayAreaKing, on 10/28/2007, -3/+22Boy, was that boring. He was just repeating everything that everyone knows...in the most uninteresting way possible.
- MonkeyFarts, on 10/26/2007, -4/+21It does?
- nakani, on 10/26/2007, -3/+17You call it a jab, I call it living in a capitalist society. Vista is a direct competitor to Leopard, and this reviewer is expressing his opinion that Leopard is a better product overall.
And what is wrong with something being evolutionary rather than revolutionary if it's done right? I'd rather use something that works smoothly than a revolutionary new product with a revolutionary new set of problems and quirks. If you get caught up in the hype, that's on you. - theprez, on 10/25/2007, -0/+14New Intel Macs DON'T emulate Windows. They run it at native speed. Even when run within OS X it's now called Virtualization and is nothing compared to old emulating.
- zQiX, on 10/25/2007, -3/+16Well the cat's out of the bag...
- chembro84, on 10/25/2007, -0/+13I just got done installing Leopard, and I had installed Vista before too. Leopard upgraded very easily and quickly. When it was done all of my old settings were extactly how they should be. When I installed Vista, it installed fine, but then I spent 3 hours trying to find drivers for my hardware.
- blorc, on 10/25/2007, -4/+17Did you say "meow?"
- Nossie, on 10/26/2007, -0/+12"So, um, it takes 6 clicks to kill UAC" and that saves vistas security how?
'UAC' has been in linux, unix AND Mac OS X for years... that's half the reason Unix is so secure.... and you want to disable the only decent thing other than Aero that Vista offers? .... how microsoft goes about it is another story however.
zybch, get back to sniffing Gates ass... your digging yourself and the intelligence of the average windows user into a hole the more you spout your uneducated unintelligible 'facts' - terath, on 10/26/2007, -1/+13Ok. "It is easier to use." As in "Fewer steps are required for a given task. Those steps are also often more intuitive." I guess you want an example right?
You plug in a DVI connector to your mac laptop and.... the second screen engages and ... um... works. To disable it, unplug it. All the windows on it automatically move to the remaining monitor. Happy? - streak, on 10/26/2007, -5/+17"Windows just doesn't work" How's that?
- udahlen, on 10/26/2007, -0/+11It's not that hard to beat Vista. My customers (I'm an IT consultant) call me begging to downgrade to XP because Vista simply doesn't work and it's incredibly slow. Vista is a very bad release.
- nakani, on 10/25/2007, -2/+13I see that several posters are framing Mossberg as a puppet of Apple, but I haven't seen any supporting evidence, so it doesn't mean too much.
- nakani, on 10/26/2007, -3/+13Keep in mind, not everyone that reads the Wall Street Journal is a up-on-the-news nerd.
- KZeni, on 10/25/2007, -3/+13Core Animation is nothing similar to DirectX other than the fact they are display technologies. Core Animation is used for interfaces and application windows. DirectX is used in a game environment. You'd never see an Image Editor/Page Layout/Media Management/etc. application using DirectX, and you'd never see a game running Core Animation as the full game engine.
Just because you say Time Machine is less usable/intuitive doesn't make it so, and you will find yourself in the minority of that opinion. Watch a video or two of it in action, and you'll find restoring a file takes less time than finding/opening "the Previous Version thing" in Vista.
ZFS may be irrelevant to you, but if it were totally irrelevant, then why would there be people spending their time making something nobody wants? Oh, right... people want ZFS, just not you.
64-bit has been available for -all- OSes for years. The extent of the integration and feasibility of programming 64-bit is what has been improved. That's where Leopard has set the bar on 64-bit above other OSes.
There's a rule that is that you're not allowed to call ***** upon other people when what you're saying is *****. - skunkman62, on 10/25/2007, -0/+9actually it's time for:
linux is better, MS is better, Apple is better comments - theprez, on 10/25/2007, -0/+9New Intel Macs DON'T emulate Windows. They run it at native speed. Even when run within OS X it's now called Virtualization and is nothing compared to old emulating.
- lopla, on 10/26/2007, -3/+11Funny that he would say it's better than Vista. In all honesty Windows 98 is better than Vista. Vista is not something any modern functional OS should be compared to. After fighting Vista for 2 months I've given up and reverted back to XP SP2. Vista is the new Windows ME, MSFT has all but abandoned Vista as a failure and is now focusing on Windows7. I want my money back..
- gordeaoux, on 10/26/2007, -3/+11Resolution independence didn't make it into the release version.... and OS X has always had a UNIX core. The other stuff is nice, but not really earth-shattering.
- diabulos, on 10/26/2007, -2/+10I have to agree with him, and I am running Vista (since first beta)! Vista is still slow at reading hard drives with lots of contents, slow at refreshing thumbnails when viewing a folder's contents and slow at copying. It is also prone to the 'file being used by another application' error message when copying or deleting a file even though it is not being used by another application. It is erratic in maintaining network connections (not only on mine), the indexing server does not work as it should and even though I have been 'indexing' my files since April, it stills fails to find anything on those folders and keeps prompting me to search non-indexed files (yes, I have the correct file types and folders being indexed in the indexing settings!) it does funny things with memory (4 gigs), and so on, and so on...there are issues with VISTA, huge ones and we should stop just defending it and look at them, or MS will again trick us into something that does not do what it says on the tin.
- terath, on 10/26/2007, -3/+11You realize that the mhz of intel chips dropped a whole lot with Intel Core 2 Duo right? That's why they switched to the new numbering scheme. There is also a big difference between AMD and intel chips mhz wise.
Now, I'll grant you that the G4 was still pretty slow compared to the intel chips of the time. But they were not wrong about mhz being a poor indicator of speed. - tektalk, on 10/26/2007, -0/+7Huh, now I have a strange feeling of regret for buying a vista laptop.
- mahoneyxp, on 10/26/2007, -0/+7Tiger already beat Microsoft's, this is just salt in the wound...
- skunkman62, on 10/25/2007, -4/+11if you look up that the comment you just replied you can clearly see that he stated meow.
- crees!, on 10/26/2007, -1/+7That's because Apple doesn't sell cheap Walmart-esque *****.
- Thumper13, on 10/26/2007, -8/+14Good, I'm glad. I'll still use Vista as I seem to be one of the few who can manage to use both of my Vista machines trouble free.
More competition is good, and my next laptop might be a mac, so good for them. I like having a few good Operating Systems.
I'm sure this will become a Vista kill zone. But I'm happy with it, and happy with my Apple stock. - BossKey, on 10/25/2007, -1/+7Testing on the same hardware may not have made any difference in the final results.
I still remember that old review that claimed that the Apple MacBook Pro was "the fastest Windows XP notebook" and that "Apple's MacBook Pro running Windows XP is a better Adobe Photoshop rig than any other Core Duo laptop on the market."
Oh, here it is, thanks Google.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/22/mac_fastes ... - ba747heavy, on 10/25/2007, -0/+6***** duh.
The answer is "yes"....he works for a newspaper. - PapaRaboon, on 10/25/2007, -0/+6Actually OS X was classed as a UNIX like OS up until Leopard as they have worked hard to get full UNIX 03 certification for the 10.5 release:
http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/08/ ...
This puts them in with large organisations that specify certified UNIX for their mission critical applications.
So I guess that's pretty impressive. - Bicep, on 10/26/2007, -0/+6Dugg because Vista has let us all down. Learn something Microsoft. The landscape of personal computing has changed!
- inactive, on 10/25/2007, -2/+8MEOW!
- lopla, on 10/26/2007, -4/+9"I'll still use Vista as I seem to be one of the few who can manage to use both of my Vista machines trouble free."
Wow, what do you do on them? Boot them up, use calculator then shut down? Anything more is like trying to navigate a minefield of glitches and headaches. And no I am not an Apple fanboi, I am an MCSE sticking with XP SP2 and have advised my company to stick with XP as well until Windows7.. failing Windows7 we'll investigate a Linux rollout. Vista is unusable. - diabulos, on 10/25/2007, -0/+5Actually, why should it take 2 minutes? mine takes about that long running on pretty high end hardware...yet my sis's G4, loaded with tons of design software and what nots (illustrator, photoshop, font managers) is up and running in 1 min max at worst? face it, booting and shutting down in windows is convoluted and densely slow.
- BlueStarr, on 10/26/2007, -4/+9So hundreds of thousands, no millions of tech writers are getting it wrong?
- withincontext, on 10/25/2007, -3/+8As in, "ZOMG KITTENS MEW MEW PEW PEW"? If so, I am unfamiliar.
- ulmus, on 10/25/2007, -0/+5Walt Mossberg did actually review Ubuntu and thought it interesting, but not ready for widespread desktop use for non-techies.
- tyatne, on 10/26/2007, -0/+5Core Animation works with a layering engine that can perform 3D transforms on layers. Basically this means zoom, skew, stretch and other cool animations. Resolution Independence is really important here to ensure that the layer can look like its supposed to when transformed to different sizes on the fly. Aint that cool? Ofcourse much cooler if you have a big screen then spaces and other apps built on core animation would be really cool to use.
- PapaRaboon, on 10/26/2007, -4/+9Leopard is probably going to be revolutionary but not for it’s own great new feature set. It may be advanced and amazing and the best there is right now but I think it will be Vista’s lack of credibility that will be the catalyst that will make Leopard revolutionary.
I really can't see many Windows users (who refuse to upgrade to Vista) sticking with XP until Windows 7 Vienna or whatever they are going to call it is out. XP is already what, 7 years old? so Win 7 will be out 2010 - 2012 which is a total of 10 - 12 years without a full OS upgrade.
With the advancements that other OS builders are coming up with currently and more to come over the next five years these operating systems with a much smaller market share but better standards compatibility will leave MS in the dust. OS X and Linux are already way ahead of XP and Vista and by the time Win 7 is out their competition will be light years ahead of them.
Remember how you were going to get amazing things with Longhorn only to find that a whole chunk of them were not included when Vista actually materialised. Well apparently this is not the first time MS has overblown coming OS feature sets to keep their customers loyally waiting patiently and finally not being able to deliver them when the new OS finally gets released.
IBM was the big player once upon a time and they got toppled from that position. Nay sayers said they could not be budged from top position. They don’t even make PCs now.
So to those who blindly follow MS with their bloated OS and say they will always have top position. Lets see who is there at the top in 5 years time. It may be MS, it may be Apple it may even be the Linux consortium of flavours but time will tell.
It isn’t looking good for Microsoft right now. - nakani, on 10/25/2007, -0/+5When par for the course is computers working (usually), but with frequent hickups and exceptions, then using a product that "just works" is novel. I think you're creating an issue out of thin air.
- cquinnd, on 10/25/2007, -0/+5What codmate and betterth said. More to the point, there is no single OS that offers "it all" yet. For every feature you point to on the Mac that you claim PC users are missing out on, there will be a similar feature or add-on for the PC (Windows, Linux and alternate OSes) that is missing or incompletely implemented on the Macintosh.
Neither side can be said to be "lacking" in technology, but neither side can claim to cover the whole gamut of the user experience. - Nossie, on 10/25/2007, -0/+5I find it quite possible Intel would keep the better chips for apple... can you cite another same spec'd laptop that came out at the time of the mbp that ran windows faster?
I'm genuinely curious about this since I've also heard that the best laptop to run Vista on at the time was a macbook/pro - Boondoggle, on 10/26/2007, -0/+5OH WAIT, APPLES GROWTH MORE THAN DOUBLE THE REST OF THE INDUSTRY. And no, it aint just iPods.
Most buyers realize that paying a bit more for something that does not come with headaches is a good value. - Nossie, on 10/25/2007, -1/+5I'm somewhat a fan of apple I guess... and I agree with him... its evolutionary not revolutionary... but that's not to say I think he's half talking out of his ass when it comes down to architecture and details, Walt appears to be a good journalist but mediocre tech guy... but in all honesty I think it would be difficult to find someone that was really good at both.
I think core animation will be the main thing for leopard... Walt hardly covered it and since he is reporting for the consumer not the programmer maybe that is understandable. -
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