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- DeathJux, on 04/10/2008, -9/+54God DAMN it, I hate all this stupid ***** rivalry between OSes! Guess what, they both work! What you prefer depends on what your purpose is!
This is the exact same ***** as the stupid "Console Wars" :
"Xbox360 is better, it has more games! PS3 is better, the potential hasn't been fully used!"
STFU, everyone! - dariusperkins, on 04/10/2008, -6/+44*sigh*
Why can't we all just get along? - pitbull67, on 04/10/2008, -1/+17I've never understood the mac vs windows thing (now mac vs windows vs Linux). I use all three. Actively. I have machines set up to do different tasks and they have different strengths. Now I will admit my main desktop is an iMac and my main laptop is a macbook pro.....but that is because on those machines I DO have all three with me.
This argument over which is better is kinda silly. They all have positive points. I am a life long windows guy. I actively use multiple distros of Linux. I am new to the mac and happen to think it is a great computer. Cost is irrelevant to use. I love my mac. I love using ubuntu on my old Sony laptop....it really zips in this environment. (7 year old Sony with 512m of ram). I have a monster PC with vista ultimate running on it....and doing so relatively well.
To pick one platform and say that is the only one for you......totally limits your options. I have learned this through experience. Use them all. You get the best of ALL worlds. - DeathJux, on 04/10/2008, -3/+18This has nothing to do with OS X vs. Vista.
- actionscripted, on 04/10/2008, -2/+13That polished feeling you can't clearly define is a superior implementation of usability and design conventions. Fitt's law being one of the best examples.
- Ramzy, on 04/10/2008, -0/+9Vista SP1 official has been out since March 18th, mate.
http://tinyurl.com/yrfpva
I have nothing against Vista, though. I've been using it since launch without any drama. - digggggggggg, on 04/10/2008, -1/+10That's the smartest thing I've heard all day.
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -4/+12Yeah, this Mac VS PC argument has been going on since the time of dial-in BBS. The general conclusion is that anyone participating in the argument is an irrational assfunnel reacting to marketing. It's that simple. Nobody gives a ***** ***** what kind of computer you use.
- Calcularius, on 04/10/2008, -0/+8dugg for "assfunnel"
- RamezaniK, on 04/10/2008, -5/+11Just 1 reason why Gralla's article is pure *****: Every single argument is completely unsupported and circumstantial at best. I don't care which OS is actually better, but the only things that article shows are poor writing skills, lack of rhetoric and logic, and skin-deep Vista-fanboyism.
- jaisin, on 04/10/2008, -7/+13I haven't used Vista at all extensively so I can't comment on it, but I do use OS X and XP. I like both operating systems, but I think OS X is more polished. What I mean by polished is hard to explain, but I didn't really understand it until I used both OSs side by side for 6 months. At the start, I preferred Windows because it was what I was used to; I barely touched the Mac that I bought. Now I know how to get things done on both operating systems, and I think OS X is a better choice for me. I only boot into XP for gaming, but most of the stuff I do is on the internet anyway so the OS doesn't matter that much.
- estvir, on 04/10/2008, -11/+17There are so many flaws in your 'rebuttal' I don't know where to begin, but I'll cover 2:
> But then that begs the question: if a Mac can run OS X AND Windows AND Linux, wouldn't there thereotically be more apps available for the Mac?
They're comparing Mac OS, not the Mac hardware.
> I'll be sure to remember NOT to connect my MacBook (if and when I get a Macbook) directly to a hacker's computer in the future.
Mac OS X was eventually exploited by 'tricking' a user into opening a link in Safari. No direct connection was needed and the hacker also went on record saying Vista was more secure and mentioned things like Microsoft's Secure Development Lifecycle.
I'd address the rest but I couldn't really be bothered and it'd be a long post. Basically, you didn't really think out your rebuttal and generally, when you claim something is badly written, to badly write something yourself seems kind of silly and hypocritical. - i70CuDa, on 04/10/2008, -2/+8then one time, my dell got repaired.
- topgigmedia, on 04/10/2008, -0/+6The argument is stupid... It is really like saying one car manufacturer's model is better than another of comparable features, etc. It is really all matter of preference. That said, I prefer OS X to Vista, but I do not begrudge someone who prefers the ladder.
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -2/+8Maybe you should stop eating the DVD.
- JeffH, on 04/10/2008, -1/+6You're right, it was a crappy article and this counter-article is just as bad.
Both of them don't cite anything, base everything on assumption and opinion, and have extremely childish writing tones. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 04/10/2008, -2/+7Just as scary as "Steve Jobs is my personal savior."
- screwzluse, on 04/10/2008, -1/+6He wasn't saying he wasn't connected directly. He was saying the exploit doesn't require the hacker to be connected directly to the other computer, it was just easier to do that there. I'm not saying it's true or not (I didn't read up on the exploit or anything) but it sounds reasonable to me.
- linuxlucas, on 04/10/2008, -1/+6That's the third mac article in three days where this link has appeared. We get it.
- jtbandes, on 04/10/2008, -0/+5I prefer the ladder. It's really handy when you need to climb something.
- topgigmedia, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4eeek! I meant latter - it was late ;)
- inactive, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4They're connected because he was serving the website that Safari should visit on his own machine, it was more convenient and reasonable to set up a website that way than to use a third party hosting service, and expose a zero day flaw to a third party (and possibly the whole Internet)!
- phunlee, on 04/10/2008, -0/+4me, too. on the usage. I barely use Linux, but am between mac and pc all day long. I do lean to Mac as a favorite, tho. It's like dipping into a perfectly temperatured hot tub, after taking a cold shower all day long with Windows. Anyone else? Just me? That's okay.
- ScottyDelicious, on 04/10/2008, -0/+3;)
- donkeydrop, on 04/10/2008, -0/+3All five reasons are true, so bury as lame flamebait but not for inaccuracy.
- DeathJux, on 04/10/2008, -0/+3The article pits Vista against OS X, hence the use of "both," but obviously there's a myriad of OSes out there, all suited to different people and purposes. Windows and OS X just happen to dominate the desktop/personal computer market.
- Me1000, on 04/10/2008, -0/+3normally you should point out the inaccuracies...
- mntbikeracer1, on 04/10/2008, -1/+4That's nice, and my Thinkpad has been repaired in just as timely a manner in the past. This has nothing to do with software.
- WoollyMittens, on 04/10/2008, -0/+3This is as retarded as xbox versus playstation. Guess what? The rabid fanboys all trying to vindicate their purchase. People who have both systems never bitch in this kind of tribal warfar, while they are the only ones who can make an unbiased judgement.
I use both OSX and Windows XP. They both have strong points. They both have weak points. Make the best of both. - smspence, on 04/10/2008, -1/+4Stop repeating the stupid "_____ just drank _____'s milkshake" meme
- Shadowgamers, on 04/10/2008, -1/+4No girls on the internet. This article is obviously a lie.
- celticchrys, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2This is just the attitude that keeps most technically oriented females from admitting they are females. Most of the male geeks immediately cease intelligent conversation.
- kiddailey, on 04/11/2008, -0/+2Another example is screen redraw. In every version of Windows that has ever existed, there's always been this annoying redraw that happens. Desktop icons flash when you close windows, reveal the desktop or minimize stuff, window borders and contents draw on step-by-step, etc. As your computer gets busier, it becomes more pronounced. Even the "Expose" in Vista feels unpolished in this respect.
Compare this to OS X where objects are apparently rendered "out of view" so you don't see redraw and objects on screen have smooth transitions (shrinking to the dock, expose, etc). When I click the minimize in Firefox on OS X, my desktop icons don't flicker. - norbiu, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2"That kid" is like 35 years old!
- estvir, on 04/10/2008, -10/+12Oh, and 3 more for good measure:
> When that happens, Mac users might be in trouble, ..
How is 'most' adware and so on installed on Windows? By tricking users. Emails tricking users go back what, a decade? And many of them have been the biggest viruses in history (IIRC). So, unless you can guarantee /every/ Mac user is computer literature and unfailing than there is a security problem.
> And while we're talking about prices, how come the retail version of Office is still $400. You can't get a retail version of Windows for less than $200.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8129 ... - Office 2007 (Home and Student; Retail) for, wait for it, $149.99 (!) and I could possibly find cheaper versions too. I could also probably find Vista for under $200 too. So, lie more, really, it makes you look so much better than ComputerWorld in your oh-so-correct rebuttal of their 'shoddy' piece of journalism.
> What the hell does hardware prices have to do with Vista being a superior operating system? And how much hardware out there is actually "Vista Capable." It seems like you have to have a super computer to run it. There's a reason why XP was given extended availability to run on the Asus Eee. Vista runs horrible on it.
You're [legally] required to buy a Mac to run Mac OS, there are > millions of Vista Capable devices (IIRC, I'd need to find the news story again) and you do not need a super computer to run Vista ( http://arstechnica.com/guides/tweaks/vintagevista. ... -- For example). Also, people have gotten Vista running on an Asus Eee PC and I'd love to see Mac OS X (Not modified) run on an Asus Eee PC fine.
You, TUAW and ComputerWorld all fail miserably but you and TUAW more so since all you had to do was create a rebuttal to a CW article yet you managed to fail and to make it worse, both of you acted all self righteous and so on. - passedoutghost, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3"But then that begs the question: if a Mac can run OS X AND Windows AND Linux, wouldn't there thereotically be more apps available for the Mac?" YOUR DOING IT WRONG ('begging the question' is not used in that context)
- dariusperkins, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2History is littered with kids (and adults for that matter) arguing over the relative merits/foibles of their systems (atari st/amiga, SNES/Megadrive, ad nauseum).
Their underlying worry is that they have an inferior system and have to denounce the other to vindicate their choice.
Either that or they're worried about their tiny penises. - MacSuxWindozSux, on 04/10/2008, -3/+5MacOS sucks because it's a poor gaming platform, the hardware is apple only, and everything seems to be sold at a premium, and people who are vocal about using the platform think it's the best choice for all situations.
Vista sucks because you can't run it on older computers. The drivers have been slow to be upgraded. Companies like creative have used it as an excuse to drop support for older hardware, where the XP drivers still work in Vista, and you can steal driver files from the installer and install using Windows directly.
Linux Sucks because the damn thing wont install stuff easily without having to use console, compile, figure out wine, buy cedega, or discover repositories that I don't have.
Bootcamp sucks because I'd have to turn off bittorrent and my IM etc.
VM's are just as useful on any platform.
There I pissed everyone off. I gave everyone a reason to not like this comment. - Shadowgamers, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2I liked the time when I used to be able to google about an OS without finding a million and a half blogs on the subject of which one is best :V
- Me1000, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2I mean it's not like the link got old 2 years ago when it was the first posted 427 time!
- dmallymally, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2so true, i own a mac and a ps3, but just because i own those, doesn't mean i think the 360 and pc's suck. it's a matter of personal preference, i just like the interface of the mac better than windows, and it was pretty much a toss up between the 360 and ps3 when i went to buy.
- kiwimonk, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2and all i wanted was a milkshake :/
who cares. - shawnz, on 04/10/2008, -2/+4"1. Vista runs more software"
"This is unequivocally true ..."
"3. It's the money, stupid"
"Granted, we Mac users pay a premium ..."
"4. The Mac is closed; Vista is open"
"Again, this is true ..." - erikerikerik, on 04/10/2008, -2/+4ya got those backwards. =X
but yeah OSx was allowed a true "reboot" while Vista had to pander to the corp crowd. - diblasio, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3I totally agree. I use all three as well. Everyone is so busy pointing out the strengths of their favorite OS that they forget that after a while ALL of them are annoying. When I get tired of one, I go to the other. No big deal.
- Urkel, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2Actually, most of us could (and do) get along. Despite all the sensationalism and comments based on picking sides, a very large majority of both PC and Mac users respect each others OS choices or could care less what other people do. The problem is that these "regular" people don't bother talking about unimportant things like this which results in the biggest ***** having the loudest voices.
- Zindrix, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3Oh, so now its wrong to look up to people who have had (very) successful careers? Ok.
- Seidoger, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3That's what she said
- drewX2, on 04/10/2008, -0/+2I have used all three operating systems extensively in the last 10 years and currently still do.
Have you?
Each operating system has its pros and cons. All my servers are Linux except for one which is a windows server. I use windows for troubleshooting with clients and I use OS X myself for everything. The problem is 9 out of 10 people are ignorant because they have never tried OS X. - woofers07, on 04/10/2008, -1/+3I'm getting pretty sick of this OS debate. No one is gonna convince the other to switch, why don't we start debating our religious beliefs while we're at it? I'm burying any Mac, Unix, or Windows fanboy rhetoric stories from now on.
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