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- swOhio, on 10/12/2007, -65/+556Yeah, $500 dollars for a high end smartphone is almost as funny as $400 for a new bloated resource hogging OS.
Sounds like nervous laughter to me. - chris9902, on 10/12/2007, -35/+488currently, DRM has a 99.9% share. So we all lose.
- CLIFFosakaJAPAN, on 10/12/2007, -16/+191Steve Jobs' numbers are for the overall market; but I still think Steve Ballmer fudged his numbers up considerably
- Refrag, on 10/12/2007, -82/+245Well, Balmer says Microsoft sells millions of cellphones every year and they don't even make cellphones, so I am not going to believe a word he says.
- Jpantoga, on 10/12/2007, -22/+175Do the Microsoft v. Apple math
Apple numbers + Microsoft numbers / 2 - ***** constant - IamBobX, on 10/12/2007, -18/+142I'm confused. Steve Ballmer says he has 20 to 25% of the market for MP3 players 250 and up, yet Steve Jobs says in the launch month the zune only took 2% of the market.
The numbers make my ears bleed. - CLIFFosakaJAPAN, on 10/12/2007, -10/+115I remember when many (including Ballmer) laughed at the first generation iPod.....
- Charlotte_Web, on 10/12/2007, -31/+126On CNBC, Ballmer is laughing at the iPhone.
Internally, Microsoft is scrambling to copy features and ideas.
It's a typical Microsoft response. Someone should do a montage of Ballmer laughing at Apple products through the years. - Nitro187, on 10/12/2007, -14/+109"EXPLODES A LAUGH" Pardon me? I watched the whole clip looking for where he so called 'exploded', and saw no such thing. He giggled a bit, when he was mentioning the price point, rightly so.... just like I did when Sony announced theirs for the PS3.... but EXPLODE? Oh my good lord.
- wild, on 10/12/2007, -51/+141Screw the numbers, he flat out lied when he said the iPhone doesn't have a keyboard and wouldn't be worthwhile for email. Maybe he can't wrap his head around the idea that when you are using the email application, a keyboard is on the screen, and when your not, it disappears to allow for optimal use of the iPhone's surface.
Numbers are one thing, lies are another. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -78/+150Its easy as pie.
SteveJ, in an effort to marginalize Zune's traction, talks about the whole market, from $20 to $600 MP3 players.
SteveB, in an effort to maximize Zune's traction, talks about the $250+ MP3 players.
Why? Because Zune isnt really competing in the whole market yet, and SteveJ wants to label Zune a failure. Which it is not.
MS could simply BUY Sandisk or some other large player and "shotgun" the market, and take Zune from 2% overall to ?%... but the Zune is a longer play. Think XBox360. - GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -38/+106Windows Mobile, don't be a smartass.
- themulf, on 10/12/2007, -6/+69During the month of December, I think my store sold around 200 ipods to every one zune. Some of the zunes that were purchased were later returned. oh well.
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -27/+86Ballmer's been whistling past the graveyard ever since it became clear that Longhorn was a disaster. MSFT's shareholders better toss monkey-boy soon, or they have nothing but a slow decline to look forward to.
-jcr - joel8x, on 10/12/2007, -3/+55Every time I see this guy talk I am reminded of how perfectly he is portrayed in Pirates of Silicon Valley. Big dumb drunken jock.
- nbeighley, on 10/12/2007, -3/+53It's too bad Ballmer can't be the 'PC Guy' on the Mac commercials...he would be perfect for the part!
- wastern, on 10/12/2007, -1/+50I've never seen a Zune in the wild
- cthellis, on 10/12/2007, -8/+56@ furyritchie
Your rant could have ended much earlier, because both "ranting" and "being a dick" are not conducive to any real conversation. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -5/+52So where the hell does he "explode a laugh"?
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -8/+55My dad had the "pleasure" of meeting Ballmer. He said "Are you REALLY doing everything you can to help the stock of Microsoft?".
Apparently Ballmer went cherry red, and shouted out in the middle of the meeting "DO YOU KNOW HOW ***** MUCH I DO FOR MICROSOFT?! DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH STOCK I HAVE?"
Heh. - featherston, on 10/12/2007, -13/+60How can you not dislike this guy?
- EnderTheThird, on 10/12/2007, -5/+51@Refrag:
You're right, MS doesn't sell cellphones as a manufacturer, but I'd imagine they have at least a decent share of the market when it comes to their mobile OS for smartphones: Windows Mobile. I don't see many Palm smartphones out there anymore, at least not any new models; the Treo is the most recent one I can remember, but that comes in a Windows Mobile flavor now too. That's probably what Ballmer was talking about, but I don't usually try too hard to figure out what Ballmer is actually saying when he's talking... that's how aneurysms happen. - cthellis, on 10/12/2007, -9/+49Amusingly, Ballmer--with that comment--is also trying to squirm around the Zune's comparing to any direct competitors (i.e. "hard drive players 20GB and up") which come in just below $250 to compete on price.
I also tend to disagree with those numbers, as I'm pretty sure he's listing "shipped" instead of "sold," and likely looking only at a small bracket of time to get the most favorible number. On Amazon, the Zune was remarkably thrashed since its' launch (the first entry would usually show up behind all the current iPods, a couple Zen Visions, a 5th gen iPod or two, and the occasional Gigabeat or Archos player; the next would lag notably behind) and continues to do so, and while Amazon may not entirely reflect the overall retail market, it DOES fairly well represent the consumer Microsoft is targetting with the Zune.
I'd want to see numbers from multiple sources before I give it any credence toward being a reflection of actual, sustained purchasing. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+42Ah, the memories.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSIMeRtVebM - jejones, on 10/12/2007, -9/+40Laugha while you can, Monkey Boy!
- Rodzirra, on 10/12/2007, -3/+34Yeah, I don't think he "exploded" a laugh, either, Nitro. It looked more like he "squirted" it.
- Crustibooga, on 10/12/2007, -17/+43He reminds me of Homer Simpsons sinister twin brother. His conversation was great, kind o' like "We've 25% of the market for the $250 and over bracket, and that 20% is pretty healthy start. We feel that having 15% shows we're right to be competing." I'm sure if he had an hour to speak, he would've reached the correct figure. ;o) Still I'm glad that there is such a high profile monkey boy in the world, he's entertaining in a sinister sort of way (kind of sounds like Bush as well).
- mirunit, on 10/12/2007, -9/+33I like the Iphone but he is right. Its the same price as a PS3, for what? So 500$, plus a 2 year cingular lock-in and we should all buy it just because its apple?
- mirunit, on 10/12/2007, -12/+35That would be because the Ipod has become a fashion device, mostly because of its design. Microsoft needs to realize that it cannot beat the Ipod with features, but is going to have to out design apple - which I don't think will happen soon.
- r3zonance, on 10/12/2007, -13/+36"MS could simply BUY Sandisk or some other large player and "shotgun" the market, and take Zune from 2% overall to ?%... but the Zune is a longer play. Think XBox360."
That 2% that Steve Jobs mentioned was the market share of sales for the month of November ONLY. iPod still has something like 80% marketshare overall (Apple sold 62% of the all MP3 players in November). - justintsmith, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27did anyone else notice the look of insane fury in balmers eyes when the interviewer said Steve jobs?
watch again. it scared the ***** out of me - SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -11/+33Microsoft has very large market share in mobile cellphone/PDA devices, and I am actually (although it pains me to admit it) very happy with my Windows Mobile PDA/phone. It sure beats the hell out of most proprietary mobile phone OSs I've used both for functionality and ease of use (and considering it's Windows that doesn't say a lot for most other Mobile phones!).
- mattjumbo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+26"there are plenty of sheep here on digg willing to follow your tripe infested line of thought..."
It always amuses me when I hear the folks using Windows, along with 95% of the rest of the world, call Mac users, with 5 % of the market, sheep.
I mean zealots? Fine. Fanboys? Fine. But sheep? Do you even understand what the word means? Just to be clear you are saying that the Mac folks who comprise 5 percent or so of the market are "sheep" and the folks who comprise the rest of the *95 percent* of the market are what, freethinkers? - sshack, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24Reminds me of a used car salesman.
- bradtacs, on 10/12/2007, -2/+22how is this a DRM crippled phone? can you not put mp3s on it? can you not put ANY mp4 video on it? you don't need to put anything with DRM on it at all if you don't want to.
- ezkiel, on 10/12/2007, -6/+25The most smug, narcissistic, unworthy spokesperson for MSFT.
I'm voting with my stock. That guy belongs in a used car lot. The old boys club is all that saved him from becoming an average Joe. What he lacks in intelligence and coherence he makes up for on the obnoxious side of things. - calvey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+21Just on the off chance that anyone from Microsoft's PR department reads this : Steve Ballmer is not likable. K ?
Keep him off television, off radio, and off any recordable or broadcastable media. He is the epitome of what is wrong with Microsoft and I am reminded of exactly where the company is headed and why each and every time I see this jackass. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -20/+38"Explosive Laughter" isnt exactly a proper description here. Id say mild chuckle. I thought the interview made him look human and sincere. He answered the questions, was respect full of the marketplace and competition (which gives a tip-o-the-hat to delivering what people want...).
Whats with the hate? Sure, the monkey boy thing was funny, but it was sincere. Ballmer may not be as suave as Jobs, but given the opportunity, Id rather spend time with an awkward Ballmer, happy and excited than a cold, condescending hipster like Jobs appears to be.
He smiled, laughed a little, answered honestly, what the hell is wrong with the AppleFanboys on this site? Are you all that delusional? - laurentlasalle, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Where is the explosion of laugher?
- tracydanger, on 10/12/2007, -4/+22Admittedly, I love Apple products (aka fanboy), but I thought Steve Balmer was very respectable in this interview. It's silly to scrutinize him chuckling when asked that question.
- hoppdawg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+21
This is what happens when your company is ran by a salesman rather than a visionary.
He is crazy: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk - AggroBoy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+19Last time I checked the iPhone was not (yet):
- a follow on to the most successful product in it's space
- intended to dominate it's chosen market
- a year late
- based on unproven processor technology that looks like failing to deliver
- pushed by a marketing department that think it's a great great idea to insult their customers ...
- ... and blatantly lie to them - simplenation, on 10/12/2007, -11/+26http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSIMeRtVebM
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT5Kkl-Ii_M
Remember this is a software company - Triene, on 10/12/2007, -2/+17The fact that anyone could find the technology used in the iPhone laughable is beyond me. It has its bad points, but there is no denying that it is an amazing piece of technology, and something that other companies should aspire to.
Remember to consider this as the first generation of the iPhone. It's doubtful that it's going away, and it will only get better over time, just as the iPod did. I'm sure that over the next year and beyond that, we'll be seeing an iPhone that, like the iPod:
1. Comes in different shapes/sizes/price points/feature sets for different kinds of customers;
2. Is available on different carriers (that doesn't really apply to the iPod I suppose);
3. Is available with additional and improved features and applications;
4. Is even more slim and pretty, and in different colours;
5. Has more storage capacity.
I agree they made a pretty big mistake going with one carrier, let alone Cingular, for god's sake, but I'm guessing that we'll be seeing that change eventually.
I mean, the Razr was only for Cingular at first as well, but we see how that's turned out, now, haven't we?
...longer post than expected, sorry.
Oh, PS: This guy's voice gets on my nerves, and his personality is a close second. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+17BTW his voice didn't change from his crappy windows 3.11 ad to this.
- cthellis, on 10/12/2007, -11/+25@ geoken
The human mind is a particularly easy thing to trick. A little bit of key-clicking (and, of course, the visual effects) might be all it takes for most minds to make the transition to "tactile" to "virtual." Primitive monkey-brains like SOME kind of stimulus/response, but it doesn't have to be the same kind of response.
So long as you can type at speed, people will find what they first assumed would be annoying and prohibitive becomes their method of choice.
The iPhone's first proving point will be providing typing with no lag. Discernable lag would be the major kicker. Accuracy and self-correction help you type at speed and are important too, but those are more easily improved and not as immediately important for our aforementioned monkey brains. ;-) - ronmexico, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18It's a fully function phone and iPod that costs a lot of money, I don't get where you're coming from. It's not like you're gaining a phone bill, I'm sure you currently have one. We shouldn't buy it because it's Apple, we should buy it because it's really an incredible device. If you don't think so, don't get one, I won't be offended.
- dropoutfilms, on 10/12/2007, -1/+14If someone bought me a Zune, I'd punch them in the face.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -8/+21A chimp is a chimp is a chimp!
- estvir, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Obviously he's talking about an actual physical one.
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