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- miniboss, on 10/15/2007, -32/+301It's not hard to read between the lines here. Just like many other gaming companies, they don't make Mac games because Mac users only TALK about how they want games but they don't actually BUY them.
If Mac users were so interested in gaming then there would be more uproar as to what vid cards are built into the Macbooks, iMacs and Mac Pro's. But instead you see post after post of people defending Apple's decision to put mid-range cards into high-end systems. - fuzzmeister, on 10/11/2007, -28/+129http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/
- zigspective, on 10/10/2007, -6/+66I don't completely disagree with this. Mac has been lacking on the graphics card area, you can't really deny that.
Every day use, I'm on my Mac, but when I want to game, I fire up the PC. - noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -4/+59You just repeated what you said.
- Motocompo, on 10/10/2007, -14/+64Maybe the reason is that I don't have any cash to buy games after I pay out the ass for a semi-decent video card for a mac.
- Nodaki, on 10/10/2007, -65/+111Awesome...Steve Jobs/Apple is too busy figuring out how to plastic/steel coat last years technology, repackage and sell it at a huge markup to the trendy kids. Support for gamers...why? We have mindless drones that buy our products for look and 'cool factor' no real gamer would buy our systems anyway.
- toxicityj, on 10/10/2007, -25/+67Macs don't need games! they have fun stuff like iLife...and..and..hmm...World of Warcraft?
- Rileyper, on 10/10/2007, -6/+41Real gamers use windows, thats why its on my apple
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -3/+37I don't know why he's getting dugg down. Apple notoriously has sub-par video cards in their machines, even the higher end ones.
- BrandonMills, on 10/10/2007, -8/+40Talked to an Apple guy recently when they were at a MIT career fair. I tried to convey to him the importance of the gaming segment, and what Apple could do to bring in that audience. I layed out 3 things they could do myself - 1) A Mac between the Mac Pro and the iMac 2) Mac video cards closer to PC video card prices 3) Have a game distribution system, whether it be iTunes or Steam
All of this was promptly ignored. I was then told that a Mac between the iMac and the Mac Pro isn't needed, and Apple likes to 'keep things simple'.
Here I am ready to leave Microsoft with Vista, and Apple says FU to me as well. I guess I'm stuck with XP for gaming. ( Don't even bring up Linux gaming. That's a sad, sad, sad tale. ) - EvilNapkin, on 10/10/2007, -9/+40"Meanwhile casual gamers might play 10 minutes a day and go do something else. "
If all your going to do is play a game for 10 minutes then i don't even see why you bought the game in the first place. - Carsonauto, on 10/10/2007, -11/+42Bootcamp is basically Apple's excuse for poor game support.
- toxicityj, on 10/15/2007, -16/+46that won't do you any good if the hardware sucks...
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -10/+36Just get windows if you want to play games.
- brufleth, on 10/10/2007, -12/+37Making a game compatible with a given platform costs something. If that cost isn't justified by sales then why bother?
Besides, just boot into Windows on your Mac, problem solved. - nunofgs, on 10/10/2007, -16/+41Sadly, I find this to be absolutely true. That's why I just keep a windows desktop in my room.
- amnesiac096, on 10/10/2007, -3/+28@Me1000
EA didn't and hasn't ported their games for Macs, instead they did a work around and used Cider which is just a wrapper for running Windows games on Intel-based Macs. I would think that Valve would actually want to do it right the first time, and not use a wrapper or emulator. EA sucks anyway, so don't go saying they did anything spectacular, cuz they didn't. - joshzweig, on 10/10/2007, -5/+30As great as BootCamp is, it's that people want to play games natively in OS X, without having to reboot into a new operating system, or splitting their resources between OS X, and a Windows in Fusion/Parallels.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/10/2007, -1/+24You don't need to use signed drivers on Windows.
- sakuraz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+22More like, people want to try out Macs, but they realise their favourite games don't run on it, so they give up.
It's a vicious cycle. - cbreaker, on 10/10/2007, -4/+25Ohh, but it's not just 10FPS. The new video cards are much faster then 10FPS more then what you get in apple's "high end" Mac Pro machines. We're talking twice or maybe three times the performance. And, you don't have to buy the absolute most expensive video boards to make that happen either.
The complaint is that they market the machines as super-high-end, which they are, except for the video. Unfortunately, video performance is extremely important.
It's Apple's fault that you can't plug in a new PC video card into the Macintosh. They don't provide an open way for vendors to supply video drivers. They have to get filtered through Apple first. - scoobycarolan, on 10/10/2007, -14/+34Mac users aren't used to having decent games. Blizzard used to sell Mac games like hotcakes until someone decided they needed a hot FPS to start selling consoles. Unreal Tourney sells well, and Carmack doesn't have any trouble porting IDs engines over to OSX. Doesn't sound like Valve is committed to the Mac, why should the Mac be committed to them?
- ike6116, on 10/10/2007, -3/+23The thing is is that he is right. Apple has not done much to make the game developer's life easier. Ryan Gordon's (read: Icculus, the man solely responsible for a lot of Mac / Linux games) comments on this are well documented.
The thing is as annoying and entitlest as Mac users are, Gamers are just about as bad. Personally I am thankful the two have never combined forces, forum servers across the world would buckle. - wageslaven, on 10/10/2007, -7/+26But if they put better graphics cards into their machines, the prices would be even more outrageous.
- msgyrd, on 10/10/2007, -0/+19Development cost vs. ROI
It's not that they can't, it's just that they won't. - norman619, on 10/10/2007, -9/+26Oh yeah it's a big conspiracy. You sound like the Truthers.
- LowFuel, on 10/10/2007, -1/+17I dont mind the bootcamp solution, I am willing to reboot in order to play a game. But, I'm not going to drop 2.5k on a Mac Pro until I can get it with a geforce 8800.
- YuriSakazaki, on 10/10/2007, -49/+64YOUR comment is blatant *****. There's a difference between a hardcore gamer and a casual gamer. Windows has that hardcore market, people who spend that extra cast on 10 FPS more. Those are the gamers that go out and buy games on release day, the ones who go out and spread the word, who spend all day playing. Meanwhile casual gamers might play 10 minutes a day and go do something else. They're not gonna go preorder Orange Box and beta test like a hardcore gamer would. Because frankly, if you were a hardcore gamer, you'd be playing in Windows and not complaining in the first place.
- klisejo, on 10/10/2007, -7/+22There are Mac gamers?
- Crimsoneer, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18Erm...because frankly, Valve doesn't particularly need hte mac market. The mac market could really use valve games.
- noahhoward, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15I can't believe he would ignore your expert consulting.
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Really? Name one big name FPS popular on the PC which is out on the Mac as well. Not talking ancient games either. A modern game.
- spyrochaete, on 10/10/2007, -2/+15Microsoft has bent over backwards for over 10 years to make a games development kit, DirectX, based on the requests of the games industry. MS worked very closely with many of the biggest developers to make sure their platform was easy to use, made certain features quickly accessible and configurable, and supported a wide array of hardware automatically.
Apple hasn't done *****. I conclude from this interview that Apple wants to put the onus on the developers who don't care enough to write new code from scratch to sell an extra 30 copies.
I agree with Gabe that games would bring Mac converts over in droves. Aside from the relentless snooty advertising, games are the one thing that keep me repelled from Apple. - HiddenCanuck, on 10/10/2007, -5/+18that's what boot camp is for!
Heck i run ubuntu but i still boot into windows for my TF2 goodness. - quomen, on 10/10/2007, -7/+19Rudy Giuliani has 9/11.
- Breepee, on 10/10/2007, -0/+12Great example. That's a 5 yr old game. PC-gamer are already putting Battlefield 2142 behind them and moving to newer stuff.
- MacSuxWindozSux, on 10/10/2007, -2/+14Windows has 9/10 of the market.
- Jorg, on 10/10/2007, -0/+11What a stupid attitude. Bungie made games for a living. MS offered them the chance to make games for a much bigger audience withough having to beg a publisher for cash. They made the right decision.
- archer75, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Any computer you can't replace the video card in isn't worth developing games for. Macs are just not gaming platforms.
- cloudyprison, on 10/10/2007, -5/+15Hey now they've got WoW, what more do you need?
(Who am I kidding?) - norman619, on 10/10/2007, -4/+13Well to be fair I'm an avid PC gamer but with a fulltime job and freelance work on the side I don't get to play my games very much. Not everyone has hours to devote to game playing at each sitting. Some of us have things like work and other obligations which demand a large share of our time.
- TotalHalibut, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Sorry.. HD cards? What is this a console?
- minivanmegafun, on 10/10/2007, -11/+20Buried for low-content
- msgyrd, on 10/10/2007, -3/+12As a longtime Mac laptop user, I really never even thought about it being a "statement of trendiness" until I got to college as I'm certainly not a trend follower, and it wasn't until I got to college I even encountered another Mac user, and even then, the stereotype doesn't fit. Most of the PC vs Mac battle only exists on the net, and the "Macs are only for trendy kids" seems to only exist here on Digg or maybe in some big city or something. I've certainly never encountered the stereotype holding true.
Digg has a massive distortion of reality for the most part, kinda like there is almost no sarcasm detection here. - colincornaby, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I think you meant Bungie instead of Blizzard. Ah, the days when Halo was a Mac first game...
- Balanced, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9I think the poster meant Bungie.
- BuzzFriendly, on 10/10/2007, -2/+11Did you even think about your words before you wrote them? If a person spends a few thousand on a computer and as you say is able to afford the game (though I fail to see how that translates) you would think that multi thousand dollar computer would have a graphics card that was worth something. All your saying is that some people are willing to pay thousands of dollars on a computer (they are all Intel now so only the OS is differentiates them now) that is lacking. All I can say is go enjoy playing with Photoshop and making cute little movies and picture slide shows while I snuggle up to my dual 8800 Nvidias on my spyware and virus free Windows XP box.
On second thought I guess you could go get boot camp and run XP but then you still have to deal with crappy video card. - IndigoMoss, on 10/10/2007, -0/+9Depends on what model said GeForce is. They make all kinds of different models for all different types of usage and price brackets. Sort of like cars, just because you have a Chevy let's say, doesn't mean it runs like a Corvette.
- norman619, on 10/10/2007, -8/+17Hate this comment system...
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