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VOIP on iPod touch

tuaw.com — Remember Marian, the guy who's building a preamped mike for the iPod touch? Today he writes that touch hacker eok has ported Samuel's SvSIP to the iPod and has both sent and received phone calls

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trebe, on 12/10/2007, -1/+57wooot. My iPod touch gains more and more functionality everyday.
- RedS0x, on 12/10/2007, -2/+4I know, this is something I've been waiting on for a while, too. Next up: native SMS app with receiving capabilities.
  - TheDarkTipper, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1This is awesome.
    SIP was also ported to the DS. I am able to use it as a phone also, but there has not been much development for it.
  - bigsteve, on 12/10/2007, -0/+6There already is the closest thing you'll see to full functioning SMS on the iPod Touch... The Mobilemail.app from the iPhone. It does run on the iPod Touch, and can send SMSs via each carrier's respective SMS gateway. So you'd need to make address entries in your address book for all your contacts, so if Tom is on T-Mobile, and his mobile number is (215) 555 6789, you'd have to send an email to 2155556789@tmomail.net. When Tom replies, it comes back to your mail client as new mail. Some of the carrier's SMS gateways might even support MMS, so if you email a picture, they receive it as a multimedia message. I know Verizon's does. I found this list... http://www.accutracking.com/sms-email.html
    
    I suppose someone could whip up a native app that uses some of the free web gateways out there, but responding wouldn't work.
- MOJIRA, on 05/17/2008, -11/+2Why not just get an iPhone and unlock it to whatever carrier you like?
- stepnet, on 12/11/2007, -8/+1/sigh.
  
  Because the iPhone isn't available yet?
shuster420, on 12/10/2007, -10/+4Skype or FRING PLEASE!
- autoatsakiklis, on 12/10/2007, -0/+18Skype has closed protocol, so the only place where you can request skype for iphone/ipod touch is forum.skype.com (official site)
IEatHamburgers, on 12/10/2007, -3/+24This opens a lot of doors... I'll bet you $10 that within a couple months from the SDK being released, you'll be able to buy a Belkin mic adapter for the iPod Touch (or perhaps a wired-up plastic case that had a speaker and a mic?), download Skype (or Gizmo or something) from iTunes, and yak away.
- JonnyTrombone, on 12/10/2007, -4/+14Doubt it- Apple stands to lose major $$$ from this (as does AT&T),
  - marm0lade, on 12/10/2007, -7/+1Except for this article is about the ipod, not the iphone.
    - bigsteve, on 12/10/2007, -0/+2We don't know what closed-door exclusivity agreements were made between AT&T and Apple. The iPod Touch is an interesting case as it's pretty (hardware wise) an iPhone minus the GSM module, and handset mic and speaker. There's nothing really stopping this open source SIP client from running on the iPhone, as they're virtually the same platform.
    - mikev, on 12/10/2007, -0/+4iPod Touch is $100 less than the iPhone. If I can have Skype on my cheaper device, why buy the iPhone? Apple isn't gonna let any VOIP apps on peoples devices once the SDK is out. Sad but true.
    - aristotle0dude, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1People that need to make a call where WiFi is unavailable?
  - Hooger158, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1Uh, I'm pretty sure that Apple makes the iPod AND the iPhone. One of them they charge more money for because it's a phone (that they have an exclusive deal with AT&T to share the profits from). The other is a media player/pda that they sell as NOT a phone. Why would they encourage people to hack the Touch by putting Skype on Itunes? If they wanted to do it, they would have already enabled VOIP and there wouldn't be a need for a hack. IEatHamburgers owes me $10.
    - IEatHamburgers, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1By your logic Apple says the devices don't need any more functionality than they already have, yet they're actively promoting third-party webapps on their website and building an SDK that will soon allow third-party native apps on the devices, probably installed there through iTunes. Besides, there would be no hacking involved provided Apple kept the audio inputs and outputs working.
    - elmafudd, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1By his logic, Apple will not release a free solution which gives almost the same functionality to compete with their own products.
- removesstains, on 12/10/2007, -1/+14More like in a couple of days there will be a firmware update to block this.
- jt28, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1id have to agree, even if it wasn't in the original plan apple couldn't have been dumb enough not to know the community would get straight onto this, hell they probably considered it themselves. but why delay a product with any further RD time for such a feature when you can rely on these kinda people to create both the solution and the demand for a later 'endorsed' update? (coverflow) it will be interesting to see how it pans out...though even in the worst case scenario I'm sure apple would come out with less bruises than AT&T, 02 etc its been one bad thing after another for those guys.
Holocaust, on 12/10/2007, -6/+4iWoot!
DasCrackbaby, on 12/10/2007, -38/+3NERDS NERDS NERDS NERDS NERDS NERDS NERDS NERDS NERDS
- tedhead2k, on 12/10/2007, -0/+28Nerds that save money on long-distance calling!
- Tribalvirtue, on 12/10/2007, -1/+9Still upset that being captain of the high school football team doesn't matter after high school?
  
  Also, I would like fries with that. ^_^
JohnDavis730, on 12/10/2007, -2/+7one small step for man...
- darkyplasma, on 12/11/2007, -1/+2one big leap for ipod touch users
80hd, on 12/10/2007, -1/+5Awesome coding/hacking. A dock-plug mic seems easy to rig but what about the speaker? Is somebody out there going to rig a dock to bluetooth adapter so that standard cell phone earpieces will be compatible?
- IEatHamburgers, on 12/10/2007, -1/+6You'll have to wear the headphones while you're talking on it.
- pgillan, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1The iPhone has a great feature I've never seen mentioned, but use all the time: you can play music or podcasts using the speakers that are used for the speakerphone function. It's not a great listening experience, and not useful in any kind of noisy environment, but when it's appropriate, it's nice to be able to put on something to listen to without having to futz with headphones. Which brings me to my question: does the iTouch have external speakers?
- uphi, on 12/18/2007, -0/+0www.wi-gear.com/products/imuffs/ is a bluetooth device I bought and it WORKS with the ipod touch! Drawback is the price. Now for some software
scottmweaver, on 12/10/2007, -2/+7Aw dammit. He just ripped us iPhone users a new one.
- bigsteve, on 12/10/2007, -0/+4Not really. This doesn't replace the functionality of the GSM radio in the iPhone. It merely accents it. As an iPhone user, when this sees the light on the iPhone side, I'll use it as well.
zyl0x, on 12/10/2007, -3/+3Title is misleading. Forgot your question mark.
Harrison88, on 12/10/2007, -10/+4I didn't realise the iPod touch had a mic?
- InferiorWang, on 12/10/2007, -0/+1then you didn't rtfa. the guy previously wired a mic into his ipod touch.
removesstains, on 12/10/2007, -4/+30Apple will just release a new firmware to block this. They don't like losing money.
- westway2world, on 12/10/2007, -1/+10Does anybody?
- bigsteve, on 12/10/2007, -1/+8I don't see how this "loses Apple money." It might make AT&T upset a little, but probably not even that. AT&T can't force Apple to perform the miracle of an unhackable device.
  
  Also, firmware updates are optional and as history has dictated, usually quickly circumventable.
- harryterry, on 12/11/2007, -1/+1why does it matter if they release a new firmware?? i'm still running the original with the first hack. there'll be no need
Rozal0, on 12/10/2007, -6/+1If someone makes skype to work on the Ipod Touch, it's basically an Iphone restricted by wifi hotspots. -suprise bills
orthodoxDrew, on 12/10/2007, -16/+6my blackberry already does skype. and google maps. and MS EXCHANGE. I WIN
- corsairstw, on 12/10/2007, -3/+3Microsoft fanboy.
- Canuck, on 12/10/2007, -0/+4Ya, but does it play music as well as the Touch can?
  - mikev, on 12/10/2007, -1/+3I'm sure it can, but that's not why I bought my iPhone. The iPhone and iPod touch provide a better experience over functionality.
- bigsteve, on 12/10/2007, -1/+3Tell you the truth, I didn't know we were competing. But uh, congrats, I guess. I like my iPhone, works fine for what I do, and I actually enjoy using it. I'm glad whatever it is you use works for whatever the hell you do with it.
FredFredrickson, on 12/10/2007, -1/+18Building a "mike?" Oy...
- Dgen_X, on 12/11/2007, -0/+3iMike? He's iZac's brother right?
Bigflexy, on 12/10/2007, -2/+1Good bye telcos :)
- bigsteve, on 12/10/2007, -0/+3This isn't the first time a device in this class has had a SIP client ported to it. The telcos appeard to have weathered those little rainclouds just fine.
GunDownCCL, on 12/10/2007, -0/+11***** Yea.
- Dylson, on 12/11/2007, -2/+1Hell Yea.
bertmg, on 12/10/2007, -0/+4if Apple doesn't implement this feature, some one else will.
- demonic, on 12/11/2007, -0/+2Apple won't because of the legal tie with the iphone to AT&T
Dorian822, on 12/11/2007, -5/+3This is the best tech post...ever.
Wickedboss, on 12/11/2007, -1/+5Screen Shoot : http://bananenoeffnen.de/VoiPod/VoIP-Test.html
- smspence, on 12/11/2007, -0/+3Why are the Z and Y keys swapped on the keyboard?
  - AndrewWiggin, on 12/11/2007, -0/+5Haven't you heard of qwertz?
    - LR2_, on 12/11/2007, -0/+2haha, I thought you were kidding.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTZ
      - AndrewWiggin, on 01/10/2008, -0/+1Err, oops, I was. Well now I owe YOU a thank-you good sir!
Dylson, on 12/11/2007, -1/+1This is very exciting news.
PirateEyes, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1My ipod touch's functionality has grown like an embrionic brain in the past two weeks. Honestly.
Sikarian, on 12/11/2007, -3/+2Forgive me for not knowing much about the Touch, but wouldn't this only provide VOIP service where there is a wireless network for you to connect to?
- smspence, on 12/11/2007, -5/+1DUH
- AndrewWiggin, on 12/11/2007, -1/+3Yes, of course.
  - Sikarian, on 12/11/2007, -2/+2As I thought, so I fail to see how this is some magic iPhone replacement. I can't use it as I'm driving around the county, or on the free way.
    - zongamin, on 12/11/2007, -2/+2why follow up the stupidest comment ever with more rubbish - of course it only works where theres a wifi signal.
    - thailand1972, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1@zongamin, why so harsh? It's a valid point. I don't see much value in this. I have an iPhone and can surf the net and make calls virtually anywhere. Now when it comes to WiFi, even in Bangkok (where I live) you find a WiFi hotspot and it ***** sucks for bandwidth, making VOIP impossible. The only WiFi that has a decent speed is the one in my home and I have a wireless VOIP phone anyway there. I just don't see much value in this at all. Maybe you guys live near all kinds of WiFi hotspots with plenty of bandwidth, but a lot of people do not.
- zongamin, on 12/11/2007, -1/+2wake up son.
hell0dave, on 12/11/2007, -2/+1My DS has VoIP, hail homebrew.
andyh2, on 12/11/2007, -0/+7we need skype
kcen, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1Can I get some ventrilo...
hueristix, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1They have a better version of this where you can make calls anywhere called iPhone. The cost per month is worth being able to actually talk. Now, many of you have not heard of this... look into it and I'm sure you will be shocked.

Seriously, though, this is sweet, I would actually think this would be perfect on an iPhone, free VOIP whenever possible, with Ma Bell&T for all those most-of-the-time times.
- AceTracer, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1I've been looking into it since I bought my iPhone on June 29th. There is no VoIP application for the iPhone. TruPhone demoed a VoIP application months ago, but have not released anything. I'm on their beta waiting list and have e-mailed them repeatedly, they currently have no plans to release TruPhone for the iPhone, very likely due to the current state of native iPhone development.
  
  There are websites like Skype4iPhone and JaJah which do the middle-man VoIP thing, but they waste minutes and isn't useful when you're roaming.
DevilInPgh, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1There is a huge drawback to VoIP on the iPod Touch, however: in order to use it, you need to be within range of a Wi-Fi hotspot and continuously configuring to use it. Although some people would like to think Wi-Fi is as ubiquitous as CDMA or, for that matter, GSM signals, it simply isn't. Plus, Wi-Fi access isn't always free. I doubt you could use your iPod Touch for anything Internet-related in a Starbucks without giving T-Mobile a chunk of your money (notwithstanding free access to iTunes in all Starbucks cafes).
- thailand1972, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1plus free WiFi hotspots often have crappy bandwidth making VOIP impossible much of the time.
keiterk, on 12/11/2007, -0/+1If people would dig around a little and RTFA, then they'd realize that the only thing working is SIP. SIP stands for Session Initiation Protocol -- and it's simply used for initiating VoIP sessions. They have not actually implemented the ability to transfer audio data. Given about two days, I could implement SIP for the iPhone in Python. Hell, maybe even a day with the right combination of energy drinks. This is exciting, but not *that* exciting. Call me when they get audio working instead of just piping to /dev/null.
sprint84, on 12/11/2007, -0/+0dugg not really for the application itself, since i don't think i'll be using it very often (requires an external mic and wi-fi nearby).

But this digg goes specially for the iPhone/iPod touch dev team, who make this device more incredible than Apple was capable of delivering.

Tnx, dev team!
superskfire, on 12/12/2007, -0/+0In real life, iron cuts iron, and .... it is fascinating to see that phone will kill phone. If you get successful with breaking these SIP codes to allow VOIP through iPhone and smiler phones in market, I think the day is not very far when carrier are just mare WiFi provider and that era will be boom for customers and for developers community who are eager to go all out on inventing new services.
[Saurabh Kaushik]
http://www.nanosaka.com
uphi, on 12/18/2007, -0/+0Here is a bluetooth device that works with the ipod touch. Problem is the price $175 I got one and confirm it works. Now for some software for voip
www.wi-gear.com/products/imuffs/
- uphi, on 12/25/2007, -0/+0I got the $25 Walmart ipod iVoice to work with vnotes which means the touch will work with voip when it comes out 1-1-08. The mod to the unit is not too hard. U4 is a Max9812 like the one the mic project boys have been working on. The 'secret' is to remove R24 (a 0 ohm) resister near the very edge of the board. One side is connected to pin 1 of U4. That is the amp chip enable pin. The pin is low via other hardware on the board.
  Now wire from where the R24 U4 was to one side of the LED. That will put 3.3 VDC on pin 1 of U4 turning it ON ! Now the mic amp is on and working.
  The beauty of all this is the mic is available at Walmart for $25 and it has a line in plug to boot !
  I hope this helps further the voip project by making the mic available nearly everywhere.
  Earl
  http://macally.com
  It is the iVoice III
utgodmode, on 12/24/2007, -0/+1This actually doesnt make any sense. Ipod touch is actually a apple iphone - calling functionality and the apps are just building up the calling functionality by providing a native SIP client on top.

Read vinay's post on how ineffective these apps could be especially on facebook where VOIP isnt really a buzz word. http://voipguides.blogspot.com/2007/10/voip-on-fac ...
uphi, on 12/25/2007, -0/+0I got the $25 Walmart ipod iVoice to work with vnotes which means the touch will work with voip when it comes out 1-1-08. The mod to the unit is not too hard. U4 is a Max9812 like the one the mic project boys have been working on. The 'secret' is to remove R24 (a 0 ohm) resister near the very edge of the board. One side is connected to pin 1 of U4. That is the amp chip enable pin. The pin is low via other hardware on the board.
Now wire from where the R24 U4 was to one side of the LED. That will put 3.3 VDC on pin 1 of U4 turning it ON ! Now the mic amp is on and working.
The beauty of all this is the mic is available at Walmart for $25 and it has a line in plug to boot !
I hope this helps further the voip project by making the mic available nearly everywhere.
Earl
http://macally.com
It is the iVoice III
lolo2007, on 01/27/2008, -0/+0They have a better version of this where you can make calls anywhere called iPhone. The cost per month is worth being able to actually talk. Now, many of you have not heard of this... look into it and I'm sure you will be shocked.

Seriously, though, this is sweet, I would actually think this would be perfect on an iPhone, free VOIP whenever possible, with Ma Bell&T for all those most-of-the-time times.
http://www.paramegsoft.com
http://game.paramegsoft.com/
ahbab, on 05/16/2008, -0/+0They have a better version of this where you can make calls anywhere called iPhone. The cost per month is worth being able to actually talk. Now, many of you have not heard of this... look into it and I'm sure you will be shocked.
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