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- kris33, on 10/10/2007, -4/+29This is *****!
A phone call is not an A) appropriate B) commonly used and C) legitimate form of communication to halt an operation of this type. Courts will ask for a paper trail which requires any law firm to first issue a certified letter (meaning you sign it when you recieve for purposes of recording events) stating what the possible violations.
Think about it folks! How many times have you been late on a bill and recieved a phone call the next day? You don't, you get a letter and if the violation persists then a phone call is issued. This goes on with other legal such as rent, bills, loans, violations etc.
If you are familiar with any of the P2P files networks or even Torrent sites, you will notice that they always recieve a letter from the law firm establishing their presence and enlightening the individual of who they are representing.
A phone call is not substantial enough. There has to be something in writing stating the violations or possible violations that will occur if that individual proceeds with an act. - ravenmuffin, on 10/10/2007, -1/+15There's a high probability it's a scam to harvest email addresses (claimed to be around 500,000).
Consider the evidence:
1. The company's been claiming to know how to do it since day one.
2. Just hours after Engadget's Ryan Block received a preview demonstration of another firm's solution (iphonesimfree.com), they announce their own to ride the publicity.
3. No independent witnesses have confirmed the validity of their claim.
4. Any communication from lawyers would have at least taken place through fax and/or registered courier mail.
5. It is Apple's product, so why would AT&T be making the threats?
6. Apple also has more to lose: $11/month revenue sharing, 10% from European partners, FOR EVERY IPHONE UNLOCKED. AT&T would simply lose a handful of customers to T-Mobile. (You still need GSM service from *someone* and AT&T's plans aren't bad.)
7. These "dramatic" types of plots (midnight calls from lawyers, release in 24 hours!) are typical methods to create urgency and encourage people to submit their email address.
Based on the evidence, there's more probability it's a scam than otherwise.
The case is stronger for iphonesimfree.com being genuine.
Although the Engadget story and video demonstration are not without their own red flags, the biggest of which: it was done by Ryan Block, the guy who spread the story that the iPhone was delayed until October on the basis of a faked internal Apple email.
There's a possibility he was either duped again, or was being deliberately mischievous by demonstrating a TurboSIM instead to call Veronica's (pink!) iPhone.
On balance, though, I believe the iPhone was genuinely unlocked by iphonesimfree.com, by a technique that does through software what geohot's hardware hack did. - xiambax, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Put it up on pirate bay! give it to world free.
Who would at&t point the finger at! - pyry, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Maybe if they weren't charging something for it there would be less of an issue. Who wants to pay $50 for an unlock code for their-- ... oh wait, $600 phone. Nevermind, proceed.
- diulei, on 10/10/2007, -1/+8How is this SIM card fraud? Understandably AT&T is pissed, but as a consumer - if I buy a phone I should be able to use it on any damn carrier I want. Locked phones are *****.
- mufasa, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7Engadget: "Again: we can confirm with 100% certainty that iPhoneSIMfree.com's software solution completely SIM unlocks the iPhone, is restore-resistant, and should make the iPhone fully functional for users outside of the US. "
http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/24/iphone-unlocked-atandt-loses-iphone-exclusivity-august-24-2007/ - clarkembree, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6press release from Uniquephones--- http://blog.iphoneunlocking.com/?p=15
- mousky, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6AT&T is annoyed? How about people that are annoyed that certain features are locked? Imagine if GM 'locked' your car? "Yes sir, your vehicle comes with power windows, however, because of the discount we gave you, that feature is locked". Consumers have to stop falling for this *****.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4how is that unfortunate?
- JoeLeo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5AT&T doesn't manufacture the iPhone.
As we all know, unlocking locked cell phones is 100% legal.
Purchasing a iPhone is a hardware purchase - not a software license.
This is why we are in need of both wireless network neutrality as well as Internet network neutrality. - insomniac8400, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Unfortunately all AT&T can do is prevent American companies from selling the software. If they can prevent that, the software will be online for free, and/or be sold by companies overseas.
- peestandingup, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Make no mistake about it. These guys have been FULL OF ***** since day one. A couple weeks after iPhone's release, they claimed to be able to unlock "some" iPhone & not others. And now this crap. All the while, not providing one SINGLE shred of proof.
- wink21, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Give the Engadget guys your software for free to prove it exists
- ravenmuffin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I agree, but the analogy is more like:
You're only allowed to drive on roads in our neighborhood and you must buy your fuel from us. - vtmn, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3iPhones aren't subsidized.
- fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Give me one good reason why I shouldn't be able to unlock my phone. Just one.
- amfantasy, on 10/10/2007, -6/+8give it away for free. unless its something that actually costs money like a mod chip. Selling it is just wrong. People who sell bootlegs make me sick
- nomasteryoda, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4Jeez guys, A phone that you buy is not their phone. This is not a software package its a phone. If you want something open and hackable, then get an OpenMoko and a Provider that allows you to hack the phone to suit your needs. You are the consumer and the one with the power to tell at&t to where to go.... DON'T buy into their crap!.. Pretty phone, sure. Locked down is not how we treat customers. We are not thieves and should never be treated as such.
Customers who see the opening and leave... . Verizon locks the phones YOU PAY FOR ... i.e. Verizon's KRAZR does not allow bluetooth transfer files....Why? Because Verizon wants you to buy their music and Verizon is scared ***** of the RIAA... What do you do? Leave to a real service that cares(ed) about your rights.... Sprint and a Samsung phone...works(ed) for me! - LoungeActx, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I'm no attorney...but I think selling it is the only thing AT&T can prevent. If these people give the software away for free I think they are good.
- mono, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I don't know about the reputability of this company or solution, but folks attempting to make money off an iPhone hack will likely be crushed by corporate lawyers. The point will be moot, however because freely available tools to unlock your iPhone will be out in short order. We have a nation of 14-20 year old hackers working 24/7!
- phoomp, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Which features do you think you lose? Video Voicemail is the only one I've heard of, and it only works with other iPhone users anyways. And, after you purchase it, it's not *their* phone anymore; it's your's.
- Gutterpunk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1iPhoneSIMfree.com is not UniquePhone.
- GliTCH82, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Well, what a waste of ***** time that is.
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Apple Inc was founded on ill gotten gains from selling the Blue Box phone hack to students at Cal Berkley. Apple is hardly in a position to take the moral high ground on this one.
http://www.9to5mac.com/steve-jobs-hacks-phones-234556455 - CoolWind, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Why?
- sachis, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Thiese guys wouldn't do that because they are eyeing few hundred thousands from at&t fo not releasing it anywhere (if they really have the software)!!
- Tobark, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2***** ATnT . Thier service sucks. If it wasent for the I would not have returned my iPhone
- tilezzzzz, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I was really looking forward to release day.
However I saw this one coming a mile off! And they should have too! , Anyone who makes this kinda software and then waits even a day to release it after annoyncing it is pretty daft if they dont expect a phone call from the lawers. Lets hope they get legal advice in their favour, and release the software. - jasonj75, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1No doubt...Apple shopped their ***** around looking for a carrier to lock it to...Just because AT&T thought they could stomach Apple's price tag doesn't make AT&T the only bad guy in this.
- kurrent, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3"this is ridiculous. why would you even want to unlock an iphone? "
you're a ***** douche, grab a clue - thripper, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Actually, many of them do that. You see, it is less expensive to develop 3 models of a car, and sell 20 versions of them . The trick is to disable features from the car's computer. They do that. A lot. (perhaps not in the case of power windows but there are other things.)
- kris33, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I forgot to say that that was a quote from a current law student in Texas.
- SPECOPS, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Because AT&T wants you to stick with them and pay a monthly fee. (hey it's good for AT&T, you didn't say one good reason for the consumer)
- meig, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1I'm surprised no one else has thought of this. Isn't it possible these guys just used George Hotz's (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20424880/) method then gave that phone to Engadget? He posted all the directions on his blog.
- backspin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I wonder if Steve saw this coming. Being a geek himself, he must have known the device would be a mere toy in the hands of other geeks. Will AT&T's legal costs grow to such a level that they dwarf the profits made by the very device they are trying to protect? Either way Apple loses nothing and gains everything. Very shrewd.
- Gutterpunk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0If you are with a carrier only for the phone, you are the idiot in this story.
- kurrent, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1no *****, what a ***** douche
- inactive, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0The Kool-Aid is strong with this one...
- locojones, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2LOL You should tell your "current law student" to hit the books harder because they are absolutely dead wrong. There are no prerequisites to filing a complaint in court. The phone call was a courtesy.
- buckles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Just to clarify this. This company claims to have a highly marketable software product, complex and specialist. To sell this product they've taken the unusual approach of setting up a lame website and blog for a week saying how great their software is, what time it will be on sale and asking for everyone who might want said product to hand over their email and phone details. Then, just before the non existent software is due to be released a quick change of heart happens due to some late night phonecall from at&t, the details of which are sketchy at best.....
What next? 500 diggs for a 'free ipod' website..... - Volotel, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0To all those people defending the exclusivity deal, how would you feel if after buying your computer you were told you could only use Comcast as an ISP? Would you not be in favor of choice?
- Gutterpunk, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0"These guys" aren't the one who gave a iPhone to enjgadget.
But I though the same thing about the iPhoneSIMfree.com. Thing is that their web page doesn't seem to ask for registration or any other thing associated with scammer or email harvester. - invasi0n, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Why you are only blaming AT&T? Why don't you also blame APPLE because they didn't make a phone and simply SELL IT like all those computers they make?
- RyeBrye, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2Do you have multiple personality disorder?
- nomasteryoda, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0amen....
- Tobark, on 10/10/2007, -3/+2You work for some corporate scum . I just cant figure out which one yet.
- LaSepultura, on 10/10/2007, -6/+5Should a music CD or Video Game only be sold for a dollar because the CD only costs pennies to make?
Shouldn't the people who developed this be paid for their work? - SPECOPS, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0*
- haoqfu, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0this is a world full ***** and lair for the purpose of money and fame. ***** AT&T, YOU SON OF BITCH
- TotalHalibut, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1Hardly, since most if not all locked phones are heavily subsidised by the carrier itself, you're not paying the full cost of the phone by any stretch of the imagination. Whether this is true with the $600 iPhone on the other hand... who knows?
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