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- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -14/+34I am.
- RatherDashing, on 10/12/2007, -6/+22Anyone else just use Camino?
- protocolor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18guys, there are a number of builders spinning optimized branch/trunk/release builds for all kinds of platforms. a lot of them are compiled daily. just check the mozilla 3rd party/unofficial build forum. you can almost certainly find something to fit your taste:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=42 - drlha, on 10/12/2007, -5/+19"And Never Will" is a bit strong. Actually the Camino devs are working on the ability to have Firefox extensions in Camino right now.
- jcblitz, on 10/12/2007, -5/+18@farfromsubtl
It doesn't support (and never will) extensions like FF. - ub3rgeek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13I love camino, my favorite browser on any platform
@colonelpanic
all it uses is gecko. The interface is all Coca built. thus making it faster.
@Mejogid
http://pimpmycamino.com/ - gotamd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14There are no G5 or Intel builds though...
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -1/+12Yes, I do. I use Firefox daily on a PC too, but Camino just feels more natural on my MacBook.
- catfive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11farfromsubtl, Camino isn't "optimized" for the Mac, it's a Mac browser from the ground up. It's a seperate product from Firefox, which has an "official" Mac version from Mozilla as well. Firefox remains popular with some Mac users, however, since Camino doesn't have support for FF extensions.
- greerso, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Love Camino, haven't touched Firefox on the mac since discovering it. Wish they made a Windows version.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8None of these are designed for the Intel Macs. Stick with the normal release or give Firefox 2 RC a try.
- elfurbe, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8I'm on digg again! Excellent.
An update, I've got a line on an Intel Mac Mini that has plenty of spare cycles overnight that I will soon subvert to produce Intel builds. G5s I can't do, but I recommend Drumsticks build for Branch and Simon's build for Trunk. You can find them both at inthemac.com. - Avengelist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6So I booted ol' Cranky up, I installed it the G3 version, imported her bookmarks, etc., and she actually said 'Wow - did that load fast. Did you buy a new internet?"
No, she didn't say that, but she she was impressed at how quick it loaded sites. So am I. I'll be more impressed if it still does after I've added a few extensions.
[edit] this was supposed to be a reply to myself, but it didn't seem to take. - thisisfunah, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5i used deer park for a while, until i remembered that safari is still twice as fast on page loads for me, and 10 times as fast on startup.
- cfsporn, on 10/12/2007, -14/+19like many people are!!
- mr.hostility, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Screw this. Flash won't work, I'm going back to Internet Explorer 5.
- nandabanaotakun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@colonelpanic: That's just wrong. Camino is written in Coca, where Firefox isn't. Camino supports Spotlight, Bojour, Keychain, etc, Firefox doesn't. I'd go so far as to say that Gecko is one of the few things they have in common.
- irregardless, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6try deer park
http://www.beatnikpad.com/archives/2006/07/29/firefox-1505 - chesterton, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Nothing for G5...
- tim507, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6what would be the best for a macbook pro?
- fungifred, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4mr.hostility gets major points for referencing the Larry Bodine article
http://www.law.com/jsp/legaltechnology/pubArticleLT.jsp?id=1160730321685 - Avengelist, on 10/12/2007, -4/+7NIfty - My GF always complains about FF on the old Bondi iMac we have kicking around, perhaps this will make her a wee bit happier.
- tim507, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4thank you
- elfurbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They *are* fully supporting the Mac platform. They don't release custom compiles for every flavor of PC processor either. What they release for Mac is an app bundle that will run on any machine running MacOS X. This includes every chip from G3 on, PPC or Intel. This is the same as offering an exe for Windows that runs on any x86 processor. They aren't as concerned with performance as they are compatibility on official releases. Builders, like myself, feel like we can gain some tangible benefit from tuning the compile time options to do extra work optimizing the binary code at the expense of compatibility. This is why I ship three builds every night for PPC, where Mozilla ships one. Each of mine is tuned for a specific type of PPC processor, Mozilla's will run on all of them, as well as the Intel Macs.
- coolbru, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2The reason Safari gets slow is that it has some major memory leaks in the current release. The developers have been having a leak blitz and generally tuning things up. The nightly builds are much faster, leak less, and are even better looking (not to mention the tasty CSS3 and SVG features). Get your nightly build here: http://webkit.org/blog/
- applebyte, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Camino 1.0.3 is definitely faster on my 1GHz G4. These G3/G4 optimized Firefox 2.0 builds are slightly faster, but still nowhere as close to the page rendering speed of Camino. I do miss some of my FF extensions, but I don't miss them enough to make FF my primary browser. Though I do hope the next version of Camino works with Greasemonkey scripts. That would be killer.
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Deer Park is the name for non official builds of firefox - not necessarily trunk builds.
- Mejogid, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4They're pretty fast, but can't compare to the ompitimised builds and are still slower than camino for me (and Shiira, Safari, Opera and pretty much any other browser for OS X). Note that that's on intel - PPC may be different.
- elfurbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hey, I'd give the 2.0 RCs a go. They're significantly faster to launch than the 1.5s on my dev machine (Dual 1.25) and my Powerbook (1.25 AlBook), and they seem snappier in general. Admittedly both my machines out-horsepower your 733, but I would imagine you'll see benefit.
Plus, if you get on the 2.0 train now, you can get your extensions sorted and whatnot before the official 2.0 comes out later this month. :) - Mejogid, on 11/08/2007, -3/+5I would if I could get a free adblock solution working... any hints?
- cfsporn, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4They are for me. Although some of that might be all the about:config hacks I have done.
- jcblitz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@drlha
Thats a direct quote from them: http://www.caminobrowser.org/support/faq/#gen_exten
"No, and it never will. Firefox extensions rely on XUL (a user interface toolkit made by the Mozilla Foundation) to interact with the user and draw their interface. Camino uses Cocoa (an interface toolkit made by Apple) and does not support XUL." - elfurbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Check out Foxmarks https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/2410/ if you want to automate that bookmark syncing. It's become invaluable to me, at least. I'm looking into Google Browser Sync, but I can't comment intelligently on it. Foxmarks has worked like a dream since the first time I installed it.
I'm glad my builds brought some new life to your Bondi! Look later today for the G3 RC3 of Firefox 2 to go up. I've found the perceived performance much better, meaning it seems to launch faster, respond snappier, etc. - lesliewong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Over the years, I've tried several of the 7450 builds on my Macintrash with no significant improvement until now. The FX-7450-1.5.0.7.dmg seems noticeably faster on my 12" Powerbook, Rev A.
- h3xley, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2There are intel builds down the very bottom.
- skidogallard, on 10/12/2007, -34/+36That's great if you are still on a PPC Mac.
- totorototoro, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3@Mejogid,
CamiTools? - elfurbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you think the 1.5.0.7 build is fast, get one of the FX2 RC3 builds. Those things fly.
- nandabanaotakun, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Or you could just use the optimized camino builds. The come in G4, G5, and Intel at pimpmycamino.
I don't know what the big deal is. Optimized Mozilla builds have been around a long time. - elfurbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Those are brand new! I got some spare cycles on a Core Duo Mac Mini to roll Intel builds! I hope they work. :D
Please post back to my mozillaZine thread with comments or problems with any of my builds:
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?t=294976 - ccheath, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1ELFURBE: let me just reiterate my thanks and praise for all your work customizing the builds. You are appreciated.
;-) - regeya, on 10/12/2007, -7/+9Twice as fast?
No. They're not. - elfurbe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I thought that too. It doesn't work. You can tell me it does, but I tried it, and it doesn't. My G4 won't build a G5 build, and the cross-compiling setup for building either a universal intel/ppc build or an intel only build just doesn't work. I did a lot of experimenting. No love at all. I was very interested in this, but alas. I know it says places that you can, but it just doesn't work.
- Rocky21743, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Is this "Larry Bodine" article satire... ? Wow.
- fungifred, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, it is not satire but does include may inaccuracies like the fact that he claims to have used IE 5.0 when it didn't even ship for OS X
- HappyScrappy, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8They are not twice as fast.
You spend less than 10% of your time executing code compiled into the binary. The rest is in the OS, or just blocked waiting for data from the disk or the net.
Marked as inaccurate. - kuwan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Just an FYI... You don't actually need a G5 to make G5-optimized builds. Nor do you need an Intel Mac to make Intel-optimized builds. You do of course need those machines to test the builds, but not to actually build them.
- wernst, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm still using a 733 MHz G4 with lots of ram and a 7200 RPM drive as a backup-development machine (mostly for building VISE installers). I also browse with it when the main machine is compliling.
On this CPU-limited machine, the G4-optimized Deer Park build (which corresponds to 1.5.0.7) is significantly faster than the regular version. Additionally, all my previously installed extensions work fine. No benchmarks (sorry), but definately worth a look if you have an older G3 or G4. - kuwan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The build system probably needs to be modified then. You can do this with virtually any other project there's no reason that Firefox should be different other than no one has taken the time to make cross-building work properly. Sometimes the problem is that the build system will build a binary and then try to run it as part of its internal testing. If that binary is built using instructions that aren't available on your processor (G5-only instructions) or is built for a different architecture (x86) then those tests will fail and the build will fail.
I've worked on projects where this is the case and it just takes someone putting in the time to get things working properly. It certainly can be done, it's just a matter of who's willing to do the work. - vbsurfer, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Anything for a mac pro?
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