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- stilesja, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5http://www.grants.gov/MacSupport
This is B.S. there is already a workaround for alternative OS's including mac, linux /other using a citrix client until there is native support. Do your homework poster... No digg. - 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3FTA : The new "Grants.gov" system, under development at a cost of tens of billions
Right off the bat, something would seem to be terribly wrong. I wonder which elected official's friend's hand in the trough this time. $22 billion to develop some forms and a database? Wow. Talk about waste.
FTA: the software selected by the government is not Mac-compatible.
What's to be compatible? What software? A form is a form. HTML is HTML. Any W3C compliant browser should be able to work fine. That is, unless they're doing something REALLY stupid, like using ActiveX, in which case the contractor should be FIRED. - penguinboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2How many actually read the article? We aren't talking about every l33t dude that owns a Mac here - we are talking about major scientific agencies who can't apply for grants because their entire system is based off of Macs.
The Mac scientist crowd makes up a bigger chunk of the pie than your average user, and are primarily the people that need to use the system. It seems to me that the company that got the billion dollar contract didn't do homework on their target audience. - SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hey frosted, shut up and learn something. More than half my school uses Macs. People who love to do digital arts, music, movies, etc, use them, and they don't want to go purchasing Windows or a PC just for this. There are also Linux users too.
So you're also telling me XP can run Final Cut HD perfectly with 0 slowdowns? It's for digital arts and technology, I don't understand why people are so against them.
BTW, I'm an owner of a PC, and I don't own Mac OS X. I'd love to so I can actually edit my movies with ease, and handle music/pictures better.
This is sad. I cannot believe they don't cross platform this. FEMA is also incredibly STUPID for making their form only available in IE. What do Linux users and such alike do? - badnewsblair, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3No problem here.
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/29130 - mark1372, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3The problem is not that it's not available on a Mac (in regards to the "bunch of crybabies" comment), but that there's no reason why it can't be and shouldn't be. It's not a technical problem. Loads of people have zero problem creating things that are cross-compatible,
Government should be accessible by all people, which is why they have services for the hearing impaired, language translations, etc. - Warlog, on 03/01/2009, -0/+1Mac users can get grants now it seems
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=200902 ...
http://www.webwire.com/ViewPressRel.asp?aId=87565 - raccettura, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Same thing for Katrina Relief... it was IE Specific. No Mac or Firefox users allowed.
- Rndm_Tngnt, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Graphics-friendly" is kind of a weird way to describe "Macintosh Computers".
- Thud, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I wish my dual core Athlon64 with geforce 6800 was more "graphics friendly."
- dasc, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Y'all don't get it. Much of the scientific community prefers to use a Mac. Much of the education community prefers to use a Mac. Much of the community that would be submitting a grant application would be using a Mac. The government is by way of artificial barriers trying to reduce the number of grant applicants. Afterall, if you submit your grant at the last minute to avoid having it published early and then find out you can't submit it at all, well it would suck but then there will be fewer grants to impanel. More money for the favored pet projects like homeland security and microwave crowd control which tend to be researched by the Windows using business sector instead of acedemia.
- lightfantastik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
Some people need to RTFA !! - karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Gosh they are moronic. It's called cross platform.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1leobaby next time there is a disaster remember that you can run IE under WINE.
- LoungeActx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+122 billion dollars? For a bunch of online forms that ignore mac users?
If this whole thing is web based...why won't it work on the mac? - natorator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Users of a minority computer operating system complain that a government application that's locked in to the majority OS is expressly targeted against THEM while completely overlooking every other minority OS who are just as locked out.
Brilliant. - bengarland, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1DID ANYONE READ THE ***** ARTICLE???
This is NOT about a web-based grant program. This is NOT about supporting IE only, or MS Office.
This *is* about the PureEdge forms software, which is *separate* from the web. I used this software 3 years ago (that's at least how long they've had to work on Mac support) when I was in the Air Force. What's the big deal with this software? Nothing. It has NOTHING to offer that you can't get using cross-platform PDF's with fillable forms. In fact, it's almost exactly the same thing, except it's Windows-only and proprietary.
Apparently, that's what $22 billion gets you: proprietary, single-platform, forms software when there is cross-platform software that is somewhat open (see PDF built into OS X) already available for years. WTF? Somebody has a friend that works at PureEdge, is my guess. Because I've seen their software in action and it doesn't do anything that a PDF can't do. - rspeed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The first thing I thought was "what about the people at NIH?" They have an installed base of (literally) thousands of Macs there. That Citrix solution (though not perfect) should do the trick. I'm pretty sure there are Citrix clients for Linux as well, so this is a non-story.
THERE IS ALREADY A SOLUTION. Go about your business. - rhmmj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I work in grants and am glad this topic is being talked about. Conversion to grants.gov is going to be difficult and the government isn't doing anything to help researchers except to tell them all the new software they need to buy and viewer clients they need to download.
However, as stilesja pointed out... it is Mac compatible.
Digg - CLIFFosakaJAPAN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Bush's Gov't knows that most of the people who need the Grants the most are Scientists, Researchers, and Educators, and a large chunk of these people uses a Mac. So maybe they just want these Mac poeple to jump through more hoops to get the money......if they don't jump the hoops correctly, and/or by the end of the deadline....too bad for them...they lose out THAT'S one of the POINTS of this article and NOT that Mac people should switch. There's a reason why Scientists use Macs over PCs in their labs
- OBKenobi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0[quote]U.S. scientists and others depend on graphics-friendly Macintosh computers,[/quote]
I agree about the evil of Micro$oft and the Bush administration, but that statement is pathetically outdated. - randf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0same lame argument same great taste.
and remember, OS's don't kill standards, bad coders kill standards.
NFD - Deuterium, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Bush's Gov't knows that most of the people who need the Grants the most are Scientists, Researchers, and Educators, and a large chunk of these people uses a Mac. So maybe they just want these Mac poeple to jump through more hoops to get the money......if they don't jump the hoops correctly, and/or by the end of the deadline....too bad for them...they lose out THAT'S one of the POINTS of this article and NOT that Mac people should switch. There's a reason why Scientists use Macs over PCs in their labs"
Right.......... (reaches for tinfoil hat) - vlsi0n, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh yeah.. the gov. hates mac users .. what ever lol
- 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0After reading all of the above anti-Apple *****, I think that the next time someone tries to tell me how boisterous Mac users are I'm going to kick them in the nuts.
Geez, folks... They are fricking computers. Use whatever you wish to use and allow those who choose a different path to do so in peace.
What the hell has happened to people that they have become so insecure in their own choices that they feel they have to browbeat others into seeing the world the same way they do. Give it a rest! - CharlieInCO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Here's a link to a mac package with everything needed.
http://apple.doit.wisc.edu/grants.gov/ - Vector713, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0you no have this grant money. you use windows. 0.0
- kalisphoenix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"How is this different than any other Mac vs. Windows Bash Fest? What a colossal waste of time. Why not just have 2 main stories or posts, one called 'Mac Sucks' and another called 'Windows Sucks'. Then, you idiots can post on the topic of your choice. Meanwhile, the Linux freaks go 'willy-nilly' all over Digg."
I see two courses of action here:
1) I modify Firefox's source code to refuse to display s, s, or whatever containing the terms "fanboy," "M$," "Crapple," "Jobs *****," and so on.
2) I start a site where you have to pass an IQ test and RTFA successfully in order to create an account.
Either of those is far more likely to be successful than expecting these hydrocephalic hormonal disasters to, you know, ***** off.
Anyone else in? Anyone who wants to start a user-submitted news site where you're banned if you ever use the word "fanboy"? - MoonDogAFO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Hehe!
I am a grant writer, and I just went through the steps of geting the school district I work for ready to access the Grants.gov site. Thankfully, the district switched from Mac to PC several years back, so this won't affect me.
And this was a dumb move on the part of the federal government. Online grant applications are WAY easier to deal with than paper - as many people as possible need to have access to this ASAP! - zigziggityzoo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Works for me.
http://apple.doit.wisc.edu/grants.gov/ - thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0LMAO @kevindigg
- idesign562, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0blah, blah, blah...
in other words...
that sucks. - cybertron3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If I paid 22 B-B-B-Billion for a web site that did not validate at w3c, did not support all browsers (And for that many zeros it should be accessible from a ****in washing machine ) and looked as fugly as that...
Heads would roll... - mcbesq, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Sorry Cliff. You're far and away in the overly-vocal minority. If you don't like that hardly anyone (by that, I mean less than 5% of computer users worldwide) uses Mac, that's your prerogative. But don't impose the opinion of the minority upon the majority.
Sure, we all love MS-bashing. It's terrible that they bundle their media player with the OS and package IE with the OS as well. How dare MS do that. Unwary users are not likely going to download 3d party software, thereby enforcing the MS monopoly. Except Apple does the same thing. Not to mention the whole false advertising - errr- I mean Jobs RSF - thing.
Not all things done by Apple are great. Not all things done by MS are terrible. If running a uniform, widely accepting platform saves me - a taxpayer - money, then by all means, I'll choose it. Perhaps using a cheaper, more widely accepted platform is the right choice.
BTW: Care to know why I don't believe in government conspiracies? It's because the government is made up of bureacracy. Conspiracy requires a level of cooperation that bureacratic incompetence is simply not capable of. - SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Longman, I do not know why you have gotten crashes on a Mac, but like I said, I have not experienced any. Maybe it was OS 9?
- WickedDrag0oN, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0lol ohh noes people are getting free money! god now your gonna bitch that old people get social security!!!
- SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0isepic, those OS's aren't focused upon because they aren't as mainstream as the other ones. Almost no one of those complain. If they need to use something, they'd boot off Live CD's of Linux, or just do something else, because they know most mainstream software isn't designed for those kinds of OS's anyways. They are used for other jobs, which don't require that.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1How is this different than any other Mac vs. Windows Bash Fest? What a colossal waste of time. Why not just have 2 main stories or posts, one called 'Mac Sucks' and another called 'Windows Sucks'. Then, you idiots can post on the topic of your choice. Meanwhile, the Linux freaks go 'willy-nilly' all over Digg.
- SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0attropheed, you are not getting it. They built software for only Windows. They do not WANT to build it for other OSs, which a variety of computer enthusiests use.
- SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0ahh my mistake ignore my last post
- AarronT123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0The article's ok, but the discription sucks.
I think this was meant to be the perfect inflamatory digg post. It might as well have read "Bush hates Mac users!"
No digg for bad description, but Digg++ to everyone else for keeping this non-political... - SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Actually it does, I cannot run some of Adobe's software such as Premier, becuase I don't have the necessary processors to. It goes down to opinion. Some like the ease and functionality of OS X applications. Other's don't. I prefere Final Cut over Premier.
It also depends upon your PC. If I needed to be able to use many applications which I want to use, I'd have to upgrade so much it would cost more than I'd need to buy something for.
OS X Applications can run well in general because they are designed to work with that standard hardware. There aren't mix ups, and processor compatibility problems (well, some in the intel switch). The functionality I get in Adobe Photoshop running off a G5 with a gig of ram is over 50% more than that of an AMD Athlon 64 with a gig of ram, because the program is optimized to work with that hardware. I'd get more out of it, including better response time. It goes down to price, hardware, and opinion. - SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Once again, incorrect. Almost every PC Mainstream game is out for Mac. Less for your money? Wtf? You sound like a windows biased fanboy.
And uh, I have not gotten a single sporratic crash in the Macs I have used. I know they can crash with a dockdashboard screw up, and there are other ways, but they are not sporratic.
Please, do not bring on Fanboy ways here. I use Windows and a PC. I like it. I used OS X and use it at school. I enjoy it. There is nothing biased about what I say, I use both and know what both have, but seriously, before you make arguments research. The majority of PC users will tell you about random crashing, which I personally wish would stop.I AM NOT even a "Mac" user as you say, I use one like once every few weeks. - dasc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Windows crashes because the whole OS is unstable due to having to run on multiple hardware and bios configurations. Throw in an indecipherable registry and DLL's that can be easily overwritten and you have a recipe for unstable. The Mac doesn't have those problems. It's not because more sloppy programmers program for the PC it's because the PC is inherently sloppy to begin with. BSOD? Don't miss it here.
- 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0sepic wrote: ugh, you can please some of the people some of the time, all the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time. What about poor Tandy, Poor Atari OS, poor Linux,
No, you don't get it. All they have to do is scrap this "mystery software" and use standards-compliant HTML. It's so simple, but it's being turned into a giant mess with a $22 billion price tag. Remember that when you do your tax return. - longman2g, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"I also don't get random sporratic crashes in the middle of doing something, which I have experienced over the last 7 years using a PC, I'd do anything for that to stop :("
bull, I don't know how many times in the last 7 years that I have had a mac do that thing where it will just let the mouse move, but it is completely frozen. And I would say that many people in the school field use macs because apple basically gave them away to schools years ago. The teachers who had never used a computer before used the macs there, and so when it came time for the school to get new computers, the teachers opted for macs. And when it came time for them to by their own, they were used to macs, so they did that too. At places that know what they are doing, Notre Dame's Engineering department, for instance, you will find linux and windows, only some of the random teachers from other departments use macs. - SuperSunny, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0If your Mac crashes, you report it to Apple and they will try to fix it. That is all. Same thing, but it happens much less, and that is a PROVEN fact, not an opinion. Unless you screwed the hardware up yourself.
I was just playing some CS Source, and almost everytime I play it, no matter where, it ends up crashing. DLL files, and the registry contribute to this. If one thing goes unstable the whole thing does. - Speak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is an issue because it's poor coding, from the getgo cross-platform functionality should've been one of the goals, it shouldn't be an add-on for people to wait on--we're talking about governmental access here, not Ultima Online.
There should not be an increased amount of trouble for a mac user to access this, a linux user, or anyone who has simple internet access. - Steeple, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0my IQ dropped reading this thread
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