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The trouble with Steve Jobs

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  • streak, on 03/05/2008, -10/+20How does the reporter know Steve Jobs underwent a radical Whipple procedure? While it would be normal for "typical" pancreatic cancer, which is virtually incurable, that's not what Jobs had.
    • MarkDykeman, on 03/05/2008, -6/+4Good point!
    • DrDigg, on 03/05/2008, -1/+9Yeah but if he had an insulinoma in the pancreatic head they would still do a Whipple. I am guessing that is the type of tumor he had.
      • streak, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1We seem to have a lot of surgeons on digg. Jobs is said to have had a malignant pancreatic islet cell tumor, which /might/ be a /subset/ of insulinomas. What's your reference for a Whipple procedure in the standard of care treatment for an insulinoma, though, and does that apply to an islet cell tumor?

        Quoting from http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/dept/cs/news/si/2006_ ...
        "When tumors are located in the head of the pancreas, /occasionally/ an operation called the Whipple procedure is necessary." [emphasis added]
        • DrDigg, on 03/05/2008, -1/+6I'm a GI doc, not a surgeon. I guessed insulinoma since that is the most common islet cell tumor type. BTW I would not have recommended sitting on it as it can spread.

          The Whipple is done whenever you have a mass in the head of the pancreas. It doesn't matter what the cell type is. In fact a certain percentage of whipples will result in the finding of a non-cancerous mass in the head of the pancreas. You have to do that in some cases because pancreatic adenocarcinoma is so nasty that your only chance at cure is early surgery.

          Now if the insulinoma was in the tail of the pancreas then you may get away without a whipple, or if the insulinoma was small and easy to mark and find. If he sat on the tumor for a while that may not have been an option.

          As far as a reference, this tends to be textbook stuff and not journal stuff because it has been around for a long time. This site has a good explanation about how you often don't need a whipple for insulinoma, but sometimes it is necessary.

          http://www.surgery.usc.edu/divisions/tumor/pancrea ...
          • streak, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2Again, my web site reference (see above) says "occasionally" a Whipple is necessary, while yours reads "less commonly". Before cavalierly throwing an MD degree around, you might want to consider the distinct possibility that a specialist in the field would treat differently than your textbook approach (or your textbook recollection) would suggest, particularly when faced with the specifics of Jobs' condition. Again, the reporter offers no substantial source for his story, and both your link and my link suggest that a Whipple is the less likely treatment.
          • greeneyedmama, on 03/06/2008, -1/+2Dude I am a specialist in this field. As a GI doctor I deal with pancreatic cancers on a weekly basis. I didn't say he had a whipple and I don't know if he had a whipple. I am not arguing with you about the quality or lack of quality of the report. All I'm saying is that people with insulinomas can require a whipple. I am not arguing against you I am merely offering an explanation that he may have needed a whipple.

            PS - I don't think posting on digg is throwing my MD around. This just happens to be an area that I know a lot about. If this were a brain tumor I wouldn't have the foggiest idea was going on.
          • streak, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1Perhaps you can explain what you've contributed by your comments. As I see it, you've effectively been saying "if Jobs had a Whipple, he likely had a tumor on the head of the pancreas." Is that relevant, when my whole point has been: there's no substantial evidence provided by the reporter that Jobs had a Whipple. In fact, given the publicly disclosed diagnosis from the biopsy, of a malignant pancreatic islet cell tumor, and knowing nothing more about his case, it's more likely than not that a Whipple was NOT in the standard of care for Jobs' situation. The reporter wouldn't be able to get an expert to say a Whipple was necessary and he doesn't provide a solid or independently confirmed source who knew what was really done. Why is this important? Because the reporter claims a 5% mortality rate from the Whipple procedure, which doesn't include considerations of morbidity from the procedure. Considering the tumor type was malignant but unlikely to be metastatic, non-surgical alternatives to a Whipple (if a Whipple was recommended) would be very appealing if they worked--and a delay in surgery should not be terribly risky. Why should the reporter make Jobs out to be strange for that? Alternatively, if a Whipple was not planned, then secrecy should not be the big issue that the reporter makes it out to be either.
          • DrDigg, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1Sorry last post was on my wife's computer.

            I'm sorry it appears I missed the point of your original post, which you clarified here. I apologize for taking the thread on a tangent, although the somewhat hostile tone towards me is not necessary. It was a honest mistake.

            "Considering the tumor type was malignant but unlikely to be metastatic, non-surgical alternatives to a Whipple (if a Whipple was recommended) would be very appealing if they worked--and a delay in surgery should not be terribly risky. Why should the reporter make Jobs out to be strange for that?"

            Unfortunately the only proven non-surgical treatments for insulinomas are to try and slow metastatic tumors. The treatment for solitary insulinoma is surgical resection (~90% cure rate). What makes his decision dangerous is that he allowed it to grow (and possibly spread) for nine months. Now I respect that it is his decision, but the point about that being dangerous is a valid one. No one knows that it is not "terribly risky" because we don't watch people with insulinomas, we send them to surgery. Ultimately it is his decision and his doctor's respected that. Not a decision I would have made myself, but I would have respected it if I were his doctor.

            I do agree with you that the author does try and sensationalize the situation.
      • steelclash84, on 03/05/2008, -0/+10What is this an episode of House? =P
      • jjustice, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1OK, let's apply some basic rules of logic. Streak said "how does the reporter *know* that X..." and DrDigg replied "I am *guessing* that Y". Anyone see the disconnect?
    • davidrools, on 03/05/2008, -27/+6Jobs is a ***** and should have taken his eastern medicine to the grave. The world would be a better place without his jackassery and useless shiny products. Anyone who parks in hadicapped spots just because he can is a douchebag in my book, no matter how much digg fans love him.
      • NSResponder, on 03/05/2008, -4/+9Jealousy is a very ugly thing. You should try to work it out in therapy.

        -jcr
        • Damien79, on 03/06/2008, -4/+1^ Must be American, a pill and/or a doctor fixes everything.
          Shopping is stressful? try *insert drug here* ***** you guys are hilarious. And armed. At school lol. Bad combinations.
      • kipmartin, on 03/05/2008, -6/+4wow. an axe to grind against Jobs? those 'shiney things' are changing our culture and are culturally significant and impact our economy, art, and technical expertise. if it wasnt for '*****' like Jobs, we'd be inventing bronze tools, scratching our flea-bitten heads while thinking about wheels and fire, and have a life expectancy of 39.

        so STFU. if you dont like his 'jackassery', maybe you should move to lancaster county in PA.
      • davidrools, on 03/05/2008, -2/+10Okay maybe my previous comment was a bit emotional, but how do you defend a guy who fires employees on a whim, cheats his company out of millions of dollars, was a deadbeat dad and put his baby's mom on welfare, doesn't have a shred of integrity, and laughs it all off? Honestly, there's nothing to like about Jobs' character. Sure he runs a successful company, but is that all that matters? There's no jealousy here. A bit of frustration at the seeming injustice of it all, but certainly not jealousy. I'd much rather die broke and honest than a billionaire liar.
        • bbardlbradd, on 03/05/2008, -4/+6Jobs was adopted and not told about it until he was older, while starting the business. He was a normal kid with a dream. After he found out that he was adopted, he felt lost which is normal. He traveled with a co-worker and friend to the middle-east, gave his close away for native clothing, and went hunting on foot for a Buddhist munk, almost died of starvation while sleeping in mud while in the middle of a storm in a dessert. He found the munk on top of a mountian, the munk laughed at him and cut his hair off. He wasn't ready for a child, his wife wouldn't get an abortion, normal scenario... he was at the time dealing with business a lot, and his personal issues. Also, this girlfriend at the time, with child wasn't with him. He denied that it was his, an assholish move, yes, but he's human, I think you may forget. Also, he only denied child support for a short amount of time, while he was in denial. Her name is Lisa, btw, steve names the Macintosh Lisa after his daughter.

          He was asked to leave apple because no one liked the separation and conflict between Macintosh and Apple, and Steve was a hard-ass that stressed everyone out. He left but kept the stock and would drop in every once in a while. He started NeXT on his own with a few Mac people, which is essentially what we use today. OS X is based on NeXT, rather than updating the classic Mac OS... which is GREAT.

          He inspired Disney to use computer graphics, they wouldn't. He started Pixar to show Disney what's up, Disney was like "OMF".

          He went back to Apple, hired new disigners and said "We're not doing all of this crappity crap anymore, make a new OS like NeXT, get rid of that horrible hand held thing, PPC FTW, people like music, we'll make iPod, uh... now make everything BETTER DAMN YOU!!!" and everyone was like "I missed this guy" and Apple won back the computer industry.

          Also, I think it's cool that he never showered and people were like "You stink, seriously" and he denied it b/c for one he couldn't smell it, and two he said "I eat only fruit, I can't have BO". HAHA, and when he got stressed out, he would go into the public bathroom, usually wasn't wearing shoes and he'd flush his feet in the toilet to calm down.

          You can't deny this man some credit. He's brilliant, just b/c he has some personal issues doesn't mean that he's horrible. So what if he parks his car in handicap, I know a lot of people who do including myself when no one is around and the odds of every spot filling with cripples is low enough.

          Also, he's not a /liar/ in the sense that he lies about everything all of the time. If you mean that he lies as much a normal person, what are you bitching about. Sometimes you need to lie. He lives like a broke person with a mercedes and a mansion. He's not just a billionaire as you'd imagine. He's a billionaire Buddhist, do you know what that's about? A large part is minimalism and keeping yourself from things that you want, and having only what you need. At one point the only things he had in his room was a mattress, lamp, and record player.... this was prior to him becoming a million dollar business man.
    • SkippyDoorknob, on 03/05/2008, -0/+5Don't squeeze the Charmin!
    • rpgmaker, on 03/06/2008, -1/+2"He's the best thing and the worst thing for Apple?"
      Sensationalism much? I think we all know the answer to that.
  • adude, on 03/05/2008, -17/+85No matter how many times I read about Apple and Steve Jobs, I can't help being fascinated by the unique culture of both the company and the man. Love or hate Apple, it is one of the most fascinating stories in not only the tech industry, but in corporations in general.
    • intellimouse, on 03/05/2008, -35/+11Yeah, fascinating. Steve Jobs is a ***** prick. The end.
      • form3hide, on 03/05/2008, -3/+13I love these types of comments. If you're going to bash someone or something (or even if you're going to praise), then give some reasons for your feelings -- something that justifies the bashing.

        Otherwise, you just look ignorant.
        • mcnearcj, on 03/05/2008, -2/+6I'm with you on that.

          My feelings on the man- I like the "I don't' take ***** from anyone" attitude but parking in handicap spaces and refusing to put a license plate on your car is just childish.
          • bbardlbradd, on 03/05/2008, -6/+1He's steve jobs though. He is for the most part a respectable man that authentically cares for his business and the people he works with. I think, if there's someone out there that does as much genuine good for the people around him and everyone else (like the consumers), you should just let him go. He's not a crook, he's a Buddhist for ________ sake. Let him not use a license plate and let him park in handicap...
        • imikedaman, on 03/05/2008, -1/+2"I love these types of comments. If you're going to bash someone or something (or even if you're going to praise), then give some reasons for your feelings -- something that justifies the bashing."

          Come on, you know you only want him to back up his statement because it differs from your own beliefs and because Steve Jobs is a popular figure. Start defending people not just when it's popular, but when it's right; for example: politicians like Hillary Clinton, Bush, McCain, and Huckabee; companies like Microsoft and Sony (along with the PSP, PS3, and Blu-Ray), Christians, cops, the mainstream media, etc.

          I'm not saying it's always right to defend those people or things, but all too often I see unbelievably hate-filled and inaccurate statements towards them go uncontested or dugg up, while rational and thoughtful posts supporting them get dugg down. The only time people ever ask for proof is when it's an unpopular statement, not when it's a wrong one.
          • form3hide, on 03/05/2008, -2/+3Selective reading, huh? Did I not state that you should back up your thoughts even when it's for praise? You're looking for something here that's not there. I'm neither pro-Steve nor anti-Steve. Steve proclaims that he does everything that's best for the Apple user, when in reality, he's doing what's best for Steve. I can't fault him for that. When it comes down to it, more or less, we all do what's best for one's self. But that's an entirely different story for another time.
          • bbardlbradd, on 03/05/2008, -4/+2He doesn't though. Steve doesn't do things that are best for Steve unless Steve is = to Apple. Steve does what's best for Apple. If you knew anything about steve you'd know that he doesn't have or want much, other than to change the world. He gets only $1 a year from Apple. Most of his money came from way back in the day and his stock in various companies. When someone's living on stock, are they really only looking out for themselves? He has basically binded himself to the success of his company, which means he's made a selfless act that will keep him dedicated to Apple's success. How does Apple succeed? By making many many customers, and keeping them happy.
          • imikedaman, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2Allow me to explain myself a bit better:

            You *say* we should back up our praises too, yet I see all this praise for Steve Jobs in this thread and no rebuke from you. Nor do I see any defense for all the baseless attacks against the people or things I listed previously. The difference between those things? One is popular on digg, while the others are not.

            That's what I was getting at.
          • form3hide, on 03/05/2008, -0/+4@bbardlbradd

            What has Steve done for the world? He's a cancer survivor, yet he rarely raises money for the cause, or anything to that extent. Change the world? By pushing Apple products? If he really wanted to change the world, he'd continue to make large contributions quite like the way he did in January with the Steve and Steve Foundation.
        • intellimouse, on 03/05/2008, -6/+3Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was kinda obvious, but here goes...

          Steve Jobs is a ***** prick because:

          1) He wears way too many mock turtlenecks, so he just looks the part.
          2) He talks unsubstantiated ***** about Intel processors for years (and now he's using them).
          3) He talks all sorts of ***** about Windows, but his OS leaves a LOT to be desired (cut n' paste files anyone?).
          4) He's got a huge ***** ego.

          Is that good enough, or should I continue?
          • form3hide, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2much love
          • krakelohm, on 03/05/2008, -1/+3You can continue but its only for your own sake. Most of us have real lives and dont need / want to get worked up over your childish issues with someone you dont even know. Time to grow up.
          • intellimouse, on 03/06/2008, -3/+1, says the guy that got worked up enough to come up with those really good insults...
      • ozid, on 03/05/2008, -0/+4I agree, to a point. It's his way or nothing. Luckily for us (and him), his way is usually always amazing.
        • Tuto, on 03/05/2008, -3/+2Nothing lasts for ever. Eventually he will just choke on his own farts.
      • bbardlbradd, on 03/06/2008, -2/+2intellimouse, you are a mindless troll. You seriously have said nothing worth reading on this entire thread.

        Please close your digg account until you are over the age of 13.
        • intellimouse, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1C'mon that was really entertaining though, wasn't it?
    • tsevis, on 03/05/2008, -7/+5Totally agree.
      • brycelb, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1That is what the thumbs up button is for. It's the green one.
    • afortnightdead, on 03/05/2008, -14/+9What if i neither love OR hate apple? What if I don't give a *****? Where does that leave us?
      • cmgarcia, on 03/05/2008, -4/+15If you really didn't give a *****, I doubt you'd bother commenting on something Apple related.
      • HonoredMule, on 03/05/2008, -2/+5Posting comments on /other/ articles.
      • daborg, on 03/05/2008, -2/+5Not commenting on this article?
      • BrendanSheehan, on 03/05/2008, -1/+4Not giving a ***** is hating, why not just say you aren't interested?
    • rpgmaker, on 03/06/2008, -0/+2I'm nowhere near to be an Apple fan but the Steve Job's story amaze me, seriously. His Standford speech is one of the best (if not the best) I've ever heard or read. http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2005/june15/ ...
    • jer2eydevil88, on 03/06/2008, -1/+1Steve Jobs > Colonel Sanders
  • clak, on 03/05/2008, -26/+171A quick summary of the article: Steve Jobs practically started the personal computer revolution, saved Apple from certain doom, changed the face of animation with Pixar, revolutionized the music industry with the iPod and iTunes and is about to revolutionize the cell phone industry with the iPhone, BUT ...he's like really mean, dude, and did some strange stuff with stock that no one really cares about, and didn't even tell the public he had cancer, even though TECHNICALLY it wasn't against the law, so somehow this means that Apple is DOOMED!

    Christ. If I had a nickel for every article predicting the demise of Apple, I could, well ...buy an iMac!
    • MarkDykeman, on 03/05/2008, -2/+13Would you buy me one as well, then?
      • MacParrot, on 03/05/2008, -0/+11If you just use Digg posts as an example, he could buy us ALL one.
        • bbardlbradd, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2So far, if he made a nickle for every digg, it would only be $3.55...
        • Jesusridesabike, on 03/05/2008, -1/+1Lets digg him down so he doesn't get his iMac.
    • intellimouse, on 03/05/2008, -13/+5Call it wishful thinking.
      • ibeetle, on 03/05/2008, -6/+2Don't you read the Blogs? Don't you listen to the Podcast? Microsoft is now the company that is now doomed.
        The deal with Yahoo does not go through. Microsoft really need this to compete against Google. They are doomed.
        The Zune did not kill the iPod. Microsoft is doomed.
        Vista is a disaster... Microsoft is doomed.
        Windows Mobile sucks... it is all over Microsoft is doomed.
        The Xbox division has never made a profit... it is all over... time to shut it down.
        Microsoft is to big, to corporate. Just like GM they are on their way out.
        In the tech industry every new product is a competing product killer, and someone is always doomed to failure.
        • estvir, on 03/05/2008, -3/+2They don't really need Yahoo to compete with Google.
          The Zune wasn't meant to magically 'kill' the iPod overnight, only morons like you pretend this was Microsoft's plan and as far as their plan is concerned, they're doing really well.
          Vista isn't a disaster unless Digg users are your source.
          WM also doesn't suck and is on how many hundreds of millions of phones?
          They've been making a profit for some time now.

          You're not very bright.
          • HoratioHellpop, on 03/05/2008, -1/+3i kinda think ibeetle was being facetious ...
          • MacParrot, on 03/05/2008, -2/+1Isn't that what Cage did to Travolta?
        • ucg1, on 03/05/2008, -1/+2"Microsoft is now the company that is now doomed."

          Now *that* is some wishful thinking, at least I wish it anyhow :)
    • digitallysick, on 03/05/2008, -2/+8I doubt you would get that many nickels
    • nsummy, on 03/05/2008, -5/+7That actually wasn't an accurate summary of the article at all. It sounds like you just read the first 3 paragraphs.
      • thailand1972, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1Who cares, it was entertaining!
    • mjnewham, on 03/05/2008, -9/+7I think the real godfather of the personal computer is Sir Clive Sinclair who brought out the first affordable personal computer for the home in the late 70's
      • stix213, on 03/05/2008, -1/+3Apple was the first to really popularize the personal computer, even though others technically did exist. (Kinda in the same way Columbus is given credit for discovering the Americas, even though others had before him... Columbus though was the first to make that knowledge well known, so he still deserves the credit - Making something popular is far more important than being the first without anyone else noticing)
        • intellimouse, on 03/05/2008, -5/+2No, not really. It's not "far more important". It's *maybe* of equal importance. Give credit where it's due and stop drinking the Apple kool-aid.
          • stix213, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1Errr, I hate Apple, so I don't know what the hell you are talking about me drinking their Kool-Aid. I wouldn't buy a Mac even if they included a complimentary prostitute.

            The personal computer was a device for big business and uber-techies before Apple came along with their PC for the masses. Apple realized what they hit on and were able to capitalize on it and in the process change the world at a time when other PC makers couldn't figure out how to properly market their products or even what their market should be.

            And even still, Apple released the Apple II in 1977, which was still earlier than Sir Clive Sinclair did.
        • coldfusion1970, on 03/05/2008, -1/+1Not in this country they werent.
          • stix213, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1You might want to specify what country you are in when you make that kind of comment...... Just a thought....
        • coldfusion1970, on 03/10/2008, -0/+1No need to, my point is made by the fact that there is more than just the one country (eg. other places outside the USA).
      • coldfusion1970, on 03/05/2008, -0/+3Kudos.
        I still remeber my first ZX81 back in the early 80's.
        Wobbly ram pack expansion module and all.
        • SaxonXXX, on 03/06/2008, -0/+2Z80A CPU,1K of ram and that included the display, I wrote my first lines of machine code on a ZX81, talk about old school.
    • Cydonius, on 03/05/2008, -2/+0He's one revolution away from a US invasion.
    • houndeyex, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2Holy *****, that's like 35979 nickels!
    • punkcat, on 03/05/2008, -2/+5just like to add it wasn't steve who changed the face of animation, it was John Lassiter.

      • SohailKhanifar, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1I hope he remains the head of pixar for at least another 20 years.
    • Amiga500, on 03/05/2008, -3/+4Practically started the personal computer revolution? No, his ego thinks that. Maybe that's what the article is trying to show after all.
    • McInternet, on 03/05/2008, -3/+2Steve may deserve credit for getting the revolution up to a crawl, but it was Jack Tramiel who kickstarted it with the Commodore 64, which went on to become the best-selling microcomputer model of all time (due in large part to the Apple II being too expensive).
      • coldfusion1970, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1I thought Jacky boy was on the other side with the Atari ST.
        Commodore Amiga 4eva.
  • jackpotiq, on 03/05/2008, -2/+60It amazes me how good very smart people are at rationalizing very stupid beliefs.
    • streak, on 03/05/2008, -0/+7Here's how it can happen:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
      • MacParrot, on 03/05/2008, -0/+5This truth makes me uncomfortable...
    • nycmac247, on 03/05/2008, -2/+4-
    • clak, on 03/05/2008, -10/+3Like people who use Windows, even after the WGA crap, the Vista Capable lies, high software prices, BOSDs, bloatware, and bad security? Yeah, we know exactly what you're talking about.
      • neodorian, on 03/05/2008, -5/+5Or like fanboys who can't even learn how to properly use a computer so they shell out a ton of money for a pretty idiot-proof one that even my grandma can figure out. Enjoy OSX or Linux or whatever all you want but I have no WGA issues, don't run Vista but when I tested it, it ran fine on my 4 year old PC with Aero. I don't pay high software prices because I know where to buy software. I haven't had a BSOD since I was running Win 98. Don't install "bloatware" like itunes, and I haven't had a virus or spyware infection ever.
        • brycelb, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1because making something easy to use is just stupid? We need to go back to out houses and buckets for our water. I don't want people getting to used to this indoor plumbing thing. By the way, I have been using a MAC for 25 years and have never even thought about getting a virus so who really gives a *****.
    • Klainmeister, on 03/05/2008, -0/+4I dont know what you mean, it seems buddhism is one of the more intellectual and least irrational of the mainstream religions...
    • lolmax, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1why is it amazing that smart people can rationalize? we all hold some very stupid beliefs, its just that some of us have the mental capacity to back them up with more "logic" than others
  • fintheman, on 03/05/2008, -9/+3It is all about accountability. Oh wait, if he died it would not have mattered to him. Selfish much?
    • MarkDykeman, on 03/05/2008, -1/+2He's a bit of a mystery, but damned successful.
    • nycmac247, on 03/05/2008, -2/+1If you build it and the next gen are too ***** stupid - even when you've tried - to keep it up maybe that's not your problem?
  • JlmAWP, on 03/05/2008, -12/+13Actually, the problem with Steve Jobs is that the author isn't him. And can't be. These are text tears.
  • dcollins, on 03/05/2008, -9/+29I like a lot of ideas that comes from Steve (we're on a first name basis), but one of my issues with him is he has a phobia of buttons. Sure I like the fact that macs are aesthetic, but sometimes you just need a button to do something, and he refuses to have one.
    • TheNorris, on 03/05/2008, -4/+4Yeah, and I'm on a first name basis with Bill, as in Bill Gates. Beat that!
      • dcollins, on 03/05/2008, -2/+1Really? Think you could set me up a meeting with him? I'm looking for an internship, and I think meeting with the big guy might help my application get pushed through.
      • IllBeBack, on 03/05/2008, -1/+5I'm on a first-name basis with Steve. Steve Williams, the guy in the next cube from me.
      • Louis11, on 03/05/2008, -1/+1Linus.
    • tinotheelf, on 03/05/2008, -1/+9For a second I thought you were referring to his wardrobe.
    • stix213, on 03/05/2008, -6/+1Well, Apple tries to make trendy tech products that even the ignorant masses can use..... and the ignorant masses always have difficulty with buttons since they actually have to make decisions on their own about whether or not to press them. Apple's products have sold well partly because any moron can use them with little difficulty, and removing the choice of having to press a button or not goes a long way for many folks.

      Ohhh, and they look ugly too
    • monospaced, on 03/05/2008, -0/+4What, like a button to open Internet Explorer?
    • dcollins, on 03/06/2008, -2/+2@monospaced

      I was thinking more along the lines of a right-click on my Macbook Pro. It could still technically be one button, with an electric contact on each end such that it could recognize if the user was pressing the left side or the right side, it the user wanted to enable right click.

      That or maybe a real volume knob (not a hotkey on the F-buttons) so that when I arrive late to a lecture and turn on my computer, the "BONG" sound doesn't resonate through the hall.

      How about putting the on button of the iMac on the front where people can see it, instead of having to reach around back and having to find it. It's not like its a dirty secret that computers have on buttons. I bought an iMac for my sister, who's in a wheelchair, and really has a problem reaching around back to turn it on.

      Just a few examples, although I am sure I could come up with more. That and until touch pads can offer textile feedback, I will stick to real keyboards.
      • tim710, on 03/06/2008, -2/+1@ dcollins, you do know you can reply directly to his comment right? Like I'm doing now to you?
        Also, pics of you don't know jobs at all. If you really do, and you work at Apple or something, congrads.
        • dcollins, on 03/06/2008, -1/+2Yea the whole Steve thing was just a joke on how all mac users act like they're buddy buddy with jobs, even though they've never met them. Apparently not everyone got it. Second, I am aware of the reply to comment, but I apparently hit the wrong reply tab. Sorry to offend you.
    • robogobo, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1oh, now you want knobs? what's next, a friggin gear shift and steering wheel?
  • macwac, on 03/05/2008, -7/+3I still think i'll wait a bit with buying the stocks until this recession is over..
    • stix213, on 03/05/2008, -0/+4Errr..... By the time you know that the recession is over the stock prices have long reflected that fact. If you want to buy stocks at a discount you have to buy when the majority of investors still think we are in a recession.
    • clak, on 03/05/2008, -0/+5Yeah, real smart there. You're going to buy the stock when it goes back up? Christ. Good luck with that.
    • dan222555, on 03/05/2008, -1/+3You mean that recession that never started?
  • mecole21, on 03/05/2008, -11/+5What a jackass....
  • Accolade1, on 03/05/2008, -16/+3Here is a Rick Roll
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw2nkoGLhrE
    • Bologner, on 03/05/2008, -2/+4Ok.
      Enough of the honest Rick Rolling.
  • nycmac247, on 03/05/2008, -2/+6FTA Democracies don't make great products
    • amida, on 03/05/2008, -1/+2As Jaron Lanier said, the iPhone was not designed via wiki.
  • abagchee, on 03/05/2008, -9/+9Boy this must be a slow news day! What's next? Discussing the relevance of bunnies to Easter??
  • rmw132, on 03/05/2008, -2/+4He gives Gordon Gekko a run for his money...
    • pnunn, on 03/05/2008, -1/+1See- it doesn't even matter if this is accurate or has anything to do with the article- cause you made a "Wall Street" reference and that is always awesome.

      Just thinking of that scene on the beach with the brontosaurus sized cell phone makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
      I think the tackiness of that movie has made it actually become better with age.
  • samdu, on 03/05/2008, -2/+9I think history has shown that he's the best thing for Apple. Gil Amelio was the worst thing for Apple.
    • NSResponder, on 03/05/2008, -1/+6No, John Sculley and Michael Spindler were the worst thing for Apple. Gil pulled a rabbit out of the hat and got Apple some critical emergency funding, and he also made the decision to buy NeXT instead of Be. What sunk Gil, was the fact that before Steve returned, Apple was unmanageable. Under Sculley, people had gotten used to doing whatever the hell they wanted.

      -jcr
      • seiga, on 03/05/2008, -0/+0Dugg for truth.

      • MacParrot, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2Even after all that happened with Amelio, he doesn't have many bad things to say about Apple or Steve Jobs. Amelio is a business man and knows sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, but don't alienate anyone who might be able to help you later. In other words, don't burn your bridges.
        I credit Amelio for many of the good things that came out of Apple like the iMac program which started under his watch, not Jobs.
  • KezG, on 03/05/2008, -8/+5Steve Jobs is my sugar daddy.
  • nascarnate326, on 03/05/2008, -4/+5In other news today is Wednesday...
    • blackjack75, on 03/05/2008, -0/+4I'll come back tomorrow and check if you're still right or if you're just playing with my mind.
      • IllBeBack, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1He'll be correct once per week for the rest of time. That's more than a lot of other dumbasses can claim.
        • tim710, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1What if we switch to a different calender, or are completely eradicated from existence?
  • Blakechi, on 03/05/2008, -8/+13The fact that he parks in handicapped spaces pretty much sums it up to me.
    Another persuasion
    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060126-6062 ...
  • digitallysick, on 03/05/2008, -6/+41Woz is still the man!
  • Blakechi, on 03/05/2008, -14/+11He parks in handicapped spaces for f**k's sake. .nuff said.

    More persuasion http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060126-6062 ...
    • jferrari, on 03/05/2008, -1/+5Yeah so do I, people with disabilities are always whining about equal rights so they can go and park where everyone else does.
  • canadaboy, on 03/05/2008, -1/+1Is it the same trouble as the trouble with Harry?
  • strangerzero, on 03/05/2008, -5/+2There's nothing new in this article. For newbies only.
    • Chassit, on 03/05/2008, -6/+3Kind of like Apple products.
    • abrooks, on 03/05/2008, -1/+2You kidding me?

      As someone with a fair knowledge of these things, I was unaware that Jobs was diagnosed nine-months before surgery and that he started his own company called Steve P Jobs Incorporated but shut it down 15 months later.

      Must make me a newb.
  • jbfdiggs, on 03/05/2008, -1/+16I'll watch "Pirates of Silicon Valley" again!
  • skyz, on 03/05/2008, -3/+40steve jobs is an arrogant control freak HOWEVER he has a killer sense of simplistic style
    • hachijuhachi, on 03/05/2008, -2/+3You can't deny that Apple makes the most stylish products on the market. For many many people (obvious from the sales numbers) the functionality of the products is enough. People who value function over style without exception probably account for 90% of those who have a major problem with the apple products.
      • nubnub, on 03/05/2008, -1/+5Yeah but Steve Jobs didn't design it.
        • hachijuhachi, on 03/05/2008, -1/+1He didn't design it, but since he's in charge of the company that did design it, he gets credit for it. Right or wrong, that's how things work these days. He also is deserving of credit, because Apple wasn't designing products like this while Jobs wasn't in charge.
      • betobeto, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1Function and style don't have to be mutually exclusive, and most Apple products are proof of that. You can have your cake and eat it too - if you know how.
    • lolmax, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2i'm pretty sure "arrogant control freak could" describe a lot of people that are extremely good at what they do. amiright or amiright?
    • jer2eydevil88, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1He's earned the right to be act the way he does to anyone who wants to work for him. However his historical abuse toward his family just shames the hell out of his legacy.
  • Stryder81, on 03/05/2008, -2/+8I have been waiting for my 24 inch imac for almost 2 weeks now. It is arriving today. What was the point of that? Because I never owned a Mac, never even thought about it all that much till' Steve Jobs came back to Apple and re-created the Apple brand. I'm sure I am not alone when I look at him and the company in that light.

    Why is apple so great? Because you have people on all angles who create and craft on things they live & die for. Steve and his company have such a vision for products and it shows.

  • 0515idc, on 03/05/2008, -7/+1digg http://www.koobook.net
  • meshman, on 03/05/2008, -6/+7"He oozes smug superiority, lacing his public comments with ridicule of Apple's rivals, which he casts as mediocre, evil, and - worst of all - lacking taste."

    You can be really good at something in life but when you're an arrogant, smug assed ***** about it, a lot of that gets cancelled out.
    • drlha, on 03/05/2008, -3/+12To be fair, most of Apple's competitors are mediocre, evil and lacking in taste.
    • hachijuhachi, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1I would also add that Apple's bottom line and Jobs's bank account don't really care at this point who is "cancelling" him "out."
    • kipmartin, on 03/05/2008, -2/+1which is why i dugg you down.
    • clak, on 03/05/2008, -3/+5Steve Jobs is Mozart to Bill Gates' Salieri. That is, while Salieri was more popular and successful in his day for his mediocrity, it's Mozart that people remember.
      • HoratioHellpop, on 03/05/2008, -3/+1Right, because nobody will remember Bill Gates in 50 years. Only one of the world's wealthiest men ever.
        • drlha, on 03/05/2008, -1/+2Who was the world's wealthiest man 50 years ago, out of interest?
          • HoratioHellpop, on 03/05/2008, -2/+1Rockerfeller. Next?
          • drlha, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1Rockefeller died in 1937, so no, he wasn't the world's richest man 50 years ago.
        • johnpaul191, on 03/05/2008, -0/+3Maybe he agrees with clak, and that's why he started the Gates foundation? Not only do they throw money at all kinds of problems, they make sure NPR reminds me of it at least once an hour.

  • hasslinthehoff, on 03/05/2008, -2/+6With Apple, the product is king. With everyone else, it's the timetable. It's so simple and yet so elusive for most companies and CEOs to grasp. Jobs understands this and that's what has made him create insanely great products.
    • 68024, on 03/06/2008, -2/+1The build quality leaves too often to be desired, however. iPods that last no longer than 2 years for example. As if they were pre-programmed to self-destruct in order for Apple to rip you off again with a $499 mp3 player.
      • zoom1928, on 03/06/2008, -1/+1I'll have to disagree with you as I'm listening to music right now on my four year-old mini. This morning I spent time listening to my five year-old 10Gbyte iPod that still works. The battery only lasts 45 minutes so it's what I use on the bus to/from home rather than all day in the office like my new iPod nano. I've dropped my iPods dozens of times while sitting at my desk or riding on the bus. My oldest iPod has been through such hell that it is hard to read the screen from the deep scratches. I'll have to disagree strongly with your build quality comment.
        • hasslinthehoff, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1I second that... my Macintosh G3 Blue and White that I bought in 2000 is still running fine, albeit with a processor, hard drive and memory upgrade that I installed myself. I've never had to take it to get serviced once.
    • mabhatter, on 03/06/2008, -0/+2The trouble is that in stable companies timetables make the products. IBM can't just release whatever they want, and damn the paying customers. If you rely on a product, you need to have it in a stable fashion, so you can budget, make plans that affect your business. That's why no "normal" businesses take Apple seriously. You can't plan to by 10 20" white iMacs a month for 200 total machines then have Apple change the hardware or OS to something non-compatible without warning. Now it doesn't match the office plans or omits a key feature half way thru. Businesses pay far more per computer than home owners do. Apple will only ever reach a certain size without addressing their secrecy/timetable issues.

      It's nice when Apple is growing like a weed again, but in the future Steve's lack of customer "delight" is something that will make everybody turn on Apple with just one bad product. Steve has positioned Apple to be very mobile but also almost capricious and fickle. He's not building a system that works WITHOUT HIM. It's nice to be in charge, to have a company that can deliver what YOU vision, but if he's holding all the cards, if something happens to him, nobody knows what to do. Worse, from the article nobody WANTS to make decisions without Steve's say so... THAT is a death sentence to Apple at some point in time.
  • rikwakefield, on 03/05/2008, -4/+4Read this: http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=936
    ...then try and tell me Steve Jobs isn't a psychopath. Seriously, i'm not joking.
    • blackjack75, on 03/05/2008, -1/+2Isn't being a psychopath a necessary step in achieving great things?

      (I agree it's not the only step but it's the only I reached so far).
      • rikwakefield, on 03/05/2008, -1/+1I wouldn't say all great achievers are psychopaths, some are, but not all.
    • VenDrake, on 03/05/2008, -1/+1What's wrong with being a psychopath?
      • rikwakefield, on 03/05/2008, -1/+1Did I say there was anything wrong with it? Just making an observation.
    • MacParrot, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2If you weren't joking you probably should have been. True psychopaths typically do not function well in society or in business (the two don't always go hand in hand). Only the truly weak minded will fall in with such people and typically are lacking themselves in self-confidence or intelligence. You can say what you want about Apple's products, but they were not designed by people without self-confidence or intelligence...the Mac Cube and Pippen not withstanding.
      • rikwakefield, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2You didn't read the article did you? Or the book the article is based on (written by one of the world's most respected professionals in this field). Guess what... I did.
        • MacParrot, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1Oh I read the article but I don't see any correlation between psychopathic behavior and Jobs. Having said that, I also wouldn't want to work for him. I'll take your word on it that you read a book.
    • robogobo, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1this has nothing to do with anything.
  • skeletorcares, on 03/05/2008, -11/+5special diets do not cure cancer! ***** moron.
    • skeletorcares, on 03/05/2008, -7/+3whoever's burying this down.. you think special diets cure cancer?
    • MacParrot, on 03/05/2008, -0/+4I didn't bother to digg you down but maybe...JUST maybe it's because you're coming across like an *****
      • skeletorcares, on 03/05/2008, -6/+1Shuddup blind fanboy. Your site isn't even close to well designed.
      • MacParrot, on 03/06/2008, -1/+3WOW! THAT'S your comeback! I guess first impressions are sometimes right
    • adooga, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1Have done before. Why you so angry?
      • skeletorcares, on 03/05/2008, -5/+1I can't even tell what you're trying to say. 'Have done before'? you mean, it has worked before? and if that's what you're getting at, i hope you get cancer and try to treat it with your special diet so that way you'll die and fall off the face of existence, like this idiot steve jobs should.
        • robogobo, on 03/06/2008, -1/+4have done before means he's buried your ass before. we all have. we troll you just to bury your clammering *****, and we get all our friends to do it too. everybody hates you.
          • skeletorcares, on 03/06/2008, -2/+1Oh no, the apple mafia! better watch out for a whole bunch of rainbows and 2" dicks. Get a life, communist.
    • robogobo, on 03/06/2008, -1/+3yes, they do, you ***** *****. how the ***** bloody hell did you come up with that?
      • skeletorcares, on 03/06/2008, -2/+1Evidence? Cuz, No. No. They do not.
  • mik3pass, on 03/05/2008, -3/+2Can anyone say iSurgeon?
  • nubnub, on 03/05/2008, -6/+4Douche bag
  • habenneas, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1Lynxcache.org mirror: http://www.lynxcache.org/usr/1/The_trouble_with_St ...
  • CarbonAndroid, on 03/05/2008, -3/+6Sociopath comes to mind.
    • MacParrot, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1You should probably see someone about that
  • pcpimpster, on 03/05/2008, -4/+1History will repeat itself.

    • robogobo, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1what, you mean that thing with you and your sister? yeah, I know. sad.
  • DoubtingThomas, on 03/05/2008, -7/+6Two reasons the mac has grown in popularity:

    1. Mac OS X being based off of a real operating system (Darwin/FreeBSD).
    2. The migration of macs to the x86 arc.

    Neither of those things have anything to do with Steve's impeccable sense of style /rolls eyes.
    Without 1 (and to a much lesser extent 2) no one outside of the graphics design industry, Hollywood and old-school Mac zealots would even give Macs a second glance.
    • clak, on 03/05/2008, -0/+7Christ, who was it that made the decision to go with Darwin and Unix and migrate to Intel. Steve Jobs. That's who.
    • stix213, on 03/05/2008, -2/+7BS

      1) Most Mac users don't even understand what their OS is based on. All they are concerned with is the UI. The simple to use UI of Macs is much more responsible than what kernel, etc the OS is based on.
      2) The boom in Mac popularity began before the x86 swap. The x86 swap was done to improve performance compared to PCs (they had been lacking for some time) and as a cost reducer. Most Mac users couldn't tell you what architecture processor they are running and couldn't care less anyway. The processor architecture is transparent to the user.

      My characterization of Mac users doesn't represent Mac users on Digg, but as a whole based on a few decades of experience. If I were to over generalize Mac users on Digg I would say they are very interested in the CPU architecture and would likely spend all day recompiling their OS X kernel to tweak ever bit of speed out of it...... If only Apple would release the source)
      • bbardlbradd, on 03/06/2008, -2/+21) Most Mac users don't even understand that their OS is based on? Only the girls don't know, every guy I know with a mac knows what the ***** is up. Why do you think we HAVE macintoshes? We know what's up.

        2) The boom WAS before the x86 switch. They switched though because it would improve power/price and because the power architecture was dying. The last notebook with a power pc was a G4, why was this? IBM was squeezing as much power out of power architecture as possible, but they had issues when it came to heating. There was no way to get a G5 to last in a notebook, and G5's in desktops had to be water-cooled by the time they were releasing the final models of the PowerMac G5's.
        • stix213, on 03/06/2008, -0/+11) As I said, I wasn't characterizing Digg readers, just Mac users in general. I'm betting your friends are more along the lines of Digg readers

          2) I don't see your point here. The x86 switch still was not a major reason for the growth of the Mac, although you are correct that the switch helped to not slow the already established growth trend. I'd argue that Apple's PC vs Mac ad campaign and the popularity of the iPod has had much more to do with Mac growth than the x86 switch.
          • bbardlbradd, on 03/06/2008, -1/+11) No, most aren't actually digg users. They have account but they don't use them, well most have accounts. A lot don't though.

            2) I never said the x86 switch was a major factor, I wasn't arguing that point. On the contrary, I was agreeing. The x86 switch came after the boom, and in my opinion (based on the people that I have talked to, and my own experience), it wasn't due to the iPod's success. If anything though, the iPod, I'm sure, has done more for the computer industry /so far/ than the x86 switch. Honestly though, I think Apple started attracting people to the computers when the white iBook/Brushed Aluminum Powerbooks and PowerMacs came out. The iMac G3 also caught the attention of a lot of people and the Media. It's still the most sought after iMacs ever made, that should prove my point to some extent. Also, OS 9 pushed a lot of people away from Apple, in schools and so one, OS X however is a very fine OS and is impressive to anyone who is unfamiliar with post 2000 macs. I'm sure OS X is a larger contributer to Apple's success than the iPod.
    • johnpaul191, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2nonsense
      1. the average end user has no idea what BSD/Unix are. Apple could have whipped up something like the OS X GUI and put it on top of something else and most people would be happy. The classic Mac OS was not bad, and a hell of a lot more stable than whatever version of windows was out at the time.

      2. again, the average user doesn't care if it's an Intel chip or a PPC. there may be some people that go "oooh Intel, they're a big company with commercials and stuff". the old PPC platform was fine, it was just that they were not advancing as fast as x86. It's too bad since the PPC was the choice for console games. before the G5 series, the PPC chips were known for running cooler and drawing less power. i really would get over 5 hours out of my 2001 iBook. 7 years later that's still considered amazing battery life on a single battery machine.

      if any one thing was significant, i would believe the people that think the iPod was the trojan horse. i know some people hate it, but i really like iTunes. people would use iPods with iTunes and hit that "eureka! computers don't have to be a pain in the ass" moment.
      • bbardlbradd, on 03/06/2008, -1/+1I'm a mac user, and I have a 1.42Ghz PPC w/512k L2 and 333Mhz FSB. I cannot wait to get an intel, though the PPC is fine for what it does. I want the computer equivalent to a swiss army knife, and an Intel mac is just that.

        I know many mac users, and al but the females know what FreeBSD and Unix are. Mas OS9 was gay, but yes, stable. Also, as I've said before I care about my CPU architecture. So does everyone that I know, even the girls seem to care about that.

        I liked iTunes before I knew about that iPod, and I thought the iPod was stupid and Apple was stupid... until I found out that Apple makes computers too. I was way out there, I must have been, but after I found the PowerMac and read up on it, I started to go a little mac crazy like "WHY HAVE I NOT HEARD ABOUT THIS!? OMFG OMFG!!!". I still like iTunes more than Windows Media Player 10 or 11, or Winamp, or VLC, or banshee or w/e. Not one person I know bought an Apple computer because of the Apple iPod. I find that argument to be invalid.
    • bxblox, on 03/05/2008, -0/+3People like macs because theyre pretty, and the OS because its simple. For most owners, aside from pro users, theyre giant ipods.
      • bbardlbradd, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1It was a strange moment when I was wanting to buy an iPod, and I realized I don't need one... b/c I have an 60Gb iPod with a 14" display and Wifi.
  • kipmartin, on 03/05/2008, -8/+3republicans hate steve jobs because A.) hes a liberal, B.) hes a Buddhist, and C.) hes smarter,richer, and more creative than they are. im willing to bet that mac users are on average, more liberal that their PC using friends.
    • clak, on 03/05/2008, -0/+6Rush Limbaugh uses Macs.
    • IllBeBack, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2Your apostrophe key must be broken. "hes" and "im"? C'mon, give me a break...
      • bbardlbradd, on 03/06/2008, -1/+1Ok, you can go on break now. Be back to troll and be nazi in 15 min. WE'LL NEED YOU!!!
    • stix213, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2FUD - Rush Limbaugh is one of the most famous Mac fanboys of all time
      • DaManDOH, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2I die a little inside every time I hear even a snippet of the bloviated untruths espoused by that titanic addict of a man...

        ...when I remember he's also a Mac user, I die twice as much.
    • johnpaul191, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2Rush has also blasted Apple's politics for well over 10 years on his radio show. I used to work with Rush fans that had to listen every day.
      I would venture to guess that people running some flavor of OSS are the most liberal.... generally speaking of course.
  • baggedhemi22, on 03/05/2008, -3/+4If I seen that prick in a Handicap space, I'd smash his Merc. On the other hand I do love his products.....
    • stix213, on 03/05/2008, -0/+3You should just key it with the edge of your iPod
  • dwright99, on 03/05/2008, -1/+6After reading that, are you sure he is a Buddhist?
  • matriculated, on 03/05/2008, -0/+6He was skeptical of modern medicine? Hello? You make computers.
  • stinkypyper, on 03/05/2008, -3/+7This is no computer but Apple and Steve Jobs is it's prophet! Peace be upon him.

    Apple Akhbar!, Apple Akhbar!, Apple Akhbar!
    • DaManDOH, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2I must admit: that had me snickering, even in its cultural insensitivity.

      After all, I doubt the worldwide-average Muslim is nearly as fanatical as the worldwide-average member of the Apple faithful.

      *runs from the banhammer*
      • jo21, on 03/06/2008, -0/+1i think you are right, or the iphone wouldn't had the hype it got...
        too bad its a not selling at all.... its out from the top 10 best selling phones and highest position it got was 5th.

        below nokia nseries devices and sony ericsson cybershot
  • grindmygears, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2The only trouble with Steve Jobs is that his sense of style rivals only that of Simon Cowell. Don't believe me? See below:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_cowell
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
  • markivey, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1I like how someone once described him as a "dictator with good taste."
    There's such a mystique built up about the "mesiah," and he has such a strong groupie following, it's easy to swallow almost anything that seems to fit, fact or fiction. But surely he doesn't park in handicapped spaces (do you Steve?).
    • bobartig, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1Yes he does. If you frequent Apple campus, you'll regularly see his no-license-plate-having car in a handicap spot.
  • hc22, on 03/05/2008, -2/+2If you read the early histories of the leading computer people, Bill Gates was actually a nicer person than Steve Jobs. Bill was tenacious and was a bit luckier in his business decisions, but from reading about folks who worked with both men, they all thought Bill Gates was a nicer guy. They all thought Jobs was smarter but that his ego was his biggest handicap.
    And Microsoft has been more successful over the past 2 decades.
  • flashback99, on 03/05/2008, -3/+2Apple PR at it again...
  • Calcularius, on 03/05/2008, -1/+5I didn't know he tried to deny he was father to his first daughter and made her and the mother live on welfare while he made millions. What a douche.
  • nugx, on 03/05/2008, -0/+1Considering the stock was worth *****, the products were uninspired and innovation was lacking while he was at NeXT, I would say that he's the best thing to ever happen to the company he founded.
  • EwMo, on 03/05/2008, -1/+0It took me from 638 diggs to 785 diggs to read that... It's long, but a good article
  • scottbaez, on 03/05/2008, -1/+0Holy crap. Steve Jobs' biological father tends bar at a truck stop/casino not 5 miles from my house.
  • DaManDOH, on 03/05/2008, -0/+2This strikes me as the same "Steve Jobs will kill Apple" rhetoric of the 1980s, except now there's a health issue involved. Apple has never been an easily-pigeonholed company. When CEOs try it, the product lines -- and, by proxy, the consumers -- suffer. Apple's most faithful investors and customers understand that. Hence why Apple continues to confound conventional investors. As Joel Hodgson had once said of his series Mystery Science Theater 3000, "Either you get it or you don't." Jobs and Apple have always thrived under the same understanding.

    I would not want to work for the man, but you can't fault the success he generates from those who do.
  • matt.rubin, on 03/06/2008, -0/+2I don't like the man or his company, but i give him respect and would hate to see him leave
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