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The Worst Thing about Macs

extremetech.com — I'm sure some irate Mac fans have already fired off angry emails, based upon the deck for this editorial alone, but hopefully the rest of you will at least get through this background stuff first. In April of last year, I bought a Macbook Pro as my new notebook. Note that this is hardly my first Apple computer. I grew up on Apple IIs, back in

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  • MarthaBiggly, on 10/23/2007, -113/+632Well said. Absolutely spot on.
    • marm0lade, on 10/19/2007, -23/+94Not sure why you are getting dugg down. This article is spot on. Look at the comment thread for any Zune article on digg and you will see why.
      • superkendall, on 10/18/2007, -38/+7Lots of complaints about the Zune, you don't need to have used a Zune to express. The lack of full wireless sharing for non DRM files for example is something obvious on the face of it.

        I've used a Zune before, and it had some nice interface features but I found the transition to playing video offered a confusing control set with play/pause buttons rotated. There's an example of a complaint that would require you to have actually used a Zune, and I think it's a valid one.
        • nuteredardvark, on 10/18/2007, -7/+37"The lack of full wireless sharing for non DRM files for example is something obvious on the face of it."
          You missed the point the article just stated that the ipods don't even have the wifi capabilities so why is everyone complaining about things that fall under the wifi capabilities. Just because the zunes wifi isn't perfect, it's still better then no wifi.
          • rubbers0ul, on 10/15/2007, -39/+5Just because my car can't drive on any real roads, it's still better than no car. If you're going to do something at least do it well, don't half ass it, that's the major problem people have with the Zune's wifi capabilities. Apple decided not to put wifi on the 5G iPod because it wouldn't have been polished enough to be usable.
          • Manbeast01, on 10/15/2007, -2/+19so his car that can't drive on any real roads is inferior to your car that doesn't have any wheels?
        • Swift2, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2iPod touch has Wi-Fi, and the Wi-Fi iTunes store. And the iPhone as well. And it works on Windows and Mac.

          Do you mean there aren't substitutes for iTunes developed on Windows? Don't believe you. On the Mac, there are at least a dozen programs like Senuti that can manage an iPod. Okay, to get on the iTunes Store, you need iTunes. But you can also use the Amazon mp3 store, which rocks!
        • grieks, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Confusing? The play/pause button doesn't rotate, it's in the center of the control pad. The volume up/down and forward/reverse buttons rotate, but that makes a lot of sense seeing as you are rotating the entire device as well to watch videos. It would be much more confusing if the buttons didn't rotate.
      • Terc, on 10/15/2007, -4/+33Fantastic article. I just wish the title would have been something closer to "The Worst Thing Apple" This really isn't a complaint about Macs (which would refer to their computers).
      • Tenoq, on 10/11/2007, -30/+15I'm not sure this is worthy of an article. All platforms seem to have their zealots - and I don't think Apple has more than others. I've certainly come across way, WAY more one-eyed Windows users than Mac addicts. At the very least, Mac users recognise Windows is the only option for some applications - MS nazis will never make such a concession! And don't get my started on the elitism of many Linux geeks! While I can see the point of the article, I don't see how it separates Macs from PCs: Windows or Linux-based.

        Windows & Linux boys can hit the thumbs down now. :p
        • ucg1, on 10/11/2007, -9/+10Well, what you have to realize here is that LINUX ***** RULES!!!

          And I say that as someone who uses Windows, OS X, and Linux on a daily basis.
        • infinity198, on 10/15/2007, -0/+12the article was not saying that apple has more fanboys. with apple being 3% market share(correct me if im wrong) its kinda hard for them to beat MS on fanboys.
          what the article did say is that apple fanboys are LOUDER.
          and honestly your kinda proving it.
        • arcticblue, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5I dugg you up. No fanboy wants to admit it, but it is true. That's why I keep all 3 OSes around. They all have there strengths and weaknesses so I use what is best for the job. Zealots would rather try and wrestle with there OS for hours to get something to work and then claim that their OS is the best because it can do it too.
          • Terc, on 10/18/2007, -2/+2I administrate an office full of Windows computers... and I HATE Windows.

            Why do we use Windows, you ask? Well, because it's familiar to the employees, and because several applications we use only work on Windows (since it's been the most widely used desktop OS for so long, developers haven't bothered with other OS's).

            Neither of these reasons make Windows a good operating system.

            I'm neither an Apple or Linux "fanboy" (damn, I HATE that word), I use Linux and Windows at work, and when I get home, a dual boot Mac with Linux on the secondary partition.

            Mac - ease of use, relaxing interface
            Linux - (I'm most familiar with Fedora and Ubuntu) for speed, intelligent package management, and lately, interface design.
            Windows - only usefull because it's got so many developers. Mind you, most of these developers are not even willing to create installers that both install correctly, and uninstall without leaving droppings all over your file system behind. Not entirely the developer's fault though, since Microsoft has changed the way they are supposed to do installations about a dozen times in the last decade. Go ahead, install a program with the default installer. Where do you go to launch it? Start menu? Did they add it to the Start menu this time? Maybe a Desktop shortcut. Or, hey, Quick launch toolbar? If not, did it get installed to C:%Program Name% ? Maybe C:Program Files%Program Name% Not there either? Ok, look in C:Program Files%Company Name%%Program Name% THIS is why I'm sick and tired of Microsoft.
            Oh, and hey, who DOESN'T want 5 ways to get to a file or program? Start menu, My Computer, Run command, Desktop Shortcut, Quicklaunch Toolbar, Browse... from the file -> open menu... And there's more. Windows is the most cluttered piece of dung I've ever seen. There are just so many things that Microsoft has done wrong, they need to start over.
      • ninja0, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7He was getting dugg down by the irate apple fan mob.
        dugg up :)
      • richardhenry, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Oh yeah totally. Yeah, so the design for the first load of Zunes was a bit crummy, but the new redux is very nice indeed, and the X-Box is easily the best console out there. I think I would buy a Zune, if it supported the Mac aswell as the iPod does. There's nothing wrong with loving Apple's products, provided you don't lose your sense of objectivity on everything else.

        This is coming from a Mac user, so I hope we're not all bad.
    • Elranzer, on 10/11/2007, -11/+18Best part about this article: the Dell ads (especially the one with the gay cowboy). Puts aside all Mac stereotypes in one SWF.
    • macaddct1984, on 10/15/2007, -31/+112The title of the Digg article should be: The worst thing about mac /fans/

      This article has nothing to do with macs
      • 8270369, on 10/15/2007, -10/+25I thought the same thing. There are far far better, more maturely written, objective and knowledgeable lists of areas where Macs and OSX could be improved.
        • jdoe562, on 10/15/2007, -19/+4LOL, you are getting dugg down by fanboys for saying something intelligent and true,

          "NOOOOO, THERE ARE NO WAYS THAT ALMIGHTY JOBS CAN IMPROVE!!!!!"
        • ninja0, on 10/12/2007, -10/+12jobs is a greedy bastard too.
          bill gates donates millions every year to charity.
          i dont ever hear about jobs doing that.
          • badjoke, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4It's very true. Jobs doesn't give much or anything to charity that I've heard. I believe there was a story about this on digg a while back.
          • MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6Right, because how much a CEO gives to charity translates into how well their OS works or how obnoxious their fanboys are. Good point.
      • mfearby, on 10/12/2007, -19/+29It has everything to do with Macs. At the start of this year I took on support for a new lab of Intel 20" iMacs and was quite taken with them. But, as the months went by and I had to continue supporting them, the one thing that stood out was having to deal with Mac users in various support forums. They are all so brainwashed and convinced that everything Apple does is infallible such that anybody with a brain capable of being used for independent analysis stands no chance of getting anywhere with Apple products. It's Apple's way or the highway!
        • Anevilweasel, on 10/12/2007, -19/+12"They are all so brainwashed"

          Credibility died right there.
        • infinity198, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4well maybe not all but the loud ones in the forums are. tell them something they dont like and they go off on u.
        • thewfirestarter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Retarded forum dwellers exist for literally everything. The only difference is that computers are very polarized in personal preferences.


      • infinity198, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6so mac fans have nothing to do with macs ?
        • thewfirestarter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9I would say no, users don't make a computer system any better or worse (except maybe in linux, where users can be contributers too).
      • dougallj, on 10/12/2007, -6/+9I'm part of the cult, so maybe I'm a bit biased, but I really don't think you can blame a company or product for how the community behaves. The fact that the product is (allegedly) so good that fans rant about its superiority can hardly be considered a fault of the product.
        • badjoke, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7That's why he said Apple's problem is the cult, and not anything about the company.
        • mfearby, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2If anything, I blame the Mac fans more than anybody else because it's their sycophantic and slavish acceptance of all things Apple that has allowed Apple to become sloppy. Because just about all of them I've come across say things like "that's just the Apple way" or "why would you want to do it your way anyway?" Apple has been allowed to get away with not fixing things or failing to improve things that would help newcomers (especially from the Windows world). I'm not asking for the defaults to be made such that loyal Mac users would be pissed off but would it be too hard to add some obscure preference pane to change things for the benefit of those that might want them? No. But since Apple has grown used to catering for a bunch of lemmings, they just don't care and refuse to innovate in ways that would sell more product. Whoever is to blame, it all adds up to 99% worthy products that unfortunately have some ugly warts that I just can't justify paying for.
          • codmate, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Exactly. Maybe if Apple Fans weren't so rabidly devoted, then Finder would actually be useful by now...
        • dinostabOMG, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1I'll agree with you essentially, but don't think you got away with sneaking in that bit about "fans rant about its superiority." Zealots are zealots, it has nothing to do with superiority.
    • emiles, on 10/23/2007, -11/+51Not sure why he's getting dugg down but you think the article is spot on? The article explains why he is getting dugg down.
    • monsterofNone, on 10/12/2007, -43/+14who the... when do you actually meet a mac fan? i'm a mac user since 1985 and i've never met a mac "fan." if you write for a magazine i guess you get your share of nutjobs of any flavor... and if you sample mac users by showing up at new product roll outs you might get a fairly skewed view of the typical mac user. i've never hung out with, met with, or even spoken to a mac "fan." i know a few mac users though and we're all pretty busy folks just trying to get our work done.
      • mrsteveman1, on 10/12/2007, -8/+11Digg perhaps? They seem to make it difficult to discuss anything rationally, just like all nut-job ***** do, including Linux maniacs, and Windows crackpots :D

        Did i leave anyone out?
        • rompom7, on 10/12/2007, -6/+14I'm afraid there is a _lot_ more mac fans than linux maniacs and windows crackpots put together.
      • indiephoenix, on 10/11/2007, -2/+7Go to nearly any art school in California. You'll find at least a few. I think they were mostly Graphic Design majors at mine, to be honest. I don't know if that is typical though.
      • strupatn, on 10/11/2007, -3/+8You may be a Mac fan, so Mac fans appear to be normal, functioning people.
      • alex7575, on 10/11/2007, -5/+6This one is a doozy, I wish people put '/sarcasm' or '/nosarcasm' on all their comments.

        "i'm a mac user since 1985 and i've never met a mac "fan""
        "i know a few mac users though and we're all pretty busy folks just trying to get our work done."

        A mac fan fan, is still a mac fan.
    • Tunguska, on 10/18/2007, -63/+16One thing Mac users can do that PC users can't:


      SHUT THE ***** UP
      • eatasandwich, on 10/15/2007, -3/+37*throws away the page of the dictionary where "irony" is listed...hits print scrn.......*
      • Lyanto, on 10/15/2007, -4/+17Now there's a self-defeating comment if I've ever seen one!
      • rabidg00se, on 10/15/2007, -6/+18http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ma ...

        almost
      • wafflez, on 10/15/2007, -1/+12LOL....dude do you even see the irony in your comment? also, how many 'pc is better than mac' things have you seen...anywhere on digg?
      • wafflez, on 10/12/2007, -10/+4LOL....dude do you even see the irony in your comment? also, how many 'pc is better than mac' things have you seen...anywhere on digg?
        frick doubleposted, digg down.
      • Tunguska, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Holy *****, I meant to say it the other way around...

        *****!
        • grieks, on 10/15/2007, -0/+5Only took you 10 hours to realize that ;)
    • danielwsmithee, on 10/12/2007, -5/+13I agree with most of what he has to say but it does say something that his biggest complaints about Macs are not actually about the computers themselves but the people that use them. I love my Macs, but I have also had my fair share of issues and complaints about like my 3 logic boards that were replaced on my first iBook or the fact the finder can supposedly do ftp. My iMac is the only machine that has been nearly perfect.
      • wageslaven, on 10/12/2007, -20/+10How about underpowered, overpriced, little-to-no software support and little-to-no hardware support?
        • soopafly, on 10/11/2007, -6/+10You have no idea what you're talking about do you?
        • badjoke, on 10/11/2007, -3/+5Do some research.
        • r3zonance, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Were not talking about the Macintosh Classic anymore.
        • grieks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I use windoze and even I know you're wrong
    • carguy84, on 10/23/2007, -35/+114The worst thing about owning a Mac? Having to tell your parents you're gay.















      i kid i kid
      • damonic, on 10/15/2007, -26/+7I was gay when I used Windows. I switched to a Mac 15 years later.
        • lonnieh, on 10/15/2007, -6/+35now you are double gay
        • ukblacknight, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2So using a mac was like "coming out of the closet"
      • bmcnitt, on 10/12/2007, -5/+12whatever you say, cowboy.
      • infinity198, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4zoidberg rules !!
      • chadillak, on 10/18/2007, -0/+3This is a reference to a human giant skit. The original line was "The hardest part of rollerblading is having to tell your parents you're gay."
      • Keefo, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1Joo haz wun teh internetz!!!!!
      • Keefo, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1Joo haz wun teh internetz!!!!!
    • demodawid, on 10/23/2007, -6/+32I think this is relevant:
      http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=ma ...
      Everyone should give it a read... haha.
      • reubencm, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1yea thats a much better article, this one is bland and boring. its not even funny.
    • marcomx, on 10/11/2007, -25/+4Why the hell do we have to see these ***** opinion from Joe Shmo everyday on digg. Who really gives a *****. This kind of stuff is drawing attention from more important stories
      • ChoadNamath, on 10/11/2007, -1/+19I know, how many baseless Apple rumors are we missing right now?!
        • mrFREEZE, on 10/11/2007, -0/+8I heard the new ipods make your penis one inch bigger for every 1000 songs you add.
    • hunchback, on 10/11/2007, -19/+4dudes, that article is totally from a Windows user angle man. ET writes mostly about what? Machines for Windows! Not that there are not a lot of jerkoff Mac fanboys who are smug assholes, but I doubt this will bring those assholes down any notch. They will most likely go "jizz writings on ExtremeWHAT.com?!?!"
    • GruntboyX, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4I couldnt have said it better myself
      • reubencm, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2you must be retarted then because his writing style was plain and boring-nothing to write home about.
    • 1b2a, on 10/11/2007, -12/+14For every annoying Mac fanboy comment I read, I put off buying a Mac for 2 years. Those who feel the same as I do should follow suit.

      For every vegetarian meal you eat, I eat two steaks.
      • ophello, on 10/11/2007, -8/+3thats just dumb.
      • ucg1, on 10/11/2007, -3/+11"For every vegetarian meal you eat, I eat two steaks."

        Well then, you must be a lard ass.
      • infinity198, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2i am also a "lard ass"
      • hunchback, on 10/11/2007, -8/+4What about, for every girl I date, you suck a ***** *****?
    • joefreeza, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I am a mac fan and I approve of this message.
    • Sven333, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Macs may integrate some behavior from other platforms, but your post integrates some behavior from Chef Gordon Ramsey. Just get out of Hell's Kitchen.
    • Twoodge, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Other bad things:
      The prices in the UK (and most everywhere else but the USA). Ridiculously overpriced here.
      The number of ports - really is quite pathetic on both the Mac desktops and laptops, excluding the Mac Pro.
      The port placements on the laptops - I have my laptop sitting at my desk 80% of the time. I wouldn't want to ruin the Mac aesthetic by having a bunch of wires trailing out of the side. At least put the power and a couple of USBs at the back.

      Argh.
      • ald4ngo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1The old PowerBooks were way better about this. I agree, it is annoying.
      • rebotfc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2I must disagree ports at the back are such a pain, who wants to turn their entire laptop 180 ( which is probably connected to other things to plug something in.
    • rebotfc, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2I agree with him about mac fans but this article says nothing at all about Macs or OS X.
    • theoallardyce, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Have to say I agree, Apple is great but people worshiping Jobs and whatever comes out of his pocket is a testament to how much they 'dont' get it.
    • MrViklund, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1Your comment has been Dugg down because of nonsense.
  • timusca, on 10/29/2007, -212/+379While I consider myself to be part of "The Cult" (I have an Apple tattoo), this guy does make some good points... even I have been guilty of some of those things. However, don't MS fans do the exact same things? When the Zune came out, they were all about trashing the iPod and saying the Zune was going to conquer all. It's really no different... and worse, 99% of the Windows users out there that trash the Mac OS, have never even used it for more than 5 minutes. At least the mouth-foaming Apple fanatics have used Windows plenty of times...

    Face it, no matter what side people are on, the vocal bunch from all sides are annoying. This article is also very typical and hypocritical... he says Apple users are annoying because they whine about competitors non-stop, but he whines about Apple users just as much. What kind of person dislikes a computer because of other people using the same type? It sounds lame as hell, really. Just pick a computer that you prefer, and leave it at that... personally, it just doesn't make sense to choose something else just because the people that choose the same thing are annoying. I call it "the emo rule".
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -66/+70You nailed it, timusca. Personally I find the Mac user community to be a very friendly, helpful bunch. Not typically smug at all - until you bring up Windows. But as you point out, many of us resent Windows because we actually have to *use it.* I personally hate Windows and the majority of swill Microsoft pumps out, but I feel justified in my gripes because I use Windows and Microsoft software 40+ hours a week. In other words, I know full well of which I speak.

      Compare and contrast to rabid WinBots who trash Macs and Mac users at every opportunity (often throwing out juvenile taunts such as mentioning "Steve Jobs" and "blow job" in the same sentence, or lumping all Mac users into a particular sexual orientation) but likely have little, if any, personal experience with Macs. Spend 10 minutes in the comments on any Apple digg and the truth is painfully obvious - most Mac haters have absolutely nothing intelligent to say.

      Smug is annoying, but smug + ignorant is much, much more so. So if the worst thing about Macs is its user base, well, I'll take that as a compliment.
      • chugger1992, on 10/18/2007, -39/+7"Windoze" "Winblows"
      • Bleeblaow, on 10/23/2007, -10/+33So you are saying that Apple users are only smug and not "smug + ignorant." I don't see how you can say that. The writer of the article used the Zune as an example. It is doubtful that any of the Apple users who bash the Zune have any experience with the device. That would qualify them as ignorant.

        Obviously, it completely depends on what user is placing what insults on what products, but it is ENTIRELY possible that many of the fanboy-esque statements thrown about from Apple users are just as ignorant as those of Windows users.

        It's amusing when I see an article about a Zune and the cookie-cutter, "All x people who own a Zune blah blah blah," in which x is some single-digit whole number. What a pointless statement to ever make. As a Zune-owner (and not even a big Microsoft fan, I use Linux as my primary OS), I must say that it is ignorant of anyone to make such a remark. It's doubtful that any of these people have ever used a Zune. And I would say such smug comments are guided entirely by ignorance.

        Look around for articles on the Zune and I guarantee such a comment can be found in more than half of them.
        • alex7575, on 10/11/2007, -4/+3This also makes my point, the Linux community hates Microsoft, but how is it that you'll find a Linux user and aWindows user agreing on something?

          About how annoying Mac fans are.

          I don't hate Apple, I DO think their products ARE superior (with the price to prove it). I own an iPhone which is the best gadget i've ever owned. But to go out of your way telling people to "Think Different", and then turning around and doing everything all companies that "Think The Same" do.

          "Think Hypocrisy"
      • alex7575, on 10/11/2007, -6/+16So I'm a Winbot for using Windows, and you're a Mac user for using a Mac, and you call yourself "not smug at all"?

        "(often throwing out juvenile taunts such as mentioning "Steve Jobs" and "blow job" in the same sentence, or lumping all Mac users into a particular sexual orientation)"

        Oh no.. not the Apple community. They respect Bill Gates, and don't call him the anti christ (among hundreds of others).

        "most Mac haters have absolutely nothing intelligent to say"

        You just confirmed what the article has to say.
        • pilot3033, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Winbots and Mac Fanboys would be on the same level. Not all Windows users are fanboys, and neither are all mac users, and the point is that judging something based on how the people who use are perceived to act is both ignorant and besides the point.
        • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5"rabid WinBots who trash Macs and Mac users at every opportunity" - note there's no implication in my comment that all Windows users are "WinBots"

          "They respect Bill Gates, and don't call him the anti christ (among hundreds of others)." - I think Bill Gates is a weasel with no original ideas, but come on, how many Digg comments do you read about "Windows fanboys fellating Bill Gates?" Very few. Sorry, there's absolutely no comparison to the juvenile bile you hear spewed about Steve Jobs on these boards. Not that I expect much - the quality of commentary on Digg has taken a major nosedive over the past 6 months or so.

          "You just confirmed what the article has to say."

          Spend time reading the comments on any Apple Digg and you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. Windows users on these boards are epic trash talkers. Yet Mac users are called "smug." Whatever.
          • alex7575, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"rabid WinBots who trash Macs and Mac users at every opportunity" - note there's no implication in my comment that all Windows users are "WinBots"

            "Windows users on these boards are epic trash talkers. Yet Mac users are called "smug." Whatever."

            Next...
    • Snooper1989, on 10/11/2007, -10/+10You bring up a funny point, however I think there's a difference. Most of the people who bag Apple and use Windows bitch even more about Windows when the time comes around. I myself am guilty of it in the past, however... I do actually use Macs for school, I'm doing a sound edition and music creation course. So there are legitimate reasons i'll bag out Macs.

      ... Though I can't actually include myself in the hardcore Microsoft cultists, all I could see in the Zune before it launched were flaws...
      • Bleeblaow, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6And that's what you saw.

        Personally, I hate Windows (and therefore use Linux), but I love the Zune. Different strokes...
      • ucg1, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4What it all amounts to is that all desktop OS's pretty much suck. They have their advantages, though. Linux has the right philosophy, OS X is the most cohesive and consistent, and Windows has the most software available for it.
        • thewfirestarter, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Which is funny. When the best merit of your OS is 3rd party software being written for it, not something actually positive about the OS, it pretty much sums things up.
          • ucg1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1True that. Unfortunately we're sometimes forced to use an inferior OS simply because of the software that runs on it.
    • epalla, on 10/16/2007, -11/+133I'm having a hard time wording this...

      I don't think there are vocal Microsoft fans. At least, not even close to the degree of 'fanship' that Apple fans have. I bet there are more people with Apple tattoos than Microsoft tattoos, for example. And there are a lot more Windows users than Apple users. At least, I've never encountered the 'annoying vocal' side from Microsoft, but I've seen it everywhere from Apple.
      • superkendall, on 10/11/2007, -30/+4Paul Thurrott's WinSuperSite.com. I rest my case.
        • modix, on 10/23/2007, -1/+24Lifetime windows user... never heard of it. But I could list of 4-5 Mac fansites just from reading digg regularly
      • Alfdog, on 10/11/2007, -4/+21You haven't read his site or listened to any of his podcasts on TWIT, I rest my case. He is openly critical of Microsoft all the time, he owns and uses a mac laptop.
        • alex7575, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6If you're answering to epalla, you're missing his point, he's not saying that he hasn't met a person critical of Microsoft, he's saying that it's much easier to find an Apple fan, than a Microsoft fan.
      • Alfdog, on 10/11/2007, -9/+4You haven't read his site or listened to any of his podcasts on TWIT, I rest my case. He is openly critical of Microsoft all the time, he owns and uses a mac laptop.
      • ThreeDee912, on 10/11/2007, -11/+4"WTF All macs suck and steve jobs just wants to rip you of and take all of your money and brick your iphone! ***** Apple and their overpriced hardware that you can't play games on because OS X is locked to only mac hardware"
        /sarcasm

        You haven't read something like that on Digg before?
      • Jawsh91, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1You don't think there are vocal Microsoft fans?

        Read the rest of the comments on here.
        • limpits, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4just because you criticize apple doesnt make you a microsoft fan.

          taken from above: "99% of the Windows users out there that trash the Mac OS, have never even used it for more than 5 minutes." that is true, a lot of windows users that bash mac havn't used Mac OS but not nearly close to 99% and just because they bash apple doesnt mean that they love windows. most windows users bash windows

          the difference between apple and microsoft is that people criticize microsoft and microsoft takes that and sometimes adjusts their software to what the public wants while very few criticize apple and they make whatever adjustments they think people will like. so in the end microsoft users think that the updates and improvements were required and should have come earlier while apple users take it as a gift and a blessing when things get updated
    • davidrools, on 11/04/2007, -18/+300why in the world would you get an apple tattoo?
      • JonestownTea, on 10/11/2007, -3/+27He is getting paid for product placement.
      • mbthompson, on 10/11/2007, -3/+9Because you have the repugnant mentality of Kevin Rose that says Apple=infallible.
      • logic, on 10/11/2007, -12/+2Whether you like their products or not, you gotta admit it's a pretty cool logo that translates well to a tattoo.
        • stuartcow, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9how the hell does it 'translate well' into a tattoo?? all it says is 'i'm an apple whore'
        • natenovs, on 10/16/2007, -2/+1i think the logo is kind of sick. considering its making light of a man who committed suicide because he was being ostracized for being gay.
    • Nidy1, on 10/11/2007, -8/+77If you're serious...did you get paid or something to get an Apple tattoo? I mean...jeez.
      • cojerk, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Makes me wonder if the poster also has a Pepsi logo tattoo or a GoldenPalace.com tattoo.
    • blueeyedmonster, on 11/04/2007, -10/+150Sorry, I can't get past the part of your post where you said you have an Apple tattoo?????? Please tell me it's supposed to be ironic? A statement about consumerism and the power of brand iconography?

      Or are you just THAT much of a fan boy??? What motivated it? Please, do tell.
      • kaffiene, on 10/11/2007, -3/+14Yup, just THAT much of his post made we want to puke.
      • dunnylovehun, on 10/23/2007, -0/+46...and sometimes the cattle brand themselves for you.
        • mbthompson, on 10/11/2007, -1/+12Oh, that was profound. Sooo dugg.
        • heppareppana, on 10/11/2007, -5/+1no your analogy is wrong. Cattle cant choose to who they brand themselves for. This is a case where cattle looks for its owner, then when they've found the right one, they will brand themselves for the love of that owner.
    • yournightmare, on 10/11/2007, -11/+35"This article is also very typical and hypocritical... he says Apple users are annoying because they whine about competitors non-stop, but he whines about Apple users just as much."

      --Well, by that logic, nobody could ever complain about how much somebody complains. Also, that's not hypocritical behavior, because the author isn't pretending to be what he's not or believe something he doesn't.
      • idiotech, on 10/11/2007, -7/+7Um, no.

        He meant, it's hypocritical do dislike a computer type because the type of people that use them whine about opposing computer brands. Pretty sure that's hyporitical. Pretty sure he's pretending not to be a whiner, yet he is.

        "What kind of person dislikes a computer because of other people using the same type? It sounds lame as hell, really. Just pick a computer that you prefer, and leave it at that."

        That's the truth. You can be critical about the features and functions, because that actually has a purpose.
    • bethehammer, on 10/23/2007, -15/+62An apple tattoo? WTF!! How much of a tool are you? Seriously, the only cool brand name tattoo would be a Harley-Davidson emblem and that tattoo will ensure you never get a high paying job.
      • surfing, on 10/11/2007, -3/+13Harley-Davidson emblem isn't cool. They have sold out. If you go to Target, you can get a Harley-Davidson branded anything.
        • MicrosoftBob, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6The Virgin Mary on your entire back is the only tattoo worth getting.
        • mbthompson, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1No no, a self portrait!
      • rdoger6424, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I got a walmart tattoo because I'm a rebel against the corporation
        • rdoger6424, on 10/11/2007, -3/+2pretend that this is a reply to the comment below
      • grieks, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I liked your comment up until you said a Harley-Davidson tattoo would be cool.

        That's a tool if I ever saw one.
    • truegodofwar, on 10/11/2007, -7/+80While I consider myself to be part of "The Cult" (I have an Apple tattoo),...blah...blah...blah Wait WHAT!! you got an apple tatoo! WTF?? Pics or you don't.
    • bstew22, on 10/23/2007, -8/+79you lost me at "i have an apple tattoo"
      • iziizi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4here here' - ***** me that is sad to the 10th degree.
    • widman, on 10/12/2007, -5/+41Both Apple and Microsoft fanboys are idiots.

      Go Linux fanboys!
      (naaaah, just joking.)

      And I second, oh, I third the question about why did you tattoo a brand in your skin.
    • canha, on 10/14/2007, -10/+100Microsoft has fanboys?
      • H0tKarl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+41We prefer to be called fanmen.
        • wageslaven, on 10/12/2007, -5/+20We prefer to be called Computer Professionals.
        • andywebb95, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9Yes but do you have a Microsoft tattoo?
        • mbthompson, on 10/18/2007, -1/+5Oooh burn!
        • sirhomer, on 10/14/2007, -6/+1Real men use Linux.
        • mrFREEZE, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10Linux is for programmers and pedophiles.
          • sirhomer, on 10/11/2007, -10/+1Linux is for people who value freedom. Windows and Mac OS X is people who value fascism. Sheep.
          • petewiz, on 10/14/2007, -0/+3You caught me sirhomer. I was going to use Linux, but then I remembered I hated freedom. You were spot on about loving fascism, I just can't get enough of it. That is without a doubt the main reason I use Windows.
      • RobotChicken1, on 03/07/2008, -1/+2I am a Microsoft fanboy.
    • Bleeblaow, on 10/11/2007, -13/+3replied to the wrong guy, digg me up scotty
    • ZenMojo, on 10/11/2007, -5/+19Microsoft doesn't breed a culture of fandom because it's unnecessary. They're ubiquitous. Now, if you simply look at the Xbox the last two generations and watch their respective fanbases, you'll see that Microsoft is capable of that same indoctrination but, for the most part, it's a MARKET TACTIC. It's branding. By creating a consumer culture around their products, they can fight competition more fiercely.
      • rotundo, on 10/11/2007, -6/+4I'd argue that they don't breed a culture because there's nothing inspiring about their products. That doesn't mean they're bad necessarily, just that they don't feel special. It would be like geting all fanboy about white bread.

        I agree that there are a lot of annoying mac users... but as more people come over the ratio gets better and better :)
        • proton, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6Well the fanboys have ensured that I'll never be going over. I prefer Ubuntu but I use Windows mostly because I like to game and *gasp* the audio apps for sale out there. I thought of going Mac - the laptops are nice. But forget about it. Talk about monoculture...
        • thewfirestarter, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Internet flamewars are affecting your purchasing decisions. These are people who largely have no credentials and you've never met. How malleable are you?
      • tengutech, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2@ZenMojo - I was trying to work out how to say the same thing, but I think you comment puts it well. There needs to be less hard core fanboys because it Windows is everywhere, so people just use it without thinking.
    • zzzpoohzzz, on 10/11/2007, -15/+5i like how no one can get past the apple tattoo part... he said much more than that he has a tattoo if you guys didn't notice ;)

      and also... i want to know who said that the zune will conquer all... whoever said that deserves a slap in the face... maybe 2
      • staxofmax, on 10/11/2007, -2/+21If Abraham Lincoln had opened the Gettysburg Address by stating that he has five nipples, I think the message of the speech would be greatly diminished.
    • tracydanger, on 10/11/2007, -1/+23This competition is like sports for geeks. You could replace Apple and Microsoft with the Browns and Steelers in that article and it'd just about make sense (I'm, sadly, a Browns fan, thus the particular reference). You always side with the home team even when it's totally illogical. Same phenomenon, different content.
      • bjeanes, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1never thought of it that way but it's true. nice.
    • heathuff23, on 10/11/2007, -15/+10you have an apple tattoo??!? WTF?!?! you CANNOT be serious! Lemme guess, you caught your male partner playing hide the hamster with another male counterpart and you felt this would boost your cred? WTF?!?! an apple tattoo!! WOW!!
    • redfox2600, on 10/11/2007, -1/+16You missed the point where he stated he was a mac user, and I too as an Apple/Linux user hate apple fan boys for their elitist views. Come on Apples crash too it call the beach ball of death.
      • djsim, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7The spinning beachball, or "spinning wait cursor", as it's actually called, isn't necessarily a "crash". It comes up whenever an application isn't responding. When Macs crash they get a "kernel panic".
        • pyrates, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6If it spins for 10+ minutes, wouldn't any user do a hard reset of the computer? And to them that would be a crash or as I call it a freeze.
        • civdis24, on 10/11/2007, -4/+5if you get the spinning ball of death, all you have to do is switch apps, and force quit. done.
          • MacParrot, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2Force-quit won't always even come up on the screen on a system freeze. It happened to me several times under 10.3 (not yet on 10.4)
    • inspireology, on 10/11/2007, -0/+15But... But... Even Steve Jobs does not have an Apple tattoo!
    • michaelmit, on 10/11/2007, -2/+9well...I remember a while ago on Digg there was a pic of a guy with a Zune tattoo.
    • daizaru, on 10/11/2007, -10/+1What kind of people hate computers because others are using it? "Think Different"... Part of Apple's ad campaign has always been it's been it's status symbol appeal and that it's separating yourself from those "Microsoft people". Of course it has it's merits but that status symbol element will always be a big thing for them. (like gold plating > new features like games)

      Zune is unknown, it could suck and maybe it won't. Ipods at least people have used them and report what they find are flaws. I'm an Ipod user and I wouldn't mind some competition in the market to get apple to maybe make some improvements. That was his complaint.

      The difference between his complaints is he's being objective. He's not defending Microsoft at all and making an observation about mac fans and the mentality of some. I've never seen a Microsoft fan talk like that, but I barely meet anyeone who loves microsoft that much either.

      I've got to admit, I think macs are cool but I'll probably never own one. Their ad campaigns offend me and I really look at mac users and wonder "Is he one of those stuffy mac geeks, will people look at me and think that?". I know it's silly but it does matter to me.
      • idiotech, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2"Think Different" wasn't about getting away from Microsoft users, lol

        It was about thinking differently, looking beyond the "standard" personal computer/operating system so people actually would consider/compare other options!
      • wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -4/+4I dont buy Apple not because the users are annoying and ignorant (they are), but because I know there is no COMPELLING reason to do so.

        I know that OSX is FreeBSD. I know that Firewire is a $5 IEE1394 PCI card. I do this for a living, I dont need white plastic enclosures and "personal testimonials" to run Oracle.
    • Genma, on 10/11/2007, -3/+6to me they fall under 3 categories: 1. they have no idea wtf is going on. 2. they choose apple for very specific reasons, no matter how logical or unfounded they may be. 3. #1 posing as #2. apple zealotry is worse because they feel for some reason they have to justify the choice of a proprietary platform of limited use, and ms fanboys just flame because they can. the rest are pointless and irrelevant since there are so many other products that are just as good if not better.
    • klick37, on 10/11/2007, -10/+4That's incorrect. 99% of windows users don't trash Macs. 50% of windows users are old Jewish women in Florida who don't know what Macs are.
    • NeonElixir, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3I have 2 Macs. I love them. Apple does do a lot of things wrong and I don't think Steve Jobs is a god.

      Also, more related to the comment I'm replying to. I had a roommate who told me Macs sucked and made fun of mine. I'd always ask him why, eventually he admitted that he hadn't really used them but he had heard things. I thought it was pretty poor. People.
    • SoundScape, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7I have no preference of OS. I use a Mac, Win XP and Win Vista computers all evenly. That's my Mac Mini for my entire music collection, personal email and a good portion of web browsing. Vista for gaming. XP at work (I'm an IT professional).
      From my perspective, the most embarrassing group to be associated with are the hardcore Mac fans. They are so ridiculously smug and arrogant I actually pity them. Get over yourselves, please.
    • sirhomer, on 10/11/2007, -8/+2Oh there are plenty of Microsoft fanboys, you just got to know where to look for them.

      Btw, I am a proud Linux fanboy. The reason is Linux represents freedom. Freedom to do whatever the ***** I want with my computer and my life. Yes, I am a fanboy of that mentality. Deal with it.
    • newyawker, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4Please tell me you are joking and you didn't really get an apple tattoo. PLEASE.
    • viper565, on 10/11/2007, -6/+1Ok, so you're saying that the Microsoft "fan community" is as whiny and bitchy as Mac users? ok.
      Also, every single person who has used Windows has used a Mac well more than 5 minutes.
    • antitab, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Could we get some pics of the tat? I'm thinking about getting a ⌘ on my wrist, mostly to pimp my future blog at command-q.org. But to avoid looking nerdy, I can always play the "place of interest" card.
    • buggu, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3I don't remember many MS fanboys praising Zune. I do remember it being compared to iPod at every turn, and this tone was adopted by many reviewers.

      I don't really care about the fanbase of a product, I'm more concerned with the product itself. But the Mac is an exception. There's no exaggeration in saying that many Mac users are seriously proud of being Mac owners, like they belong to some "exclusive" club. That wouldn't be bad in so much as their ignorance is downright grating on the nerves. I don't know many Windows fanboys parading their OS of choice around forums and internet sites, they don't really care and are defensive only because of the criticism it so widely receives. But Mac users are in a world of their own. Mac is the epitome of originality, MS has the photocopiers always running. They turn a blind eye to everything OSX has ripped off but make a ruckus over MS copying something. Hell, Jobs devotes entire segments to how MS copied their stuff - the worst part is that the Mac crowd buys into it so easily - believing that their OS of choice is a valuable and unique part of their lives.

      They need to wake up.
    • Dysarthria, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The point you have obviously missed is that consumers should not cheer for only one company, competition drives innovation.
    • darnit, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1Can anyone photoshop this for Interpol?
      http://digg.com/users/timusca/gallery/3416294/p.jp ...
    • chris9902, on 10/11/2007, -1/+7you have an Apple tat? what a ***** loser.
    • iziizi, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I am also one of the people in this thread wondering if you have an apple tattoo. Because if you do that is possibly the lamest saddest thing i have heard this year. I bet you get all the Apple fan-girls with that.

    • timusca, on 10/11/2007, -3/+1Yes, I have an Apple tattoo... I've had it for awhile. What the hell is the big deal? How is a company that I consider to be inspiring any different than any other tattoo? You can't possibly tell me about any other tattoo that is any different or better than what I have... its just a tattoo. You can call me lame, sad, whatever... I really don't care. The fact that any of you would consider someone a "loser" for getting ANY tattoo is beyond retarded... I guess everyone should just do whatever YOU think is cool from now.

      At least I have the comfort of knowing I'm getting laid on a daily basis by my pregnant wife while you're fapping all day in your mom's basement on HER computer.

      Get a life, seriously.
      • handsoffme, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3I suggest you read your own comment history and think about the way you choose to act.

        'The fact that any of you would consider someone a "loser" for getting ANY tattoo is beyond retarded... I guess everyone should just do whatever YOU think is cool from now.'

        Hm, what did you say about the Zune tattoo guy again???
      • electricmba, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2You're getting laid daily by your "pregnant wife"? What a mental image - just mind the baby's head son.

        You're welcome to your Apple tattoo - to each his own. That said, I personally think that branding oneself with the logo of a corporation, or being a "rabid" fan or cult member of any sort of corporation is just plain odd. Enjoying a company's products and ideas is one thing - but if you aren't on their payroll, why be a walking billboard for their logo or spend countless hours blogging/commenting about their superiority?
    • sgglynn, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2"However, don't MS fans do the exact same things"

      Come on, there aren't any Microsoft fans, get real. We are just NOT apple fans. We bitch just as much when Microsoft does something stupid too, it's called being objective. I've used Macs, i've used PC's. I stick with PCs because I like to cheaply be able to upgrade my PC as much as I want, and I like using as much open source software as I can.
      Apple can do whatever the ***** they want, if people want to buy their products, more power to them. But i'm still going to laugh when you bitch that your device is 'locked down' Why? Because if it's apple, you should know the device is going to be locked down, they always have. That's why I moved away from them
    • allseeingalmond, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1WARNING: THIS THREAD IS MADE OF SERIOUS BUSINESS. (must be said if not already)

      Totally agree with timusca. Almost EVERYTHING has fanboys, and typical fanboy mentality is 'X' rules and 'Y' sucks (to varying degrees). The problem with this article seems that it's no different. Most notable is the way he does things like refer to 'other companies' as Microsoft, Microsoft and Microsoft or how he loves his MacBook that he's running Windows on to use the Windows versions of Mac applications (wtf? tell me i read that wrong.) It's just another identity war, and the author just want's some cheese for his whine ;)
    • MrViklund, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1Spot ON!
      Well said! The Apple haters have no idea how wrong they are. Instead of hating the Apple lovers, embrace your own companies or leave the Apple foks be.
    • MightyGiant, on 10/13/2007, -0/+1Let's just sum it up and say ***** fan-boys.
  • Zgradis, on 10/12/2007, -47/+100I love how all my mac friends say "well do you have widgets?" "My mac can tell me the temperature and sing me songs with my widgets..." Then I just ask them was apple the first company to put out widgets? They always seem to think apple created widgets, I laugh and show them konfabulator...

    But I will agree there are PC fan-boys, and linux fan-boys as well... Every OS will have its lovers and haters, but please get over yourself no one cares if you like one OS or another and claiming one OS is better then another is a fight you can't win because its simply based on the end user (plus really the only people who care that much about how great an OS is, are the people who already like the OS)... Just use whats right for you. And next time some one says "that OS sucks" tell them to give you a reason why... Most of em can't and that usually shuts them up.
    • chugger1992, on 10/11/2007, -33/+7because I get the BSOD every 2 seconds!!!! DUHH!!!!! ROFL WINDOZE
      • Zgradis, on 10/11/2007, -1/+10Well stop downloading all that gay porn...
    • cmiller1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+28and I'll boot up my SE/30 and open up the calculator, puzzle, etc. desktop accessories for you ;)
      • yonis, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Then why did Apple base Dashboard's widgets off of web technologies like what Konfabulator used and call them widgets instead of desk accessories?

        You guys are in some serious denial.
        • thewfirestarter, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Ease of development. Sure, konfab did it too/first, but the decision to use web elements probably would have been made regardless. It allows people with limited programming knowledge to make things work. Creating GUIs can get tricky fast.
        • smhill, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Using the web layer is a natural and logical choice. Konfab utilized these technologies that Apple exposed.

          Apple could have handled it a better from a pr standpoint, but not all that many people really know about it. And it wasn't really a 'rip-off' of konfab. Widgets have been around in one form or another for a long time, from small apps that run on desktop to web and application widgets. It is an idea that has been around.

          What strikes me as funny is that the AntiFanboiFanbois love to bitch about this one constantly, but what about MS? While they didn't rip it off any more than Apple did, they were sure late to the party.
    • ajb2015, on 10/11/2007, -11/+19i used konfabulator with my windows machine before i got a mac. i thought it was cool, but i eventually had to uninstall because it was such a hog (i was running a fairly above average gaming machine for the day). my mac on the other hand doesn't even blink when it kicks up dashboard. i know apple didn't invent everything, but they do an amazing job of making everything run seamlessly and efficiently.
      • modix, on 10/11/2007, -4/+11You probably had an older PC running Konfabulator and a new Mac running Dashboard. Software is nearly identical, so hardware is the issue. My 2.4 Ghz C2D with 4gb of ram doesn't flinch on Gadgets as well, not that that's anything to be proud of...
        • iofthestorm, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Lol... well it's true tho, my 4ish year old computer doesn't flinch with Konfabulator/Yahoo widgets either. And that's a 4ish year old bottom of the line (quite literally, the cheapest piece of ***** at the store) computer.
    • zwilliams, on 10/25/2007, -27/+36"I laugh and show them konfabulator... "

      Then we show you Desk Accessories which Apple created back in 84'. Oh shi-- what is that? Konfabulator is not the original? Maybe you should actually devel a bit deeper into software history instead of just regurgitating those fallacies.

      http://daringfireball.net/2004/06/dashboard_vs_kon ...
      http://daringfireball.net/2004/07/konfab_confab
      • soopafly, on 10/11/2007, -6/+7More info on Desk Accessory
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desk_Accessory
      • russelbutt, on 10/11/2007, -6/+12you sir, are the example for this article..
      • pyrates, on 10/11/2007, -0/+5Go read http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/ ...

        I've also noticed that this article keeps being taken out of wikipedia on the dashboard write up. I wonder why :)
      • buggu, on 10/25/2007, -3/+5If you're going to stretch the definition of widgets to include Desk Accessory, you might as well call everything in computer innovation besides a few exceptions after the XEROX gui development as part of an evolutionary design.

        Besides, there are many more examples of OSX ripping off others. Index searching was shown by MS first, Apple only rushed its inclusion in Tiger. That plus Spaces, Time Machine (an extension of System Restore), the Leopard dock is entirely ripped off from Looking Glass Project by SUN etc.
        • beerbarron, on 10/11/2007, -2/+2Dude do your homework, no one is ripping anyone off. Dock is based upon the Acorn doc, Indexing was brought out in windows 2000, but I am sure windows 2000 wasnt the first OS to introduce it, Time Machine is actually based up the already featured .mac application backup, System Restore doesn't restore files anyway (and certainly is very pointless, vista does a good backup job I understand) and certainly does not resemble the look and feel of time machine. Since apple were the first major company to produce a GUI for the market, you could say all other companies are ripping apple off! To be honest it doesnt matter who implements what, as long as the system works (take heed vista) that's all that matters.
        • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1What the ***** are you smoking? Apple had indexed searching (albeit rough) in OS 9! Nobody is saying that Apple came up with spaces. VD was inevitable in OS X. How is Time Machine ripping anyone off? I don't recall seeing anything that does backups like Time Machine (incremental, easily searched backups where any date/file change can be recovered in a very simple manner), so if there is one, please point it out. Apple has been doing reflections and such in OS X for a while. It's hard to call an extension of that a ripoff.
    • moo083, on 10/11/2007, -8/+14Actually, I thought that Dashboard and widgets were made by Konfabulator originally too, but then I read an article talking about how on the original Mac OS, it was intended to be similar, and if you look at images with a word processor open it has calculator, and a few other "widgets" open too. Basically, it was supposed to emulate a desktop, so it has a calculator like on your desk, etc...

      So, Apple kinda came up with the idea, konfabulator (which was mac only at first) expanded on it and then Apple improved on it.
    • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1Hell, Dashboard was probably the best thing that happened to Konfabulator. When Apple did it and brought up widgets, it also gave Konfabulator more press time. Then they were bought by Yahoo, making some people a pretty penny.
    • jshabad00, on 10/25/2007, -3/+11My favorite is the "SuperDrive"... "I'm getting a 'SuperDrive' for only $150 more!!!", they say... oh yeah? I'm putting a DVD burner into my custom PC for $30 I say... "You can do that???"... :sigh:
      • abagchee, on 10/11/2007, -6/+2You seem quite well informed 8-| I upgraded the "Superdrive" on my PowerMac G5 to a LaserScribe Dual Layer DVD Burner for $45. Get your facts straight before blabbering.
        • Zgradis, on 10/25/2007, -1/+4How long ago, recently i assume? I bought a light scribe drive over a year ago for my pc and it only cost me $38 but that was just because newegg rocks! BTW who made light scribe? Thank you HP! You pay more for a "premium" product with mac components, just as you do with any named product if it has a brand value that is higher then other, yes some components maybe a bit better but it doesn't change what they do. Look at Toyota and Lexus, same base products with some minor changes if you think other wise you need to go to college and learn about marketing. You also pay for design of products, IE the mac book's are beautifully made (lite up keyboards and all).
    • colincornaby, on 10/11/2007, -4/+6...wasn't Konfabulator written for the Mac, and only ported to Windows later?
      • Zgradis, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4No
        • avihappy, on 10/11/2007, -1/+4Yahoo! Widgets was originally developed as Konfabulator, by a core development team consisting of Arlo Rose, Perry Clarke, and Ed Voas. Originally released on February 10, 2003 as a Mac OS X only application which cost US$24.95 (and later, with the release of version 2.0, US$19.95), its Windows version was released on November 8, 2004 with the release of version Konfabulator 1.8, and made freeware with the release of Konfabulator 2.1 on July 25, 2005, when it was sold to Yahoo!.

          -Wiki
    • sgglynn, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3"But I will agree there are PC fan-boys, and linux fan-boys as well"
      PC stands for "Personal Computer", it does NOT stand for anything that has to do with an Operating System. Specifically, not Microsoft like you apparently think. You can install linux on your PC, you can install Windows on your PC.
      It's a common misconception for an ignorant apple fan.
  • rdhaag, on 10/11/2007, -12/+53While I agree with what is said, I would have to say that this is true with just about anything. If you look at sports fans, car fans, even things such as mobile phone brands, each group of people will have it's fanatics that always think this way. I don't think Apple has the exclusive on these kinds of fans.
    • upsilonh24, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6That doesn't make it more endurable.
    • Phatt138, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6It's called cognitive dissonance. When you spend money and time on something, you almost HAVE to believe that you made the right choice.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_Dissonance
    • soliloquiet, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4spot on man, Red Sox fans are the biggest assholes in the world. This isnt exclusive to Macs at all.
      • rdoger6424, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3You ever seen an eagles fan?
        • soliloquiet, on 10/11/2007, -0/+2ha...being a Giants fan myself, you make a great point. It was a 50/50 call. i went with the most recent.
    • anchorman, on 10/13/2007, -0/+4Yeah.... I'm a HUGE fan of Kenmore microwave ovens. I don't know why... they just rock my world!
      • Mpulse, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1OMG!! NFW!! FAiLZMORE SUX!!! WESTINGHOUSE RULZ!!!

        Alright, that's enough. I can't type like that anymore. My brain hurts.
  • athloi, on 10/16/2007, -50/+76Apple fanboys have been like this since the 1980s. Windows fanboys aren't as bad, and while Linux people are very close, they're still not as smarmy and smug. Even Amiga users did not reach these heights of pretension. I think it's in all of our interests to have more sanity enter the debate
    • douggmc, on 10/11/2007, -28/+8"smarmy and smug"
      Uh ... smarmy means smug (and sleazy). Now ... go back to your lame Window's machine while I compute away happily on my Mac (while wearing a black turtleneck, jeans, and drinking a grande latte). Pfft.
      • IllBeBack, on 10/11/2007, -1/+5Congratulations with your caffeine addiction there, Sparky.
      • MutatedNantuko, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7It's funny because he's being smug.
    • Elranzer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+30Are you kidding? All the Amiga fanboys died--suffocated by their clouds of smug.
    • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/11/2007, -2/+4I've seen some smug, self-absorbed, militant Linux fanatics that the most fervent Apple fanboy couldn't match.
      • selkie, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3That's GNU/Linux... :tongue in cheek:
    • newbill123, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3Windows and Mac fanboys talk about those jaw dropping moments they saw using their computer. For Mac fans it's all about sleek looks, the way things just happen, and the things they didn't have to do. For Windows fans, it's about an amazing feature you can see by editing your autoexec.bat file, or installing PowerTools, or using an amazing set of keyboard shortcuts. Both groups think they're telling you how amazing it is to get work done with their tools (but in distinctly different ways). But for both groups, it's just different sides of the same time-wasting coin since I'm not being very productive if I'm listening to them.
  • Drgn547, on 10/23/2007, -22/+111To me, the worst thing about Macs right now is the gap in Apple's product line - right between the iMac and the Mac Pro. Give me a more affordable, lower-end version of the Mac Pro and I will once again be your fan, Apple.
    • gudnbluts, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6My main problem with them is similarish - a gap they don't fill. They need a low end notebook with a decent sized screen. Home computers are often used for surfing the net and watching videos - two things where screen size is important. I wanted a Mac, but to get the screen size I wanted (plus I needed XP with it too) I would have spent 3 times as much as a cheapo Compaq. Even if I lived with the smaller screen it would have cost me twice as much.
    • Spuy767, on 10/11/2007, -2/+11I don't hurt from that gap because I need every bit of 8 XEON cores, but I know exactly where you're coming from. What would be nice was a Mac GPU that didn't suck balls so i didn't have to shoehorn that goddamn 8800 into the mac and only have it work when I reboot into windows.
      • mrsteve007, on 10/11/2007, -5/+5Too bad you paid so much for all of those Xeon cores and OSX. . .
        http://www.digg.com/hardware/Dell_vs_Mac_Pro_Works ...
        • jonahan52, on 10/11/2007, -9/+3Two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon
          4GB (4 x 1GB)
          500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
          500GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
          NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB, Stereo 3D (2 x dual-link DVI)
          Apple Cinema HD Display (23″ flat panel)
          One 16x SuperDrive
          Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse - U.S. English
          Mac OS X - U.S. English
          Subtotal $7,702.00
          2x Quad Core Intel® Xeon® Processor X5365 (3.00GHz, 2 X 4MB L2,1333) [Included in Price]
          Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate, with Media [Included in Price]
          4GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC in Riser (4 DIMMS) [Included in Price]
          256MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX 3500, Dual DVI or Dual VGA or DVI + VGA [Included in Price]
          Dell Recommended for an enhanced Windows Vista experience
          C4 All SATA drives, RAID 0, 2 drive total configuration [Included in Price]
          2x 500GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 16MB DataBurst Cache™ [Included in Price]
          SATA/SAS Integrated Card - For Connecting Internal Hard Drives [Included in Price]
          16XDVD AND 16XDVD+/-RW, Roxio Creator™ for Vista Ultimate [Included in Price]
          No Floppy Drive [Included in Price]
          Dell 24 inch UltraSharp™ 2407FPW-HC Widescreen, adj stand, VGA/DVI [Included in Price]
          Keyboard
          Mouse
          $9,155
          So which is cheaper?

          Please STFU
        • thewfirestarter, on 10/11/2007, -1/+0Talk about lame ass dishonest blogspam...
        • Acolyte357, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I just built on for $6500 on newegg.com in about 5 min, if you really want me to I could prolly knock another $100 or so off. Ohh I used the Quadro FX5500, silly me there's another $1000 off...
          "
          So which is cheaper?

          Please STFU
          "
    • Scruffydan, on 10/11/2007, -2/+14agreed! I love the upgradability of a tower, but I don't need/can't afford a mac pro.

      I wont buy an iMac, (having to buy a new monitor evertyiem I upgrade my computer gets very pricey,) but I might buy a iMac level machine in a tower format.
      • RoamShell, on 10/25/2007, -1/+9"I wont buy an iMac, (having to buy a new monitor evertyiem I upgrade my computer gets very pricey,) but I might buy a iMac level machine in a tower format."

        Likewise. As a previous Mac fan (but not fanboy) the lack of customizability, stupidity of its fanboys, and general charging-you-more-because-you-think-you're-getting-better-hardware-even-though-you're-not style just drove me to make my own computer and run Windows XP and consider moving to ubuntu to avoid the pointless yip-yapping altogether. It is ironic for me to mention ubuntu though, considering their community is almost identical to the apple fanboys. Ah well, here's to hoping I don't end up like them.

        I'm a middle-end user. I don't want a computer where all I do is check my e-mail, browse digg and do inappropriate things at a low resolution with photoshop. I also don't want a computer used to render the universe. I want to be able to, if needed, improve my hardware according to my needs without having to buy an entirely new prebuilt one. Sometimes I catch myself struggling to inform someone about basic computer maintenance (i.e. If you need more space, get another hard drive, don't just buy a whole computer or replace the old drive) just because of my exasperation with people who will make all sorts of arrogant claims about their machine and because I don't use their setup I am somehow uninformed about hardware or operating systems.

        Get over it, all of you.
      • wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4" I love the upgradability of a tower, but I don't need/can't afford a mac pro'

        Then build yourself a PC and you get exactly what you want -- every time. No comprimise... and clearly, if money is an issue, stop flushing it on overpriced computers.
    • tucsonwc, on 10/11/2007, -23/+3Just get a mac mini and stop whining.
      • Gryffydd, on 10/11/2007, -1/+8And then upgrade the GPU? Add a couple of 500GB SATA drives in RAID1? Sure you could firewire the hard drives, but that is NOT the same thing, especially at 1394a.
      • modix, on 10/11/2007, -2/+12Um... we're the customer, we're not supposed to bow down to the manufacturer. This ridiculous reverence to Apple is part of what this article was about.
      • mfearby, on 10/11/2007, -1/+9"Just get a mac mini and stop whining."

        That statement ranks among the top 10 things that turn people away from Apple. The Mac Mini is the most under-spec'ed and over-priced sh*tbox on the market today (save for the cheapest of the cheap econo-PCs, which is not the right comparison). The Mac Mini just isn't going to win over the Wintel crowd used to their upgradeable mini towers. The Mac Pro is so expensive you've got to take out a second mortgage on your home just to afford it and the iMac is so expensive if you continue upgrading it every year or two and wasting the monitor.

        Until there is something between the iMac and the Mac Pro, I'll be sticking with old faithful home-built Intel tower. Stop suggesting that the Mac Mini is the answer to all problems and learn to admit that there is a gaping, big, hole in Apple's computer line-up!
    • longbow486, on 10/11/2007, -3/+7My main problem is the lack of hardware choise
      i could care less about an OS really, i care about what hardware im running more
    • longbow486, on 10/11/2007, -2/+0damn that was a first
      */ comment system fumucked up*/
    • groovchicken, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1That's basically the point I was trying to make in my recent post about how Apple is trying to drive us advanced users away:
      http://digg.com/apple/Apple_s_Requiem_A_Prosumer_s ...
      • pyrates, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1You sir got a digg from me. Hopefully it makes the front page.
    • ucg1, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Well I put down the money for a Mac Pro, and well, OS X runs dog slow even on hardware that I thought would be overkill. Granted, the bottleneck is mainly the hard drives. I bought a G4 Mac Mini when they first came out, and got stuck with a 4200rpm drive, and man, let me tell you, that thing was so slow it was almost unusable.

      It would be nicer if there were mid-level desktop, though.

      What I'd really like from Apple is a decent laptop that has trackpoint ("nub") style mouse and three buttons. ***** this one button ***** already. And the touchpad is a piece of *****. I'll probably never buy a Mac laptop (like Linux better than OS X anyway).
      • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If OS X is "dog slow" on a goddamn Mac Pro, you're either doing something wrong, expect way too much, or you've got some hardware problems.
        • ucg1, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1I was probably exaggerating a bit, and maybe my expectations are high. The Mac Mini was "dog slow", I shouldn't used that phrase for the Mac Pro however. My Mac Pro (with 5GB of RAM) running OS X was not as fast as I'd expect, but that is probably more the apps I use. But when I boot into Ubuntu 64-bit it feels incredibly fast compared to OS X.
    • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1Hear hear! I'd love to see a mid-range Apple tower!
    • rossnyc, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1How bout save up a few extra bucks and quit whining? Surely you make enough money to be able to afford a nice mac.
    • wabbitman1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is absolutely 100% true. Apple has had a gap in its product line for the last few years. The Mac mini is underpowered and overpriced. If the Mini had better specs, it would lessen the gap, but currently you can get a PC with comparable or better specs for about half the price of a Mac mini.
  • bluenullity, on 10/11/2007, -10/+70It all depends on the community, I stopped reading Engadget and Gizmodo comments long ago when the iPhone was surfacing. I just couldn't stand to read the back and forth between the readers of either sites. I am glad I had built up my ignor-o-beam to filter out Fanboyism, RonPaulism, and Tinfoilism.
    • mrjit, on 10/11/2007, -2/+6I read Engadget for about 3 weeks and that was all it took for me to realize how bias and crappy the site is.
      • soliloquiet, on 10/13/2007, -3/+4oh absolutely. So you must have bycotted your favorite newspaper and television as a whole because they may have mentioned the iphone hype ad nauseum as well.

        idiot
    • MagicCake, on 10/11/2007, -0/+6I stood by Engadget for a long time while others called them biased and whatnot. It never seemed that way to me....until one day they posted one of those "How would you improve ______?" things. It was for Vista, and it was two or three paragraphs of blatant anger, with a hint of Apple fanboy. I had seen them say opinionated things before, but this was way over the top. I stopped going there after seeing that. (And for the record, I would have looked down on what they did no matter what the subject was.)
    • dimsum05, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1I actually like reading the comments! It's so ridiculous how close-minded some people can be towards technology. As much as I love Apple, Sony, MS, Nokia, etc, I could not stand on just one camp. That's not what the tech world is about. There is always room for improvement...

      ... and after all of this, I still cannot understand why companies like Microsoft and a whole community of users can release operating systems that can work with 99% of the hardware out there, but Apple cannot release their "superior" operating system in the same way.

      I want to run OS X, but not on a MacBook that I can't afford.
  • dukeeeey, on 10/13/2007, -34/+25i love the fact apple has been claiming its processors were faster than x86 intel/amd processors for YEARS. And all the mac users were like but but but faster than pc. Now they use intel x86 processors. Very funny ...

    • cmiller1, on 10/11/2007, -17/+20The powerPC processors used in macs WERE faster than the competing x86 offerings for many years
      • wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -1/+6At no point in time has the PowerPC CPU out-performed the x86 CPU.

        There is more to CPU technology than the clockspeed... sheesh. Youre an example of the kind of technological myopia this article is talking about.
        • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Bull. *****. Clock for clock, the PowerPC has been faster for a long time. G3? Beat the PII. Not by as wide a margin as Apple liked to claim, but it was faster. Later variants edged out the P3. The G4 stomped it, even in unoptimized tasks. It also pounded the P4 clock for clock, as did the G5. Apple switched right around the time Intel got their head out of their ass and made processors that focused on more than just clock speed.
        • idiotwithastick, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2does clock for clock even matter? a 100 mhz processor might be faster than a 5 ghz processor clock for clock, but I'd take the 5 ghz one any day even if it were "only" 30x faster
          • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1It showed that the PPC had much greater potential. However, in the hands of Motorola (and later, IBM), it languished. Motorola was ***** notorious for announcing a really cool new PPC, then getting out a year late and at lower clocks speeds than they promised. Then it would take them an eternity to ramp up production, and another eternity to get them scaling to higher speeds/revisions. The G4 should have hit 2ghz before Apple switched to the G5. Then IBM got their head stuck in their ass and failed to deliver on promises.
    • macbookpromat, on 10/13/2007, -8/+9Truthfully, I don't think I or anyone else here really gives a *****.
    • Quix, on 10/13/2007, -8/+22That's because for YEARS PowerPC processors *were* faster than the Intel equivalent. Then Motorola/IBM ran into a roadblock (likely self-imposed) and Intel caught up and passed them. Apple's move to Intel was the right decision at the right time. Nothing funny about that.
      • ninjacob, on 10/13/2007, -9/+6So the processors were great, but the OS was completely *****. Who cares...just more proprietary *****.
      • Elranzer, on 10/11/2007, -2/+3Actually IBM has surprassed them with the POWER6 line-up of processors, but by then Apple divorced the technology. Now the merits of PowerPC can be seen in all three of the current-gen vidoeogame consoles.
        • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/11/2007, -0/+1The POWER6 is far, far from being a desktop chip. It's a major workstation processor, and good luck ever seeing it in a laptop. As for as consumer-level CPUs, there was nowhere for Apple to reasonably go. IBM was not going to make a POWER6 derivative like they did with the POWER4 and the 970(G5).
      • xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8Ahhh actually I would like to remind digg readers that when the IBM PPC chips that were in the apple the AMD 64s demolished faster clocked IBM chips in photoshop tests (including Intel Chips). So no they were not faster, than the x86 chips. Not to mention that the IBM CPUs ran really hot, and had issues with ramping up the clock speeds, and ultimatly when you put the cpus through their paces High End Intel chips still out paced the higher end CPUs. No they were not better, the advantage that PPC has over x86 is that PPC is a new instruction set that took the fat out of x86. Believe it or not but there are still some instructions in x86 for 8 bit operations, ultimatly though AMDs and Intels CPUs had a better architecture. Though I have heard that some of the legacy instructions are going to be dropped from the x86 instruction set.
        • IndigoMoss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+4I don't know why you are being dugg down, that sounds just about right. When the AMD 64 chips came out they were the fastest consumer level chips for consumer applications. They had improved architecture over PPC and much better architecture than Intel's Netburst lineup, which were very inefficient and produced enough heat to heat up my house in Winter, but PPC chips weren't much better as far as heat goes.
    • evildeadman, on 10/11/2007, -2/+5Remember that speed/architecture wasn't the reason they switched (at least not what they officially said). The PowerPC roadmap was very fuzzy, and Apple was still stuck selling G4 proc's in laptops when everyone was talking about Centrino this and Dual Core that. G4s run pretty warm, and G5s were just too hot for anything portable. Intel had a defined roadmap for developing new chips, availability, so on and so forth.
      I think that this article was well-written, to be sure. Being a fanboy for any form of merchandise is irrational; it often makes one more biased and less likely to seek out the most beneficial item, the one that best suits a desired use, because it isn't released by the Preferred Company/doesn't belong to the Preferred Product Line. Mainly, it's a pain in the pocketbook.
    • widman, on 10/11/2007, -4/+8PowerPC is a better arhcitecture. Cycles per second are irrelevant if you do extensive SIMD processing for multimedia. Or if instructions take over one cycle to execute. Or if your memory latency is terrible and the cache is small.

      Still it was ironic because most Apple PowerPC fanboys didn't have a clue what they were talking about. It was fun to ask them to explain in front of everyone.
      • xspinkickx, on 10/11/2007, -1/+1umm.... again thats not true that was IBMs architecture that had better SIMD processing, not the just the instruction set. The instruction set can only take advantage of the underlying hardware. For example if you SSE instructions are used but a CPUs control unit does not know how to handle SSE instructions then its the advantage of SSE is moot. Another example is the IBM Cell CPUs, which are both x86 and PPC, its use of the 8 SPEs give it the ability to number crunch, not the instruction set.

        The reason why Power PC was touted, is because x86 contains legacy instructions PPC does not, supporting those extensions may mean having hardware, alus, registers, etc that take up space on the cpu that could mean lower the potential of the cpu.
  • munchbach, on 10/11/2007, -25/+76I don't think having a IIgs qualifies you as an Apple expert.
    • SgtBeavis, on 10/11/2007, -3/+12I don't think he actually called himself an "expert" he just said he wasn't a noob. However, that is still debatable.

      That said, he points are still valid. I do nearly all my computing on my MacBook Pro and I am a fan of OSX. However I don't worship Jobs and Apple does piss me off at times with their actions.
    • Humptydank, on 10/11/2007, -2/+8True -- having an Apple ][ connected to a mono mini-plug audio cable, connected to a 2" x 8" x 6" Radio Shack 1.5 lb. " portable" cassette player on which you''ve saved the BASIC code for a program that simulates string art that you typed in from BYTE magazine -- that makes you an Apple expert.

      Problems? Take it up with my "Autostart ROM is for pussies" tattoo.
      • Seaton, on 10/13/2007, -0/+2OMG your response just gave me a nerdgasm!
    • modix, on 10/11/2007, -1/+2Actually I'd agree as well. My story is near identical to his: had a IIGS when fairly young. Switched to 286->386 and learned DOS. Wasn't much of an OS in those days. Just a command prompt and a few configs to mess around with. I wouldn't claim it would give me any experience with modern Apple computers.
  • bingobongony, on 10/24/2007, -120/+378The worst thing about buying a Mac is having to tell your parents you are gay.
    • stak79, on 10/11/2007, -23/+15LMAO!!! ... God that's funny.
      I have no overwhelming opinion in the OS war. All zealots have lost touch anyway.
    • yikiad, on 10/11/2007, -22/+7was is hard to do?
    • jesgreen, on 10/11/2007, -27/+9This was mildly clever the first time we saw it. Got anything more original?
      • bingobongony, on 10/11/2007, -5/+5Yeah...uh...this is Digg...people still think that talking about the "tubes", ???? Profit, in soviet russia, and Chuck Norris jokes are clever.

        And gee...the first time you saw it? You joined Digg less than a week ago. Banned much?
    • energyblue, on 10/11/2007, -12/+28Coming from someone called bingobongony?
    • tucsonwc, on 10/11/2007, -20/+6So how did that go for you bingobongony? Do your parents still love you?
      Or have they disowned you? Perhaps they are ok with it, because after all now you have an iMac.
      Now get back to trolling the men's room tapping toes.

      BTW, isn't it time to prostrate yourself in the direction of Redmond? Uncle Fester is wating for your offerings.
      http://bp1.blogger.com/_pNJFZtinpKY/Rwza6XrS4ZI/AA ...
      • bingobongony, on 10/11/2007, -6/+6hanks for proving the insanity of a typical Mac fanboy.
        • tucsonwc, on 10/11/2007, -2/+1I'm not the one who started with homophobic comments.
          Check yourself kettle.
          • wageslaven, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Buried for being homophobicphobic.
    • Glorydies, on 10/11/2007, -7/+34First let me say that your comment is wrong, and second let me say i laughed my ass off.
    • segfaultxr7, on 10/18/2007, -12/+112The worst thing about being gay is having people assume that you're a Mac zealot.
    • soopafly, on 10/11/2007, -14/+8Stop arguing with a 10 year old people
    • FearTec, on 10/11/2007, -14/+6>The worst thing about buying a Mac is having to tell your parents you are gay.
      Or being a Metro Sexual.
    • MagicCake, on 10/11/2007, -5/+4http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/apple
    • Terrk, on 10/11/2007, -5/+8Classic. You should make a t-shirt
    • l33tsauce, on 10/11/2007, -11/+1ROFL god damn i almost die choking on my own spit.
    • l33tsauce, on 10/11/2007, -11/+1ROFL god damn i almost die choking on my own spit.
    • l33tsauce, on 10/11/2007, -12/+1ROFL god damn i almost die choking on my own spit.
    • l33tsauce, on 10/11/2007, -13/+2ROFL god damn i almost die choking on my own spit.
    • mrraven200, on 10/13/2007, -14/+10The worst thing about making gay jokes is having people over the age of 14 think you are a dumbass.
    • alwilson, on 10/18/2007, -10/+2What does a persons sexual preference have to do with a ***** computer? Oh, you mean gay as in happy? If you really meant gay as in homosexual, then you are a homophobic idiot. I'm not defending gays (not that there is anything wrong with that)... I'm just sick of people who perpetuate stereotypes.
      • dorkino, on 10/11/2007, -1/+3Defend your cause, homotron
      • gavin422, on 10/18/2007, -3/+1I seriously can't believe you were the only one here to call him out on that. I dugg you and buried everyone else.
    • generic234, on 10/13/2007, -4/+9i'm gay and i rofl'd
      just sayin
    • Paranoidmarvin, on 10/13/2007, -2/+3I guess I'm lucky to have good parents, in fact, both of them use Macs.

      Wait, there's something wrong there...
    • G-moe, on 10/13/2007, -1/+1i heard that joke on the radio -- but it was :
      What' the hardest part about being a rollerblader?
      Telling your parents you are gay...
  • DesertFlyer, on 10/11/2007, -19/+9It had to be said.
  • Danikar, on 10/17/2007, -18/+29Actually something I found to be a huge difference between the Linux communities and Mac communities is that the people who use Linux usually seem to want to help you out. Where the Mac users just bag on you for not switching over sooner. I really like using different operating systems. right now I use Ubuntu, but you better believe I am getting ready to set up Windows Vista and learn everything I can about it. Then, when the next Mac OS comes out; I will be right there with it too. Everyone should be open to using different operating systems, you never know when everything might be different. Think of how much it has changed in the last 20-30 year.
    • Spuy767, on 10/13/2007, -8/+16*****, that's cause linux people HAVE to help you out. If a linux guru didn't set it up for you, and you're not a Linux user from way back, there's almost no way that the average user could install and use a linux distro easily. Don't hate, I love linux, but it's not an OS for people who are new to the game, it is far too unpolished as yet to eb offered to the masses.
      • cfulp, on 10/13/2007, -4/+13That's not true. Anyone who's installed Windows before won't have a problem installing Ubuntu, and using word processing and internet. It's only the slightly more complex stuff, like installing non-packaged apps, where you'd have to google the command.
        • iofthestorm, on 10/11/2007, -3/+4Seriously, installing Ubuntu is at least twice as easy as installing Windows. And you get to use it while it installs.
        • shark615, on 10/13/2007, -1/+6Riight this is assuming your screen doesn't black out on boot right?
        • specialK16, on 10/13/2007, -2/+1@iofthestorm: And at least 3 times faster.
    • kjd84, on 10/11/2007, -3/+3Oh please you have no idea mate, It really is simple installing Ubuntu. In Fact it is easier and quicker installing Ubuntu then XP or Vista! BTW I am coming to you from a Vista machine just so you know I'm not a fanboy of linux! You just simply haven't caught up with the developments of the open source community!
    • IndigoMoss, on 10/11/2007, -0/+7I agree 100%, but you have to buy a new computer to try out OS X, so that's not going to work for me until they make their OS a little more open.
    • mmmiiikkkeee, on 10/11/2007, -0/+3i would try vista if it were free... i would try os-x if it were free... but there not and to just try them i would have to break a law. so no go for me. i like Ubuntu but it is a little unpolished for some things(but thats no big deal for me i am a CS major... i know how to use Google and i don't get confused when i see scripts to