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- HyperDav, on 11/05/2007, -5/+92The greatest thing about Woz is that he is just like all of us normal users. He made the most successful personal computer ever just by thinking of stuff he thought would be cool and people agreed. I wish Woz was still "working" at Apple and had some power in the company.
- dojonz, on 11/05/2007, -2/+40Woz, he is so damn honest.
- mwanaume, on 11/01/2007, -8/+43Steve, are you listerning?
- peestandingup, on 11/01/2007, -5/+25This is why Woz needs to be back at Apple. Really, he was the Yin to Steve's Yang & was always there to kick him in the balls for pulling stuff like this. I think Steve respected Woz in that regard. Jobs would probably can anyone else in a second if they tried that now.
I do think one of the main reasons why Woz left was because of Steve's pushiness & failure to listen to reason. - CountRyan, on 10/31/2007, -10/+28I would argue that once Apple decide to sell what they have created, they no longer have a right to keep it locked down. Once I've made my purchase, what they've made is now mine, and I'm free to do what I want to it.
- Murrabbit, on 11/05/2007, -15/+32He says he feels that there's more of a 50/50 split between Mac and PC in the home consumer market. . . the man is delusional.
- sickoo, on 11/05/2007, -2/+19Woz was the Brain, Jobs is the Marketing...
- lordmike, on 10/31/2007, -2/+17Jobs is nothing like Woz... Woz believed that computers should be "open" to tinkering and hacking, whereas Jobs has always had a very closed vision of computing--the company will decide what you can do with the product and how you use it. Jobs initially tried to close up the Apple II, but Woz told him to buzz off... Jobs got his way with the Apple III, and even closed up the Apple II with the newer Apple IIc... a portable version that wasn't really portable, just looked slick and didn't have an expansion bus... limiting expansion was near and dear to Jobs' heart... The Macintosh was his dream machine... no fan (Jobs had a thing against fans, too), and completely unexpandable... It is no coincidence that the first mac to have expansion capability only came after Jobs left. Jobs' control freak nature is evident in the iPhone and iPod... only apple developers are good enough to program it... no one else.. Apple controls the user experience, not the user..
- toxicityj, on 11/05/2007, -0/+13"I don't think any operating system, despite all its promises, is what sells a computer nowadays. I think OS changes are just done to keep your loyal people happy. Learning an entirely new operating system is something no one wants to do. You get stuck on a platform, and you don't want to start learning a whole new computer system."
he just hit the nail on the head. - saggygrandma, on 11/05/2007, -1/+12I think its more to do with everyone that surrounds him uses Macs, his whole family would, and he would have a million fans around him using Macs too..
- crammaz, on 10/30/2007, -3/+13All apple macs (desktops) have right click enabled mice (it just looks like its one!)
As for laptops, clicking the mouse (with two fingers on the trackpad) is a right click. Although it sounds strange at first... try it, it feels very natural and faster once you start to use it.
I should know, I sell macs for a living :P - tao52nyc, on 11/05/2007, -0/+8It is an irony that a former "phonephreaker" like Jobs, is now locking down iPhones. Hoist on his own petard? I think Woz was hinting that he DOES appreciate the irony, as he was doing the phonephreaking right alongside Jobs in the 70's.
- phoomp, on 10/31/2007, -2/+10Huh? When I buy a physical book, I can modify the cover, remove pages, add pages, write in the margins, etc. I can pretty much do whatever I want to it, as long as I don't try to copy it and profit from the sale of those copies.
- ThatsUnpossible, on 10/30/2007, -0/+7It's easy to be honest when you don't have to answer to anyone else for what you say...
- koji29, on 10/30/2007, -5/+12A true genius with the guts to lay out an honest opinion.
I would however comment that I think he cuts Linux down a bit too quickly.... it really should be qualified that he (hopefully) is speaking directly about the Desktop market. Certainly Linux continues to have good share of the server market.
In addition, here and now, I would argue that some of the online desktop Linux distributions, online OS, w.h.y are absolutely amazing. There is no geek factor here, reasonable licensing and desktops catered to the specific needs of the end-user(s), specifically for corporate use, have got to be a consideration for the near future. Even on the desktop level, I just think this seems like a western-biased opinion... This is no longer an issue of Linux is for geeks...
I wonder what he thinks of PC-BSD. - arcticblue, on 10/31/2007, -0/+7Sorry, but it doesn't sound like you understand capitalism very well. Microsoft doesn't *allow* Apple to exist and Microsoft doesn't have any say as to when Apple can cease to exist. Microsoft can become more competitive if they see Apple as a threat. That is the ONLY thing they can do. And guess what? Apple can do the same thing. The customers will ultimately decide.
- MtheoryX, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6You really want to meet them? Cool, I'll introduce you...
roberto_deneero, this is my grandmother and grandfather on my side, and here are the grandparents on my wife's side, and here's my parents, and here's her parents. Oh, and over here is my crazy uncle, don't worry, he's good people.
Hey, right over there is a bunch of my non-tech friends, and their parents and grand parents.
Now that you've met some people that are "stuck" on a platform (Windows), do you have any other questions?
*Note: I'm an Apple user, and what I mean by "stuck" is they have used Windows for so long that they see no point in switching to, and learning, a new system. And I don't fault them at all.
They're all good people, but I just wanted to show you they do exist. - inactive, on 10/30/2007, -3/+9The same people digging you down probably say the same thing about purchasing music on iTunes.
You're 100% correct. - wellyuk, on 10/30/2007, -3/+9You need to get a new line: http://digg.com/users/Weather
So, tell me.. what have you actually achieved or contributed towards from your comments? Aside from achieving the status of "asshat"? - KirbyMeister, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6I saw that Linux comment, and... has he even HEARD of Ubuntu?
- 2Deluxe, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6Now,you will play the role of the 'pot' in this metaphor.
- oyster, on 10/30/2007, -2/+7I don't get people like you. You take jabs at Apple's OS for being a joke and not up to par with whatever OS you prefer, and then you complain that you can't run Apple's OS on the hardware you prefer. You can't have it both ways. Does that mean that if you could run Mac OS X on a home built PC, you would? If so, then I guess the OS isn't that bad after all, eh? And if not, then what difference does it make to you what hardware it runs on, since you wouldn't run it anyway.
You say people would be happy if OS X ran on any hardware, but that's not even close to true. What's most people's biggest issue with PCs? Drivers, and driver conflicts, and hardware that doesn't work quite right because of a mismatch between hardware and software. And that happens because MS can't possibly make every driver, and relying on 3rd parties leads to inconsistent and often poorly produced software, especially if the hardware is made by a tiny company without the resources to fully beta test. If you buy a Dell and never change anything on it, then chances are you're fine. But realistically, everyone upgrades in varying degrees, which leads to a mess. Apple avoids all of that. So while you might think its shortsighted of Apple to not let a person use any piece of garbage they can buy at a swap meet, the fact is Mac users enjoy a distinctly consistent and reliable experience every time they sit down to work.
And you want to talk laughable? Count the number of viruses, spyware, and malware that Windows users must protect themselves against every minute of every day, just so they can surf in peace. Oh wait...that's not laughable. That's sad. - Kajico, on 11/05/2007, -2/+7Oh boy, I already feel the incoming Linux remarks...
some of the things i definitely don't agree with Woz on, but for the most part, he's still a major geek and a major defender of the underdog and that which is outside the norm. So, I respect him a lot for that.
I really do wish he was back with Apple, but you can't have everything in life.
To me, the iPhone still isn't a worthy purchase until it is 100% free from AT&T. Unlocking and jailbreak is one of those things we as geeks have no problem doing, but for the average user, it's a tough thing to do, especially if you have problems with a company rejecting your warranty because of a hack you did.
Same goes for the PSP and other powerful mobile devices that are just begging for independent 3rd party app support. Well I guess that's why Linux mobile devices exist, but again, that falls into the realm of those that aren't afraid to tinker. - inactive, on 10/30/2007, -2/+7Don't be stupid, the c64 is king!
- poppieprong, on 10/31/2007, -0/+5You aren't allowed to copy the book, actually. You are allowed a certain amount of "fair use" copying, (for education, to make a political point, et cetera), but you aren't allowed to just copy the book.
- saggygrandma, on 10/30/2007, -11/+16I think Steve Jobs is like this too, he knows what the people want and he pushes the people in and around Apple to provide those things.
You hear about him being cut throat about product development inside his company so the end user gets the most cool, complete and polished product. And then you also hear about him fighting the record companies etc to protect users from unfair pricing and not actually owning the content they pay for(because of subscriptions)..
I see Steve Wozniak as a pure enthusiast at one end of the spectrum and Bill Gate as a pure profiteer at the other, I think Steve Jobs fits somewhere in between because he is passionate about creating amazing products and that passion also flows through to keeping the company alive and competitive so he can keep going at it and making technology better. - lordsandwich, on 10/30/2007, -0/+5Yes, shame on Jobs for creating products you are under no pressure to buy in a marketplace filled with alternatives. The gall.
- theloniousdave, on 10/30/2007, -3/+8Have you been to a college campus lately? I'd say it is a lot closer to 50/50 than you think.
- SaintStryfe, on 10/30/2007, -2/+7the problem is software isn't profitable. Hardware is. NOtice how Microsoft has to use illegal monopoly tactics to keep itself in first place?
- sickoo, on 10/30/2007, -3/+7Someone is burying all comments.It supposed to be Steve Jobs :)
- poisonborz, on 10/30/2007, -5/+9The sad thing is, Woz said his Linux remarks propably without trying any of the recent (younger than 5 years) distros.
- peestandingup, on 10/30/2007, -2/+6I doubt that. Woz usually has his hands in everything. The guy did sorta invent the personal computer after all.
And his comments are correct. Love Linux, but its still not there yet as far as mainstream ease of use. Linux nerds just like to think it is. - adude, on 10/31/2007, -0/+4Except that's not true. I'm not sure what the legal agreement for the iPhone and Macs are, but in Windows, for example, you buy a license with a 500-page EULA. There are fair use exceptions, but otherwise the company dictates what you can and cannot do. You're more of a "renter" of an OS than a buyer. For better or worse, the company that sells it to you under our free market has that right (to a certain extent).
- arcticblue, on 10/30/2007, -0/+4OS fanboys are a funny breed aren't they? Arguing about different OSes is like arguing about which Power Ranger is better on the playground.
- TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/30/2007, -3/+7"All of us normal users?" How deluded are you? Digg is not normal users, and neither is Woz. The normal user barely knows how to use a computer or iPod, much less hack it or even want to.
- oyster, on 10/30/2007, -3/+7Wow...a well reasoned argument there. So eloquent. So persuasive. Full of facts, figures, and inarguable data. Bravo, jackass.
- arcticblue, on 10/30/2007, -1/+5I dugg you back up. There seems to be an unusual amount of fanboy extremists (fanboyofascists?) on Digg today. You know, the kind that don't like the idea of people trying/doing/thinking something different than them and will go through great lengths to make sure all opinions that differ from theirs are buried. They will also try to bury this comment for pointing them out.
- arcticblue, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4(where did the reply buttons go?)
@Giga,
Is middle click really that big of a deal? I can see how it might bother some people, but the only thing I have Windows on my Mac for is games. Yes, some games require middle click, but I'm sure as hell not playing a game with the trackpad. I have a bluetooth mouse that does everything I need.
As far as right/middle clicking in OS X. The UI is designed for only one mouse button. Right-clicking can help sometimes, but it is not a necessity like in Windows. And like others said above, thinks to multitouch support on the trackpad, you can use a two-finger tap to right click. You can also scroll by using two fingers.
It's so tempting to point out how you are obviously just trying to troll here Giga, but I think everyone that reads your comment will know. - Seekhey, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4Isn't War and Peace currently in the public domain anyways?
- inactive, on 11/05/2007, -2/+5Woz was the builder of Apple, Steve was just the college drop out salesman.
While steve was about fashion, Woz was about function. - deflord, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4If you want, then check http://digg.com/apple/MacOS_X86_Leopard_10_5_Crack ... . Personally I don't see the point. Apple' vertical integration is what makes it unique, and their laptops are now fairly competitive on price, can boot windows and look nicer.
Woz is a charismatic guy, and Jobs has a touch of the dark side about him, but I don't think you can ignore the way he has transformed apple from basket case to the hottest thing in town... - toxicityj, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4psh Green ranger was the shiz
- itsmedamon, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3insightful, thanks.
- Giga, on 10/30/2007, -2/+5A point that they don't get, or a point they don't agree with?
- xRand0mx, on 11/01/2007, -0/+3Don't forget it was Woz who designed the PC, not Jobs. Jobs is just the businessman and he is certainly good at that.
- znicket, on 10/31/2007, -9/+12But this is so incredibly incorrect. If you buy a book, a physical book, you are still not allowed to make copies of it, distribute it, publish whole chapters of it in your magazine or website. You don't "own" the text of War and Peace even after you buy it. Similar to music - you buy the CD but you can't play it for an audience of people. You can't use it as a background music in your store etc... There are restrictions that are legally bound.
Buying intellectual property basically means that you get free use of it - up to a point. This seems to be a point that most diggers, hackers and pirates don't get. - djlspider, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3Man, for something that sucks, you sure love to read about it.
- inactive, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3Giga: The Windows driver does support that, actually..
- Sawta, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3I don't think that they truly believe it is. I think that they have simply lost perspective with what an average user defines as "easy" to do. I enjoy knowledge, and when using something like ubuntu, you defiantly learn how to use the terminal very quickly when something goes wrong and you have to refer to the forums, however, I don't believe that the large majority of computer users WANT to learn that quickly, or in the same way as a(n) Linux user.
Here's a good example. I installed 7.10 on my iMac, everything worked well except sound. After several days of support from two other posters, the problem was solved and I felt very accomplished. The problem is that, someone who has no desire to learn to use a(n) OS and wants it to "just work" is going to say "***** this" and go back to their previous operating system far too quickly. Essentially, the problem with Linux is hardware compatibility (in my perspective, at least). -
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