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The Way It Woz, The Way It Should Be: Steve Wozniak on All Things Apple

laptopmag.com — From a business point of view, Apple owns what they have done. They have a right to lock it. But I am really for the unlockers, the rebels trying to make it free. I'd really like it to be open to new applications. I'd like to install some nice games. Why in the world can I not install a ringtone that I've made?

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  • mwanaume, on 11/01/2007, -8/+43Steve, are you listerning?
    • Giga, on 10/31/2007, -5/+2No, he is not. Surpisingly, neither is schestowitz.
    • proghead, on 10/30/2007, -1/+2Steve(s)? are you listening?
      • donkeySays, on 10/30/2007, -6/+3Stevez, is the plural of Steve.
        • dartmanx, on 10/30/2007, -2/+2I bet you have a large lolcats collection, don't you?
    • oyster, on 10/31/2007, -13/+8Is he listening to what? What did Woz say that Steve needs to listen to? That he wants games on his iPhone? The SDK is out in February. Once that happens, then everyone will be free to install all the OS breaking crap that Treo users get to enj...

      Sorry...had to reboot my 700p...it crashed.

      And listerning isn't a word.
      • qbyte, on 10/30/2007, -2/+3There's nothing wrong with the 755P. It's only unstable when you install an unstable app on it. The phone itself is pretty solid and full featured. The only thing that the iPhone has on it is looks. When third party apps are loaded on the iPhone, expect the same issues that you have to deal with on other smart phones.
    • SpeedSteamBoat, on 10/31/2007, -6/+1To this obviously disconnected relic of computer history? Probably not.
  • HyperDav, on 11/05/2007, -5/+92The greatest thing about Woz is that he is just like all of us normal users. He made the most successful personal computer ever just by thinking of stuff he thought would be cool and people agreed. I wish Woz was still "working" at Apple and had some power in the company.
    • Asshate, on 10/30/2007, -2/+7Don't be stupid, the c64 is king!
      • chevyorange, on 10/30/2007, -1/+1Yeah, don't be stupid! C=64 is king!
    • saggygrandma, on 10/30/2007, -11/+16I think Steve Jobs is like this too, he knows what the people want and he pushes the people in and around Apple to provide those things.
      You hear about him being cut throat about product development inside his company so the end user gets the most cool, complete and polished product. And then you also hear about him fighting the record companies etc to protect users from unfair pricing and not actually owning the content they pay for(because of subscriptions)..
      I see Steve Wozniak as a pure enthusiast at one end of the spectrum and Bill Gate as a pure profiteer at the other, I think Steve Jobs fits somewhere in between because he is passionate about creating amazing products and that passion also flows through to keeping the company alive and competitive so he can keep going at it and making technology better.
      • lordmike, on 10/31/2007, -2/+17Jobs is nothing like Woz... Woz believed that computers should be "open" to tinkering and hacking, whereas Jobs has always had a very closed vision of computing--the company will decide what you can do with the product and how you use it. Jobs initially tried to close up the Apple II, but Woz told him to buzz off... Jobs got his way with the Apple III, and even closed up the Apple II with the newer Apple IIc... a portable version that wasn't really portable, just looked slick and didn't have an expansion bus... limiting expansion was near and dear to Jobs' heart... The Macintosh was his dream machine... no fan (Jobs had a thing against fans, too), and completely unexpandable... It is no coincidence that the first mac to have expansion capability only came after Jobs left. Jobs' control freak nature is evident in the iPhone and iPod... only apple developers are good enough to program it... no one else.. Apple controls the user experience, not the user..
        • saggygrandma, on 10/30/2007, -6/+3Your right Jobs does want to protect his products by making them closed off, the thing is that as much as everyone loves Woz, he doesn't really have a place that fits in with in the modern computer business/industry, Jobs still does and its his vision that has revived Apple.
          Its weird that people complain about Jobs' decisions on stuff like closing off the iPhone etc when its his decisions that have ultimately revived Apple and spawned these new products like the iPhone in the first place!
          • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/30/2007, -3/+5Great new products that cannot do half the things "old" similar products made years ago can as standard because he locks out everything...

            Comon, even the total POS cheap free phone my parents got for renewing their contract with Cingular was able to set mp3 files as ringtones.
      • xRand0mx, on 11/01/2007, -0/+3Don't forget it was Woz who designed the PC, not Jobs. Jobs is just the businessman and he is certainly good at that.
    • TheFinaleofSeem, on 10/30/2007, -3/+7"All of us normal users?" How deluded are you? Digg is not normal users, and neither is Woz. The normal user barely knows how to use a computer or iPod, much less hack it or even want to.
      • RyeBrye, on 11/02/2007, -1/+2Thanks to Ron Paul, there are plenty of "normal users" on Digg now.
  • ChromaVita, on 10/30/2007, -21/+14He thinks macs have 50% of the market share? What is he smoking?
    • AQMessiah, on 10/30/2007, -10/+10Read the comment, he did not say that.
      • zmjone2992, on 10/30/2007, -12/+13more or less he did, among home users. He is still way off base.
      • ZeRux, on 11/03/2007, -2/+12RTFA: "I think Macintosh has a lot higher market share than it's ever credited for. I think normal people who buy and use computers on their own choose Macs. It's close to a 50/50 split in my mind. It's businesses that are buying thousands of Microsoft PCs, and there are tons of countries where Apple isn't sold at all."
  • znicket, on 10/30/2007, -12/+12I wouldn't say that Woz or diggers represent the majority of the market. Most people _don't want_ the extra hassle and complexity that comes with these advanced features.
    • madroneDorf, on 10/30/2007, -11/+4Woz reprsents the average technical user, which really isn't saying much, besides the fact that hes famous and had a major role in the PC revolution.

      I'm sure there are many engineers working on Windows, Macs, xBox's PS3's or whatever who wished that they were designed to better suit their technical minded uses.
  • Weather, on 10/30/2007, -25/+7Apple sucks
    • wellyuk, on 10/30/2007, -3/+9You need to get a new line: http://digg.com/users/Weather

      So, tell me.. what have you actually achieved or contributed towards from your comments? Aside from achieving the status of "asshat"?
    • djlspider, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3Man, for something that sucks, you sure love to read about it.
  • TheWriteGuy, on 10/30/2007, -23/+18*****, Steve Jobs. Sorry, but there's really no other way to get the message across to him. ***** you, Steve.
    • oyster, on 10/30/2007, -3/+7Wow...a well reasoned argument there. So eloquent. So persuasive. Full of facts, figures, and inarguable data. Bravo, jackass.
    • lordsandwich, on 10/30/2007, -0/+5Yes, shame on Jobs for creating products you are under no pressure to buy in a marketplace filled with alternatives. The gall.
  • CountRyan, on 10/31/2007, -10/+28I would argue that once Apple decide to sell what they have created, they no longer have a right to keep it locked down. Once I've made my purchase, what they've made is now mine, and I'm free to do what I want to it.
    • tehjarvis, on 10/30/2007, -3/+9The same people digging you down probably say the same thing about purchasing music on iTunes.
      You're 100% correct.
    • znicket, on 10/31/2007, -9/+12But this is so incredibly incorrect. If you buy a book, a physical book, you are still not allowed to make copies of it, distribute it, publish whole chapters of it in your magazine or website. You don't "own" the text of War and Peace even after you buy it. Similar to music - you buy the CD but you can't play it for an audience of people. You can't use it as a background music in your store etc... There are restrictions that are legally bound.

      Buying intellectual property basically means that you get free use of it - up to a point. This seems to be a point that most diggers, hackers and pirates don't get.
      • Giga, on 10/30/2007, -2/+5A point that they don't get, or a point they don't agree with?
      • NimbleRabit, on 10/31/2007, -3/+2You are allowed to make copies of it, as well as destroy it or do whatever (physically) you want to the book. How is this a different situation than the merchandise you've purchased?
        • znicket, on 10/30/2007, -2/+1You can destroy your property - but in case of intellectual property you are bound by certain legal restrictions. These restrictions are in place to protect the originator of the intellectual property from damage that might result if you breach those same restrictions. If you copy the text of "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" and distribute it to every single person in the USA - you are depriving the author of her fair compensation for her work.
          In case of the iPhone, you don't "own" the OS. You have permission to use it.
          • NimbleRabit, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1I understand that, but you should own that particular instance of the OS. Nobody here is arguing that you should be able to copy a book and distribute it, but they are arguing you should be able to highlight on and do whatever the ***** you want to the physical copy of the book. In the same vein, shouldn't we be able to do whatever we want to our iPhone and it's software as long as it's limited to that particular copy?
        • poppieprong, on 10/31/2007, -0/+5You aren't allowed to copy the book, actually. You are allowed a certain amount of "fair use" copying, (for education, to make a political point, et cetera), but you aren't allowed to just copy the book.
      • phoomp, on 10/31/2007, -2/+10Huh? When I buy a physical book, I can modify the cover, remove pages, add pages, write in the margins, etc. I can pretty much do whatever I want to it, as long as I don't try to copy it and profit from the sale of those copies.
        • SlpingInsomniac, on 10/31/2007, -1/+2No one said you couldn't.
          • NimbleRabit, on 11/01/2007, -0/+1Keeping with the analogy, they didn't say he/she couldn't but they did make the book in such a way that it's really difficult to modify, write in, or do anything to at all. They did this, in fact, even though they know most people enjoy the freedom to do what they want to the book.
      • bariswheel, on 10/30/2007, -2/+4znicket is right, you are buying licenses of these things, you don't really own 'war and peace', don't pick his words apart, read between the lines, or go take a Copyrights class, or read Lawrence Lessig's book, and stop digging him down, you're making yourself look like a fool.
      • Seekhey, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4Isn't War and Peace currently in the public domain anyways?
    • KirbyMeister, on 10/30/2007, -2/+2Yes but if you want to keep using Apple's proprietary updates you're also agreeing to whatever restrictions coded into the software. Proprietary == restricted, period. Don't like it? Do what the PSP hackers do and _not update_ until someone hacks the new firmware to support all the stuff you could already do now.
      • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/30/2007, -1/+2You realize that thinks to these "PSP Hackers" its now not only safer to use hacked firmware because you can unbrick on your own, but also you can sidegrade back and fourth between custom and official firmware because of the unbricker hack. 99% of PSP updates were just to fix security holes that enabled the hacks in the first place, not much of a problem to "not update".
    • joegibes, on 10/30/2007, -0/+2I thought it was totally legal to unlock cell phones in the US?
      ...but I guess it depends on the Terms of Service.
    • adude, on 10/31/2007, -0/+4Except that's not true. I'm not sure what the legal agreement for the iPhone and Macs are, but in Windows, for example, you buy a license with a 500-page EULA. There are fair use exceptions, but otherwise the company dictates what you can and cannot do. You're more of a "renter" of an OS than a buyer. For better or worse, the company that sells it to you under our free market has that right (to a certain extent).
  • dojonz, on 11/05/2007, -2/+40Woz, he is so damn honest.
    • ThatsUnpossible, on 10/30/2007, -0/+7It's easy to be honest when you don't have to answer to anyone else for what you say...
  • 2Deluxe, on 11/05/2007, -16/+10"L: Mac's notebook market share has climbed as high as 8.8 percent in the U.S. How much higher do you think it can go?
    SW: I think Macintosh has a lot higher market share than it's ever credited for. I think normal people who buy and use computers on their own choose Macs. It's close to a 50/50 split in my mind. It's businesses that are buying thousands of Microsoft PCs, and there are tons of countries where Apple isn't sold at all."

    AHAHAHAHAHA. Oh Jeebus that's funny on *so* many levels!
    • llsethj, on 10/30/2007, -6/+5I don't get it? What part is funny? He lives in an environment where most people use macs. Affluent, well educated silicon valley. When you have a choice and can choose the best you get mac. If you live in the third world you use PC
      • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/30/2007, -4/+1"When you have a choice" how ironic considering if anything Apple products severely LIMIT choice...
        • mrBitch, on 10/30/2007, -0/+2you don't understand the meaning of the word "irony". go look it up - and then never use it in a sentence again.
  • Murrabbit, on 11/05/2007, -15/+33He says he feels that there's more of a 50/50 split between Mac and PC in the home consumer market. . . the man is delusional.
    • saggygrandma, on 11/05/2007, -1/+12I think its more to do with everyone that surrounds him uses Macs, his whole family would, and he would have a million fans around him using Macs too..
    • ZeRux, on 11/05/2007, -7/+2He's spreading horrible lies since Macs share 90% of market and PC's are used only in third world countries. I bet that he's on Microsoft paylist.
      /sarcasm
    • theloniousdave, on 10/30/2007, -3/+8Have you been to a college campus lately? I'd say it is a lot closer to 50/50 than you think.
      • Cyber_Akuma, on 10/30/2007, -3/+4My campus had basically no macs actually, but then again it was a technical university, people were either using the systems to write documents in word/excel, to code their senior project, or to host counterstrike matches when nobody was watching, not much point in putting macs in the labs.
        • YuriSakazaki, on 11/05/2007, -4/+4Essentially, in actual work environments, a Mac is useless.
          • theloniousdave, on 10/30/2007, -0/+1Depends on the work environment. I work at a company with all PC's, I have friends who work with all mac's. I went to Penn State and worked as a comp tech, by my senior year (2006), we were seeing almost 50/50 mac and pc's.
        • rhoelshe, on 10/30/2007, -0/+1I'm a CS student at Georgia Tech, and I'd say about 1/3 of the students I see in classrooms with laptops have MacBooks and MacBook Pros, myself included.
        • ubergeek09, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1That's because at a Technical University they all realize that Macs are useless pieces of crap.
    • Sawta, on 10/30/2007, -1/+1I really don't feel that his explanation was all that ridiculous to accept. What he was basically alluding to was that, people are basically pidgin holed into using a PC over Mac. Imagine being part of say, a law firm, computers are not your prime concern. You need to write something down on your laptop, send it back to the main office while your out and about and don't want to worry about compatibility issues. The computers that were on the market were cheaper if you got a PC compared to Mac, so you went with the cost effective route over personal taste and minor differences in OS layout.
  • koji29, on 10/30/2007, -5/+12A true genius with the guts to lay out an honest opinion.

    I would however comment that I think he cuts Linux down a bit too quickly.... it really should be qualified that he (hopefully) is speaking directly about the Desktop market. Certainly Linux continues to have good share of the server market.

    In addition, here and now, I would argue that some of the online desktop Linux distributions, online OS, w.h.y are absolutely amazing. There is no geek factor here, reasonable licensing and desktops catered to the specific needs of the end-user(s), specifically for corporate use, have got to be a consideration for the near future. Even on the desktop level, I just think this seems like a western-biased opinion... This is no longer an issue of Linux is for geeks...

    I wonder what he thinks of PC-BSD.
    • KirbyMeister, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6I saw that Linux comment, and... has he even HEARD of Ubuntu?
    • SleepJunkie, on 10/30/2007, -1/+3Not that I'm against what he's saying.. but it doesn't need guts to say what he thinks. He has nobody to answer to.
  • peestandingup, on 11/01/2007, -5/+25This is why Woz needs to be back at Apple. Really, he was the Yin to Steve's Yang & was always there to kick him in the balls for pulling stuff like this. I think Steve respected Woz in that regard. Jobs would probably can anyone else in a second if they tried that now.

    I do think one of the main reasons why Woz left was because of Steve's pushiness & failure to listen to reason.
  • Kajico, on 11/05/2007, -2/+7Oh boy, I already feel the incoming Linux remarks...

    some of the things i definitely don't agree with Woz on, but for the most part, he's still a major geek and a major defender of the underdog and that which is outside the norm. So, I respect him a lot for that.

    I really do wish he was back with Apple, but you can't have everything in life.

    To me, the iPhone still isn't a worthy purchase until it is 100% free from AT&T. Unlocking and jailbreak is one of those things we as geeks have no problem doing, but for the average user, it's a tough thing to do, especially if you have problems with a company rejecting your warranty because of a hack you did.

    Same goes for the PSP and other powerful mobile devices that are just begging for independent 3rd party app support. Well I guess that's why Linux mobile devices exist, but again, that falls into the realm of those that aren't afraid to tinker.

  • sickoo, on 11/05/2007, -2/+19Woz was the Brain, Jobs is the Marketing...
  • sickoo, on 10/30/2007, -3/+7Someone is burying all comments.It supposed to be Steve Jobs :)
  • chris9902, on 10/30/2007, -9/+11Release OS X for normal PCs and it's an instant win for Apple. I don't like Apple's hardware but I'd buy the software in an instant.
    • SaintStryfe, on 10/30/2007, -2/+7the problem is software isn't profitable. Hardware is. NOtice how Microsoft has to use illegal monopoly tactics to keep itself in first place?
      • sclive, on 10/31/2007, -8/+3That's not it at all. Apple refuses to open up its OS because it knows perfectly well that it can't compete with Microsoft on a grand scale. And since it lures consumers in with an OS tailer-made to a handful of PC setups, they have to opportunity to trump Microsoft (who has to develop software on a much larger scale [and as a result must cut corners and take longer]) with these incremental OS upgrades and more cohesive, stronger brand building tactics.

        Apple will never overtake Microsoft because in order for it to become as large as Microsoft, it will have to become Microsoft. So Apple will always be a niche OS, used by a small niche of people. If Microsoft ever truly considers them a threat, they'll blow 'em out of the water, plain and simple.

        Keep in mind that Microsoft also allows Apple to survive because of one good reason: They already know them and no matter how big MS is, there'll always be a strong competitor in the OS market. Apple's presence guarantees no other company *ahem, Google* will get a foothold in the marketplace.
        • arcticblue, on 10/31/2007, -0/+7Sorry, but it doesn't sound like you understand capitalism very well. Microsoft doesn't *allow* Apple to exist and Microsoft doesn't have any say as to when Apple can cease to exist. Microsoft can become more competitive if they see Apple as a threat. That is the ONLY thing they can do. And guess what? Apple can do the same thing. The customers will ultimately decide.
    • deflord, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4If you want, then check http://digg.com/apple/MacOS_X86_Leopard_10_5_Crack ... . Personally I don't see the point. Apple' vertical integration is what makes it unique, and their laptops are now fairly competitive on price, can boot windows and look nicer.

      Woz is a charismatic guy, and Jobs has a touch of the dark side about him, but I don't think you can ignore the way he has transformed apple from basket case to the hottest thing in town...
    • tmbrwolf19, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3The problem is that Apples OS's claim to fame is its stability, and this is mostly because they know exactly what components they need it to work for. If they opened it up, you would see terrible issues with drivers and stability... and that is bad for marketing. Yes I know the cracked version runs decently, but there are still problems a plenty. While people are often critical of Windows, the fact that they are trying to make a single program run on millions of possible hardware/software combinations its astounding that the thing works at all.
  • chris8535, on 10/30/2007, -9/+750/50 eh...
  • Invalice, on 10/30/2007, -14/+4one main thing i would like for mac hardware is.... A Right Click button!!
    I also don't understand what the glossy screen does apart from gather fingerprints.
    • schoate09, on 10/30/2007, -14/+6I'm not sure why you're being dugg down. Apple's notebooks still don't have right click, a feature I've long wanted.
      • peestandingup, on 10/30/2007, -6/+8He's being dugg down because of ignorance. On desktops, you get a multi-click mouse. On laptops, its called a two-finger click. Been like that for a while now.
        • crammaz, on 10/30/2007, -3/+13All apple macs (desktops) have right click enabled mice (it just looks like its one!)

          As for laptops, clicking the mouse (with two fingers on the trackpad) is a right click. Although it sounds strange at first... try it, it feels very natural and faster once you start to use it.

          I should know, I sell macs for a living :P
        • Giga, on 10/30/2007, -8/+1Does the Windows driver for the Apple mouse pad support the two finger click as a right click yet? Also, how are you supposed to do a middle click? Many PC laptops do a middle click when you push left and right simultaneously.
        • arcticblue, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4(where did the reply buttons go?)
          @Giga,
          Is middle click really that big of a deal? I can see how it might bother some people, but the only thing I have Windows on my Mac for is games. Yes, some games require middle click, but I'm sure as hell not playing a game with the trackpad. I have a bluetooth mouse that does everything I need.

          As far as right/middle clicking in OS X. The UI is designed for only one mouse button. Right-clicking can help sometimes, but it is not a necessity like in Windows. And like others said above, thinks to multitouch support on the trackpad, you can use a two-finger tap to right click. You can also scroll by using two fingers.

          It's so tempting to point out how you are obviously just trying to troll here Giga, but I think everyone that reads your comment will know.
        • SleepJunkie, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3Giga: The Windows driver does support that, actually..
    • Invalice, on 10/30/2007, -3/+1I know how to right click, but it's a laptop and i don't always have a mouse with me.
    • Anthion, on 10/30/2007, -0/+1All you need to do is use a 2 finger tap on the trackpad... or do a ctrl-click if you can't use 2 fingers at the same time. What year is it where you're from? Jeez.
    • avra, on 10/30/2007, -1/+0dude, apple mice have had right click for over 2 years now.
      also, you can plug any standard mouse into a mac and it'll work.
      besides that, even one click/laptop one button mice have the right click function if you hit control when you click.
  • poisonborz, on 10/30/2007, -5/+9The sad thing is, Woz said his Linux remarks propably without trying any of the recent (younger than 5 years) distros.
    • roberto_deneero, on 10/30/2007, -8/+2Buried for using the word "distros". True nerd in the flesh.
    • peestandingup, on 10/30/2007, -2/+6I doubt that. Woz usually has his hands in everything. The guy did sorta invent the personal computer after all.

      And his comments are correct. Love Linux, but its still not there yet as far as mainstream ease of use. Linux nerds just like to think it is.
      • Sawta, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3I don't think that they truly believe it is. I think that they have simply lost perspective with what an average user defines as "easy" to do. I enjoy knowledge, and when using something like ubuntu, you defiantly learn how to use the terminal very quickly when something goes wrong and you have to refer to the forums, however, I don't believe that the large majority of computer users WANT to learn that quickly, or in the same way as a(n) Linux user.

        Here's a good example. I installed 7.10 on my iMac, everything worked well except sound. After several days of support from two other posters, the problem was solved and I felt very accomplished. The problem is that, someone who has no desire to learn to use a(n) OS and wants it to "just work" is going to say "***** this" and go back to their previous operating system far too quickly. Essentially, the problem with Linux is hardware compatibility (in my perspective, at least).
  • RoamShell, on 10/30/2007, -10/+2Buried for:

    1. The user's comment on the article was far more appealing than the article itself.
    2. Volunteering to try out Leopard without any past knowledge on the first day, and avoiding Vista without any past knowledge. [Insert snarky mac fanboy remark here]
    3. Innacurate description of the more newbie-friendly linux distros.
    4. Innacurate comment via #1, nothing to do with the iphone.
    Besides, we all know what happened last time apple didn't have a strangehold on its hardware. Clones popped up and apple freaked out about the simple fact that they don't really make any of their hardware. They were vastly outsold until they went back into vendor lock-in mode, and it's been like that ever since. Apple barely managing to be anything more than a joke through system 9. Even to system 10.1 they were laughable by comparison. Now, after the ipod (and now iphone)'s bling factor, they're slowly climbing back up. They still have a lot to mature, though. Hopefully they will enough to wise up and just let people use any hardware they want. That way everybody's happy: The bling factor people can buy their bling machines from apple, the people who already have their own pc can run any of their preferred operating systems, or all of them on partitions. a universal experience.
    • oyster, on 10/30/2007, -2/+7I don't get people like you. You take jabs at Apple's OS for being a joke and not up to par with whatever OS you prefer, and then you complain that you can't run Apple's OS on the hardware you prefer. You can't have it both ways. Does that mean that if you could run Mac OS X on a home built PC, you would? If so, then I guess the OS isn't that bad after all, eh? And if not, then what difference does it make to you what hardware it runs on, since you wouldn't run it anyway.

      You say people would be happy if OS X ran on any hardware, but that's not even close to true. What's most people's biggest issue with PCs? Drivers, and driver conflicts, and hardware that doesn't work quite right because of a mismatch between hardware and software. And that happens because MS can't possibly make every driver, and relying on 3rd parties leads to inconsistent and often poorly produced software, especially if the hardware is made by a tiny company without the resources to fully beta test. If you buy a Dell and never change anything on it, then chances are you're fine. But realistically, everyone upgrades in varying degrees, which leads to a mess. Apple avoids all of that. So while you might think its shortsighted of Apple to not let a person use any piece of garbage they can buy at a swap meet, the fact is Mac users enjoy a distinctly consistent and reliable experience every time they sit down to work.

      And you want to talk laughable? Count the number of viruses, spyware, and malware that Windows users must protect themselves against every minute of every day, just so they can surf in peace. Oh wait...that's not laughable. That's sad.
      • arcticblue, on 10/30/2007, -1/+5I dugg you back up. There seems to be an unusual amount of fanboy extremists (fanboyofascists?) on Digg today. You know, the kind that don't like the idea of people trying/doing/thinking something different than them and will go through great lengths to make sure all opinions that differ from theirs are buried. They will also try to bury this comment for pointing them out.
  • mrgoat, on 10/30/2007, -11/+6@ OS Fan Boys.
    Do you think arguing that your OS is better than someone else's OS will alter their opinion?
    Man 1: OSX ROCKS
    Man 2: Windows rocks, Steve Jobs is a prick
    Man1: You are right, I am going to buy Vista RIGHT NOW

    I am glad you like OSX/XP/Ubuntu. You will not alter my opinion, nor anyone elses with your pre-puberty arguing styles. So ***** off.
    K. Thx. Bye.
    • 2Deluxe, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6Now,you will play the role of the 'pot' in this metaphor.
    • oyster, on 10/30/2007, -0/+1Aren't you a delight.
    • arcticblue, on 10/30/2007, -0/+4OS fanboys are a funny breed aren't they? Arguing about different OSes is like arguing about which Power Ranger is better on the playground.
    • MtheoryX, on 10/30/2007, -1/+4Hmm, complaining about someone's so-called "pre-puberty arguing styles" and then finishing royally with a "***** off" and a "K. Thx. Bye."
      Gotta hand it to ya, I've never directly witnessed epic self-pwning before. Thank you for that experience.
  • toxicityj, on 11/05/2007, -0/+13"I don't think any operating system, despite all its promises, is what sells a computer nowadays. I think OS changes are just done to keep your loyal people happy. Learning an entirely new operating system is something no one wants to do. You get stuck on a platform, and you don't want to start learning a whole new computer system."

    he just hit the nail on the head.
    • roberto_deneero, on 10/30/2007, -7/+2I want to meet these people who "get stuck" on one platform. Hmmm, let's see - Mac and M$ both have mouse, windows, buttons to click, and porn. Wow. It must be soooo difficult to use one if you normally use the other. I can't stand this complaint from end users. What's with our lazy fat American mentality? It's not hard to use either Windows or OS X. Point and click. End of story.
      • MtheoryX, on 10/30/2007, -0/+6You really want to meet them? Cool, I'll introduce you...
        roberto_deneero, this is my grandmother and grandfather on my side, and here are the grandparents on my wife's side, and here's my parents, and here's her parents. Oh, and over here is my crazy uncle, don't worry, he's good people.
        Hey, right over there is a bunch of my non-tech friends, and their parents and grand parents.
        Now that you've met some people that are "stuck" on a platform (Windows), do you have any other questions?
        *Note: I'm an Apple user, and what I mean by "stuck" is they have used Windows for so long that they see no point in switching to, and learning, a new system. And I don't fault them at all.
        They're all good people, but I just wanted to show you they do exist.
    • Cyber_Akuma, on 11/05/2007, -5/+2MacOSX IS what is selling Macs nowdays, its just that Apple has managed to convince the majority that Macs are something completely different instead of a PC with a TPM chip on the motherboard and preloaded with MacOSX instead of Windows.
      • mrBitch, on 10/31/2007, -2/+4Macs are very different beasts to the regular Dell, Acer, or any other PC that is built to run Windows.

        Just because PC components are used does not mean that you build something identical to a Dell.

        One small example, Macs don't have a BIOS. Apple adopted Intel's EFI ( far superior ) replacement to the now over 20 years old BIOS technology.

        Vista was meant to be EFI compliant, but ( as usual ), MS drags its feet when it comes to trying to adopt new technology that it can't quite understand as yet.
      • ubergeek09, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1No one would buy Macs if they didn't look pretty. Why? Because they are completely and utterly useless and are basically just status symbols for the "hip".
    • Sawta, on 11/05/2007, -1/+2I really hope Woz isn't trying to suggest that something like "Surface" is going to sell because its so different from a normal computer..
  • aqualung857, on 10/30/2007, -9/+1woz he is so cool... too bad mac sux
  • tao52nyc, on 11/05/2007, -0/+8It is an irony that a former "phonephreaker" like Jobs, is now locking down iPhones. Hoist on his own petard? I think Woz was hinting that he DOES appreciate the irony, as he was doing the phonephreaking right alongside Jobs in the 70's.
  • fixprod, on 10/30/2007, -1/+2Hey Jobs...YOU GET IT ???
  • ike6116, on 10/30/2007, -4/+3Woz hasn't been relevant for years. The geek reverence is really going to his head.

    Proof he is out of touch:

    L: Mac's notebook market share has climbed as high as 8.8 percent in the U.S. How much higher do you think it can go?
    SW: I think Macintosh has a lot higher market share than it's ever credited for. I think normal people who buy and use computers on their own choose Macs. It's close to a 50/50 split in my mind. It's businesses that are buying thousands of Microsoft PCs, and there are tons of countries where Apple isn't sold at all.

    Im a Mac User, one might even say loyalist or fanboy, I've been to a Jobs keynote, several apple store openings and when I was in high school I used to skip school to stream the Jobs keynotes at MWSF, but the comment above isn't even CLOSE to coherent.
    • pierreb, on 10/31/2007, -0/+1There is some relevance to the comment in that the fact that Windows dominates the business market, the 8.8% market share understates the percentage for home users. Additionally, Mac's generally have a much longer useful life. Hence, the actual home maket share of Apple is greater than 8.8%, perhaps double, for the home market - certainly not 50%.
  • antitab, on 10/30/2007, -4/+1WHEN I WOZ
  • petereality, on 10/30/2007, -2/+2screw multi-touch.
    gesture recognition.
    woz just gave us the future people -- go and build.
  • jabberwolf, on 11/05/2007, -2/+5Woz was the builder of Apple, Steve was just the college drop out salesman.
    While steve was about fashion, Woz was about function.
    • xt0ph3r, on 11/05/2007, -3/+1That is such a massive oversimplification that it's simply false.
  • jabberwolf, on 10/31/2007, -5/+1Woz was the builder of Apple, Steve was just the college drop out salesman.
    While steve was about fashion, Woz was about function.
  • digitalmineral, on 10/30/2007, -1/+1Woz is so refreshing! This was a great interview! (Must read for anyone who owns a Mac...)
  • norcalscan, on 10/30/2007, -0/+3Interesting quote from Woz FTA, "Early on with the first Apples, we had these dreams that the computer would let you know what you wanted to do. The idea was that little icons or words would suggest what you wanted to do..."

    Lately, some people are saying Apple Inc. tells the consumer what they want, rather than the consumer telling Apple what they want. Apple thinks they know (and they get it right, or close a lot of times, and very wrong sometimes). Interesting to see the same parallel "visions" for Apple then as what they seem to be doing now.
    (my 20" iMac just told me to type all of that)
  • ubergeek09, on 11/05/2007, -0/+1Woz is awesome. Apple in fact used to be good, but now I hate Apple because of Steve Jobs, he has ruined all the company stood for, and made it a joke.
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