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  • mralexgray, on 10/19/2007, -11/+115i love apple. but i hate them right now. my iphone is like totally boring, and i'm like, totally on my period about it.
    • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -12/+5Press Space twice, woop!
    • Samsong, on 10/10/2007, -28/+17I hate Apple. And I hate them all the time.
    • iChainsaw, on 10/10/2007, -26/+14According to you guys, this was Apple's slogan for the iphone: "iPhone, buy it because of the 3rd party apps"
    • FTLJohnson, on 10/10/2007, -5/+26The options in this poll stink. I'd have added
      "I've upgraded already, but if apple doesn't provide a legitimate option for 3rd party apps that people are clearly demanding, then I will be dumping my iCrap."
      or
      "If apple refuses to provide a legitimate solution for 3rd party developers, the least they can do is get out of their way."
      • fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -3/+13The legitimate solution is "another platform". Apple is all about Apple and all for Apple. They're not some open source company where everybody sits around group-hugging and spreading warm fuzzy feelings, they're a business and a smart one.

        Look at the success Sony has had with the PSP in spite of breaking homebrew stuff every single update, and bundling games with updates so you can't even mix and match homebrew with purchased games.

        Apple just doesn't need to open the iPhone, people will buy it anyway.
        • KungFuJesus, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Um, 3rd party apps have the potential to raise demand for iphones. Apple is working against themselves by pulling this *****
          • fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3Yeah, that's the popular opinion on digg. Now as I said, look at the PSP. Massive sales, completely locked in to a device that only allows you to do what Sony allows you to do. Even before the Slim the PSP had sold a massive number of units, while those of us with PSP's complained and wished Sony would open it up so the full potential of the device could be reached.
          • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4While the iPhone and PSP are not similar devices, what fkr3 said is correct. The PSP has been a modest success for Sony with massive amounts of hype about it before it was released, then the shock of its high price, the lack of third party add-ins, ect. Sound familiar?
            Apple sells the iPhone as it is. No third-party software that has their approval. Everyone that bought an iPhone was aware that making changes to it could result in it being non-functional if Apple made their own changes. This is what Apple does. Incremental improvements in 1st generation devices, but not enough to make you not want (if you were a fan of the first one) to buy a 2nd generation unit. They've done it with almost every product they've ever made.
            Even as a Mac user I'm aware of this and almost never buy 1st gen products from Apple. Digg me down if you're not interested in the truth or you just hate Apple irrationally, but it's Apple's bat and Apple's ball and if you don't want to play get off the field. I bet 3/4 of the loudest complainers don't have an iPhone and just troll Apple posts to make up for their miserable lives. Stop whining over something you knew was going to happen.
        • jacenat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2actually, homebrewing on then psp got easier with any incremental update of sony.
          i am currently using 3.52 m33 and can play ANY game out right now. plus i can play my old ps1 games without the need to put them on the memorystick. not to mention the pdf/ebook reader, the screenshot function and beeing able to play your own mp3 music while playing games ... possibly just muting the game music and not the gamesound.

          unlocked psps are so far superior to standard firmware ones ... it's incredible.
          • fkr3, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It gets easier, then Sony releases an update and bundles it with new games and then we sit around and wait for someone to do it all again for us.
      • r3zonance, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3All the answers are loaded to Apple sux, ***** survey. My personal opinion is Apple were right to re-lock it. API will be released in time.
      • cleverboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4@r3zonance
        This poll is clearly political and not a real measure of where people fall.
        But, I guess that's what war is all about. Propaganda.

        My answer would be:
        + I was sad to restore my iPhone and blow away my 3rd party apps, but like many thousands of people, I read that this major upgrade may have problems with 3rd party apps though more specifically UNLOCKED phones. I upgraded, and was impressed how much more stable my phone felt again in factory fresh condition with new settings, tricks, and iTMS. At work, I downloaded John Legend's "Get Lifted" album and a single by India.Arie. It was very nice. I'm hoping third party app support will return, but unfortunately, the same effort is being used to UNLOCK phones, and most people can't tell the difference, and because of that, people that do not want to UNLOCK their phone, end up avoiding 3rd party apps altogether due to misinformation. That said, part of me wants Apple to just announce its final 3rd party app solution. It will NEVER be full OS level support, but it may be better for performance and functionality than Web 2.0 solutions that while great, require Safari. Personally I think Apple's "Springboard" needs to support paging (like the Weather widget), rearranging the icons, shortcuts (like to a Safari bookmark and secondary areas in apps like the Clock or Phone), and wallpapers. Those changes alone would drive significant appreciation and mollify user gripes. Would I like AppTap back? Yes. Until Apple gets up to speed, I'll gladly use a hack if it doesn't damage my firmware. Am I under some delusion that this is why I bought my phone? No. Only stupid people bought their phone as a primary cellphone over all others, simply for the potential of hacking OSX.

        That option would have been too long though. I know.
      • monsterofNone, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1there's no indication of how many respondants actually own one... or will ever have the cash to actually buy one.
    • virtualball, on 10/10/2007, -4/+17I seem to be in the minority who think that Apple isn't really in the wrong here : They warned you not to update and they are contractually bound to stop unlocks. What more do you want? Also, if you're one of those people who say "Ugh! I want 3rd party apps now!" the hacking community doesn't need you. It is a gradual process which involves people who do this in their spare time. Whoever updated heard Jobs saying "It's our job to break them" and "It's a cat-and-mouse game."

      Lastly, for those complaining about buying the iPhone and saying it isn't worth it anymore, why'd you buy it in the first place? It would be sad if you paid 400-600 dollars for NES. Like Gizmodo, they said you should buy it on the first day, but now, when we can't unlock and have third party apps, they advise against getting it, even though Apple fixed bugs and added features.
      • scarper86, on 10/10/2007, -4/+2Now I know why my iPhone came with that tube of iLube!
        • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2You never bought an iPhone, but I bet you have plenty of lube for yourself down in the basement
      • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3You know, I have to ask: have you read their contract with AT&T? Has anyone outside of Apple and AT&T? If not, how can you possibly say "they are contractually bound to stop unlocks"? There may be nothing at all in their contract with AT&T about stopping software unlocks.
        • crackintosh, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2than why would they care? I know someone who works at an apple store and as soon as the unlock came out they had foreigners buying them by the hundreds. they loose nothing, only ATT looses.
      • cleverboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2@virtualball
        Actually, I believe Gizmodo's official review said "WAIT". They were slowly moving to a rabid, "BUY< BUY NOW! DON'T STOP BUYING!" --But, now they're changing it to "DON'T BUY". I get it. Their initial "wait" recommendation actually made a lot of sense and was very exhaustive. Personally? I think iPhone blows away most other phones on the market, but ONLY on certain features (while missing some others).

        For me, those features were CRUCIAL for my next cellphone: Web browsing (the BEST), Visual Voicemail (I HATE voicemail, now its awesome), Google MAPS (its the BEST Google maps implementation, especially with its integration across all its features). I'm okay with blogs like Gizmodo telling most gadget enthusiasts to wait. It's all the other people that are sorely in need of phones that aren't ASS to use. Before the 1.1.1 update, dialing a number on the iPhone had a demerit for taking a few too many steps. Now its 2 taps, and playing/controlling music from inside Safari is equally cool. This 3rd party app stuff is an amazing distraction from an awesome device that keeps getting better.

    • toetagger, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10Funny... Apple forces thousands of people to NOT update, thus losing them as Starbucks Wifi iTunes customers.
      • chrisxkelley, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7but do you really think the people hacking their phones are going to be the ones paying for music?
        • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5Actually, yes. I have a couple hundred dollars of music from the iTunes Music Store, and maybe another hundred dollars worth of TV shows.
          I hacked my iPhone so it has additional functionality that I wanted (in my case, an eBook reader) so that I no longer have to carry around my PDA. What makes you equate hacking with theives?
        • xkorbin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0The fact I dream of a day a gnutella client is ported to iPhone ;)
      • thailand1972, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Not only that, but those that don't update still have a load of unpatched security holes on their phones....
  • picciano, on 10/10/2007, -6/+31I just want my ring tones back.
  • m00gg, on 10/10/2007, -6/+34I like that Apple shelled out that refund to the early adopters, but why lock out the firmaware like this and hinder the progress of the open-source community? I shall proudly not update...
    • streak, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10On average, Apple won't lose any money on the $100 coupons.
      • kingkilr, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5On average consumers will gain something, on top of which apple loses potential profit.
    • omarciddo, on 10/10/2007, -9/+8Umm, maybe because Apple is NOT open source?
    • shortarabguy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+6Do you really mean that you can't understand why they locked out third-party development? As soon as they lose control of the product, you gain control of it, and that means that if they ever want to sell something to you, like- oh, I don't know- ring tones, they'll be selling for money a product which you can get for free. It's the obvious move to keep in business, although clearly not the popular move.
      • skoles, on 10/10/2007, -2/+12Then why has this logic not caused RIM to collapse and go bankrupt? I have a Blackberry Pearl and I can download & load any 3rd party app that tickles my fancy. I can access most common image & document formats on the phone, get directions, IM, text, browse the web, watch videos, play music, SYNC WITH MY MAC...it does as much PRACTICAL work, if not more, than the iPhone does.

        What am I losing? Starbucks integration? Woop-de-*****. iTunes support? Actually, mine syncs my playlists fine. Touch screen? Oh lawds! I don't have the privilege of pulling my device out to do a simple task like change a song. Ringtones? I can just drag & drop my audio files right to the phone and viola! Ringtone!

        It even syncs over Bluetooth. HOLY ***** WHERE CAN YOU BUY FUTUREPHONE FOR YOURSELF you ask? Why it's FREE with most plans and some coupon codes.
        • cgruber, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5The web browisng on an iphone is leagues better. It's easily the best mobile web experience on a portable device currently.
        • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3You are missing skoles point, which is "you can have a profitable company without feeling the need to bleed your customers dry".

          I've been a fairly rabid Mac user for about 6 years now, but this sort of behaviour is what I expect from wireless phone companies. Sure, it might make Apple more money in the short run, but do you know any company that is more hated than a nickel-and-diming wireless phone company?

          For me, Apple has gone from "a company that treats me like a CUSTOMER", to "a company that uses me like a CONSUMER". Why should I have any brand loyalty to a company that treats me like that?
          • shortarabguy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You can, but bleeding them dry is much easier. The cost to them of letting people go and develop their own solutions to problems is the risk of losing any business after having sold the iPhone itself, whereas with this firmware they can ensure that you, if you want to do X, have to use their product. They might charge for it, they might have advertisements, or they might just makes sure that it doesn't interfere with other programs, but in any case they're guaranteeing that they won't end up shooting themselves in the foot later on.
    • deadbaby, on 10/10/2007, -2/+7I can tell you one reason they're doing it: Ever since I installed Summerboard my phone will sometimes not properly unlock. It goes to a black screen where I can see the status bar but nothing else. This happens probably 3-4 times a week. A quick power cycle fixes it but the average consumer may not understand this is a third party software problem, not an Apple problem.
      • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1As a contradicting anecdote, I have Summerboard and it has worked flawlessly for me since the day I installed it. It and Installer.app have shown me how good 3rd party software can be. There have been a couple of applications I've installed that have been less stellar, but Summerboard and Installer have been ideal.
    • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -3/+7Why don't they want to allow 3rd party apps?
      One word **SKYPE**
      • PacoBell, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Have you actually tried using Skype over EDGE o_O?!
        • jeriqo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The regular phone actually works...
        • KillTheRhythm, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1You do know Skype is free? Yah?
          • KillTheRhythm, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1^^ That was supposed to be for the person below...
      • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I can see why AT&T would not want Skype on a phone, but why would Apple care?
        • IronKurton, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Because they have to play nice with AT&T until they get enough momentum. Same reason that iTMS was offering only DRM songs for a long time - they had to get enough market share before they could actually start changing terms of their contracts. It's all about leverage. Right now, AT&T has a little more.
    • keyo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Because they're a company and maximizing profits is in their best interest. They want to sell you these apps themselves, free software is essentially pirating as far as their profits are concerned. Apple want to be in a monopoly, ***** it's not very hard to figure that one out.
  • joemasta, on 10/10/2007, -10/+21If apple had to name there firmware updates, this one would be called "Apple_Dick_Move_v1.1.1" ill be staying on v1.0.2, my 3rd party apps do much more for me than a mobile music store. At least with 3rd party apps, it somewhat makes the iPhone worth what i paid for it.....
  • Ireland, on 10/10/2007, -7/+49Apple's getting slapped around here, royally, and rightly so. Pay attention Apple or pay the pice.
    • eyver, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Yeah, Apple!!! Pay attention to the Digg community, because they are totally representative of the general public!!!
      • Archimboldo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I agree. Digg has the most thoughtful, mature, and balanced members of any web site in the world. Just take a look at any random sample ... er ... How do I hit cancel again?
  • hansveld, on 10/10/2007, -9/+9I want my SummerBoard and all the great third party apps back. And I definitely want to hide that stupid iTunes Store button. Please guys work had on that apptapp installer for 1.1.1.!
    • cakeeating, on 10/10/2007, -2/+21Why the heck did you upgrade it, then?
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+4Or why did you even buy it? Did you try it beforehand? Didn't you realize it didn't do some of the things you wanted it to do? That's like buying a Toyota Prius and thinking "What a great car! Can't wait to shoehorn in a Ford 5 liter engine!"
      • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Just so you know, some people DO buy a Toyota Prius, and hack in the European firmware so that it will run on the battery more often (improving gas mileage, but decreasing battery life).
        *I* bought the iPhone to be a PDA... the phone part wasn't a big deal to me. With the 3rd party software available to me, it does that function just fine, so I'll be staying with the 1.0.2 firmware.
  • nkramer09, on 10/19/2007, -3/+51I am totally sticking with 1.0.2 until they have a work around.
    • kaytrio, on 10/10/2007, -2/+1I STILL haven't updated to iTunes 7.4!
    • thailand1972, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3thing is, your phone has all those security holes if it isn't patched. I don't blame you for not upgrading, but there's some serious security holes in the email and Safari software on the 1.0.2 (publicly stated by Apple). Either way you lose with this new firmware update....
      • xkorbin, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Don't be a wuss, everyone needs a little danger in their life.
        • senatorpjt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2as long as I get to keep the security hole that lets me install third party apps I'm going to be sticking with 1.0.2. its still good enough to be able to write this comment on, even if I have to press an extra time to get a period.
  • nkramer09, on 10/10/2007, -18/+1I am totally sticking with 1.0.2 until they have a work around!
  • digitallysick, on 10/10/2007, -10/+4we need an iphone p2p client....
    • rspeed, on 10/10/2007, -1/+6The hell? That's about the dumbest thing I ever heard. It's 2007, not 2010. You don't use an iPhone without also having a computer.
    • TejInLA, on 10/10/2007, -0/+5The only reason I could see a need for that is if you just want to swamp the edge network.
    • maci01, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I think its the same reason anyone would want an iTunes wifi music store. Which I don't really get but whatever.
  • Moviespo, on 10/10/2007, -14/+1I miss my Super Mario Bro NES and exploring the i~phone via cyber duck, using the terminal on the i~phone and installing my Star Trek Ring Tone...

    I just want my SpringBoard and Mobilefinder back and all the other goodies...My i~phone might as will be a brick because it's in dummy mode now. Why do I need to check my stocks or check the time with such useless widgets. Before it was a computer.....

    Thank god I went prepaid. Am back on t-mobile till the wonderful folks at http://iphone.nullriver.com/beta/ come up with a solution...

    You guys are amazing!

    The i~toner works but you can't see the ring tones from the phone but only from the i-toner app...It's as if it's there but they are invisible.

    It was a fun experiencing and gald to have been part of the wave in hacking the i~phone and exploring this new ATM drive-thu like technology in the palm of my hands...

    think that's why apple locked the phone...They didn't want leave the ATM open to the music store.

    Kind of like this:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dltjEnrePxc

    www.Freetheiphone.com Does anyone have that domain yet?
  • amykhar, on 10/10/2007, -3/+19The way I see it, hobbyist developers will have the third party apps back soon enough. But honestly, I just wish Apple would open up the platform for application development.
    • senatorpjt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1From what I've been reading, it doesn't sound like much progress is being made towards jailbreaking 1.1.1. So you might end up stuck with 1.0.2 forever. I don't really mind at the moment, but if Flash or Java become available in a future update, it'll be harder to justify.
  • uptown, on 10/10/2007, -12/+8To expect Apple to develop around a myriad of homebrewed codebases that would continually evolve is asking too much. What Apple probably should have done was scanned the phones prior to installing the firmware, and refused to install if they saw anything questionable instead of bricking the phones, but I really can't blame Apple for this one. Go back to the developers that unlocked your phone and ask them for a fix. Chances are, they can develop one for you.
    • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1Why didn't they just get the updater to display a "Your 3rd party apps will no longer work, but hey, you get a iTunes store icon, Do you want to continue" message.
      • r3zonance, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3For the record, Apple are NOT bricking phones.
      • axcess99, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The updater did display a giant warning message about trying to update tampered phones.
    • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3One of Apple's executives stated that while Apple couldn't guarantee they wouldn't break 3rd party apps with an update, they wouldn't actively seek to prevent their use. I could understand that stance perfectly.

      Then we find out that Apple added cryptographic signing of all programs running on it. I'd say that was going out of their way to lock down the iPhone such that no 3rd party app will run on it.
      • axcess99, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I haven't heard about apps all being signed now. Could you link to something confirming that statement?

        That aside. People created software using undocumented APIs and it broke when apple changed the API. Anyone is moron who hacked their phone and then didn't do some research and wait before applying the upgrade.
  • 3210, on 10/10/2007, -9/+17Stupid move by Apple, people bought the iPhone and they should be able to use it with whatever mobile carrier they want and they should be able to put whatever software they desire on it. Apple really made a stupid decision by doing this to their paying customers.
    • iChainsaw, on 10/10/2007, -2/+6Universal Cellphone Creation Law #9001: thou shall let your customers do anything THEY want with YOUR phone because you are NOT trying to make money by putting the phone into the market in the first place.
      • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Universal Cellphone Creation Law #1: If thou treatest thy customers like mindless spigots of money, they shall flock to those businesses that treat them like valued customers whose feelings matter. Thy brand loyalty shall be lost.
    • r3zonance, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2The paying customers did it to themselves, as they didn't have to buy the phone and knew thisw would be the case.
    • cleverboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Exactly, 3210, wake UP! There are MANY MANY people that have NOT updated their iPhone's firmware. Apple never supported it, and have publically stated that the update will probably make them stop working. Apple is just doing what it set out to do. You want them to support 3rd party apps? WRITE IN!!! Right now, Apple is probably right to think that most customers don't care. This is mostly due to the STUPIDITY of those who freely mix the topic of 3rd party apps with UNLOCKING. Many iPhone owners curious about 3rd party apps, don't know the difference, and figure they'd just as soon avoid doing anything that might ruin their phone's ability to access its services. So, do your part and try to correct people whenever you see them saying something like, "I installed AppTap, and all the new apps are great... but how do I get YouTube working again, and Visual Voicemail doesn't seem to function either..." This is an example of the zombie-stupid misinformation out there.

      Write to Apple. Request better choices. I mean, iBlackjack alone is an AWESOME game, and getting better with each update. Apple needs developers like that onboard. They also need customers that have a good head on their shoulders, and that avoid confusing the issues.

    • jeriqo, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1You really think Apple really wanted to lock the iPhone to only one carrier?
      Why would they do that?
      Think again.
      • Wojek, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Why else? Money

        "Munster writes in a research note:

        We believe the monthly revenue sharing involves $3 per month for service and data fees related to all iPhone users, and AT&T gives Apple an additional $8 per month for iPhone customers who transfer service to AT&T in order to use the iPhone"
    • cleverboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1http://digg.com/apple/iPhone_Bricking_The_Inconven ...
  • TheRascalKing, on 10/10/2007, -1/+23I predict many open letters in the future.
    • cleverboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hopefully they're open letters NOT written by the more grammatically challenged members of iPhone Dev Team (or anyone else for that matter). We don't need politics or spokespersons that cannot understand the value of compromise or diplomacy. We DO need dialog though. Most people are looking for someone to point a finger at, instead of looking for basic answers.
  • RyeBrye, on 10/10/2007, -18/+13Apple is run by *****. I've been a mac users since the early 90's - and now the only thing keeping me on the OS X platform is the fact that it's a superior OS.

    They seem to be wanting to be too much like Microsoft.
    • iChainsaw, on 10/10/2007, -7/+10***** with better products > ***** with ***** products
    • FTLJohnson, on 10/10/2007, -10/+1It's superior to Linux because.... it runs Photoshop?
      • Viscaria, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5No, it is superior to Linux because it has doesn't sport a UI that is a poor knock off of Windows.
        • cleverboy, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3I think you meant "Xerox" not IBM. FYI.
  • cowsgonemadd3, on 10/10/2007, -3/+26If you want to keep using the ringtones and 3rd party programs do not upgrade. Very simple solution.
    • thailand1972, on 10/10/2007, -3/+1If you want to keep using an insecure iPhone, do not upgrade. Very simple solution.
  • chubbybubba, on 10/10/2007, -15/+5I think it's hilarious. First the price drop now the brick. Its almost unreal. Apple Fan Boys will never live this down. Never.
    • FTLJohnson, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Never say never... OK... say it if you want... but, there is a VERY clear path to redemption for apple. IF they NOT ONLY release an SDK, but if the next update for the iPhone had a software loader for signed 3rd party applications, a file browser, Java and Flash support.... You'd be wrong. (yeah, like that's gonna happen... *****.)
  • totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -6/+15I didn't hack my iPhone...I'm pretty happy with it as it is (movies, music, maps, safari, and phone are all great)
    My hope is that once Leopard launches, Apple will announce an SDK for the iPhone. Its obvious certain parts of the iPhone are waiting for Leopard (like Notes)...maybe there is more coming.
    • wtmoose, on 10/10/2007, -1/+0How is it obvious Notes is waiting for Leopard?
      • totorototoro, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3Because system-wide Notes support, with an open API, is a feature of Leopard? And the current Notes in iPhone is obviously braindead right now? :P
    • senatorpjt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Great. When Apple announces an SDK, I'll update the phone. Until then, it's 1.0.2.
  • >mark, on 10/10/2007, -8/+1I don't think.
  • streak, on 10/10/2007, -11/+14The Starbucks icon is spamware. I didn't pay $599 to get an advertising iPod. I paid $599 to avoid this kind of crap, just like I buy Macs because they aren't loaded up and bogged down with crapware (one of the features Jobs and Schiller tout). Next thing you know, when we enter a grocery store that sells Starbucks beans, the iPhone will begin playing Starbucks music and show images of Starbucks coffee brewing. Rather than having an LED that blinks to inform us of alerts, iPhone 2.0 will have smell-o-vision and spew coffee odors.
    • JoeDiggsIt, on 10/10/2007, -6/+19Theres no Starbucks icon unless....YOU'RE IN A STARBUCKS!!
      • WCFins, on 10/10/2007, -0/+8Which at last check is once every half a block.
        • Lyph5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0I have to drive 20 minutes to get to the nearest one. After that it's over an hour to find another. Good thing, too, since their coffee is disgusting.
    • Murdats, on 10/10/2007, -12/+3you know there is a very simple way to run a computer without all the crap on it.
      install the os yourself or
      format c:
      then install the os yourself, and tada, unless you are an idiot, no crap until your next computer.
      • mancat, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3way to miss the entire point, junior
      • kalmi, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1you are really funny :d
        ...even if you didn't intend to be :)
    • streak, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Steve said Apple and Starbucks worked for 2 YEARS on this deal. (WTF?) Yeah, so perhaps I shouldn't be so concerned about the iPhone building up a boatload of similar spamware in my lifetime, but this does set an ugly precedent. For people who don't read the news much, this is essentially the "proximity advertising" that companies have been trying to find a good way to foist on consumers for years. And here we have iPhone customers paying several hundred dollars to a company that prides itself on quality and the lack of crapware on its other platforms for a device that (after the sale) breaks the bond of trust between manufacturer and consumer.
  • fuzzmeister, on 10/10/2007, -2/+9I was hoping Apple wouldn't take the road Sony did dealing with PSP hackers, but it appears that they have. Come on Apple, let people do what they want with their phones, it doesn't harm you in the slightest.
    • zybch, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2In fact, I'm pretty sure it would actually help them. I don't have an iPhone but if 3rd party apps were allowed and encouraged by Apple I'd probably go get one next week.
    • pradador, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1The prob for sony is that hacks let people run ISO's and higher quality videos, which really doesn't work well for their movie and game businesses. Not saying it's right, just saying it doesn't work for their business model. Apple on the other hand doesn't have these sort of worries. The only problem I'd say is the unlocking, but surely they could just patch the firmware themselves just like any sim does...
    • Tahiri, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2"The prob for sony is that hacks let people run ISO's"

      I'm glad someone here was smart enough to mention that.
      Though I'd like to add if Sony didn't lock out avenues for piracy like they are, developers and publishers would lose confidence and make far less games, thus resulting in less for you to pirate.
  • HerrEisenheim, on 10/10/2007, -10/+15Works great for me. No use for the iTunes WiFi Store, but the other little fixes are great. Honestly, I don't see the big deal. Maybe some people need a reality check. Apple DOESN'T CARE ABOUT YOU. I know long time Apple fanboys like to think of Apple as some kind of damn charity, but you need to get over it. They are in the game to make money, same as everyone else—not to do whatever you think they should. Don't like it? Don't buy it, but please stop crying.
    • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Wow, nice consumer attitude. All companies are bad, so just take it and shut up?
      What ever happened to being treated like a valued customer? Once upon a time, businesses cared VERY MUCH about you and your opinions. It's attitudes like this that allow them to treat you the way they do.
      Guess what? I am extremely loyal to businesses (and people too, really) that treat me well and seem to value me. Those companies get my money in continued, reliable repeat business.
      Here's an example: the book publisher Baen sells me what I want (eBooks) in a format I want, and doesn't treat me like a potential thief (all of their eBooks are DRM-free). Almost every book I've bought in the past 4 years (several hundred dollars worth) have been Baen books. When they started an eMagazine, I bought that as well. All those other eBook providers that lock down their books to one and only one reader (and you can't redownload the content if you lose it), and often more expensive than their paperback counterparts? They haven't seen a dime from me, and never will.
      My point is: business is a two way street. Treating your customers badly (and I consider trying to nickel-and-dime them with things like ringtones as being greedy) is a good way to LOSE your customers, assuming they have any sort of choice. While I don't think Apple has done anything morally wrong with their recent moves, they have made me lose 70% of my (previously high) brand loyalty. They are becoming "just another of the many computer providers" to me, and unless they change soon I'll take my business elsewhere. Perhaps I am unique, and it won't matter to them at all. Perhaps not.
  • sabarsky, on 10/10/2007, -1/+10i love my iphone but i love apptapp and 3rd party apps more. i'll stick to 1.02.
  • skoles, on 10/10/2007, -17/+45Um. I don't think it broke 3rd party apps. I think it simply updated how it would've normally and overwrote what the 3rd party ***** did to force it's way in there.

    This ***** update bitching is getting old. Christ people, you KNEW this ***** wasn't going to be supported in any way. It even says IN YOUR ***** PHONE CONTRACT that you are not allowed to change the devices software under any circumstance. I'm all for doing what you want with it, but don't expect any company to support ***** it never intended to be there in the first place.

    Buy a ***** Blackberry if you want all these features. It's smaller, cheaper in some cases, and supports plenty of 3rd party *****.
    • PhireN, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2dude, they switched from an unencrypted ramdisk to an encrypted one. A process which is risky, and has probably already bricked a few iPhones, and not just ones running 3rd party apps. Apple wouldn't do that for no reason.
      also they made it impossible to downgrade to the old firmware.
      • piakid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0nullriver has instructions for downgrading to 1.0.2
    • zman14321, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2*****
    • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2Which phone contract would that be? I just looked through the contents of the box that the iPhone came in, and there was no contract in it.
      I walked into the Apple store and bought it, just as I would have any other computer peripheral. Perhaps you are thinking of the one that I didn't sign with the phone company, because I didn't activate my phone with AT&T?
    • SirZRX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+2what contract or agreement? i didnt sing any
    • skoles, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1When I activated my phone I had to agree to the TOS on AT&T's website. Since iTunes is the only way to activate the phone outside of buying one at an AT&T store I'm sure most of you scrolled through that part & hit "agree".
  • JTMON, on 10/10/2007, -5/+15"To expect Apple to develop around a myriad of homebrewed codebases that would continually evolve is asking too much."

    Right right, it's just what oh I don't know..almost EVERY other hardware vendor does.
    • thinkdifferent, on 10/10/2007, -0/+7Wrong, other vendors have a public API which developers use. When those first systems came out, they didn't have public APIs either. The homebrew apps are generally using private APIs which are probably still in a state of flex. I'd love and SDK for the iPhone, however it's unreasonable to expect them to support an API they haven't committed to supporting. An API forces Apple to not change things as much. Keep in mind, the iPhone has only been out a few months. I'm sure that once Leopard ships as well as the devices in Europe we'll be closer to having one.
      • zman14321, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Think differentLY just because apple screwed it up doesn't mean you have to too.
      • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2And I wouldn't expect them not to change the API and break 3rd party apps that previously worked on them. Supporting those isn't Apple's problem. I *am* a little miffed that Apple decided to require cryptographic signatures on their images before they'll load, though... that goes above and far beyond "not supporting".
  • ruddy, on 10/10/2007, -4/+5I wonder how many people are in my situation. I want to get an iphone because of the unlock and 3rd party apps, but i'm going to see how this whole delima goes first. if anything, apple has taught me to be patient on buying things.
  • Frnnkdlxx, on 10/10/2007, -13/+4SHUT THE ***** UP ABOUT THE IPHONE!

    Every 2 hours theres a new story going popular about the iphone this or that. jesus. give me a BREAK! MAN!
    Meanwhile, while you pampered morons are ejaculating about the latest iphone hack, America is being destroyed. Pay attention to the news you faggy oily skinned simp's.
    • piakid, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0um... why are you even on this forum. if ur so much better than us, go do something more important with your narcissistic self.
  • recusion42, on 10/10/2007, -7/+6This is how I feel about that:

    http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1237/1455560723_9ce ...

    Larger: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1237/1455560723_f4b ...
  • FTLJohnson, on 10/10/2007, -14/+9I'll probably still get dugg down, even way down here, but I really just felt the need to add this...
    I've always been a PC person, but my 80gig iPod and 8gig iPhone were really winning me over a little bit to Apple....
    It's pretty clear though, the iPhone has many of the same problems macs do, and I'd be willing to bet that many of these issues stem from the same source... The fact that Steve Jobs is a *****.
  • lohphat, on 10/10/2007, -12/+13It's. Just. A. Phone.

    You're all being played like the marketing tools you are.
    • astrosmash, on 10/10/2007, -9/+2Go back to Russia.
      • gronne, on 10/10/2007, -0/+3So if you're not a whiny materialistic douche like all of the people here crying about having buyers remorse you're a communist?
    • Babazoz, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4In Soviet Russia, iPhone uses....yeah you get the idea.
    • senatorpjt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1It's only just a phone if you install 1.1.1. For those of us who already got an iPhone and are using 1.0.2, it's a handheld computer. Makes up for that extra $200 far more than any coupon.
  • astrosmash, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8I understand Apple wanting to control the whole iPhone experience. That's what separates them from other consumer electronics companies, and it has worked for them.

    But not supporting 3rd party applications was a big miscalculation. I'm sure the last thing they wanted with the first iPhone update was all the negative publicity surrounding bricked and disabled iPhones.

    It doesn't matter how attractive the iPhone is. The bottom line is that you can't intentionally disable your product and expect people to not notice. It's certainly not the tactic Apple used to get the iPod where it is.
    • lohphat, on 10/10/2007, -9/+6Hypocrite. When M$ does it it's "evil" when Apple does it it's "controlling the experience."

      Get off your knees and wipe your chin...
      • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hate to tell you this, but: (1) you missed astrosmash's point, and (2) Apple is not a monopoly that has been convicted of using that illegally to their advantage, as Microsoft has been.

        In any case, I don't want my experience controlled. I want an experience presented to me, and have it be good, but be able to tailor it to my needs if I have the time and/or money. As long as I am not affecting others, what does it matter if I degrade my experience, as long as I am happy (and can hopefully go back to the "optimal experience" if needed)?
        • Lyph5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1If you want an "open" experience get one of the open mp3 players or phones. I have an iPod and an iPhone because I enjoy them. I don't NEED 3rd party apps, but wouldn't mind them. I do not regret upgrading to 1.1.1 as I have yet to find a "killer" 3rd party app.
  • Vegabondsx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I was planning on getting an iPhone, and I still do. I was looking forward to using third party apps, but I suppose its something I will have to wait on. I understand Apple voiding the Warranty if iPhones are unlocked or have third party apps but Apple should have still let people develop for iphone, just not support it. The choice of unlocking or using 3rd party apps with hacks and possibly voiding the warranty is one that Apple should have given. Even without 3rd party apps the iPhone is still a very sweet phone.
  • JoeDiggsIt, on 10/10/2007, -3/+18I honestly don't care about the 3rd party apps, because I use my phone to (it may sound crazy) make calls, play music and audiobooks, watch movies/tv shows, and surf the interwebs. I don't need to play Zork that bad or make my friends look like pirates, and I'm certainly not going to have a little hissy fit like some of you are doing over something this trivial.
    • ignoranceisstr, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yeah, some apps are stupid. Some apps (like Navizon) have key functionality that makes the phone a thousand times better. If you get lost, you can only find your way back with the iPhone if you know where you are.
      • Spuy767, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Cause it's so goddamn hard to look at a street sign and have a general idea of what state you're in. Not that I don't think that Navizon is a great concept, but currently it doesn't work for *****.
      • Lyph5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Find a gas station and ask where you are. Put that address into the Google Maps app. It now give you step by step directions to get where you need to do.

        Navizon never worked for me and even if it did I heard reports of it being miles off.
    • ridd1e, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yes, but there are some people who love to have iPhone but they can't use AT&T - and they need anySIM app for instance.
  • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -3/+10The poll was obviously bisaes, the choices came down to "so just how much does the update suck?".

    But I am mellow about it. I would like third party apps, but I can wait for the next unlock. In the meantime I'm still plenty happy with the phone as-is and some of the new features are really nice (including an oft overlooked one, better VPN support).
    • Lyph5, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0That's why I didn't vote. I was looking for the "I upgraded because I wanted to and now I await the 3rd party developers to catch up."
  • ijak, on 10/10/2007, -3/+8I voted that I don't care. But the truth is not in your poll. ... Obviously I do care and want third party Applications. ... But I will not be a party to tearing down the best phone that is out there because it does not live up to everything I want. ...
    Nothing else even comes close.
    What I want is in the future for Apple, and for me. ... Dell, Gateway, HP, MS, None of the other companies has a farts chance in a high wind for building the tools I want.

    I support Apple in whatever they need to do in order to make the transition into the phone companies. ...

    Do you think you could make a little contract and then let a bunch of hackers erase all your hard negotiated deals, and just let it go. ...

    *****. Use your head and see what the real options are not this pie in the sky little-boy I-want-my-toy crap. Grow up.
  • sfs1169, on 10/10/2007, -6/+3it was great until i updated my iphone one without 3rd party apps or any sim unlock now its ***** stuck in recovery mode, 2 and a half hours of tech support no fix yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GIVE ME A ***** BREAK
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3You are the only person here who has a valid beef. Have you tried creating a new user, and running iTunes from that account to totally refresh the phone to a blank slate? Or powercycling the phone?

      I'd also reccomend a genius bar visit, I've had good experiences with some (not all) of the staff knowing what the hell they are doing.
    • MacParrot, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2One other thing to try. Restart your computer and try again. It worked for a friend of mine (on a Mac, I don't know what you have) who had a similar problem. Good luck.
  • Xolotl2, on 10/10/2007, -5/+5I love it. It increases the security and reliability of the software and I get WiFiTunes. I spent many sleepless hours worrying about iPhone "hackers" that would break into my communications device and steal my credit card infos. Thank you, apple.
    • zman14321, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I hope you're being sarcastic, I think you are, but then again it's hard to tell
  • pakkman781, on 10/10/2007, -2/+4*sigh* Thinking about selling the damned thing. Anybody know of a device that has a mobile browser that's on par with MobileSafari? That was the biggest draw to the iPhone for me...
    • cgruber, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2iTouch?
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -4/+4Nothing. That's why using the device as-is, without hacks, is not the nightmare scenario some make it out to be.
      • diggmaddy, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3using the device as-is,without hacks, has the biggest nightmare of AT&T, which many people including me want to avoid like plague. Thus, they hack the phones and use it with T-Mobile :)
      • Spuy767, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2Everyone acta like T-Mobile is so much better than ***** AT&T. At my last job, we were issued T-Moblie phone, the service was depolorable, and in my facility. the entire time that I worked there, there was a T-Moblie tech trying to figure out why our phones wouldn't work in the building. Thanks, but I'll take my changes with AT&T.
    • zman14321, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yes, the Nokia N800, it's not a phone though, just an internet tablet/organizer.
  • FoxMcCloud1, on 10/10/2007, -4/+1how would i know i refuse to update until iz haxored! who the hell needs a 1.1.1 whoooo wheee
  • ravi7791, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3I'm not updating to 1.1.1 here. The major features aren't that major for me. Though the iTunes store is nice, I rarely buy music from it.
  • areallylittle, on 10/10/2007, -3/+4Ok, just my little view: Apple is in bed with AT&T. Their business model is tied to AT&T at the moment. Don't just put this on Apple's doorstep. If you are going to hack it, be prepared for the price. I don't like whiners.
    • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Just like their business model is tied with the music industry's and the TV industry's, which is why we have variable pricing and can't burn CDs from our purchased music, and pay $5 for each episode of... Oh, wait...
  • mortum, on 10/10/2007, -4/+6I do not think this can get any sillier.

    iPhone is a consumer electronics product not a salvation device. Apple, just like any other corporation out there, has but one objective: increase sales by any means necessary (stock price, pressure from shareholders, etc.). Do not agree with Apple's policies? Do not buy their products. Period. Idealization (or otherwise) of Apple is completely pointless: the latter is no better or worse than any other. There are things they do better than the others, the same, or worse. End of story.

    What are you waiting for? Utopia? Wake up.
    • Hamletlere, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1So, how does locking it down tightly and preventing 3rd party apps increase sales?
  • crasher, on 10/10/2007, -2/+3The only thing that still has me really upset is that the iPhone doesn't support bluetooth stereo headsets (a2dp). I have owned three other phones in the past 2 years that all had support for bluetooth stereo headsets. And those phones were only 50 to 100$. I want third party apps and all but most of all I want them to get the basics right.
  • vat0r, on 10/10/2007, -12/+9Far as I'm concerned you can all stick your "cool" iphones where the sun don't shine.
    • RST1123, on 10/10/2007, -1/+5Well, you can shove your laptop where the sun doesn't shine.
      See, I can be an ***** to you for buying something.
    • superkendall, on 10/10/2007, -1/+7I didn't buy it because it was cool. I bought it because it works great. And it still does.
    • diggmaddy, on 10/10/2007, -3/+5I agree with superkendall on this one. I moved to the iPhone from the horrid Windows Mobile. In 1.25 years of owning that, I never felt like touching their email or browser. Operating that phone used to feel like work. Using the iPhone is fun and does not feel like work. You actually enjoy owning one, and not dread having to use one.
  • RST1123, on 10/10/2007, -6/+4I don't want them to start a whole new row of icons of my homepage.
    My phone is not a place for apple to sell me songs. I have that feature on iTunes already. ***** off.
    • arctic, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1Yeah me too, why can't it be a web 2.0 app?
  • sp1nm0nkey, on 10/10/2007, -5/+6Never forget that Apple is a company, okay? Apple does what's best for Apple. They're gonna keep being anal about it until it becomes a problem. Apple hasn't gone Microsoft or evil or anything. Apple is still apple, they're just in bed with a cell phone carrier, and they're producing a very very advanced closed device, something they've never done before, and they're in bed with a cell phone carrier so they could focus on integrating getting the device on the network and registered using iTunes and get visual voice mail working well. That would totally not work if you had to support multiple networks. It also prolly means more money. Money is good for Apple, and the iPhone still does what it says it does on the box, and it's still cool. Get over it.
  • thatsmyaibo, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Apple has always welcomed free and open source apps to OS X. I think they are just being cautious in order to prevent irreversable damage to such a new product. 3rd party apps will come. be patient.
    • senatorpjt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Yeah, and I'll update it, and give them the chance to sell me music, AFTER they start allowing 3rd party apps.
  • gronne, on 10/10/2007, -7/+7The truth is, the iPhone after the update is better than the iPhone you waited in line for and spent $600 on. No one in those lines were buying it for 3rd party apps. There were no 3rd party apps! You're all just experiencing what every person does when they realize how stupid they once were, like thinking how cool MC Hammer pants were. Now that the iPhone is off of the nightly news and no one says "ooh" when you pull it out anymore you're realizing it's just a shiny POS that didn't make you happy or cool like you thought it would. So stop blaming it on 3rd party apps, Steve Jobs put his dick way up your asses and you thought he'd make you cool and interesting for your effort and now you're just a sore-assed douche like you were before.
    • rebotfc, on 10/10/2007, -2/+2***** half the early adopters were getting it for the potential of mobile OS X
  • HanSolo69, on 10/10/2007, -8/+4As a proud non-iPhone user, I'm happy to say that I just submitted and answer (answer 1) thereby throwing off the statistics. I feel I will not be alone in my noble endeavor to give Digg, the iPhone and statistics a big fuuuuucckkkk you.
    • londonista, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2It seems like history is repeating itself. The original Mac was a closed box -- it was Gassee that persuaded Jobs to open it up for expansion as I recall. Jobs could pull the same stunt with the iPod as it was a mere appliance. iPhone on the other hand is a fully-fledged computer albeit in a small form factor -- which is why so many people want third-party apps.

      What people probably don't realise is that Jobs is petrified of security issues -- his nighmare scenario would be a security vulnerability that compromises millions of iPhones that are connected to a wireless network.

      Now of course Java is supposed to run in a sandbox and hopefully prevent such issues -- and is supported on a variety of mobile platforms, even old clunkers like Nokia's S40.

      But Steve harbours antipathy towards Java -- it certainly runs like a dog on my desktop Mac, so it clearly isn't a priority for him.

      If Java isn't an option, Jobs needs to offer the community some kind of SDK that allows people to install third-party apps and minimises vulnerabilities.
  • thesledman, on 10/10/2007, -8/+48I'm sick of the bitching.
    You knew there was no SDK before you paid for your iPhone.
    You knew the phone was LOCKED into AT&T before you paid for your iPhone.
    You knew what features the iPhone had before you paid for your iPhone.
    You knew installing some hacking software could potentially brick your phone.
    Neither Apple, AT&T or Steve Jobs promised or implied that 3rd party programs or unlocks were supported.
    Apple warned you that the experts that actually invented and developed the iPhone noticed the hacked phones in some cases were damaged and might brick on this recent update.
    Whats the problem here? The iPhone is exactly what you purchased, after the 1.1.1 update its actually better then the phone you purchased. If you chose to install some hack you downloaded off the interwebs, void the warranty and end up with a bricked phone then you are to blame.
    • smhill, on 10/10/2007, -1/+9Agreed I am sick of this as well. All of what you said is true. Everyone is acting like Apple just kicked their puppy, when in truth Apple did nothing except enforce exactly what said.

      The problem is that people thought that Apple would some how bless the 3rd party apps. Basically Apple is only guilty of not living up to some folk's expectations.
    • Bansuri, on 10/10/2007, -4/+3Could we just lock the thread now? There is no argument to your comment. ( but I'm sure we'll see some attempts!)
      The iPhone wins the "most uselessly debated cellphone with most flamewars" award.


      Sent from my iPhone.
    • thailand1972, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3Agree with you sledman, but this is still such bad PR for Apple. They are victims of their fanboy base who thought Apple could do no wrong, as in - they are 'down' with the kids, and the iPhone would magically support all their needs and be 'cool' with 3rd party apps. Apple are a business, not some ideology. But you can't win that kind of fanboy kudos, AND then expect no bad publicity when they bricked unlocked phones. Apple can't win here, and their reputation is taking yet *another* knock which I think has cost them dearly. No mistake, this is all bad PR for Apple and it's not even their fault - but that's what you get for baiting the fanboys for so long. You just can't be a business, and at the same time pretend to be some kind of benevolent icon to salivating fanboys. Sooner or later, the money will talk and something must break. We're seeing this happening now.
      • r3zonance, on 10/10/2007, -1/+3THE PHONES AREN'T BRICKED. Just restored to pre-activation state and requiring the AT&T sim to unlock them again.
        • Numbski, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Sorta. The phones that were working just fine on T-Mobile and others will not activate. From what I undestand, a certain number will not unlock AT ALL, even with an AT&T sim, and need to be replaced.

          Just working on accuracy here. :) My phone is still at 1.0.2 and will not be touching iTunes again until such time that I'm certain that 1.1.1 won't re-lock my phone.
    • SirZRX, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1exactly thats why we are bitching bitch!
      • Fitness03, on 10/10/2007, -0/+0Bitching because you were stupid enough to buy a phone who's features you didn't like?
        Or because you hacked it and now with the update it's screwed?
    • xspinkickx, on 10/10/2007, -1/+1no I think people are bitching because I can tell you between an unlocked iphone vs a locked iphone, the unlocked iphone makes the phone worth the price of the iphone. If apple supported the community that is making it product better it would be great, but they aren't I hope the apple fan boys realize that Apple care not for you, ultimately Steve Jobs just wants your money.
    • senatorpjt, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1I bought my iPhone last week, when there were third party apps and the phone was unlockable. However, I also knew that I wouldn't be able to update it. I can deal with that, so I won't be updating it. It's not complicated.
      • atrus80, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Exactly. I'm sure things will get better over time, especially when Apple's contract with AT&T is over, but for now, I don't see the big deal in sticking with 1.0.2, there really wasn't any deal killers with that firmware anyway. Everybody just needs to relax.
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