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- lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+44I love the way this article was written
Jobs: Subscription services are a dumb model for music
Macenstein: OMG!! MOVIES SUBSCRIPTIONS ON iTUNES. NETFLIX KILLER! - GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+29Steve Jobs never said NO to a lot of stuff. He never said NO to free iPhones for everyone, you don't see that happening.
- Arramol, on 10/12/2007, -1/+19Hey, just you wait, they'll announce those next week! Right after the octo-core laptops he also never said no to!
- PhoenixAvatar2, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Except that renting isn't a subscription and this is pure conjecture.
It would be a pretty cool feature though. - lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11The only way I see Apple's current model making sense is if they provide something no one else offers - mainly a repository of movies you can't find anywhere else. iTunes music selection is far greater than any brick and mortar store, and if Apple could duplicate this for movies, I could see how selling near-DVD quality movies would work. Apple is no where near that, but their current deals demonstrate that - Paramount added their back library, not their new releases.
As for new releases, I can't see how Apple thinks they have got a winning idea. Digital distribution is poor medium for collection, and a fantastic medium for rentals. No one wants to build up a collection of great movies on their harddrive - especially DRMed movies. - dimplemonkey, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7double negatives deserve no digg
- Maarek, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I'd like to see how Subscription services have "failed". From my experience the adoption rate of people who aren't using an Ipod is quite high. Just because all the Ipod users are locked into what Steve wants to give them doesn't mean that all other options have failed. That would be a lot like saying OS X has failed because of its very low adoption rate among general PC users. Just because a monopoly serves as a barrier to adoption doesn't mean all other options have failed.
I'm not seeing Napster or Yahoo Music Engine shutting their services down yet and they seem to be making money. I like being able to stream and listen to any song I want when I want (and I don't even have a working player anymore.... long drops are bad for electronics) and I know a lot of others do as well. Plus it isn't like I can't buy the music I want to own and subscribe to all the others I might not. Options FTW (seems to be a general Apple shortcoming in that area). - chrisgeleven, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I agree. For most TV Shows and Movies, you watch them once or MAYBE twice. That is why rentals and services like Netflix are so popular.
It makes no sense to me to buy movies and TV shows off of iTunes right now. I hope they do offer a rental option...combined with AppleTV, that could be very slick. - gooddoggytreat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Heh, just because your girlfriend never said NO to a threesome, doesn't mean you're going to get it.
- grandalf, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Steve, if you're reading this, please do implement a subscription service.
Right now I have to buy music, even if I don't know how much I'll like it. There is so much music out there that I want to explore, and doing so via iTunes costs quite a lot of money. Subscription DRM is great for this, and also removes the need for me to go to the trouble and expense of backing up my iTunes library, which is a major headache.
For movies it's even worse. I only want to watch a movie once, and so paying triple the price of a rental so that I can download a huge file from iTunes and then worry about backing it up is just ludicrous. I don't care about ownership, I just want to pay a few bucks and watch a movie.
The reason Amazon unbox hasn't done better is b/c the technology wasn't tested before it was released and because of the poor selection.
Yes, I own several iPods, but I'd switch to a subscription service like Yahoo's in a hearbeat if there were better music players available for it. I like my iPods. - neutrino15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think that rentals on itunes would be amazing... If it was like $3.99 per view? Yet I don't think iTunes is that interested because they probably think that if people are willing to pay $9.99 for a movie, why charge less? Most movies I will only watch once, yet iTunes forces me to "buy" them for $9.99.... I can't tell if the rental feature would make more money from me though... But I would sure love it!
- Blandyman, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4copy and paste this to the end of your next question, as it seems the key on your keyboard must be broken:
? - neutrino15, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, thats the point... It costs money... They want money... Why would they want you to pay less! Plus, there are many other ways to explore. Here are my favorite ways of exploring before I buy:
Pandora.com (I know that it's similar to radio, yet it tries to play what YOU like!)
Internet radio (like the itunes stations)
Go out with friends, If a song plays that I like, I ask them the title. (or just ask them what's good)
But hey, if we all had zunes, we could all "squirt" music to one another! Yaaaay! - GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5xX[insertname]Xx? Go back to MySpace.
- EclipseMullet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Movie rental would great. I can never be ar**ed to go to Blockbuster. And when you do, you have to worry about Late Back fees etc.
- NextGenXbox, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1He also never said NO to making iTunes a free service! ZOMG teh free mp3z!!!!1
- LeeSoong, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Next iTunes feature:
Upload You 500 DVD collection, with high speed MPEG-4 or High Quality H.264 encoding and compression.
The new AppleTV makes iTunes iEverything - it's time Apple supported uploading your DVDs along with uploading your CDs into your media content library.
Apple can work out a deal with the DVD makers to allow this new feature that every video iPod owner wants. - compgeek7889, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1oh mad dog
- Blandyman, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4@ Shadowstorm:
-snicker- You're so witty! - lieutenantmudd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That's not a double negative.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Guys (apple fans) why are you all so over-excited like always ?
- LeonardNimrod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Since when is reading into what Jobs says (or doesn't say) and reporting Apple fantasies as news.
- GawtMilk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Do us a favor and unplug your keyboard for that time period. The lot of you. Digg really doesn't need any more "In Soviet® Russia®, it blends will!" comments.
- viclovoly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0It ain't gonna happen, Apple won't make big bucks by letting you buy DVDs on your own and then import it to your AppleTV/ipod.
- greatblackowl, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2My friend from Uzbekistan told me a funny joke involving Soviet Russia that applies very well to this article:
What is the difference between the US and the USSR?
In the USSR, if it doesn't say you can, you can't, and in the US, if it doesn't say you can't, you can. Thusly, if Jobs didn't say no to something, he effectively said yes.
I'll be here all week. - viclovoly, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Personally I disagree, online rental has so many advantage over the physical thing, and I don’t think the “physical media” play an important role here, people just want to see the movie, not looking at the DVD itself, the bottom line is that they are not going to own it anyway when they know they are renting it.
Online rental cost you only about an hour to download, while mail delivery takes a much longer . Not to mention the time wasted on waiting those popular DVDs when they are first out, and those disc with scratches all over the place that choke your dvd player real bad.
Remember people are NOT always buying something tangible, people are very much paying for services that they can’t see, like hotel booking, online flight e-tickets, they are all selling services. Movie rental is a service which they are not selling the dvd but let you have the convenience to watch the movie at home for paying less without even leaving your house.
Yes, you can copy those DVDs but that is illegal my friend. - ThinkRad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Quote - ' Jobs said. “The subscription model has failed so far.” ' Failed how, again? Maybe only in sheer customer numbers, but certainly not in the customer satisfaction/ease of use area. Yahoo, Urge, Rhapsody and Zune(sorta) all have subscription music services available. I'm a yahoo music unlimited to go subscriber and have to say I absolutely love it. I think iTunes is a ***** ***** app and should NOT be bundled with Quicktime anymore. Every time there's an update to iTunes, I need to restart my whole machine? ***** that. YMJ updates and only restarts itself. Their model is a ripoff, IMO. I spend $14.95 a month to 'rent' over 2 million songs and take 'em with me on my Zen Micro. Most of my friends spend at least $20/mo on iTunes for....20 songs. Fail. "But you don't OWN the music and you have to re-license all the time...." Do you own the power or the cable or the water that you use every month? No, but you still pay for it. It's really about enjoying what you pay for, right? Relicense? Plug in your mp3 player once a month for 30 seconds. Done. Easy. ***** iPods, ***** iTunes and ***** Apple's hype machine too. They're a great, innovative computer company, but I feel that as a music company they're a bunch of loud-mouthed swindlers.
- archer75, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1A subscription service for music on itunes would be great. They are typically $15/month for all you want. If you buy at least $15/month in music then it is certainly worth it.
If you think buying songs with DRM is "owning" your are sadly mistaken. - SlvrEagle23, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Personally, I think Rhapsody To-Go kicks total ass. I have the peace of mind of getting thousands of guaranteed high-quality tracks without doing anything shady. It may not have the dominant market share against iTunes, but if you compare all the WMA PlaysForSure devices out there vs. the single line of iPods, it seems to make a lot more sense to me. So, I wouldn't necessarily call that a failed idea...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Pure speculation, as it seems with all Apple rumors. Thinking about it, a subscription service would be nice if 1) They drastically increase their selection and 2) when I download it, it's mine (not Apples and I'm just borrowing it, or mine until I end my subscription, mine as in I can do whatever I want with it when its on my computer's hard drive).
- lorductape, on 10/12/2007, -6/+5steve jobs ftw!
- NoOneButMe, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2B-b-but mommy, you never said I _couldn't_ have a cookie ;_;
Seriously though, just because he didn't say it wasn't being done doesn't mean it is being done. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Of course you realize that the 'old movies on dvd' can be picked up in the wal-mart bin for 4.50 each? So lets see, download a copy of some old ass movie off of itunes for 9.99, or but it on dvd and do what ever i want with it, for 4.50...
PS: iTV aka Apple TV, suxxors. - BLACKEAGLE, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1damn that would be cool, but will it ever happen
- dippyskoodlez, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1being dugg down I initially thought you would put shame to the username lorductape, but you proved otherwise.
+1 up - lorductape, on 10/12/2007, -12/+2in soviet russia, movies subscribe to you.
(helloooo bottom of the comments list!) - xXShadowstormXx, on 10/12/2007, -14/+2@lorductape (#6402158)
More like Steve Blowjobs.
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