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- streak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+42Dear Kevin: Why do we have to make mirror posts? Why don't you provide a link to the mirror on every comment page (and for that matter on the main pages, as well)?
- phisquare, on 10/12/2007, -4/+27Yeah, you are the only one.
- sexycommando, on 10/12/2007, -3/+24My brother bought a 13" widescreen Viao because the macbook wasn't powerful enough to play his games. Boy was that a mistake, I've never seen a computer with so many hardware and software problems in my life. Sony makes the absolute worst laptops. It is thinner than my Macbook, but it's definitely more flimsier than those aluminum Macbook Pros.
- JTorquido, on 10/12/2007, -5/+24English *****, do you speak it??
- Platypus3333, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14I'd personally like a laptop that could double as either a shield or a club. That way, when I'm stuck in the jungle and there's no outlet available to recharge my battery, I can still use it to hunt.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -7/+17All I can say is that Apple has definitely lost a part of their market when they discontinued the 12" Powerbook. I was at a scientific conference in Tokyo last month and I saw A LOT of ultra-portables carried around by big shot professors. Just a few years ago at the same conference I still saw quite some guys walking around with their 12" Powerbooks. I guess those guys have switched to lightweight Vaios or similar Windows ultra-portables. The 13" MacBook is just no good replacement. It's a student laptop and nothing a professor can impress his peers with.
It's a pity, because Keynote is the best presentation software out there. - deansfurniture5, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Personally, I would like one that is thin AND durable, but when push comes to shove, I'd much rather have it light and portable than enormous--I don't want to be toting around a 15lb beast just so I can access the internet from my hotel room.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -3/+13Or get a better paid job.
I don't mind spending that money on a laptop. After all I spend more time on it than in my car. - soulonice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8No kidding. People seem to play with a loose definition of what confirmation is. I get tired of unnamed, anonymous sources 'confirming' said products. It ain't confirmed until the company itself announces it.
- tominabox1, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10http://www.duggmirror.com
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8@Amplix:
Maybe you should work on your motor skills and avoid bumping into things or dropping expensive equipment. - msjacoby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Hear! Hear! Good call, streak.
- stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7..but it's from a reliable source!
- donjaime, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6So they are taking the Macbook pro, shrinking it to around 12 inches (and presumably lowering the specs a little), and selling it for 1600-1800.
Isnt that just a Macbook with a nicer GPU? - bolero421, on 10/12/2007, -17/+23I find it a little pathetic that people feel the need to impress their peers by showing off their tools (yes, a computer is a tool). I hold no greater respect for someone who buys a macbook pro in an attempt to draw attention to themselves than someone who buys a H2 with chrome spinners and enough bass to shatter windows.
If you need what is being offered, fine. If you don't and buy it anyway, you're just compensating.
Note that my macbook is covered in scratches and some heavily used keys are a little stained. I don't really care, that doesn't affect my download speeds or image-editing capabilities.
Of course, I guess it could be argued that the majority of people in the "civilized" world are so insecure that they actually do need to have some method of showing off to avoid feeling depressed and unvalued. - Dolomite, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Yeah, and Macscoop has been so reliable in the past...
- DalekoProvidek, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Wow. That's about the most nonsensical rambling I have ever seen. Ever heard of punctuation or grammar? Didn't think so.
- aviazn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6"Oh wait, do you mean that the plastic case isn't sleek enough?"
Yes, that's precisely what he means. One inch bigger doesn't equal better. - jer2eydevil88, on 10/12/2007, -19/+24I hope its not more fragile if they make it thinner... the thing already warps and dents like a cigar box made of aluminum.
- Quix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4It wouldn't be a day that ended with a Y if flag564 wasn't puking his idiotic "comments" all over every Apple digg he can find.
- scstraus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I've actually been holding off on buying a laptop until such a beast comes out. I already have a nice g5 desktop and a work laptop, so I'm not desperate. But I want a mac, and all the ones they have now are too big. I just want a little one to surf the web on while I'm watching tv. So it's good to finally hear some news about one that's the right size coming out.
- PhairOh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I sure hope so, because that's pretty much exactly what I want.
- rtini, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"The 13" MacBook is just no good replacement."
Yeah, the MacBook is only like 4x more powerful than the 12" PowerBook, and its hard drive only has twice the capacity, and it's battery life is only a bit better, ...
Oh wait, do you mean that the plastic case isn't sleek enough? - uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Here's hoping it's well built, and durable as well. I'd also love to see a 12" MBP arrive. I love the MBPs, but they're just so big...for me, personally, I prefer a smaller laptop, although, the size isn't so bad that I'd give up on 'em. They're still outstanding systems, sleek, fast, and can do everything I need on a day-to-day basis...but still, something smaller would be awesome.
- deepsub, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4"Dear Kevin: Why do we have to make mirror posts? Why don't you provide a link to the mirror on every comment page (and for that matter on the main pages, as well)?"
Because we've been asking for months.
YMMV, but in my experience, the dev crew at Digg isn't exactly responsive to user requests -or- complaints.
As long as they can make money ignoring their users, they'll keep ignoring us.
Just like Microsoft. - XStylus, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Uhh, yeah, you are the only one. But fear not, there's a 17" MacBook behemoth for you too.
Although on that note, I'd gladly accept an extra fraction of an inch of thickness in exchange for a removable processor socket. Grrrrr... damn soldered processors. - bolero421, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The MBP has larger screen sizes available, a dedicated graphics card, firewire800, and some form of PCI-Express expansion slot.
- timusca, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Every company has bad 1st gen products... there are issues out there all the time that don't surface until its out in hundreds of thousands of hands. These problems can't be caught by a test group.
- gtlogic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@nonsequitor
Sure you can, I do it all the time. And if the guy next to you complains, the 15" provides good surface area to hit his face. Imagine what you could do with a 17"! - halleyscomet, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@Quix
Ahhh, Flag564 returns to rant about Apple again.
I used to wonder why he/she disliked Apple so much, and then he/she let the reason slip. He/she owns a Mac, and it had some hardware problems. Instead of taking advantage of the warranty or getting it serviced, he/she tossed it into a closet, "Where it happily sits to this day."
Flag564 's a bitter, bitter person who was burned by faulty hardware, and instead of trying to get the hardware fixed, Flag564 has chosen to vent bile about Apple on Digg. - OrangeTide, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I won't be satified until the notebook computer is actually as thin as a notebook. and I am not talking about one of those chubby 5 subject notebooks.
- patience, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8A Day without a Mac Rumor: Is it possible?
Honestly, at this rate, Apple should be releasing a product for everyday in
2007. - Ludwig, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5http://www.toughbook.com/
- scstraus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I want a small and light laptop, and those are almost my only considerations. I'm not going to be wrestling with the thing or throwing it around. I've never broken a laptop physically before and I don't plan to start.
- alexandros, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We just repaired our server, there was a database issue (corrupted table). Lotta trafic to deal with today, sorry about the downtime.
Thank you all for digging! :) - cooleo_no1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think it's to do with adverts or something.
By providing a mirror they are detracting from advertising which the article might draw. Fair enough duggmirror shows the adverts... but I'm sure it's been considered. Considered and then denied =/ - JonForTheWin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I hope it uses an Intel GMA X3000 chip.
- BWhaler, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'd love something like this.
I have the 17" MBP, but I'd also like something ultra portable.
The PROBLEM is, and it's killing Apple slowly, is the quality of Apple's laptops nowadays. Even if this thing comes out in January, you'd need to wait at least one revision, probably two before you had a quality computer.
The 12" PowerBook was this way. The MacBook is on the same track.
I'm a huge Apple guy, but it's getting harder and harder to get excited about their new products since their quality is sliding so fast.
The scary thing is the media is starting to notice. No, not the mainstream folks. But the tech sites are picking up on this trend. (So it is just a matter of time before Uncle Walt Mossberg starts writing about it.) Heck, the Ars Technica article today about it even mentions how much it's going to have to suck to wait a couple of revisions before Apple gets the quality right. - brianez21, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Sources confirm plans for a smaller, ultra-thin form factored MacBook Pro
Submitted by Alexandros Roussos on Mon, 2006-12-04 06:57. (GMT) News & Speculation
MacScoop has obtained reports from sources believed to be very reliable, claiming that Apple is developing a smaller and ultra-thin form-factor MacBook Pro.
The new laptop should be even thinner and weigh less than the current models in the MacBook Pro line-up. In spite of this very tiny and lightweight form-factor, the miniaturized MacBook Pro should keep its built-in optical drive and sport a dual-core processor, providing unequalled size/performance ratio in the PC industry, sources told MacScoop.
As it was claimed in former reports we obtained, Apple should use the 12 inch form factor while the use of "widescreen" a aspect ratio sounds obvious.
Sources added that the exact price tag for this product is not defined yet, but discussions with people who are very well informed on Apple's pricing strategy for current and forthcoming products brought us in the conclusion that Apple's new laptop could be priced in the $1700~$1800 range.
Release timeframe remains the most uncertain point in all the reports we could gather, as no information has filtered from manufacturing sources. Some sources even believe that Apple hasn't yet placed any orders to its suppliers, as the product is said to be in the final stage of its development. Though manufacturers might have kept mouths closed regarding this project, current information makes us believe that the ultra-thin MacBook shouldn't be expected before February 2007.
Back in February of this year, we were the first to report that Apple was working on an ultra-thin 12 inch sized Mac laptop based on the Intel architecture as a replacement of the, now defunct, PowerBook 12 inch. At the same time, most of the Mac-centric publications claimed that Apple would abandon the smallest form factor in the MacBook Pro line-up, in favour of the entry-level 13 inch MacBooks.
Since that first report, some analysts also pointed out that Apple should enter the sub-notebook market next year but provided no details and release timeframe on the products. Moreover, we can note that in a "market share gains strategy" context, Apple could certainly benefit from providing more choice to its customers and widen its target market.
Any further information is welcome and you can be sure that we'll keep you updated if we obtain more details. - aviazn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Yep, those MacBooks sure are a lot bigger than the PowerBook 12"."
Yeah they are--nearly two full inches longer than the PowerBooks, according to the specs you posted.
Sarcasm aside, my point is that the MacBook is a fantastic computer in its own right, but pretending that it fits into the ultraportable category is ridiculous. The 12 in PBs were on the ceiling of that category, and making a computer that's 2 full inches longer than a 12 in laptop means Apple is ceding that ground--a key market in academia--entirely to Sony's TX series and other Windows-based laptops.
Not that I think that's a bad thing for the MacBook--as the original poster said, the MB is a fantastic student laptop, and 13 in is a decent compromise between the classroom and the dorm room. Apple has thrown the student market wide open; they're definitely the most popular new laptops around my campus--but only among the students. What about the professional market? Professors will gravitate towards the MB Pro line, and those come only in 15, 17, even 20 in! As long as Apple doesn't sell a professional-oriented ultraportable, they are definitely losing out on a market in which it has traditionally had a strong presence. - dopyoman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Platypus3333
... And if your lucky enough to have a Sony then you can use it to roast wombats. - rtini, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Yes, that's precisely what he means. One inch bigger doesn't equal better."
LOL I love how my sarcasm is so totally wasted in here.
12" PowerBook: 8.6" x 10.9" x 1.18" -- 4.6lbs
13" MacBook: 8.92" x 12.78" x 1.08" -- 5.2lbs
Yep, those MacBooks sure are a lot bigger than the PowerBook 12". Except that the MacBook is thinner.
The MacBook also demolishes the PowerBook in terms of performance, it comes with more features, a higher resolution screen, longer battery life, and it costs much less. I think they look extremely sleek in black. - scstraus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Well, I've been waiting for a year for this machine, I suppose I can wait another... :(
- aviazn, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Haha, scratch the 20 in MBP in that last post; I was thinking of the 24 in iMac.
- diggerphelps, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1All Apple rumors are ***** until proven otherwise.
- sethkinast, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That, and by linking to duggmirror automatically, Digg would be legitimizing it. Perhaps Digg wants to eventually push its own mirror service rather than keep sending traffic and ad revenue to duggmirror.
- elroy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I agree, it does feel kinda flimsy. The core2duo feels a little more sturdy, but i'd still be nervous to carry it in a non-rigid case. Currently I carry it in a zero halliburton laptop case. It's well protected!
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I guess you don't get my point. This isn't news. It's a new screen size, ooohhh, aaahhhh. It's not groundbreaking; what would be was if this thing was a tablet and/or priced closer to $1000.
And for the two people who commented on me: One, I have no problem dropping large sums on money on anything (boys must have their toys); and two, I generally adore Apple products (60G 4G, 1G Shuffle, Airport Extreme (and Express), 17" MBP, 14" iBook, every Apple app under the sun). But there comes a point that you have to draw the line as to what is and isn't news. iPhone rumors? Alright, sure. Tablet rumors? Why not. New iPod models? Of course. But a new screen size on an existing product line? Enough already. - 4joe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Link not working? Other source?
^^^ thanks - mfratt, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4I use the Thinkpad X60, solid hardware and plenty of power for my needs. No flashy lights, no "show off" crap, or anything like that. I love it when someone points to their PII thinkpad and tells me that I have the same computer as them.
Really though, I think that Apple has the 3rd best hardware on the market in terms of laptops (Lenovo Thinkpad > HP Business Notebooks > Apple) -
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