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- johndi, on 11/26/2008, -4/+116What else would you expect? Apple needs Google more than Google needs Apple.
- Darkspam004, on 11/27/2008, -7/+72Wait a minute, large companies don't have to follow the same laws that I do? When did this happen?
- enivid, on 11/27/2008, -3/+51Apple Board of Directors
Bill Campbell
Chairman and former CEO
Intuit Corp.
Millard Drexler
Chairman and CEO
J. Crew
Albert Gore Jr.
Former Vice President of the United States
Steve Jobs
CEO, Apple
Andrea Jung
Chairman and CEO, Avon Products
Arthur D. Levinson, Ph. D.
Chairman and CEO
Genentech
Dr. Eric Schmidt
CEO
Google
Jerry York
Chairman, President and CEO
Harwinton Capital - jojopumpkin, on 11/27/2008, -3/+47I think Google has more lawyers too.
- streak, on 11/27/2008, -4/+34What's wrong with Apple striking up separate, special agreements with companies? I'm sure if you were willing and able to pay them enough money, Apple would strike up an agreement with you, too.
- Ruefus, on 11/27/2008, -2/+31Rules....not laws. If Apple doesn't want to enforce their rules - they don't have to.
- miggyb, on 11/27/2008, -4/+33I don't know about you, but I sure as hell wouldn't stand up against Google. Have you guys seen Google in it's pure, transhuman form?
It exists as a four-dimensional shape-shifting robot that runs purely off the natural curiosity of people. When angered, it causes the contraction of magnetic fields so that solar flares penetrate the earth and completely dissolve anything living, much like the latest xkcd comic shows. It knows no mercy or compassion and will not hesitate to jump into the fourth dimension, re-appear inside of your body and use your corpse to present ads to your surviving friends and family.
And their lawyers? Don't even get me started on their lawyers.
http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=phoenix+wright - IphtashuFitz, on 11/27/2008, -1/+24What really sucks about this sort of favoritism is that it can really hurt innovation by other companies. I've used a speech app from a company called Vlingo on Blackberrys which is much more powerful than the Google voice-enabled iPhone app. It'll let you do web searches, etc just like the Google app, but it also goes far beyond and lets you dictate entire e-mail or SMS messages. I've heard that Vlingo has been working on an iPhone version of their app but they're somewhat stuck because Apple restricts access to the functionality required to hook into things like mail/SMS. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Apple provides access to such hooks to companies like Google while ignoring small startups like Vlingo...
- digitaldivinci, on 11/27/2008, -7/+30Considering they were initial developers, what with the Maps application, I would be willing to say yes they are exempt. I would rather they crack down on Joe Blow for breaking rules rather than cracking down on the brilliant think tank at Google.
- hamobu, on 11/27/2008, -10/+29Apple: "Hey Google, did you use the forbidden API on an iPhone?"
Google: "Yeah, so?"
Apple "Well you are not supposed to use them so..."
Google: "EXCUSE ME!"
Apple: "....I'm sorry I did not mean that"
Google: "now you pissed me off, and you know what that means"
Apple: "Oh please don't do that!"
Google: "Too late! Now drop your pants and turn around!"
Apple: "Oh God no!"
Google: "Drop them pants now boy!"
...
Google: "Who's your daddy?"
Apple: "You are, SIR!"
...
Google: "SAY MY NAME!"
Apple: "GOOGomomom"
... - vishna, on 11/27/2008, -3/+22If Apple tries to force Google to obey market rules Google can just pull down all their apps. It suffices as a strong negotiation position - even stronger now as Android phones started to hit the market.
- inactive, on 11/27/2008, -1/+17Dr. Eric Schmidt
CEO
Google
lol owned - LeonFlux, on 11/27/2008, -1/+15You said "anal..."
- FreddieD, on 11/27/2008, -1/+12The problem is that the App Store is the *only* place where you can get apps (without jailbreaking). When someone found a workaround to sell it's app outside of the app store, they closed it.
If my grocery store down the street chooses to not sell my favorite brand of cereal that's perfectly fine as it's their business decision to do so. But, i'm not forced to get my groceries from that store. - jamaph, on 11/27/2008, -6/+15It's ok though...
1) It's Google
2) They are an original developer
3) www.google.com ---- cool site to check out
4) It's Google - tensvb, on 11/27/2008, -3/+12thanks god Apple doesn't have monopoly
- inactive, on 11/27/2008, -1/+10You have the ***** ugliest most ***** retarded website ever.
- cowboy77061, on 11/27/2008, -0/+9I'm not complaining.
- Darkaged, on 11/27/2008, -2/+11They prefer Risk.
- wedderburn, on 11/27/2008, -1/+9apple is a public company, they have share holders.
- eadnams, on 11/27/2008, -1/+9What about the youtube app? Google converted its files to h.264 specifically for the iphone.
- henismightier, on 11/27/2008, -0/+7Who cares? Seriously. It's not like some huge atrocity was committed.
- gcnaddict, on 11/27/2008, -1/+7"No one was stopping another dev from using these "secret" calls..."
App store rules explicitly prohibit using undocumented APIs. - z3r0c0O1, on 11/27/2008, -1/+7Google has too much money and too many smart people to ***** with.
- Jeepinator, on 11/27/2008, -0/+5These aren't laws being broken. Google and Apple are breaking rules laid down by Apple themselves, so it just doesn't matter. I don't even know why all this is an issue.
- inactive, on 11/27/2008, -2/+7"Forbidden APIs" - whatever. If you can access it, you can use it.
- MrIcee, on 11/27/2008, -6/+11Aloha Diggers:
These reports are simply not accurate. While it is true that the terms specifies that use of undocumented calls will get your app rejected - for the most part Apple is specifying that you can not use any Private Frameworks. However, if you use an undocumented call from a Public Framework, your app will not be rejected for that reason.
Apple discourages using undocumented calls from Public Frameworks because the call may change or disappear in future OS/firmware releases, causing rewriting/reworking issues for the developer (and perhaps broken apps for the users).
For example, in "iPhone Developers Cookbook" by Erica Sadun (TUAW) - Erica outlines a number of undocumented calls from the Public Frameworks, that are useful. She also points out the same issues as above.
The call that people are suggesting that Google used, is the one for detecting proximity of the iPhone to the head. This is an undocumented call in a Public Framework. The call blanks the display while the phone is held to the head. However, if you compare how making a phone call works (in terms of blanking the display) and how the Google app works (hmmm, it doesn't blank the display) - Google is probably only using the accelerometer calls, which are documented, to tell when the handset is in a 'speaking position' (for example, instead of holding it to your head, hold it in front of your mouth - works great too).
Nothing to see here... moving on.
Mahalo nui loa! - beerwench, on 11/27/2008, -2/+6i heard that steve jobs drinks the blood of those who whine about his products...
- madk, on 11/27/2008, -1/+5Doesn't Apple actually develop the Google apps for the iPhone?
- championchap, on 11/27/2008, -1/+5Woot!
I actually have the application with the knife in it!
It was called Slasher, and it plays the classic horror noise DUN DUN DUN! when you shake the phone.
I scared the life out of my girlfriend with it when she was sleeping.
I love that app! - ravage86, on 11/27/2008, -1/+5source?
- ravage86, on 11/27/2008, -1/+4http://digg.com/settings/topics
- LocalDocal, on 11/27/2008, -1/+4And the shareholders only cares that Apple makes money. Here's a clue: No one ever buys stocks in a company in order to force them to act nice.
- punkcat, on 11/27/2008, -0/+3at least one google member is on the board of directors at Apple.
- JustinPM, on 11/28/2008, -0/+3With Youtube and Google Maps built in, I'm sure they had access to stuff that the normal app developers had in the first place. Apple getting antsy about it could lead Google to just say eff it and pull all of their apps. Or keep the apps and change the code so it doesn't work.
- vawksel, on 11/27/2008, -3/+6I disagree, if they are pre-installed then fine, but if they are sitting in the apple store with everyone else, they should follow the same rules.
- Hamletlere, on 11/27/2008, -4/+6First off, the "workaround to sell it's app outside of the app store" is not a workaround. It was using "ad-hoc distribution provisioning profiles". Each profile can have up to 100 devices listed under it, and Apple has to approve each and every device that is added to a profile. So their "workaround" was causing more work at Apple.
Second, the iPhone is the equivalent of your grocery store. You are not forced to buy the iPhone, nor apps for the iPhone. No one is forcing you to do this. In fact, it would be more akin to a Sam's Club membership. You pay upfront (purchasing the iPhone), and then get to shop among the products it chooses to carry (the apps). No one is in an uproar that Sam's Club refuses to carry a particular product.
Finally, with all that said, I wish there WAS an alternative distribution method. I don't think Apple SHOULD have rejected the podcast app mentioned above. Perhaps that shows there is a market for a non-Apple pocket computer. - IphtashuFitz, on 11/28/2008, -0/+2Hate to burst your bubble, but they do use the proximity sensor and not the accelerometer. Try this with the Google app:
Hold your phone out and move it in an upward motion as if you were moving it up to your ear. Only don't move it anywhere near your ear, just recreate the motion but away from your body. It won't trigger the app.
Now hold the phone so that it faces you, but tilt it vertically with a slight tilt so it's in the position that it would be if you were making a call. Without moving the phone at all, hold your other other hand up very close to the top of the phone and it'll launch the app.
So the app doesn't trigger if you recreate the motion a distance from your ear, but it does trigger if you hold the phone perfectly still and place your other hand near the top of the phone. That's pretty clear proof that it's the proximity sensor and not the accelerometer that's being used for this app. - inactive, on 11/28/2008, -0/+2Yup. Still unchecked.
I still have to see 'Oh look at me, i've a superiority complex! I'mma mac!'.
If it WAS checked, I certainly wouldn't be bitching. I of course checked the settings first. I realize that it's your first instinct to attack someone's intelligence, being that you're a mac and need to feel better about yourself somehow. However, that being said - it's unchecked. :(
I don't get any car news. so something is a rye. - so1omon, on 11/27/2008, -0/+2You must be new here.
- vawksel, on 11/27/2008, -1/+3If that scared your girlfriend, you must be a pedophile, stop dating 6 year olds.
- nevskyh0, on 11/27/2008, -1/+2This is hardly surprising - the AppStore is far from a level playing ground - all the developers are prone to random applications of Apple's inconsistent, untransparent rules .... but companies with clout (EA, Google etc) can of course apply pressure to get around some of the more stupid ones - Apple got a lot of stick about delaying Google's app so of course are now likely to pander them. Small developers' apps can get stuck in approval for weeks without any feedback as to why, or rejected for all sort of arbitrary reasons, and there's simply nothing for them to do.
But as long as there's no viable competition (Blackberry Storm, Android, Samsung Omnia - all nowhere near yet), I wouldn't expect things to change hugely. - hardeep1singh, on 11/27/2008, -3/+4Google: "Who's your daddy?"
Apple: "You are, SIR!"
Comment of the day!! - ravage86, on 11/27/2008, -0/+1This is in the Apple section, if it is unchecked, it will not show up for you. This isn't the community's fault, it is properly categorized.
- shinew, on 11/29/2008, -0/+1it's not "laws", it's apples "rules".
- MWeather, on 11/28/2008, -0/+1I can buy Wii disks, and Xbox disks. I'm sure iPhone developers would love to be able to distribute on physical media.
- surferjoemaui, on 11/28/2008, -0/+1Eh, you da kine?
How you stay?
Hana ho! - inactive, on 11/27/2008, -1/+2Yah, which would be AWESOME if the digg community wasn't ***** retarded.
I of course have the Apple area unchecked.
Yet I still get this.
***** *****. - Jeepinator, on 11/27/2008, -1/+2It's not laws, this is a terms of service. Hacking someone's cell phone account would be a felony.
- gann, on 11/28/2008, -1/+2hypocritic
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