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- iSeven, on 11/21/2008, -6/+40Ballmer endangers Microsoft
- adhavan87, on 11/21/2008, -17/+50hmmm....Another Vista Bashing article
- DeathRay2K, on 11/21/2008, -13/+45Snow Leopard isn't going to make a difference to Vista.
Most people don't know, let alone care, about new Mac OS releases.
On the other hand, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who uses a computer who doesn't know about Vista. - Dinsdale77, on 11/21/2008, -25/+45A jar of old urine could endanger Vista.
- bentman78, on 11/21/2008, -1/+20I've been running Vista for a year now. I admit, at first it sucked...and it sucked really bad.
With SP1 and the other updates I haven't had a problem at all. My machine has never crashed, never stopped responding and has never had issues. In fact I haven't had to rebuild it since I did the first initial install.
My machine is nice, but not a monster, just an Intel Dual Core and 4 gigs of RAM which seems to be standard on new builds now. I've been running TF2, Bioshock, Crysis and now CoDWAW and all your other general apps.
I can appreciate what Apple and Mac OS X has to offer. I don't think it's a bad OS or platform, a little overhyped, but not bad at all. I don't feel Snow Leopard is a threat to Windows Vista and never will be. Let's be honest, Apple doesn't have anything to compete with MS or Linux in the enterprise market, and we know which way the home consumer market leans. - sprint84, on 11/21/2008, -5/+19This article endangers my intelligence
- KarlH, on 11/21/2008, -4/+18I see you are familiar with Pissta.
- LanceUppercut, on 11/21/2008, -10/+24When I can run it on standard hardware that I piecemealed together, let me know.
- Hellman109, on 11/21/2008, -12/+24Notice that Apple sells like 3 day old ass smell outside of the US though?
Hence why Apple Fanboys will ONLY ever quote US figures, because they are skewed.
And until Apple is a competitor in business desktops, which it isnt even close too, it will never take over from Microsoft, ever. - hiro, on 11/21/2008, -6/+17Yes, Snow Leopard does endanger Vista, I'll certainly be installing it on my Windows machines as well as my Macbook
Oh wait... - nonymous666, on 11/21/2008, -5/+15"GM chief techie Fred Killeen has even said the auto giant may choose to skip Windows Vista and wait for Windows 7, due in 2010 or 2011"
I bet GM will be skipping A LOT of things in 2010 / 2011. - Ramble, on 11/21/2008, -1/+10iPods are popular here, but Macs are definately not. Not even university students have many Macs - it's all PC here.
- sirbeta, on 11/21/2008, -3/+12As someone who has used Vista for about 8 months now, it does exceed my expectations, especially with what I'd heard of it thus far. It had a rocky start, but most negativity now is pretty unsubstantiated. Seriously anyone with a 3 year old machine can run it comfortably. Driver support is pretty good, I've not had it crash/lockup/become unstable, uac can be turned off if people really give a *****. Haven't had any program compatibility issues, Aero looks nice (step up from Playskool Luna). SP1 was great. Granted, it should have run like SP1 from the get go and that I will hold Microsoft at fault. It's not a terrible OS. Not the best for laptops, but that's another matter altogether.
- davidwasman, on 11/21/2008, -1/+9No, I didn't:
"Something about how few games there are on Macs" - opticwind, on 11/21/2008, -1/+9I live in Japan and there are a LOT of Mac users.
- exeprime, on 11/21/2008, -8/+16Yeah, right.
- theguynextdoor, on 11/21/2008, -7/+15Microsoft endangers Vista.
- tvblogcan, on 11/21/2008, -2/+10This has to stop! It's starting to get silly. Vista is good for some reasons, and OSX is good for others. The problem is Microsoft have a bad reputation, but in most aspects Apple should have the same level, if not worse. Afterall at least Microsoft coded there entire Operating system...
- Rufunki, on 11/21/2008, -3/+11Will apple allow OSX to run on any intel box, no. End of story, OSX is no threat to windows.
- davidwasman, on 11/21/2008, -0/+7Just an FYI - Comments like yours are why Apple users get a bad rap. To each their own. Some people like Chocolate and others like Vanilla. Doesn't mean either party is wrong.
- dixhuit, on 11/21/2008, -6/+13'Welcome' screen adverts are never welcome. Buried.
- Albumen, on 11/21/2008, -1/+8You can twist the figures by structuring the questions, or prescreening to get the answers you want.
- MarkusDee, on 11/21/2008, -2/+9Vista is fine ... well at least since SP1, but there is no reason to upgrade your computer to it. If, however, when you buy a new computer and it comes with vista then I think you would be foolish to downgrade to xp like some suggest or do. Oh yeah, and in my opinion it is the best looking windows yet.
- JustSomeDood, on 11/21/2008, -0/+6You hit the nail on the head there. I"m not much into bashing Microsoft I use their products everyday at work and earn a decent living at it, so I can't bash them. But This Ballmer guy, there's just something about him that grates my last nerve.
IMHO I think Microsoft would be better served with a CEO who is younger, more in tune with where technology is at and more of a visionary. It seems like Microsoft is always playing catchup with everyone else. - DotNetWill, on 11/21/2008, -12/+18"The company grabbed 20.1% of the U.S. retail market in October" I've seen that figure before and it relates to Laptops in North America.
Yet more proof figures can twisted to prove anything - davidwasman, on 11/21/2008, -17/+23After this comment will be the following:
Apple bashing
Questions about the validity of the writer's credentials
More Apple bashing
Obligatory 4chan reference
Numerous 'Vista works fine for me. I've never had an issue' replies
Even MORE Apple bashing
Sarcastic remark about one button mice
Something about how few games there are on Macs
And one brave soul who dares speak positive about Apple getting dugg down into oblivion - DeathRay2K, on 11/21/2008, -4/+10Since you're obviously an Apple fanboy I understand that you cannot see how deeply biased the article is, but based on the fact that this even made front page, you should know that Digg has an anomalously high Apple user ratio, so you really have no reason to complain.
- kinerry, on 11/21/2008, -3/+9you can't twist the figures, you can only twist the conclusions
- rgersmrk, on 11/21/2008, -2/+8Buried for being a douche laden Vista bashing article with no real facts.
- dagr8tim, on 11/21/2008, -3/+8Vista works fine for me. No issues, but I jumped on that wagon after SP1.
Also, atleast with Vista I can still play Doom without an emulator from my original disks. When was the last time a mac could run circa 1994 software without emulation? - init100, on 11/21/2008, -5/+10"On the other hand, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who uses a computer who doesn't know about Vista."
But what will they know? They will know that it sucks, whether it's actually true or not. I don't know if that so much better than not knowing about Snow Leopard. - Angostura, on 11/21/2008, -1/+5As an Apple user, I think you are exactly right. The vast majority of people are happy enough with Windows and it does the job for them. Until now, they've been content with getting the latest and greatest version of Windows as it came along or was bundled on their new machines.
Vista changed that for some people, due to a mixture of technical and marketing mis-steps. I don't personally think Snow Leopard has anything to do with people thinking about switching - that was all MS's doing. - Elranzer, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4Snow Leopard would only endanger Vista if Apple is suddenly going to sell it for general PC installations.
It's not like there's anyone in the world right now saying "Holy crap! Snow Leopard is out soon, I've got to buy a Mac right now!!" - inactive, on 11/21/2008, -0/+4It should read This article Insults my intelligence!
- majortom1981, on 11/21/2008, -2/+6Do any of these articles state how many of these MACS are running vista in bootcamp and not osx?
- inactive, on 11/21/2008, -4/+8riight, that's why apple stocks are tumbling back to pre-2007 levels. buried.
- knute5, on 11/21/2008, -1/+4It was like that three years ago in the US. iPods, then iPhones, then laptops ... Apple moves in like that now. The only thing missing from the equation is a cheap tower.
- davidwasman, on 11/21/2008, -3/+6err...what article are YOU reading? No one spends 10 hours to get OS X running on PC hardware. You load the OS like any other. Put the disc in and set it up.
- Zippo, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3I have to agree... MS' problems are not with the developers... it's with upper management stifling development.
I'm sure the actual programmers want to create a good product, but all Balmer and his goons care about is making cash. - damack, on 11/21/2008, -5/+8It's a puzzle why anybody would bash an operating system that met all expectations and in fact exceeded consumer expectations of a great OS without any problems or glitches.
- JasonCox, on 11/21/2008, -1/+4This is the part where I bring up the fact that the #1 buyer of boxed copies of Windows Vista are Mac owners, right?
- DotNetWill, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3The key there though, the guy is saying Snow Leopard endangers Vista and GM are talking about going to Win7 and that has nothing to do with Snow Leopard. Personally, I think this shows the shaky ground the author is on.
- cquinnd, on 11/21/2008, -0/+3Vista didn't really change that for people, but I would say the greater amount of reporting and online discussion of Vista did.
Vista (imho) got pretty much the same reception when it was released that XP got back in 2002. Most people took a wait and see approach, except for early adopters who tended towards strong opinions of whether they liked it, or hated it, based on expectations and experience. Back then those opinions came out as a slow stream and people had more time to evaluate each review and come to their own conclusion.
Compared to now, when reviews about Beta features that were not garaunteed to be in the final release, colored opinion even before the reviewers actually got to use the OS in real situation.
MS did make some technical and marketing mis-steps in bringing Vista out, but they also made many technical improvements and a few moves that showed they were at least listening to marketing feedback.
- jamesmcm, on 11/21/2008, -1/+4brainboy77 has clearly never used an iMac. The amazing wide-screen super-bright and clear monitor with all the components built in and runs absolutely silently, not to mention the great keyboard, really justify the price in my opinion. That said I got 12% discount so it really made it a comparable price.
- jamesmcm, on 11/21/2008, -1/+3Macs are very popular here (in the UK0. I'm typing this from a new iMac myself.
- christor, on 11/21/2008, -0/+2I'm glad this comment is at the top. I'm a longtime Apple user - but one who wants very much to see healthy competition in the marketplace. While windows is still "dominant," in some sense, its brand has been severely tarnished and it increasingly is losing out to Apple among more and more target consumer groups.
The problem is Ballmer. Like Steve Jobs said back in the 90s - he has no taste. He lacks the purity of vision that has allowed Apple to dominate pretty much any market it chooses to compete in. Microsoft lurches from market to market, wringing out market share based on its size and waning market power. But many of its products suck - badly - and not because its engineers lack talent. As IT departments wane in power to dictate purchasing (as regular employees become better informed about what they can and should expect from software and computing in general), Microsoft will lose its power to make money by shoveling garbage into a product space.
Ballmer should have been fired years ago. - seltaeb4, on 11/21/2008, -3/+5@LanceUppercut: "Devoting 10 hrs to get an operating system running isn't my idea of fun."
Did a Win/Lin user ACTUALLY just say that?
Let's repeat it for all of the kids at home:
@LanceUppercut: "Devoting 10 hrs to get an operating system running isn't my idea of fun."
And yet how much more time than that have you wasted on Windows and/or Linux?
Excuse me, I need to go now. I'm going to die from laughing... XD - seltaeb4, on 11/21/2008, -0/+2cquinnd:
That's *exactly* why I use OS X. I don't want to spend hour after hour putzing around to get my computer to get it to function. I have one expectation of an OS: that it work.
I think you're missing the point... some guy bemoans OS X because he believes, incorrectly, that he can't "run it on standard hardware that I piecemealed together," then when advised to Google "Hackintosh," he retorts, "devoting 10 hrs to get an operating system running isn't my idea of fun."
As you said, "just because someone is a Win/Lin user does not mean they always want to tinker with their OS." My point is by choosing Win/Lin, they don't have a choice: they're stuck tinkering with it whether they want to or not, just to get their system to function.
Whether using Win or Lin, he's no doubt wasted hundreds of hours of his life getting and keeping those OSes running, albeit likely for very different reasons in either case. - ghast, on 11/21/2008, -4/+6hate to break it to all the windows fanboys out there, but the windows dominance figure you like to throw around is incredibly misleading. 90% of windows installations are years old. These don't actually indicate what people will buy when they finally decide to get a new machine.
And if you look at the relevant figures of new machine sales you see that vista isn't doing all that spectacular, and it's nearly as far ahead of apple as many of you would like to believe.
I frankly don't understand why you think that's a bad thing. Competition is good people, if windows had 40% of the market and the rest was split between osx and Linux, it would be better for YOU. If you like windows you'd be the one who benefits, because it would force microsoft to really compete.
So you as a customer and user of windows should be cheering for other operating systems gaining a significant foothold, so that your os improves. - inactive, on 11/21/2008, -2/+4Because that's exactly what people will do in a recession when money is tight, drop £1000 on a mac.
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