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Shiira 2.0 Released

shiira.jp — Version 2.0 of Shiira was released today. Shiira is a web browser based on Web Kit and written in Cocoa. The goal of the Shiira Project is to create a browser that is better and more useful than Safari. All source code used in this software is publicly available.

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  • erkayae, on 10/12/2007, -7/+57By the power of grayskull!
    • Mephux, on 10/12/2007, -16/+2^^ Wtf?

      Anyways, we need 1Passwd support for Shiira!
    • magicmarc, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Great browser. Well done those guys, hope to see it go well.
    • wedges, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15if this thing gets adblock, i might switch
    • mancat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11It's She-Ra though... But I got it.
    • fkr3, on 10/12/2007, -14/+7A browser better than Safari? Hasn't that already been achieved?
    • Vision2098, on 10/12/2007, -9/+1@mancat
      HURRRRRRRRRR~~~ *drool*
    • roosterjm2k2, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7FF is better than safari...

      Safari had the potential...but they screwed it up... the KHTML engine is nearly flawless, yet even though safari supposedly uses it, pages still render wrong in safari that render perfect in Konqueror...

      Aside from that, you will never topple safari. Its included with the OS ... which is funny, because its Evil of MS to do that, but not Apple...interesting...

      I wish firefox could actually convince MS and Apple to include FF as the default browser...Neither IE or Safari turn a profit...you would think it would be more cost efficient to include a 3rd party tool rather than develope a free one yourself.
    • DPimp1262, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3roosterjm2k2

      Actually if safari is anything like firefox in the way it's google search works then it actually does make a profit every time someone searches for something using the built in search and then clicks on a google ad.
    • droversoul, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7At first I thought it said Shinra. Lousy Rufus...
    • homeless123, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Looks great
    • kethraal, on 10/12/2007, -2/+19"which is funny, because its Evil of MS to do that, but not Apple...interesting..."

      Now I know you're trolling, but I'll respond anyways because... what the hell... it's 2:30 PM and it's better than work:

      MS got in trouble not for including IE with the OS, but for tying it into the core of the OS. If you removed IE, you effectively crippled the OS (at least until we figured out how to hack it out.) The point is, they tried to make it impossible to remove from the core OS.

      Mac OS X is nothing like that. Safari.app is an application bundle, just like all the other pre-installed apps. If you remove it from your Applications folder, then that's it -- it's gone.

      I have no problem with a company including a seperate product of theirs with another product of theirs. I do have a problem with them merging the two, and forcing the purchase of one with the other.

      Big difference.
    • virtualball, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2roosterjm2k2, I hate to break it to you, but you're all wrong. As said before, nobody is forcing you to use Safari, but for MS, IE will be necessary to run Windows. Also, if you knew anything about what you are saying, Safari runs on WebKit, the Cocoa framework for surfing the internet.
  • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -5/+17Definitely a beautiful app. This is one of the big things we OS X users love - the high quality of third-party apps. I look forward to putting Shiira through its paces.

    Love the full-screen browsing, but one thing I'd like to see: a way to type in a URL while in full-screen mode. If there's a way to do this, someone please let me know how. If there's not, how about a little translucent address bar that pops up with Command-L? That would be a nice enhancement.
    • eihwaz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Move your mouse to the very top of the screen, it will show the menu bar and a basic address bar.

      And I'm posting this comment using Shiira :)

      EDIT. Oh well, someone has already replied, sorry.
    • aplardi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What about all the features we are so used to from the previous versions of Shiira though.

      Examples

      Awesome retractable sidebar.

      Using Command and Shift buttons to control your actions opening in a new tab, in foreground or background.
  • spiderroll, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29You can type in a URL in full-screen mode by moving your cursor to the top of the screen... a little translucent address bar, actually.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Ah, thanks for pointing that out (and I'm not sure why someone dugg you down for that, maybe for the mis-threaded reply?). Now if they could just tie that feature to Command-L also....
  • clesch, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5It's pretty, but it does seem awfully slow compared to the latest webkit svn to me - especially when opening an uncached site for the first time.
    Other than that and a few other quirks (hitting tab in the address bar doesn't default your caret to google, instead it will choose the first toolbar icon right of the address bar - you have to rearrange the toolbar to get safari's behavior) it's quite impressive. I love the tab-expose for example.
  • ChicknBot, on 10/12/2007, -12/+5I read too fast, ....this is not a story about Shakira.
  • RomeyRome, on 10/12/2007, -0/+16I was all like "OOOHHH" at first, but the novelty of it wore off pretty quickly.
  • flap, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Tab expose is a great new idea.
    • kodek, on 10/12/2007, -21/+5Not new. Internet Explorer 7 has something very similar to it.
    • MadOtaku, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Shiira has had it, in beta at least, for at least 6 months. Maybe even a year.
    • DocDEB, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3I believe OmniWeb has this or something very similar for > a year.
    • roosterjm2k2, on 10/12/2007, -3/+15MY BROWSER HAD IT BEFORE YOUR BROWSER

      NANA NANA BOO-BOO

      sounds like first grade guys, who the hell cares who had it first, its a good feature. End of story.
    • ggko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2> Shiira has had it, ... for at least 6 months.

      Much longer, I haven't used Shiira in well over a year and I recall the feature being in there. (v1.2.1 is on my HD, last opened 1/22/06)
  • mrfx2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1seems kind of slow but the looks is great!
  • Dezik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5anyone know how to make it stop taking my whole screen up every time I hit the zoom button (green button)?
  • mrfx2, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8seems very broken
    go to you tube and close a tab wow you still get sound
    ive had like 15 javascript errors also.
    expose windows have no frames
    i wish the app worked better though.
  • mlw4428, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6What's wrong with Firefox? Just curious...
  • Jorlwind, on 10/12/2007, -2/+12Shiira is good, but I still like Webkit better. A little bit snappier, and the extra Shiira features don't really attract me.
    Here's some photobucket screens.


    (Yes, I know that they'll go down, but its too late to go register an account somewhere else. I'm tired as hell. You can take them and host them under your account since Shiira project managers haven't updated their screenshot gallery)
    http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o89/jorlwind/Picture3-2.png
    http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o89/jorlwind/Picture2-1.png
    http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o89/jorlwind/Picture1-9.png

    On a third note, I don't exactly approve of a release that has, "We know that Shiira 2.0 still has some problems. We are working for them, and you can get fixed version via Appcasting technologies embed in Shiira 2.0." written in the announcement.
    • caliform, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Eh, sorry to break your bubble, but 'Webkit' is an open-source rendering engine. Safari and Shiira are both based on Webkit.
    • iigloo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Yes, but he's talking about the WebKit Nightly Builds. http://nightly.webkit.org/
  • chrismcelligott, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10It's still extremely incomplete and unstable, not chance in hell would I switch from Camino at the moment let alone Safari. Why the developers decided to go 2.0 already I don't know
    • ApplCmptrDood, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2It was probably taking a lot more time than expected, and to appease people they released it with some bugs in the works.
    • terevos, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Release early, release often. That's one of the OSS models. There's bugs - you can go fix 'em yourself. :-)

      I'm not saying it's the best strategy - but it's fairly common.
  • HsoKinees, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2nice project name :S
  • Septimus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+11Ouch, it's as broken as the beta... they shouldn't have released this as 2.0 yet.
  • therearenorules, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've been waiting all this time... to be disappointed. :(
  • lowesch, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Liked the first look but then the sour taste of not being able to use CMD+N to switch between tabs annoyed med... why is it so hard :/
  • leexy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Shira is Arabic for Cannabis.
    • caliform, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Actually, 'Shisha', what you mean when properly set to English, means 'Water Pipe'. Not in the bong sense either.
    • ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1There is a high sugar containing turkish drink named "Sira" which is spelled exactly as Shira too.

      Interesting really.
  • jazzyjayx, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3They really need to hire a native English speaker to go clean up their website. That site is full of Engrish!

    "This one is absolutely new version."
    "Since Shiira 2.0 has many new features, it was hard to prepare introduction page. We are now making them, but you do not need to wait them."
    "We are working for them, and you can get fixed version via Appcasting technologies embed in Shiira 2.0."
  • taalatribe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Hey, anyone know how to user agent spoof on shiira 2? On normal shiira it was pretty simple but can't find the setting on 2. Need it for my access my uni's course stuff (they only support ie and firefox but have been spoofing it with shiira 1 for about a year now with no probs).
  • MajorMauser, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Still has some Japanese text in it. It Crashes...over all I like Shiira but it still needs some work
  • ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It is open source effort as far as I can see from web page, you should report the issues to them.

    More choice is always good btw.
  • FantoMelt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Still loads of bugs, they shouldn't have come out and said this was a final if they really wanted to start this project back up again. I'm excited to see what's down the road, but this is unfortunately half baked. Shiira project is somewhere to look for a better Safari in the future.
  • garageillusion, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3RSS support is really important to me, and so far I haven't found anything that beats Firefox's "Sage" add-on. When I need to hop online and find something really fast though, I use Safari.

    Shiira's RSS layout is very pretty (as well as their icon) but the shortest amount of update intervals that you can set is 1 hour. (no good for digg).

    In summary: Firefox (on mac) is bloated as hell, but makes up for it with its add-ons. Safari is nice and fast, but lacks just a few things that I need. Shiira is pretty, and someday in the future will be a nice mac browser.

    Can I get an amen if you are a mac user and find the need to use more than one browser? (excluding development testing).


    • crammaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I've used Shiira, Firefox, Safari, Opera, SunriseBrowser, OmniBrowser and Camino. I find they all work well and all look very nice, especially Shiira 2.0

      But I agree with you whole heartedly on Firefox and its add ons. On no other browser can I find everything I have on firefox, so despite its slowness I still stay with the red fox.... actually put RSS into camino and I'm sold!!!
    • ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2Mac's built in technologies like central plugins directory, integrated system password system (keychain), easily guessable directories structure like Application Support, Caches makes it easy to have insane amount of browsers on one system. Lets not forget, there is no "Registry" or "orphaned DLL" issues, registry is basically tiny xml files and standard unix .rc files, there are no "DLL"s, you just trash the app and all gone.

      I am a licensed Omniweb user but I am typing this from Safari right now since I felt like running a default browser today. It won't bother me next day since all my saved passwords will show up in Omniweb as it is a native Cocoa browser using OS X arch too.

      I can't imagine the chaos if I had 6-7 browsers installed to my system on Windows, I would call it a security risk even since I wouldn't check for their updates daily.
    • metaphysical, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@ ilgaz

      I hear you.

      Depending on my mood I'll cycle between Firefox, Camino and OmniWeb. Sometimes I'll even dabble in Opera. Typically I'll cycle through them going a few weeks at a time per browser. Again it's all dependent on how I feel about the current browser I'm using. Such is the beauty of Macs; I also can't imagine running 3+ browsers on my PC... that's just unheard of.
  • felixthehat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Is there a type-ahead-find/find-as-you-type search in this browser like firefox? I've tried installing pith helmet and acid search but they make Safari properly unstable in my experience.

    It's the one feature that keeps firefox my default.
  • yourfavweapn, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2crashed as soon as i opened it up for the first time. heh
    • ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I hope you bothered to send crash report to developers or it will crash in version 2.1 , 2.2, 6.0, 99.445 too, as long as nobody sending bug/crash reports and posting comment to digg instead :)
  • BladeMelbourne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Tell me that (unlike Safari/Webkit) , it has support for [label for='otherFieldID' /]
  • mightymouse, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4okay. been waiting for this for forever. but i uninstalled it right after i tried it for a few minutes.

    this isn't read to be released to the public yet - it should be more like an "alpha" release. it's still extreme buggy.

    and, the grammar in the browser and on the website is making me lose my conversational skills.
  • zongamin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Shame- I just tried it - half the options are unavailable, bookmarks vanished on restart and you can't use any ad blocking.
    It will have nice features when its finished but its no where near ready.
    • musicbear, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@zongamin

      No, it's not anywhere near ready. It crashed multiple times - within moments of each launch. It doesn't have even the most basic things like little pop ups to tell you what a button is when you hover over it.

      Rating: Meh+ Let's see it again at version 3.0
  • CanuckMakem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Like most browsers, I downloaded it, set it up, used it for an hour..... then went back to Camino.
  • shooby, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3They need someone who can completely understand English to do the english website.

    Anyways, the beta was buggy as hell and I seriously thought the project was dead (no updates since December?!)

    Downloading and I'm psyched to try it out. Time to get off Camino.
  • danielandrews, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Great ideas, but this in nowhere close to ready for prime time. A lot of the features are broken.
  • bunkka, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2yea, very buggy still.
  • brakki, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0OmniWeb does not have incremental search.
  • iMoth, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1does the world really need another ***** browser?
  • falafelkiosken, on 01/30/2008, -0/+1fullscreen mode!
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