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Separated at Birth? An Mac Mini PC Clone from China

macminicolo.net — We just got our hands on the AOpen mini PC, which bears a striking resemblance to the Apple Mac mini. A few hours playing with it under Microsoft Windows XP shows it to be a good little unit. Its a tad noisier and warmer than it the Mac mini, but all in all a good little unit. It is amazing how similar the 2 computers are.

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  • lorductape, on 10/12/2007, -55/+10I bet the other one doesn't run os10. Ha.
    • steven401, on 10/12/2007, -9/+42Haha, fortunately it can run "os10".

      Celeron Ms have SSE2 and I think SSE3 instruction sets.

      http://www.osx86project.org/
    • mrloco, on 10/12/2007, -20/+15Yeah, but that doesn't matter... it's all about the logo. DUH.
    • MediaMoguls, on 10/12/2007, -72/+149just to get this out in the open, when you refer to Mac OSX aloud, do you say "OSX" or "OS Ten"?

      I've heard this both ways and am curious what eveyone else thinks, consider this a digg survey of sorts.

      vote this comment up if you say "oh-es-ex" and down if you say "oh-es-ten"

      sorry for hijacking to satisfy my curiosity!
    • arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -17/+9I generally say OS X instead of OS 10.

      This is a good question to bring up. I've often wondered what other people say.
    • MediaMoguls, on 10/12/2007, -16/+9i agree with you, arbulus. as strong bad would say, "the x makes it sound cool"
    • JasonPrini, on 10/12/2007, -9/+40It's "O S Ten" or "O S Ten point four" and soon "Ten point five"
    • alarm, on 10/12/2007, -12/+47oh-es-ten
    • Namco, on 10/12/2007, -22/+6@lorductape, why run osx on it when you can run knoppmyth?

      @mediamoguls, why don't you go ***** yourself instead, but just to let you know I say "Oh - Ess - Tee - Eee - En" with an emphasis on spelling out the number ten, and on the N, I make it reallly long, like" eeeeeennennnNnNNNNnNNNNNNnnNnNnNNnnn!"
    • VhaidraU, on 10/12/2007, -2/+20It is OS Ten when you say it aloud. That is why the version numbers are 10.x in the Apple Menu. If it was Ecks, then the versions would have started as Mac OS X 1.0 instead of 10.0.
    • aquarajustin, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19@mediamoguls

      I dugg you down. "OS Ten" is the natural progression from OS 9, 8, etc.
    • halik, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10I say OS TEN... but then again how what do you do with OS X 10.4 (os ten ten point four?)
    • MediaMoguls, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6@aquarajustin

      I completely see what youre saying. I think its just that OSX has been the first Mac OS for most current users, so they say is as it looks.
    • seventoes, on 10/12/2007, -7/+20I say Oh-Es-Ex, because i love the double takes i get when people think i said sex.
    • samuelcotterall, on 10/12/2007, -6/+2I say "OS Ex" because I'm generally dealing with people who don't understand the significance of the numbers, and visually, people might recognise "OSX."
    • TravisG5, on 10/12/2007, -3/+9From wikipedia:

      "The character X is a Roman numeral and is officially pronounced "ten". It is the next logical release following the numbering of previous Macintosh operating systems such as Mac OS 8 and Mac OS 9. However, it is common to hear it pronounced as the letter "X"."

      I say both...

    • loup, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4I say "OS X" if I'm talking about it in a generic sense, I'll say "ten point [insert version]" when I'm talking about a specific version of it
    • Harrison88, on 10/12/2007, -3/+11Great find... two square boxes look almost the same. Who would have guessed?
    • cbreaker, on 10/12/2007, -7/+2I call it Mac OS X, because that's what it's called. For specific versions, it's Mac OS X 10.4.8 (or whatever version you're referring to.) If you click "About this Mac" it's clearly listed this way. The Install DVD is labeled "Mac OS X Install DVD."

      I tend to remember that when Apple announced OS X, they made it clear that the X did not mean 10, even though this would be the tenth major release of their operating system.
    • avihappy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Reminds me of this...
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvXleDSkB-g
    • code_of_life, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Official Site: http://minipc.aopen.com/Global/
    • modsuperstar, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1I'm more prone to say Oh Es Ex and specify the version number when talking about specifics. There was someone where I used to work that would Os Ten, which I always found weird, but since it refers to the same thing it really doesn't matter.
    • fulldecent, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10I pronounce it bee-ess-dee
    • jamend, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4How are those the "first" pictures? The AOpen Mini PC has been out for over a year now and it's easy to purchase in North America (comes as a barebones too).
    • vypergts, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1Well *****, you might as well throw shuttle's version in for comparison as well:

      http://us.shuttle.com/ModelsX.aspx
    • DonWilson, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11"An Mac Mini"?
    • zhulien, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0It's "OS ecks" (aka OS 10) just like "Windows XP" (aka Windows NT 5) ;D
    • hyukhyuk, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Apple call it "Oh Es Ten"
      Steve Jobs Calls it "Oh Es Ten" in *every* keynote since he launched it.

      IT IS "Oh Es Ten"

      "Oh Es Ecks" is wrong.
    • klaymen, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Apple Computers Operating System Version Ten"
    • Giever, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I pronounce it as OS X as opposed to OS 10. Sorry that I don't care about what it officially is, it is simply easier to say the 'X' sound after the 'S' than it is to say '10'. The 'X' slides off of the tongue more easily.
    • Radan, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well, even the built in speech synthesizer says "Mac-O-S-Ten" when you type in "Mac OS X". And to answer they guy who asked about how you pronounce the "Mac OS X 10.4", you simply skip the "X" and say Mac-O-S-Ten-Point-Four, or well "Tiger" :)
    • lengau, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Just to annoy people, I call it Osicks. And then I multiply the version numbers by 100 (without the 10)
      For example:
      OS X Tiger 10.4.8 would be Osicks 48.
    • mtappenden, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1In old Apple keynotes Jobs just said "X" not OS anything... Now he says "OS 10" ... I've always said OS 10.
    • dignon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1When talking to Apple executives, its always "OS TEN" - some of them are incredibly anal about it - but for the rest of the world, its "OS X" because it just sounds cooler.
    • gingernut, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@zhulien

      Technically that should be Windows NT 5.1 (or NT 5.1.2600 if you want to be even more accurate).
    • nerditup, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3O Sex, Oh Oh Oh, you know what Im talkin bout..
  • tico24, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3See also the esprimo mini pc.
    There's loads of these copies out there.

    http://www.fujitsu-siemens.co.uk/products/deskbound/personal_computers/esprimo_q_series.html
  • ActionableMango, on 10/12/2007, -2/+23Celeron? 40GB HDD? This thing better have a very, very low price.
  • MinisterOrange, on 10/12/2007, -14/+3Celeron is the Ford Geo of processors...
    • greatblackowl, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4Ford Geo?
    • fabriciom, on 10/12/2007, -6/+0I think he meant Geo Storm...
    • KennMac, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8What the hell is a Ford Geo?

      How about Geo Metro/Storm?
    • arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Could be ford Escort. Older ones kinda looked like Geo Metros.
    • arbulus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Automotive specifics aside, I do agree with the general tone of your comment.

      Celeron processors are garbage.
    • slickfire, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Chevy bought Geo home slice
    • EtherGnat, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2A computer I built with a Celeron 300a was the best computer I ever had. With overclocking and other premium components (bought with the money I saved on the processor) it outperformed all but the most expensive P4 500MHz machines on the market.
  • cfizzo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6old news
    • DrGonzo1184, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12Seriously, this clone was around before Apple made the switch to Intel.
  • CaptShmo, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1i'm gonna buy one for my parents when it hits the states.
  • jd72277, on 10/12/2007, -3/+19AN Mac?
    • KennMac, on 10/12/2007, -3/+8Macs should be treated as a vowel.
    • h0dg3s, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5"Macs should be treated as a vowel." Yeah if you pronounce it "ass", which you should.
    • whalesalad, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Haha yeah, was waiting for someone to mention it. Complete with an Chinese poor engrish title! (I don't mean to be racist, one of my best friend is Chinese, just love seeing crappy translation in manuals and stuff)
    • lateralus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Silly, there's a silent 'i' in front of all Mac products.
  • monosyth, on 10/12/2007, -7/+1what?, no one is ragging on the grammar in the title yet? sheesh, digg has gone down hill.

    edit: beat me to it... maybe there's hope yet.
  • happyw, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5id say cloned rather than separated at birth...
    • mrgono3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3This separated at birth thing is really getting old. The clone thing does sound better
  • democracysucks, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3The same sort of "mini" form with Ubuntu preinstalled:

    http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/2_52?osCsid=9531b8919614b7943df21e7688454e37
    • sn0re, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0This is confusing. If you equip it with a Core Duo 2 1.66 GHz and a 60GB hdd (both standard in the $599 Mini), it actually costs *more* than the Mini. Why would you buy such a thing? Apparently Ubuntu installs on the real Mini with few problems.
    • democracysucks, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's not being offered as an alternative to the Mini, it just has the same kind of form factor.

      You're right, it seems as though the Mini has more bang for your buck. Understand, though, that unlike Apple, these guys don't make their own hardware. And unlike Dell, they don't get all sorts of great deals on hardware. That probably accounts for most of the price variance.
    • justnick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Apple doesn't make their own hardware. They use the same parts as everyone else.
  • BrK1, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13It's funny, the AOpen design is just off enough to look really "wrong" and cheap. Good industrial design is not an accident, and Apple certainly knows this.

    This AOpen PC is in the same knock-off category as "Couch" handbags and "Rolox" watches.
  • zoomie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1That looks like one of the original iterations that Aopen had a couple years ago. They have newer models now with more current processors and a different look. Its no longer the clean simple mac mini look.

    http://minipc.aopen.com/Global/spec.htm
  • leoedin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I had an AOpen CD-RW drive

    It failed within a year of me getting it :o

    Also, since when did you use "An" before "Mac"?
    • Cam_86, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yeah, i got a Aopen DVD burned in my desktop computer. The things a POS. If there isnt a disc in it when the computers turned on, it makes this horrible spinning up sound. Prob. a slipped gear. If i used my desktop for anything worthwhile i would have replaced it by now.
    • Dgen_X, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I had an aopen cd-rw drive in a budget system I bought a few years back....worked perfect for about 3 years....then I started having trouble getting it to open

      I replaced it...but it still works, I just need to use a paper clip to open it, and it doesn't always close completely


      guess I got lucky
    • subtle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Cam_86: "Yeah, i got a Aopen DVD burned in my desktop computer."
      That's your problem right there.
  • geoken, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Can someone explain the lure of these tiny desktops? Is it for people who want to mount them in cars or something?
    • zoomie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Smaller footprints are great for cluttered desks. I don't know how quiet the aopen is, but I'd expect its much quieter than a tower PC.
    • Namco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4They make for perfect mythtv front ends.
    • MaxPayne3476, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3It's just the clean uncluttered look. I have a Shuttle XPC that I wouldn't trade for the world. The small-factor just blows me away, and the thing in quiet as a girls fart.
    • fuzzynyanko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Small machines make a good backup computer in case you need to do word processing and your main comp's hard drive goes *splat*. They are also good for us that like computers that are kinda treated like toys.
  • MinisterOrange, on 10/12/2007, -7/+4Ford makes the Geo brand
    • goat2, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8O REALLY



      SINCE WHEN
    • democracysucks, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2I modded you up. Not because what you said is true, but because the whole mod system needs to be re-thought. People get something wrong, and everyone mods them down. People call other people assholes, and they get modded up. It's not how things should be done.
    • MaxPayne3476, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0err... Geo was owned by General Motors, they stopped the brand in 1997
    • Urusai, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Geo was a label for cars imported and resold by GM. For instance, the Geo Prizm was a Toyota Corolla. The Geo Metro was a Suzuki Swift. It was never a "make", it was just GM trying out some globalization.
    • MinisterOrange, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0I stand corrected :)
  • goat2, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6that aopen pc is OLD

    weve had one here at our shop for like 2 years no lie, and its fantastic
  • drmangrum, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7I love this quote: "There is no copying in China. There is just very close, intense study of the things that are sucessful in the marketplace."

    So copying is just study?

    A rose by another other name...

    Doesn't smell as sweet.
    • panique, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4I can tell you for a fact that the gentleman's statement is false. My family owns a costume jewelry business, and we outsource some manufacturing to various factories in China. Within a few months, exact duplicates, right down to flaws in the casting, show up on the shelves of our competitors.

      From another perspective, "studying what's successful", well I think that's crap too. If the 'Mini was the biggest success for Apple, then it would have gotten Intelized before the iMac.
    • Hardcase, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think that your senses of humor are broken.
  • djay86, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0this is sad
  • st3vo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3yeah sorry, this post is kind of ridiculous, those have been out for a while and actually aren't bad at all :)
    • jeylux, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1i saw them out there a long time ago also... i am suprised it took this long.
  • stryfe137, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1separated at birth ... more like the bastard stepchild
    • zoomie, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5More like that old movie where Arnold Schwarzenagger and Danny Divito are twins
  • kosibar, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2They learned the concept from Apple but they haven't learned the attention to detail. The lesson that I learned from Apple is that all of the little pieces count. AOpen obviously didn't put much thought into the little black textured box that they give you as the power supply.

    There have been articles on digg about this a few times now. I realized after reading those articles that there is a lot of truth to the importance of packaging and attention to detail in a product. It gives you more confidence in the product and the company that made it.
    • drlha, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4At least AOpen had the sense to put the damn power switch on the front, and not around the back! I speak as a Mac mini owner.
    • VhaidraU, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I think the thought is that you never need to turn the mini off from Steve Jobs' presentations on the matter.
  • st3vo, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5yeah, guess what else is from China? that Mac Mini. BURRY!
  • mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Seems kind of silly to me. They're more expensive than standard computers, and they're always going to be slow - you can't jam a real video card in there, or a standard hard drive, or enough cooling for a decent processor. It's like getting the price premium of a laptop in a desktop, without any of the advantages other than size. Actually, it might be worse, since you can get some pretty powerful laptops now, but these things will always be stuck with a miserable intel GMA.
    • drlha, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4From the Mac mini point of view, for $599 you get a box that does everything you need and doesn't sound like a hurricane in a huge plastic box. If you don't care about gaming then its a great machine. For $599 I don't think the "price premium" is that bad personally.
    • mitrovarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well, the Mac mini doesn't come with a monitor, and I'd say the 512mb of ram and 60gb of storage are pretty huge deficiencies (longevity in the face of future software development = nil.) Also, good video cards contribute to more than gaming; 3d accelerated desktops have arrived for both Windows and Linux, and it'd be silly to think that Macs won't also go that route someday. That being said, the mac mini is still a better idea than this thing - it's just too easy to build a mini-atx pc with noise suppression that would eat this thing alive for the same price.
  • n00b3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2its like having an ugly twin.
  • samuelcotterall, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2I think I speak for the majority of 'real' Mac users when I say "We don't care what it looks like, just as long as it works".

    I buy Macs because I find them (OSX) nicer to use, not because they come in nice cases.
    • h0dg3s, on 10/12/2007, -8/+2"I think I speak for the majority of 'real' Mac users when I say "We don't care what it looks like, just as long as it works".
      I buy Macs because I find them (OSX) nicer to use, not because they come in nice cases."

      ***** you're an art student who bought the mac because you "thought it looked pretty"
      How the hell is it nicer to use? It only has one mouse button!
    • samuelcotterall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@h0dg3s

      I'm not an art student, I'm about to graduate with a BSc (That's "science") in web development. I used Linux for five years, but I need to use a number of Adobe applications, which is why I use a Mac.

      And, if you had ever used a Mac then you would know that a) you can trigger the second mouse "button" by tapping with two fingers on the track pad, b) you could alternatively use ALT + Click and c) the Mighty Mouse (as issued with the iMac and Mac Pro) has two mice buttons and OSX supports any USB mouse.

      If you don't know what your talking about then don't say anything; you make yourself look like an idiot.
    • mpeters13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Haha, I don't. I bought mine because of OS X and because of the pretty case. It'd be foolish to say that the hefty price tag wasn't at least warranted in part by the pretty case. ;)
  • CheapDigWannbe, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2This is not Mac mini from China. This is a quite old device that was released not long after mac mini. It's build mostly from laptop parts, and is basically Windows mac mini format PC. It's not Chinese bootleg. A proper company builds them, although the price and slow performance make this device pretty useless.
  • bliz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2actually while it's made in china, aopen is a taiwanese brand.
  • rusty182004, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I would think with the product clones china spits out they could come up with something more convincing than this. Check out these car-cars, virtually identical... http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2006/10/greatwalls-of-copycat-part-2-more-on.html
  • teiren474, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1umm they sell thows at a and b sound.... so i dont think its an inport
  • oxigen, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1S-Video out? There's something I wish my Mini had.
    • Justin6512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1buy the $15 adapter, you get regular video too, that way you have a choice. Buy off ebay to save money!
  • foxmajik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Other than their size and roughly their shape they look completely different to me.

    Plastic vs aluminum
    Multiple piece body vs single piece body
    Visual appeal vs hideous silver plastic
  • foxmajik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1> Well, even the built in speech synthesizer says "Mac-O-S-Ten" when you type in "Mac OS X".

    I should submit a bug, just to be contrary.
  • foxmajik, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2> I can tell you for a fact that the gentleman's statement is false. My family owns a costume jewelry business, and we outsource some manufacturing to various factories in China.

    Ever toured one of your factories?
  • buddhistMonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"It is amazing how similar the 2 computers are."

    How is it "amazing?" AOpen copied Apple's Mac mini lock, stock, and barrel. They ripped off the size, shape, port placement and packaging design. The words I'd use are "unethical," "unimaginative," and "cheap knockoff."

    "Amazing" it ain't.
  • grendel, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Thanks for news from 2006.
  • yaknowit, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"It is amazing how similar the 2 computers are."

    Why is it amazing....it's a typical clone of a popular product..enuff said.
  • mpeters13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's amazing is that this case has been out for almost as long as the Mac Mini was introduced. You're JUST getting your hands on one...? Oh well congrats... you made digg front page anyway.
  • Spaceomega, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Sure is a lot better looking than the Mac Mini.
  • yoshitx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1That page was posted over a year ago. macminicolo.net had the unit at Macworld 2006. Anybody know if they will colo one of them?
  • hardwired, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What's new? How about this :
    http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/06/review_super_ta_1.html

    and this:
    http://www.engadget.com/2005/12/10/ipod-nano-knockoff/
    http://detroit.craigslist.org/ele/284054994.html
    http://www.theapplecollection.com/design/pcreleased/E-Power.html
    http://www.engadget.com/2005/03/03/intel-shows-off-concept-for-mac-mini-knock-off/
    http://www.looprumors.com/article.php?chinese-iphone-knockoff-surfaces,3023559924

    We need more new Macs design for people to knock off!
  • Evi1d33d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Found some AOpen minipc's selling on eBay, the funny thing is that none of them include CPU and Ram.
  • FuQboiroi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I've seen this several times out in stores. I also live in Japan
  • kickdrum, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I work for a computer store here in the states and we sell those little clones from time to time

    BTW I say OSX, gives it presteige
  • Justin6512, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1China is always full of fakes, or copies. Take the iPod for example. There are tons of clones of the iPod that are so similar right down to the apple logo. I'm not surprised to see a computer like this, I don't know if anyone remembers when Kevin Rose gutted the mac mini on the screensavers (or maybe it was AOTS) and replaced it with a Windows Machine. I'm sure whoever sells this Mac Mini clone did something very similar, and just copied the design of the mac mini, but with PC components. Maybe they kidnapped Kevin and made him make them a prototype, jk :P

    anyways yeah it looks kinda cool. It would be nice if all PC's looked like that since it's very simple and not such a big eye sore like a big old clunky case. (well there are some cases that look cool, but the general public always have ugly looking chassis's) but yeah this is the end of the comment because I don't know how to wrap it up, sooo yeah. peace!
  • r©ain, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Wow... for all you "Mac is too expensive" people, these Chinese knockoffs are more expensive than the Mac Mini.

    From minipc4less.com:
    miniPC MP915-X Combo -91.8EX10.54W- Celeron M 1.5GHz, 512MB, 40GB, DVD CD-RW Windows XP Home Edition
    $580.00

    miniPC 915-X - SuperMulti -91.8EX10.53W-Pentium M 1.73 512MB 40GB DVD-RW Windows XP Media Center Edition
    $789.00

    MP945VX MiniPC 91.MPC01.5AW DVD-RW Core Duo 1.66 512MB 60GB SATA Windows MCE
    $919.00

    From Apple.com:

    1.66Ghz Intel Core Duo
    512MB memory
    60GB hard drive
    $599.00

    -- beats the base model miniPC in Mhz by 110Mhz, proc/cores (Core Duo vs Celeron M) and HD storage by 10GB all for $19.00 more


    1.83Ghz Intel Core Duo
    512MB memory
    80GB hard drive
    $799.00

    -- beats the midrange model miniPC in Mhz by 100Mhz, proc/cores (Core Duo vs Pentium M) and HD storage by 40GB for just $10.00 more

    -- beats the highend model miniPC in Mhz by 170Mhz and HD storage by 20GB for $120.00 LESS


    I hope this post makes a few Apple haters rethink their reasons for hating Apple.
  • digitallysick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2somewhere i saw the words "celeron" and "out preformed" Its my expierence that the celeron is a horrible slow proc no matter how much ram you tie to it.
  • SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It looks like a rip-off, it smells like a rip-off, it IS a rip-off... but will it blend? (sorryyyy)...

    The AOpen unit has been around for a long time, I think it was unveiled just after the original G4 mini (so yeh, almost 2 years ago). They are inferior machines spec-wise and price-wise, they look tacky (the paint finish is awful from looking at those pictures and others I've seen) and they don't do anything the mini doesn't. When they came out they stacked up ok next to a G4 mini, but since Apple went Intel and also went all Core Duo on the mini they really have no hope in hell of stacking up against the genuine article anymore.

    Consider this: At equivalent GHz, 1 Pentium M approx. = 1 Core Solo. All minis are Core DUO. You instantly have 2x the power right there over the bottom 2 models and as for the Celeron M well the Core Solo mini would have run rings round that... go figure??

    Big Thumbs Down to AOpen... digg for the story.
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