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- manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7@AdamWillis http://www.webstandards.org/act/acid2/guide.html
That's what the Acid test is - basically the ultimate "acid" test of standards support set forth by the Web Standards Project. Web standards have been around as long as/longer than all modern browsers, yet nobody has cared to meet them to a "T" - this is what the Web Standards people are asking for. Their goal isn't to "pwn on the others," it's to standardize web development (both yesterday's HTML and today/tomorrow's CSS and DHTML)so everybody can use it and develop for it without issue. - manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4@elfguy and jicon - that's the point/problem. The reason IE works with almost all sites is because, due to its large database, people have gotten used to coding web pages for it. IE is not very standards compliant, so people have had to code around its quirks rather than code to the web standards. To a lesser degree, this is true of Firefox as well - it has its own quirks (some of the more complicated CSS, mostly) that people are starting to code around rather than code to the standard. In a way, some pages that render badly in Safari (or Konqueror - the only other "major" browser that's passed the Acid2 test) is due to the fact is IS standards compliant. People aren't coding to standards because the major browsers don't require them to, and that is a problem. Unless this changes, we might start seeing "best viewed with..." again in web pages, just like back in the 90s when this phrase played no small part in the death of Netscape.
- Zlobadon, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I digg that someone is actually attempting to meet the standards. Now if Safari could just pass the Linux and Windows compatibility tests I'd be willing to try it.
- Obsession88, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4IE is like crabs. Just because 20million people have it doens't mean I'm going to run and jump in line.
I have used Safari since day one and it has worked 99.95% of the time. If you like Firefox use it. If you like Safari use it. If you like IE stop eating paint chips. - pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Yay for Safari ... I don't use Mac, but I'm glad that they're taking the effort to make a standards compliant browser! :)
- zweben, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I am pretty happy about this. While most people don't have much reason to care, to web designers this is really nice. It is just another step Apple has taken to make sure that you can code to spec and have it display properly. Firefox is pretty good with this, but IE sucks in this area as it does so many others.
In fact, i'd be a lot happier if Safari were at the same place and IE passed Acid 2 now because Safari was a hell of a lot closer than IE is. I mean, IE doesn't even support max-width tags in CSS. It's sad. - FiveIron, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2huh, safari passed the acid 2 test long time ago, I could have sworn it, so I googled, and there are many pages, including a slashdot that say it passed, most dating around april 28th
- BlueStarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"the khtml rendering engine used in safari and konqueror now passes the acid2 test."
Excuse me, but it was the Safari team that made this possible and was the first. The Konqueror group incorporated the modifications after Apple released it.
So that's Apple first everyone second. - rmal, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I finally get to see the complete smiley face!
- kolja, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yes safari passed the actual test back in April for the first time - inside a lab. It's only now being made available to end users.
- manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Actually, Konqueror (the second major browser to pass the test) received and incorporated patches from Safari into Konqueror to help it pass.
http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/1129 - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The one thing that keeps me from using Safari fulltime is the lack of single-window mode. Sure there's an option for opening new tabs for external application links, but links in Safari open new windows instead of tabs unless you CMD+click, I find this annoying. Other than that, its a pretty slick browser.
- mike_p, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I agree with pcgeek....
I don't use a Mac and I probably STILL wouldn't use Safari if I owned one (a mac). It's just good to see SOMEONE setting the trend for browsers that REALLY need to strive to be standards-compliant (IE is failing miserably). PNGs = no big deal (IE sucks at this as well), CSS = big deal (Firefox is ok, IE BLOWS, Safari is good)...
Firefox just wins because of the cool extensions support and tabbed browsing (over IE on Windows anyway) - elfguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Acid test is so overrated. What counts is if it has the features you want, if not is it customizable, and do all sites you visit display in a functional matter. For me firefox wins.
- TimmyGUNZ, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I love Safari. If only they had a Google Toolbar I'd use it all the time. Firefox sucks on Mac. Freezes so often on me, and is very slow when compared to Safari.
I'd love to see Apple make Safari a Windows app as well (like with iTunes), and open it up for add-ons. - blerp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Elranzer - "Give credit where credit is due."
Ok!
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/hyatt/archives/2005_04.html#008042
Dave Hyatt ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Hyatt ) is one of the lead developers for Safari. - tapo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Safari on the Mac is a damn fine browser, and for most people, it's better then Firefox. I'm so glad that the situation of web browsing on the Mac is so much better then that of Windows.
For those who haven't used Safari:
1. It's open source, using a framework available to other OS X applications called Webkit. The HTML parser for webkit, webcore, is based off of KHTML, used in KDE's Konqueror. This change for Acid2 compliance affects Konq as well.
2. It has most of the features people need. Pop-up blocking, RSS reader, clean interface, and tabbed browsing.
3. This leaves most Mac users with few reasons to download and install Firefox. Personally, I use Firefox because I love mouse gestures (an extension) and quick searches. Most people who want it simply to use Mozilla's Gecko rendering engine don't go with Mozilla at all, but rival Camino. Camino is much faster and cleaner considering it uses native widgets. - jshabad00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"Now if Safari could just pass the Linux and Windows compatibility tests I'd be willing to try it."
"Too bad only Macs can use safari..Which means about .5% of internet users have safari..."
Are you guys serious? You've never heard of Konqueror??? Oh, wait.... even digg.com hasn't heard of "Conqueror" (from the spell check). - pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Wow, why are people bashing Firefox? If you're gonna talk ***** browsers, bring IE on into the ring ... there's no argument for using IE, at all, for general web browsing.
- KZeni, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1IE is the worst... i find that Safari is the most capable browser for rendering, but it isn't the most stable. Firefox beta is close to it. I use safari though. Good stuff.
- terafunker, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Nice one, Obsession88!
Safari is a wonderful browser. Just another benefit of Mac ownership. - tuartboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"i only use firefox on my mac, because of adblock. i tried to stick it out with safari, since it's javascript engine runs faster, but without adblock, i was in hell."
1. Download this css page http://www.thewhitespaces.com/music/music/css.zip
2. Go into safari pref and in the advanced tab select the css file for the stylesheet.
3. Done. - jarinudom, on 03/31/2008, -0/+0I use Firefox on Windows, but frankly Safari just runs better on OS X.
- qx4_man, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I use a different browser each day of the work week on my Mac: Opera, Camino, Shiira, Safari, and then Firefox on Friday. Keeps things interesting.
- thom, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This only confirms what we already know - that Safari is the BEST browser. Sadly, developers continue to use "IE 'Standards' " a misnomer, making some sites problematic for Safari.
- BlueStarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Firefox is too windoish. I need my Apple GUI goodness. That and Safari wipes the floor with firefox in over all polish and function.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/quicktours/safari.html - BlueStarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0 Elranzer....oops! Did someone get their ass handed back to them?
ROTFL
S-F! - calaban9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Now if only safari was a little stabler... I still have pages that cause the scroll bars in a div to stop working.
- pcgeek101, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Firefox just wins because of the cool extensions support and tabbed browsing (over IE on Windows anyway)"
And not just that, but it wins because of the way it is marketed. It's marketed by the community, everyone. People have links to their blogs, or in their e-mail signatures that is constantly promoting Firefox ... why? Because the average Windows user out there will benefit not only from the security of the browser, but will benefit from its vast array of features and simply its quality. - JeffS, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Woo hoo, SUCK ON IT Firefox!!!
- frem001, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1I don't know why but i've never been a big fan of firefox, but i think it's cool the way it's taking on IE. I prefer safari, it has some cool features and the reset button is cool if you're on a public computer, so you don't have to worry about someone trying to backtrack and access email or the porn sites you might visit (at home obviously!)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0neocitron: yeah i agree firefox can be sluggish, so i used safari up until now. I use Flock :D http://flock.com still a bit slugish but it is so damn cool
- jermm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0using safari now
- beejay54, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Are you kidding? In this day and age if your a serious web developer/designer Safari/Firefox is what you test with first.
- shakin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Safari passed Acid2 months ago in CVS ... why is this front page news?
(I look forward to no longer having to butcher my pages for Safari)"
CVS is useless other than to see where the browser will be later on. This also won't help Safari's compatibility on many sites. I've been using acid-compliant Konqueror for a while and and it, like Safari, still needs improved Javascript support. Do they support XMLHTTPRequest at all? - fighto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0very impressive...but, for windows opera 9 is closest.
- Shire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Good to see Safari following the standards. I personally like Safari but have Camino installed as a backup. Thank goodness Tiger doesn't come bundled with IE:Mac, truly a disgusting program.
- MikeZila, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Oh snap. rmal, that was good.
Sad thing is, Safari was the first thing I replaced when I got my new Mac. FireFox was the first piece of software I installed, aside from some updates and my games. I couldn't wait to play UT2k4 on a Dual2.7Ghz PPC with a bitchin' GeForce.
But yeah, good for the %1 of the internet that uses Safari. - zwilliams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I personally prefer Safari RSS over Firefox. Don't get me wrong, Firefox is great... but Safari is extremely fast. It'll bounce once in my dock and its done starting up. It renders faster than Firefox, and its complaint.
Not much of a fan of the brushed metal look, but I fixed that with a few tweaks. - MikhoohkiM, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0why was my update only 54MB not 97MB? or did i just read that wrong when i did the update?
- bryantee, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Damn, Apple just keeps going. I have Firefox and Camino installed, but Safari is my main browser.
- Bitgod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Now if they could fix Safari's memory hogging issues...
There are different sized 10.4.3 updates, depending on what's on your computer already. - AdamWillis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What does this Acid test actually comprise of? Who regulates it and sets standards? Also, if this test is legit then why doesn't the Acid test makers, just make there own browser that can pwn on the others?
- BT-Wang, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2for chist's sake, I wish people would give credit where it is due and not on the edges they happen to be near.
the khtml rendering engine used in safari and konqueror now passes the acid2 test. - hardcoreUFO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0There are (at least) 3 different plug-ins for Safari that block ads (http://pimpmysafari.com) -- no need to fall back to Firefox for that.
- xenlab, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i only use firefox on my mac, because of adblock. i tried to stick it out with safari, since it's javascript engine runs faster, but without adblock, i was in hell.
- BlueStarr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"So this also means the Konqueror browser in Linux (which has a higher userbase than Safari) also passes the test?"
So Linux has over twenty million users? *****! That's fantastic. And those are the only ones Apple likes to counts. The OS 9 boys aren't factored in there. - sedgemonkey, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I guess this is interesting, but most Mac people I know use alternative browsers rather than Safari. Talk about a niche product.
- Elranzer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1So this also means the Konqueror browser in Linux (which has a higher userbase than Safari) also passes the test?
Give credit where credit is due. If the browser passes the test, pat the KHTML/Konqueror KDE people on the back, not Apple. It just seems easier to put Apple in the news to make diggs. - hardcoreUFO, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Safari + saft + inquisitor = love
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