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- chris9902, on 11/13/2007, -81/+597As a web designer I'd just like to thank Apple for saving me £££. Now I don't need that Mac I was looking at.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -17/+331Actually, it's at www.apple.com/safari
- PARAPA, on 10/11/2007, -49/+277Now I can finally compare the look and oepration of my sites properly!
So now it stands Firefox > Safari > Opera > IE? - vbsurfer, on 10/11/2007, -14/+183This is awesome news being a developer. This is really sweet!
IE, Opera, FF, and safari on one OS. - mrfreeziexp, on 10/11/2007, -15/+171apple.com/safari
The windows beta will be available for download "today." - ericdigg, on 11/13/2007, -7/+1561997 Internet Explorer on Mac, 2007 Safari on Windows. This is one of the most interesting comeback ever.
- pap3rw8, on 10/11/2007, -16/+144Fastest digg ever?
- Niten, on 10/11/2007, -14/+136TheCount: "Just what the world needed, another web browser."
If this manages to boost the market penetration of the open source, standards compliant web browsers at the expense of IE, then as a web developer I'm all for it. And for what it's worth, Safari is even better behaved than Firefox when it comes to obeying the CSS specs.
And to everyone complaining that Apple is comparing Safari to IE 5: The web page hasn't been updated with the Windows Safari beta yet. That comparison is between OS X Safari and IE 5 – the last version of IE that was released for the Mac. - xed122333, on 10/11/2007, -51/+153The graph compares the newest version of Safari with Firefox 1.0.2 (3.0 is being released soon) and Internet Explorer 5.6 (hasn't been used for over four years). That's like calling OS X more secure than MS DOS...
- OutrightLie, on 10/11/2007, -9/+109Dugg. From Safari. From Windows. *tear in universe opens*
- bbrosemer, on 10/11/2007, -9/+97Safari was brought to windows to force website to develop for Safari. Now if they can do this then the iphone can also run the websites... That was the reason for this enough said...
- fangorious, on 10/11/2007, -3/+79@TheCount: Can anyone explain to me why they would be so interested in increasing the market share of their web browser that they would save it for a "One more thing" or WWDC announcement? This seems like the kind of thing you just release, rather than plan an announcement for.
Easy, they announced it right along with info about the iPhone, becase the iPhone uses Safari for not only web broswing, but for 3rd party app development. So writing web pages that work with Safari, and webapps that work in Safari, is now a much more attractive goal. As a developer you'll know the app/site will work on Windows, Mac, and the iPohne. - tsbicca, on 10/11/2007, -3/+74I hope its faster but given how iTunes performs on the PC I'm a bit skeptical. The good news is I can see for myself since the public beta is coming out today!
- mojo8472, on 10/17/2007, -48/+117Not sure if I was the only one to think this....but does anyone else think that Windows doesn't NEED another browser?
- ct2000, on 10/11/2007, -4/+72downloaded when you download iTunes! sneaky!
- mouthster, on 10/11/2007, -1/+67My guess is that this has something to do with the fact that they also announced they are allowing people to develop for the iPhone using the Safari engine. I'm sure they want as many devs as possible to make the iPhone a successful platform, so Safari on Windows seems like a no-brainer.
- mrmdc, on 10/11/2007, -21/+84theprez:
dumbass, Jobs just announced it at the WWDC - RedSkies, on 10/11/2007, -22/+81I think I might try it out for a while, see how it runs.
Safari seems like a better alternative than IE. - Charron, on 10/11/2007, -11/+69Personally, it's going to have to beat Firefox's extensions capacity for me to switch over full-time. Definitely giving it a download, but it may get relegated to the same back-up position that Opera fell to for me.
- PARAPA, on 10/11/2007, -13/+70Debbie does Dallas?
- Nutmegan, on 10/11/2007, -7/+61No new hardware? Why did the store go down?
- kethraal, on 10/11/2007, -9/+62"I wish they had included Opera in those tests. Then we'd see which is the "world's fastest browser.""
Um.... they did. Perhaps you should check apple.com/safari once more....
The benchmarks are:
Safari 3 v.
Firefox 2 v.
Internet Explorer 7 v.
Opera 9
Seems pretty current to me. - mrfreeziexp, on 10/11/2007, -7/+51Is there an adblock for Safari? I will be forced to use Firefox until there is one available then.
- gjscds, on 10/11/2007, -21/+65No Adblock on Safari? No Safari on my machine.
- lostboy, on 10/11/2007, -3/+46Why not? That's the nature of the free market, and with Apple nipping at their heels perhaps it will force MS to innovate more. Certainly if Safari can live up to it's promises I know I'd think about switching from firefox.... well maybe not, but I'm open to the possibility.
- rosefu, on 10/11/2007, -5/+47Please, please, please give it the same rendering engine as the Mac version of Safari.
Do that and it would serve as a great testing environment. I hate having to VM into another machine and go to three computers just to test a site in different browsers. Going from three to two would be nice. - cronot, on 10/11/2007, -7/+49Mini review, for the Windows version:
I'd call it an Alpha, instead of Beta. It behaved very erratically while I've used it. For instance, the first time I've started it up, no window showed up, though there was a button on the taskbar. Closed it, tried again, then the window came up. Now, the problem that I have is with fonts - any boldface font isn't showed, but replaced with underlines ( _ ). Reinstalling it did no good. The interface is a copycat of OSX's, except for the menus that don't look quite the same. The fact that the interface is so like OSX scared me a little - it looks too much out of place on a Windows desktop, almost makes me think that it is running in some kind of emulator (I know that's not the case, but it makes you think).
Other than that, it looks promising. The fact that it the html rendering engine is a port of KHTML from Konqueror (KDE), is an indication that it is a capable performer. It seems they brought over the font rendering engine from OSX too, so the fonts looks gorgeous - if it weren't for Firefox's extensions, I'd switch to Safari for that alone. Not even Windows (even Vista) with ClearType enabled can match that font rendering quality. - Dracker, on 10/11/2007, -2/+42Submitting this comment from Safari on Windows.
A couple of observations:
-If your cursor is in the absolute rightmost pixel column of your screen, the OSX-themed scroll bar will not register your click.
-Clicking the Taskbar button will not minimize the window
-You cannot resize it from any point except the lower right corner
-When you DO resize it, or maximize, or restore, the window must completely redrawn, which is slow
It seems to run well, but the interface has been botched a bit. - Icebird, on 10/11/2007, -19/+59WTF? You can't do Ctrl-Enter to finish "apple" to "http://www.apple.com/" ?!?
- stmiller, on 10/11/2007, -8/+47imageshack = worst image hosting ever
- longboarder543, on 10/11/2007, -1/+36It passes the Acid2 test.
http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/test.html#top - timusca, on 10/11/2007, -20/+55Well, what the hell do you want it to give you? A blow-job?
- chrisgeleven, on 10/11/2007, -2/+36Apple still bundles Quicktime with iTunes. For good reason, iTunes uses Quicktime for everything (audio/video playback, encoding, etc.).
- LordHelmet, on 10/11/2007, -6/+39I'm really happy with FF, but I'll give it a try.
- totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -0/+30All iPhone 3rd party development is thru AJAX/Web 2.0 running on Safari. How else can PC developers run/test their apps?
- rilindo, on 10/11/2007, -2/+32This could a big win for KDE. If sites become more compatible with Safari, then KDE konqueror will become quite viable, which in turn should boost KDE's strength even more.
That being said, I'm a Camino and Firefox guy, but I'll try out Safari to see how it works. - lostboy, on 10/11/2007, -6/+35"Regardless of that, this will really be a good way to see how "Secure" Mac products really are..."
A product is only as secure as the operating system it resides in. Part of the reason that Mac products are thought of secure is the proven security of Mac OS X.
Windows XP is not necessarily insecure if you know how to secure it, but an awful lot of people don't. The implications of this can be more serious for a PC user versus a Mac user because of os x's unix heritage. Simple as.
Full disclosure, my main system is a PC running windows xp. - DaveMode, on 10/11/2007, -0/+28Using it now. Doesn't feel as fast as Steve made it out to be at the keynote. I'll probably use it for a few days just to be sure. I'm currently anticipating a quick retreat back to Firefox. I've just fallen in love with a few too many extentions..
- BigKenW, on 10/11/2007, -18/+46This is odd. Now my Windows users can learn why the Mac users all ask for Firefox. -- And that isn't a knock, so don't dig me down Mac fanboys.
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+32I barely use it in OS X.
- potterboy, on 10/11/2007, -9/+34DO IDIOTS GET FREE CAP LOCK REPAIRS?
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -5/+28There is NO WAY to configure a Proxy Server (what the *****?). It just gives me a pop-up asking for a username and password. No matter what I enter, Safari crashes instantly.
I guess I can't use it.
Also, some pretty common features I've come to expect with Firefox simply don't exist: mouse gestures is one, and using mouse wheel-click to close tabs is another. But I guess that doesn't matter, since it won't play nice with my proxy anyway, so I can't use any part of this browser at all. Oh well. So much for my Safari adventures. Hope the rest of you guys are having fun, it does look pretty with all its nice menu animations. - swavalier711, on 10/11/2007, -31/+54those are some pretty lame-ass reasons.
- skipsandwichdx, on 10/11/2007, -2/+25Weird, MySpace looks like ***** in Firefox, IE, and Opera, too...
- inactive, on 10/11/2007, -4/+26I'm using it at this very moment to post this comment...and it seems to be pretty damned fast and stable.
Also, I'm not one for too much eye candy, but Safari's little "spit out receipt" dialog boxes are cool as all get out. - carl201167, on 10/11/2007, -4/+26This another smart trojan horse for Apple - get Windows users to experience Apple and convert them over to Mac by stealth
Where this REALLY plays is providing consistency for Windows iPhone owners - totorototoro, on 10/11/2007, -2/+23So the iPhone is using Safari for its 3rd party apps..so Safari on Windows is necessary to get PC developers to work on it.
- MioTheGreat, on 10/11/2007, -32/+52Eww,
We all know how horrible Apple Software on Windows is (iTunes looks horrible, Quicktime just plain blows), why would this be any different? - alecks, on 10/11/2007, -5/+24Download link is up:
http://www.apple.com/safari/download/ - theonlyvlad, on 10/11/2007, -3/+22does that make it spyware? ;)
I kid. -
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