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- digitalhippie, on 12/02/2008, -5/+34I'm wondering how many of those came from iPhones vs. Macs?
- mathchemist, on 12/02/2008, -2/+29Looks like the graph was made with the Microsoft Excel chart wizard in 2 seconds.
- badqat, on 12/02/2008, -8/+30I use Firefox on my Macs. Only place I use Safari (other than for testing) is on my iPhone.
- aliguana, on 12/02/2008, -2/+21since Safari is also available on Windows, I think saying "OSX on the rise!" is a bit misleading:
1) because they could be Mac or Windows users
2) Half the Mac people I know don't use Safari, so it's not an accurate picture in that respect either.
3) if the iPhone idenitifies itself as Safari, then this is just indicative of all the new iPhones sold, not OSX/Mac per se. - inactive, on 12/02/2008, -1/+17"Yellow line sloping microscopically upwards presents clear and dangerous threat to microscopically-downward-sloping blue line"
Are we sure this isn't an Onion article? - fungie5, on 12/02/2008, -0/+10Actually, Firefox passed 20% global share last year. NetApplications data is biased towards the North American market so the only thing you can conclude from their data is that Firefox usage in North America has finally reached the 20% mark. In Europe, Firefox usages averages higher than 30%, with some countries with adoption rates of over 50% (eg. Finland, Slovenia). Overall, Firefox market share is lower in the US than in most of the rest of the world.
- UnWeave, on 12/02/2008, -1/+10Did you read the article? They said Firefox's growth was the largest.
- falafelkiosken, on 12/02/2008, -0/+9browser market share is based on what browser people use, not what they have installed dumbass
- wmouazzen, on 12/02/2008, -4/+11impressive graphical analysis
- istor, on 12/02/2008, -0/+6Computers should come with an IQ requirement. That way dumb asses like you wouldn't have the forum to spout nonsense.
- ieee, on 12/02/2008, -2/+8Safari and Chrome seem to be rising fast. It is my hope that they take market share away from IE and not Firefox. Still competition is a good thing. Firefox has improved to keep up with Safari's performance. I'm sure these two newer browsers will also get an extension mechanism to compete with Firefox.
- fungie5, on 12/02/2008, -1/+7You're actually correct.
NetApplications data is acquired by tracking users from the North American region and don't actually reflect worldwide usage statistics. In other words, their results are useless when trying to determine global figures.
In reality, OSX market share is less than 4% globally and over 8% in the US. The Mac is taking market share from Windows in the US but not elsewhere (50% of all Macs sold worldwide are sold inside the US). The US PC market size is shrinking relative to the global market - the US only accounts for 15% of all PCs on earth at the moment, down from 25% 10 years ago. Also, PC sales in emerging economies alone are far, far greater than global Mac sales so the overall global market share for the Mac will always remain very small. - Zippo, on 12/02/2008, -0/+5Same here, too. The only thing I prefer in Safari over Firefox is the much smoother scrolling.
I wonder what part of that 7% is Safari on the Mac, what part is Safari on Windows, and what's Safari on the iPhone/iPod touch. - roddack, on 12/02/2008, -0/+5Firefox > All browsers.
- MacParrot, on 12/02/2008, -0/+5OK, as said before it doesn't matter how many browsers are installed as they were only counting the ones used. Most people just use the browser that comes as default with their OS (Windows usually is IE, OS X is usually Safari, most Linux distros are usually FireFox). What is amazing about this is that even with 90% of the market, alternatives to IE are rising in marketshare.
Also you might want to work on your obviously defective people skills...and maybe take a few writing courses. - cdigioia, on 12/02/2008, -0/+5You're almost right.
You're forgetting Asia though, where Firefox is barely used at all (try surfing Korean/Chinese/Japanese/etc. sites in Firefox, every 3rd one is broken in some way). Firefox really needs to penetrate Asia to get greater worldwide market share.
So yes, NetApplications data is biased toward North America, which leaves out the higher usage rates in Europe, but also the much lower usage rates in Asia. - anon4031, on 12/02/2008, -1/+6Safari on the PC is horrible. and all it does is crash on the iphone.
and i'm actually a fanboy. - MacParrot, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4Your comment actually gave me an ice cream headache
- XxtraLarGe, on 12/02/2008, -0/+5I use multiple browsers on my Mac. I use Safari as my primary browser. If that does not work for a certain page (which seldom ever happens), then I use FireFox. I also have Opera installed, and use that occasionally to test out any web pages I create. I like all 3, but my preference is for Safari.
- MacParrot, on 12/02/2008, -1/+6Um...it currently does? This is about browsers like FireFox and Safari gaining marketshare.
- ungajava, on 12/02/2008, -1/+6I'm a fan of webkit, so I split my time between Firefox and Safari. I just wish there were as many addons for Safari as there are for Firefox.
- virtualball, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4You can try to read the article to find out
- vault, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4Safari also uses way more resources if you ever check activity monitor after having FF3 and Safari open for a while.
- srg13, on 12/02/2008, -2/+6"I use Firefox on my Macs"
Same here. The default theme is pretty damn ugly, but if you install Grapple Yummy (the third one here: http://www.takebacktheweb.org/ ) it looks really good and fits in nicely.
It's a shame that Mozilla shipped it with such an ugly theme... I thought that originally the theme they chose fitted in a lot better, but then they made everything rounded, and put in the stupid keyhole shaped back and forward buttons. - Radan, on 12/02/2008, -1/+5That wouldn't count either way. As far as I see this only counts the number of hits with the browser not the amount of downloads.
Still, the way Apple distributed Safari to the PC users is really low. - DirtyDiggDog, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4I think you all give people too much credit for being technically knowledgeable. I suspect that the vast majority of Mac users do indeed use Safari - just like the vast majority of Windows users just use Explorer, simply because they're the default.
- KnightWhoSaysNi, on 12/02/2008, -0/+4I also like Safari's launch speed. Other than that, Firefox is better.
- Elranzer, on 12/02/2008, -3/+7Of course OSX is "on the rise." When you're at the bottom, the only place you can go is up.
Apple drones have been hoping that Macs take over as the #1 computing platform "any day now" since 1984. - inactive, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3I don't think this is news, their market share has been up and down so many times over the past 15 years that anything over 15% would be remarkable for Apple.
Also, are the statistics including mobile (iphone/ipod) versions of Safari? Because that would be very misleading to include mobile versions vs browsers that don't have official mobile port (ie, firefox). - feanix, on 12/02/2008, -1/+4How can something ALSO be the worst thing ever? Can two things BOTH be the worst thing ever??
- UnWeave, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3Neither is your comment.
- virtualball, on 12/02/2008, -2/+5You don't need to be a "fanboi" to like something... I use Safari everyday, mainly because FireFox 3 takes about 25 seconds to open and load up. The newest Safari is amazingly fast and saying my opinion doesn't make me a "fanboy."
- 11oops, on 12/02/2008, -1/+4Then, of course, they will be 'mainstream' and looking to express their individuality by switching to Windows.
- I1969, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3The company that produced the November data showing Safari's 7% share has admitted the results were skewed. See report here:
http://digg.com/apple/Safari_tops_7_global_market_ ... - inactive, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3I think you missed out a few exclamation marks
- Verven, on 12/02/2008, -3/+6Apparently not.
- Chrysalii, on 12/02/2008, -1/+4You are further proof that Apple is a cult.
- ieee, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3I feel the same way. My mix of extensions is what I like best about Firefox. I don't trust Google as a company,but since Chrome is open source the uber geek community can read the code and verify if Google is trying anything slimy or not.
- 11oops, on 12/02/2008, -2/+5Until Firefox supports multi-touch navigation, I'll continue to use Safari on my Mac.
- e2superman, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4AuN6pN1kY
That said, I do not believe it. - Fergy, on 12/02/2008, -0/+31) Safari on Windows is so bad that people would sooner use IE.
2) I concur because if half of Mac people use Firefox and Safari has 7% market share then Mac must have a market share of 14%. A market share of 3% worldwide would be much more believeable for Safari. Even Firefox only has 20% after Having the best browser for 5 years.
3) Probably 30% of Mac people bought the iPhone and probably 10% of those people actually use the internet on it regularly. - TravisOwens, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3Oh yes, Excel 2000 at it's best!
- andrewrjones, on 12/02/2008, -0/+3Chrome is: http://digg.com/tech_news/Google_Chrome_Browser_To ...
I doubt Safari will, for the same reason IE doesn't. Would make their browsers too open!
When Chrome gets extensions I will probably be using that instead of Firefox. - creamy, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
- fungie5, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2@ cdigioia
You're right. Firefox usage in several parts of Asia is very low - only Africa is lower.
The reason why many Asian sites break with FF (also the reason for the low Firefox adoption in Asia generally) is because most of their sites are designed to work primarily with IE6, which still has a very large market share in Asia. In fact, a significant number are still using IE5 there. Those sites will break in any of the newer browsers because most Asian websites make users install Active X controls in order to gain access to functional website features. Firefox doesn't use Active X, so those Asian sites that use it extensively won't work properly and will break.
Because of the high usage of old versions of IE and Active X, Asia's a hot spot for spam and viruses that exploit IE. At this point, they probably need Firefox more than we do. In order for Firefox to become popular in Asia, they will have to stop this overuse of Active X extensions that websites there force them to use. - RabidOrange, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2At a guess Google and Yahoo have to be the two most visited sites on the planet. Why hasn't anyone just asked (will probably require some degree of begging) them to release the stats for browser usage. It would end the discussion and also provide probably the only accurate picture of market share.
- Rickard, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2The w3schools.com website is not in any way affiliated with W3C. Also, the data they present are based on logs for w3schools.com and nothing else. In other words, not very interesting.
- se7en11, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2it's ok to laugh
- Acqua206, on 12/02/2008, -1/+3Tools->Options->Advanced->Check Smooth Scrolling
- MacParrot, on 12/02/2008, -0/+2What is this "mac" company in which you speak? Does Apple know about them?
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