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- nikki2300dk, on 11/15/2008, -14/+60I know Safari isn't the best, yet I still use it. I'm using it right now. Digg me down.
- Aupajo, on 11/15/2008, -3/+33If you're a Digger, chances are you're probably a net power-user. You love the extensibility, the plugins, the awesome bar of Firefox. Great, Firefox *is* for you. It's why I love (and use) Firefox.
But Safari isn't better or worse. It's just different. There isn't a "my-browser-is-better-than-your-browser" comparison going on here.
It has two things that sets it apart: simplicity and speed. It has one of the most minimalist UIs for a web browser around, one that takes as little screen real estate as possible. The reason is pretty simple: the focus of a web browser should be on the page and it's content, not on the browser itself. It's what people use a browser *for*. In that way, it's a pretty Apple thing to do.
Also, I know it's pretty futile, but can we stop having the "X is better than Y" arguments? No one ever wins; some things are just better for different circumstances. - Radan, on 11/15/2008, -3/+32I mainly use Safari on the Mac (Firefox on the PC/Linux of course) simply because of two very important reasons;
1. Since I'm a web developer I try to only use Webkit-based based browsers since I want it to one day become standardised.
2. Better UI. Firefox works horribly on the Mac. It's buggy and slow, and the weird scrolling which jumps like 20 pixels at a time drives me nuts. - bmson, on 11/15/2008, -6/+22Isn't the best?
It was the first browser to pass acid2 test and has almost passed acid3 - Thinkerofthings, on 11/15/2008, -2/+18I'm using it too
- JonLatane, on 11/15/2008, -3/+16Me too, I somehow find Inquisitor + Safari Adblock to be more than enough. I don't see why everyone's in such a rush to install a bloated UI scripting interface (XUL) if those features are all they'd use it for.
- Radan, on 11/15/2008, -0/+10As a side note I'd like to add that I think the developer version passes the ACID3 test. At least the latest version of Webkit does it.
http://webkit.org/ - inactive, on 11/15/2008, -0/+8Firefox seems to be (IMO) kind of crappy on the Mac, even with the faux Mac interface. It fails to use the inbuilt dictionary, doesn't work with the Service menu, and has numerous other small issues that detract from the overall feel (for example, the context menus are different from the OS X's menu). It feels like a windows transplant in almost every way.
- albyliontk, on 11/15/2008, -0/+7I agree with you, different browser have different options which make them unique, therefore I would not dare to compare them just because it is not essential. I like and I use both differently. (Well, if you compare them with IE then I would dare making a point).
- Seph7, on 11/15/2008, -0/+7Totally agree with your second point, scrolling is terrible with a trackpad in firefox on OSX compared to safari, and turning smooth scrolling on just turns firefox into some uncontrollable mess.
Although i don't think that web-kit becoming a standard in anyway is a good thing, I'd rather just have multiple rendering engines conforming to the W3 XHTML and CSS standards. As a fellow web developer it's rare that I see any major differences between a site I've coded in firefox compared to safari.... IE on the other hand is a different story.
Also firefox with firebug + HTML tidy as a development browser FTW. - iofthestorm, on 11/15/2008, -0/+6WGET + MENTALLY PARSING HTML FO LYFE.
- Radan, on 11/15/2008, -0/+5Well, it's true that a site made for Firefox most of the time works as good in Safari, however, the opposite is not as true. For example, Safari has support for text shadows which Firefox doesn't. Safari also handles CSS opacity a lot better than Firefox. Then there's the problem with Firefox adding borders to clicked links and mousedown events which is nothing else but horrible.
Even worse is that Firefox doesn't support Colour profiles.
Also, Safari has some non standardised functions like custom search bars and resizable textboxes which I would really want to play a little more with. - jasmus, on 11/15/2008, -0/+4there is an adblock for safari. I have it installed now, works a treat.
- sweintraub, on 11/15/2008, -1/+5Actually wrong, the article states that DB support is in Safari 4. Buried
- MacParrot, on 11/15/2008, -0/+4PSSSST! Hey you!...Yeah you!. AOL and YouTube are over there!
- Sisko41, on 11/15/2008, -5/+8I have always been a Firefox user, but I just started using Safari. I don't think I like it as much; or maybe it just takes a little getting used to.
- MacParrot, on 11/15/2008, -0/+3You can probably find copies of OS X 10.4 pretty cheap if you look hard enough. 10.3 was pretty good (I didn't install OS X until 10.2 came out as 10 and 10.1 were total crap), but it's been what, 5 years since it was released? Apple has moved on. You don't have to, but don't expect anything beyond security updates for OS X 10.4 and below
- cadmiumpaint, on 11/16/2008, -1/+4i'm glad you said that.esp point #2. I'm a mac user who never understood why everyone was drinking the firefox coolaid. it was just never that good for me.
been using safari since they first released it...love it. - PoopOnPaul, on 11/15/2008, -0/+3So you can't make the adjustment from "ctrl 4" to "cmd-4"? Everything (as in up to 9 sites) on your bookmarks bar in Safari can be accessed that easily. I don't mind the search engine thing because for most of my searching I use Quicksilver's Search Engine module, with a custom set of search engines.
- Radan, on 11/15/2008, -0/+3You can always look up all the shortcuts for Safari by going into the package contents of the application -> Contents -> Resources -> and then opening Shortcuts.html
If you have Safari installed in the Application folder you can also just type in this link in any browser:
file:///Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Resources/Shortcuts.html
Also, I recommend you installing the plug in called Inquisitor which makes the google search bar a lot better than it is now.
http://www.inquisitorx.com/safari/index_en.php - alecks, on 11/17/2008, -0/+2I thought this would be the conversation topic, but instead, every douche is exclaiming his personal choice of browsers.
NO ONE GIVES A ***** WHAT YOU USE. - tarjan, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1radan: firefox does support color profiles, you just have to enable support in the about:config menu.
- dombi, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1I have been waiting for this and I think this is good news for many web developers.
Can anyone point me to an article that shows an example on how to use the database functions in Safari? - rdas7, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1and a quick search on ebay shows a buy-it-now copy going for US$65
- nikki2300dk, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1I quite like both firefox and opera, but I just don't need so much from a browser.
- warragul, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1I'm very pleased it protects us against fraudulent phishing websites.
Any hope of protection against real phishing websites? - dombi, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1I found it. :-)
http://webkit.org/misc/DatabaseExample.html - MacParrot, on 11/15/2008, -1/+2If you aren't using Safari what are you worried about? If you have iTunes, just don't select the Safari installer or unselect it when it shows up. Or is that too difficult?
- rdas7, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1You might also find that performance of your machine improves when upgrading to 10.4, as there were *many* code optimizations.
- wagnerboi, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1Fanboys, schmanboys. They're just apps. I use Safari, Firefox, and Chrome frequently and they all have unique strengths. I'm really sick of chauvinism, regardless of what platform or app it's for.
- AppleMacStud, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1AND... here's part of the reason why:
http://apcmag.com/15_reasons_macs_are_still_better ... - AppleMacStud, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1I agree. I have Firefox and I like it but I keep going back to Safari for it's UI, native coca, fast page rendering, RSS feeds, Inquisitor plugin & quick start up times.
- bryanwebster, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1Safari with latest webkit is my choice. it is fast and simple and i don't usually need to make use of any plugins
this update makes it even better. - inactive, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1Safariblock and Adblock safari.
- PoweredByWill, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1I hope 4.0 adds some kind of foxyproxy-like plug-in support for my secure-tunnel usage here in China.
Or I guess FireFox here I come... - jamesmcm, on 11/16/2008, -1/+2Meh I'm on OS X and I still use Firefox. I love Adblock Plus and it's Free Software.
- inactive, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1Safariblock and Addblock Safari - you haven't even looked.
- MattBD, on 11/16/2008, -0/+1I didn't like Safari on the Mac (or on Windows, for that matter). I quickly changed it for Firefox. That said, Chrome is AWESOME on Windows (I'm predominantly a Linux user, although I have a Mac and a Vista install), and I'm eagerly awaiting the Mac and Linux versions.
- rimantas, on 11/17/2008, -0/+1No thanks. I do not like extremists of any kind, and cannot take rms seriously any more.
- ethana2, on 11/16/2008, -2/+2You want webkit to be standardized?
How about we start standardizing STANDARDS instead of browsers? Eh? Remember how we got into this mess? - inactive, on 11/16/2008, -1/+1Title implies client side database support in the browser. Buried as inaccurate.
- ethana2, on 11/16/2008, -1/+1http://i33.tinypic.com/fxqb9w.jpg
- johnny81, on 02/17/2009, -0/+0failure
http://www.linkbuilderz.com/ - rabidlemur, on 11/16/2008, -1/+1Safari sucks! Get over it!
- dogparade, on 11/16/2008, -0/+0I'd give a ***** if Safari wasn't the best browser on the market today.
Anything to force Windows ***** to stop using IE is good with me - jamesmcm, on 11/16/2008, -1/+1Free as in Freedom. Think free as in speech rather than free as in beer.
See: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/fsfs/rms-essays.pdf - dogparade, on 11/16/2008, -1/+1I definitely consider it the best
- InorganicMatter, on 11/15/2008, -2/+1I love Safari's amazing performance on Macs, but still go back to Firefox...
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