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- jman8888, on 10/12/2007, -4/+11but why is this interesting..
- habu, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6I am sure it will ship a few weeks after I am forced to buy the current one...
- DeepPan77, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Totally agree. The only reason to go with SATA is cost I'm guessing.
SAS should at least be offered as an option. - shyguy01, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5I'm gonna guess it'll be announced at NAB (pro video) in mid-April
http://www.nabshow.com/ - saxjazman9, on 10/12/2007, -4/+8Does anyone else ever shiver when you put SATA drives in a server??? come'n apple... SATA... why?? don't you ever wanna play with the big boys???
- jonahan52, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Uhh i'd imagine they are gonna be SAS drives or two different models .. SAS or SATA ala the intel XServe
- NSResponder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If that unit is really Q57, then it's rather old. The original Mac Mini was Q88. When did SATA first hit the market?
-jcr - CLIFFosakaJAPAN, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Love those Honeycombs on the back
- selectodude, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Because SCSI is more expensive, same speed, and (thank God) a dying technology. You want SCSI? Get a Power Macintosh.
- falloutsyndrome, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I can't believe apple hasn't had a sata raid setup sooner. Everything else on their product line is sata. o.o
- drakino, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Oddly, that connector on the drive bay looks like the connectors FC-AL (Fibre channel) disks use. There are FC disks based off SCSI disks and also "FATA" drives that are based off SATA disks. I wonder if Apple is using those drive bays to convert SATA disks to Fibre. Either that, or they just like having a proprietary connector. Most of the SATA units I have seen use just the standard SATA connectors on the backplane, since the location is a standard. Similar to the Mac Pros where you just put the metal cage around a SATA drive and plug it directly into the system.
Running Fibre all the way to the disks would be interesting to see Apple do, since it means they are at least trying to keep up with the rest of the storage industry. They have done a decent job so far of keeping up with the standards as far as working with other equipment. - cliffzdude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2The big boys are moving storage to small form factor due to data centers becoming so packed, they also give off less heat. Heat has become a huge issue in data centers, CIOs are getting tired of buying more and more cooling.
SAS drives (Serial Attached SCSI) from HP for example can come in 2.5" drives. HP is starting to do SATA drives on servers and storage arrays, but they are really for low impact use. If you need something that will take being hammered 24/7 the way to go is SAS.
I guess this Apple array may be good for mass storage of video or audio, or maybe backup use, but anything requiring intensive I/O 24x7x365 won't play too well with this product. - abstractrude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Slickto
Where can you find a SAN with more storage for less price? Apple is easily the best priced SAN you can buy. As for the guy who lost data onhis RAID, you should always have a hot spare in an enterprise environment, plus at least tape backups. YES, people are still doing tape backups. Remember the XserveRAID is an enterprise level option, not some ATA drives thrown into a $75 firewire enclosure. checkout alienraid.org, there is a place for XserveRAID in enterprise, os X server and xserve is a different story.
Your support contracts should have covered the lost drives. You dont buy any SAN without a support contract.
Im not a fan boy trying to prop apple, i'm just saying you have no idea what your talking about.
p.s. apple enterprise support does suck, i'm sorry you have had to experience it. - geminitojanus, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I can't believe apple hasn't had a sata raid setup sooner"
Enterprise RAID solutions are significantly more difficult to engineer than putting a SATA controller on a motherboard and hooking up a single SATA hard disk. As Apple isn't exactly focused on the enterprise sector, they probably don't have anywhere near the amount of engineers on it, and these things take longer to come out (They probably share a lot of engineers with the XServe team, which has been really busy lately with Apple's new XServe). - Dumbledorito, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3There goes Apple, copying Windows again...
(I keed, I keed) - rasterbator, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Doesn't xsan help them compete with the big boys?
http://www.apple.com/xsan/ - WiZZLa, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3replace "copying" with "still behind" and replace "Windows" with "HP, Dell, or other server companies."
...there better be a SAS option... - babajuma, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Please Please be fast. 700MB/s for each half.
- jrbrewin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1tbh, i'm very surprised at how shoddy the workmanship on the back of the server is. it looks very badly made compared to the front. Even HP or Dell servers look a lot cleaner, and more professional on the back, whereas this server, well, the components don't even sit parallel with the case or components.
- redmondmj, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Apples server hardware is horrible, always has been. I have one site that bought 4 Xserves, one Xserve RIAD Box, and one Dell Poweredge 2650. Drives drooped out of the 4 Xserves RAID Arrays daily until half the administration had experienced data loss. Apple was useless. They sent somebody out to look at them, the guy couldn't do anything, then Apple sent a bill for the support. Finally we ave up on them, they just taking up space and keeping the rack looking full now. The entire building is running on the Dell Poweredge 2650 (Netware). The RAID box is still running, but were not using it because its lost three drives so far.
- m00dy, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2someone is giong to get fired for this
- slickto, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2These things aren't cheap either. The current system starts at $6000!, and that's only for 1TB. Typical price $10,000+
No thanks. I can buy more storage, with better quality from someone else, for that price. - sshack, on 10/12/2007, -9/+6Ugh. accusys. RUN. THE. *****. AWAY.
They're seriously really really really horrible. run.
If apple manages to make this a reliable product I will be in awe of them.
there's going to be some serious software kung fu required there. They'll
have to move mountains to make this work. - barichardson, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0I don't see how this is news. We already know that Apple is horribly slow in the server market.
They are just now releasing a sata storage solution? Dell and HP have had a SAS storage solution out for months now that I can guarantee will handle high I/O well over what those cheap sata drives can handle. I don't want to hear the excuse about the price either; if you need a reliable server sata just wont cut it. Sata was never meant for the server world. - Joab, on 10/12/2007, -8/+3TO be honest who really cares about their raid server. Either this was published by apple or it was leaked in their part to track down their leaks I mean who really cares.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -11/+6Apple's "leaked" photos bluff is getting old, the rest of the world call it a news release. Apple is not fooling anyone.
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