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- lenbust, on 10/12/2007, -3/+31category = 'apple', eh?
- dafragsta, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14All I can say about Rails is that if you've never coded in your life and want to feel empowered to just do anything you want with your own website, Rails is definitely a good path to take. Learn to code the Rails/Python way before your head gets clouded with all that JavaScript (which you might need anyway later on) and C style coding which is prominent throughout most scripting/coding languages. Act now and they throw in a "Who cares about SQL until much much later" perk.
Sorry, I spent a good few years working with PHP, ActionScript, JavaScript, SQL, and all the other jack-of-all-trades web dev stuff and I really really like Rails. - rodrigo74, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14For what it's worth, my recommendation for a complete programming newbie would be to avoid using RoR (or Django, etc) to learn how to program. These frameworks mix and match a lot of underlying technologies (HTML, Javascript, CSS, YAML, SQL, etc etc) that could be overwhelming and confusing.
I think a newb would be better of using one of those "How to think like a computer scientist using Python/Ruby" to focus only on the "art of programming" itself, basic concepts of algorithms, OO etc using simple console apps, and then once this is solid start integrating other stuff in the toolbox such as databases, rails, etc
Of course that if a guy is really smart and committed he/she will eventually become a good programmer no matter which path you choose, but some are steeper than others. - BanzaiMan, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15For Mac OS X users, the new Locomotive bundles are announced:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.ruby.rails.locomotive.user/1026 - alienz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+12hh1000
Considering that the site is cached and served with Apache it's not Ruby that's being crushed under the load. Just a good old server hammering. - molekyl, on 10/12/2007, -1/+13What? A lonely programmer? That's unheard of!
- rodrigo74, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8There's no magic way to handle a hundredfold increase in traffic. The only way to handle that, be it RoR, ASP.Net or PHP is putting money on more servers, but last time I heard the folks on rubyonrails.com were not lighting cigars with dollar bills. That, and hope for the best.
So if you wanna troll, at least make it informed and technically accurate. - jmazzi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Nice! Its about time they added stable support for decimal columns. :)
- jaycliche, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6'Cause the developers use and love apple. It is included in osx too...though I think it is more general (obviously).
- mrblack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5a mac and textmate make rails bliss to code.
- flazz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5with contracts (clients) and permissions (people) with access to the server.
- aantix, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5But who provides a secure solution? Java classes can certainly be decompiled, binaries can be reverse engineered.
Software protection itself is a fallacy; because the application has to be exposed to be executed it's inherently an insecure medium.
If someone wants your source, they will get it, plain and simple. - willi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why does every news end up talking about macs?
This is about Ruby on Rails.
I'm glad it's finally 1.2 (1.2.1)
The new Rails book was already out few weeks ago, before 1.2 was final. - ohhmaagawd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4anyone with skills and root access is going to be able to figure out how to get to your DB, no matter the system. This is a complete non-issue.
- Mathewh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2i just started to use ror last night for the first time. very nice stuff.
- samuelcotterall, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2So that'll be why my install is taking so freaking long!
Nice to know that I'm bang up to date for once. - rodrigo74, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2It's not only digg readers that are going there y'know...
- kmedlin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Apple has an agreement with DHH about the distribution of Rails in future OS X releases starting with Leopard. The version currently "installed" in OS X is NOT a fully featured or functional version. The one coming with Leopard, however will be.
- tobyjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"I agree it's not a "pay the bills" kind of language, especially not without a huge demand for RoR skills yet"
I don't know about that. My shop uses Rails as often as we can and all our bills are paid. Hell, we are in Communication Arts this month and were Creative's Interactive Agency of the Year last year.
The truth is, we can't find enough good programmers with solid Rails experience to hire.
There is a pretty huge demand lately. - rodrigo74, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Rails/Python? You mean Rails/Ruby?
- flazz, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4lenbust is right.
rails developers have the stereotype of having a MacBookPro with a HUUUUGE display running textmate. but the fact is that many of use linux/freebsd with emacs, and whatever monitors we happen to have. this is platform discrimination, and we don't have to take it! - fluoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Yeah, I hate to be sounding like an advertisement, but cmer is right. I've only been using Rails for about 2 months, but I bought Agile Web Development with Rails (2nd edition) when they were releasing "beta" PDFs and it really helped me learn Rails much, much faster than any online tutorials or documentation that I found. It's a really excellent book.
- cmer, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Get yourself Agile Web Development With Rails (2nd edition), it will definitely get you started on the right foot!
http://preview.tinyurl.com/33u95u - slashdotdash, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2> rails developers have the stereotype of having a MacBookPro with a HUUUUGE display running textmate
Busted! http://www.slashdotdash.net/articles/2006/12/28/the-perfect-rails-setup - bbqplate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@dafragsta
yup i totally agree!.i think RoR is an awesome environemt for the independent web developers. what i like the most is that is so easy to add new functionality to an existing application just by installing a plugin. - dafragsta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2@rodrigo74, Actually, I meant Ruby/Python not Rails/Python. They both us a pretty simplified syntax compared to traditional languages. (I think they use the SmallTalk syntax?)
- olicat, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5I imagine there are more than just the digg crowd hammering on their server at the moment.
- MacGyver2210, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Haha, not only is the single page down, but the entire rubyonrails.org server, go DIGG!
Once again, proving that Digg can be successfully used as a targeted anti-server weapon ... - dottiger, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1A genius parody of the RoR screencast:
http://digg.com/software/SQL_on_Rails_Ruby_on_Rails_parody - jtms1200, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4Linux and VIM makes for the best rails coding experience ;-)
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4What tool dugg this down? This is useful information, relevant to the article.
- dafragsta, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2to follow up on your second comment, I agree it's not a "pay the bills" kind of language, especially not without a huge demand for RoR skills yet, but if you just want to feel empowered, maybe to start your own website which basically just projects some big Web 2.0 idea, Rails gives you the ability to learn a better way to put your ideas into motion on a much shorter timeline (at the marginal expense to performance which the framework takes up in API tax)
- Mathewh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1actually, my copy of it JUST arrived last night! :)
thanks very much for the recommendations. - tobyjoe, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1It's definitely the SVN, which is running via Apache, I believe.
- majglow, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I'm only on a Powermac G5 with a 23" apple display :-/
I do have a nice macbook pro for the road though. - fluoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Why do so many Rails people also happen to also use Mac? Is there any particular reason, or that's just sort of what side of the fence they happened to land on? Just curious, and figured I'd ask you guys since some of you seem to be Mac+Rails people. I use Rails (but am relatively new to it still) on Linux.
- LordVoldemort, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"I think they use the SmallTalk syntax?"
No
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk - geniusj, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@dafragsta,
I wouldn't say that Python uses a Smalltalk syntax, though Ruby does to some extent. They both feature C-style argument passing, however. The main thing I've seen Ruby borrow from Smalltalk's syntax has been this:
array.each do |element|
...
end
Basically all of the block-passing features are Smalltalk derived. Smalltalk takes it even further by using them for conditionals as well with methods like ifTrue, ifFalse, etc. Not to mention the concept of symbols. I wish Smalltalk were more prevalent, honestly. It's a great language. - fluoro, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"If you're developing an e-commerce system with peoples usernames and passwords and credit card details stored in a DB then any code you use to encyprt/decrypt this data is fully accessible. Anyone gets on the box and they have everything they need."
You can keep people out of the code by setting up permissions, chroot, virtualization, or something. If you're worried about people hacking into the system, or people stealing the computer and having physical access to it.. then if that's likely to happen you have bigger problems. - objectified, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I found this one through a search, after finding out about the release in my RSS reader. I don't usually read the Apple category, I was already wondering why it wasn't on Digg. As for the textmate/vim comments - I prefer RadRails on Linux :)
- ucdesemuscles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1If you guys like MVC Frameworks, checkout www.qcodo.com. It's a PHP MVC Framework that gives you 90% of the functionality you need based on your data model.
- tuartboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Busted too. Heh, I'm looking to upgrade my 24" to a 30"...
- HenryFatass, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2http://duggmirror.com/
- nicksnels, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Luckely, you can use any operating system to start program with this wonderful framework. I'm really happy I switched from PHP a year ago to Ruby on Rails. I've managed to get a couple of projects out of the door, which I couldn't have done if I had stayed with PHP. Great work and a great thank you to the Rails team. I would say up to Rails 2.0.
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Compare Rails hosting companies - codercaff, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Awesome :) I can't wait! Ruby on Rails is awesome :D
- dnissley, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3@mrblack: I hate these people who go on about textmate making coding for RoR easier. It's a text editor. Get over it. Any text editor is going to make coding easier. Bottom line is that most people use textmate because its pretty.
- ohhmaagawd, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1firewall. that simple.
- riddleofsteel, on 10/12/2007, -7/+5Less than 100 Diggs and is feeling the effect? Guess they'll need a 1.2.2 before too long.
- jnorris441, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2Don't call me baby or sire. Or Shirley.
- magic6435, on 10/12/2007, -5/+1ColdFusion - Flex - Apollo ... what ?
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