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- kelly, on 08/26/2008, -2/+33Why would it be free?
- smashblu, on 08/26/2008, -1/+24They're running out of big jungle cats to call OS X.
- Zippo, on 08/26/2008, -11/+33I just hope Snow Leopard is offered as a free or cheap upgrade for us Leopard users.
Definitely promising updates to the system. - MtheoryX, on 08/26/2008, -0/+21If I wouldn't get caught, I would be uploading the Snow Leopard dev builds now...
You won't see a lot of "wow" from this release. I agree that it should be treated as a free, or really, really cheap upgrade. More like a point release.
That said, I have a few fav's in here:
1.) Exchange support
2.) Enhanced Podcast Producer tools, including a GUI tool for creating and editing workflows
3.) Safari 4 - mishaneah, on 08/26/2008, -0/+19but not Thunder Cats
- vibrokatana, on 08/26/2008, -4/+23NTFS has transaction snapshots, distributed storage, and can recover automatically from destroyed disks?
- Galaxylander, on 08/26/2008, -3/+20This isn't a service pack, wow are you mistaken, how about you go research what this actually does for the OS? It digs deep and is completely revamping the OS, making it more reliable, faster....
10.4 to 10.5 is no less of a feat than 2000 to XP. Vista is different, it's supposedly a complete OS rewrite. - KurtK9, on 08/26/2008, -3/+16I seriously doubt it'll be any cheaper than previous updates, but I'm sure they'll work in some other nice features too to make upgrading worthwhile for the average user.
- mstachiw, on 08/26/2008, -0/+13Jerry Seinfeld?
- daGUY, on 08/27/2008, -2/+14Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see the discrepancy. What he's saying is that on the PC, accessing more than 4 GB of RAM requires a special version of Windows (Enterprise, Datacenter, or 64-bit). On the Mac, one version of Leopard supports everything - no need to buy a higher-end version to support addressing additional RAM.
- DamnMan, on 08/26/2008, -12/+24I like how AppleInsider rags on Microsoft for only supporting 64bit in its more industrial versions of Windows only to later state that Apple does pretty much the same thing with the current state of OSX.
"Being able to use more than 4GB of RAM on a 32-bit PC requires support for PAE in the OS kernel. Microsoft has only supported this extra RAM in its Enterprise, Datacenter, and 64-bit versions of Windows; the standard 32-bit versions of Windows XP, Vista, and Windows Server are all still constrained to using 4GB of physical RAM"
"Currently, Mac OS X Leopard hosts both 32-bit and 64-bit apps on top of a 32-bit kernel. Using PAE, the 32-bit kernel can address 32GB of RAM in the Mac Pro and Xserve; Apple's consumer machines only support 4GB RAM"
AppleInsider is like Fox News for geeks. - cthellis, on 08/26/2008, -2/+13You do realize that by and large, Windows Service Packs are huge bundles of security patches and stability updates, right?
What's the biggest one you can think of... XP SP2, right? What were the biggest new features? An improved firewall (security), improved WiFi (such as to add more security options like WPA), a pop-up blocker in IE (security and anti-annoyance)... Oooh wait, they added the Windows Security Center!
...just what in heck COULD they have charged for? SP2 was there to make XP suck a lot less, not enhance the OS a lot more. - wiiittttt, on 08/26/2008, -11/+22We have had 64bit application support already since the release of Leopard. Snow Leopard adds 64bit Kernel libraries and driver.
READ THE ***** ARTICLE! - punkcat, on 08/26/2008, -2/+11probably will charge the normal $129 for it, which is fine.
if the upgrade doesn't do you any good, pass on it and wait for the next. - Raider007, on 08/26/2008, -7/+16Dear Vista,
Shame 32 bits apps have to run in an "environment" to work...
They run natively on my system...
Thanks for your welcome, hope you catch up soon,
Sincerely,
OSX - BossKey, on 08/26/2008, -0/+9So did you also think that Windows 2000 was 1905 increments better than Windows 95?
- KSUdesigner, on 08/26/2008, -7/+16Hello 64bit Vista,
Leopard is already 64bit.
http://www.apple.com/macosx/technology/64bit.html
Sincerely,
MacOS - e2superman, on 08/26/2008, -2/+11What ones? Nvidia 64 bit drivers are great. I run media center for my HDTV Tuner card in 64bit fine. No crashes in over a year. *Shrugs*
- VitriolAndAngst, on 08/27/2008, -0/+8Leopard is mostly 64 bit. But there are still libraries and non-converted applications that are integrated that aren't.
You aren't paying much of a penalty with the compromise Apple made.
With 64bit Vista, you get a separate OS that does 32bit poorly and buggy. You have missing drivers and this is not an OS for the average home user.
Your comment looks at the bit-ness in a purist sense. Microsoft isn't that pure in the 64 bit realm either.
But for the user experience -- Leopard is 64 bit and does it without getting in your way. Snow Leopard, will clean up more routines, and help developers become more "64 bit" pure -- but this is kind of esoteric, and developers need more time for it to be of much use to you and I. The larger memory and data structures will be useful for Enterprise class applications. Snow Leopard, however, will be faster merely because of optimizing routines and getting rid of legacy libraries -- not because of 64 bits.
And parts of the OS, like graphics, can address 128 bits. So there this idea of the "bit ness" is more of a curve, than an either or comparison.
Leopard is as 64 bit as 64 bit versions of Windows without the shortcomings. - e2superman, on 08/26/2008, -2/+10Not the kernel.
- eldridgea, on 08/27/2008, -0/+8"I don't use deer as a unit of currency"
I do. My lunch today cost 6 bucks. - MtheoryX, on 08/27/2008, -0/+7Erm (whatever that utterance is supposed to be), I said nothing about 32 or 64 bit processors or their memory limitations.
But, whatevas. - lndmn01, on 08/26/2008, -0/+7doe, a deer?
- cthellis, on 08/26/2008, -0/+7ME, an OS... that eve-ry-bo-dy hates...
- mateo60, on 08/26/2008, -1/+8B1663r doesn't seem to know what he's talking about.
- whitesaint, on 08/27/2008, -0/+764-bit is the future, already got my applications running 64-bit graphically. It's really not that hard to make 64-bit applications for Leopard either, in a nutshell: int -> NSInteger; float -> CGFloat; (object == nil) -> (!object); (object != nil) -> (object)
Hit the checkboxes for whatever architectures you want I.e. (PPC, PPC970, x86-32, x86-64) and you're done! Only drawback is that compiling for four architectures will generally quadruple the size of the application. I guess it's not too much of a drawback when you consider how easy it is to make 64-bit apps :) - MrSkills, on 08/26/2008, -2/+9Have you ever watched the "it goes to 11" scene in Spinal Tap?
You are making the same error. - inactive, on 08/26/2008, -4/+11ZFS! ZFS Xsan2! Xsan2!
- inactive, on 08/26/2008, -6/+13Now with more kool-aid?
- cyberwiz01, on 08/26/2008, -0/+7A female deer.
- inactive, on 08/27/2008, -0/+6wet pussy?
- Kier, on 08/27/2008, -0/+6WRONG! The original Core (Duo and Solo) are 32 bit.
- awhiteflame, on 08/27/2008, -1/+7@Galaxylander:
I don't know where you get your information, but Vista is far, _far_ from a complete rewrite. - e2superman, on 08/26/2008, -4/+10Not really. Your old kernel is 32bit.
- erzhaosong2000, on 08/26/2008, -1/+7Don't feed the troll.
- ferrariman60, on 08/26/2008, -1/+6Lol, it's dough, doe is a female deer. I don't use deer as a unit of currency, but maybe I'm just strange like that.
And any vista flavor comes in 64 bit. You have to request the 64 bit setup dvds on anything but ultimate though, but it's free. - patm1987, on 08/26/2008, -0/+5ray, a drop of golden sun.
- chevyorange, on 08/26/2008, -2/+7You get what you pay for?
- KloroFormd, on 08/26/2008, -2/+7ZFS brings the need to defrag?
EXT2, showing that Microsoft fails at filesystems since 1993. - BossKey, on 08/26/2008, -0/+5(Driving down the road, Homer hits a deer...)
Homer: "D'oh!"
Marge: "A deer!"
Lisa: "A female deer!" - tomis, on 08/27/2008, -0/+5Note that Safari 4 will be out for Tiger as well, whenever they finally ship it.
- patm1987, on 08/26/2008, -0/+5I was just sad that after Tiger they didn't do King Tiger. Up to that point they were following the naming conventions of German tanks.
- anphanax, on 08/27/2008, -1/+5Not without hacks. 4 GB (4,294,967,296 bytes) is the 32-bit address limit. If you want more address space, 64-bit architectures are the elegant and technically proper way of accomplishing that. And can't the 32-bit Enterprise and Data Center versions of Windows handle more than 4 GB?
- weiran, on 08/26/2008, -0/+4I hope it'll still work on my first gen 32-bit MacBook, it would be a bit of a bummer if they stopped supporting that already.
- Bjornstrom, on 08/27/2008, -0/+4Mac OS X 10.7 Lolcat
- TehDoctor, on 08/26/2008, -5/+9Hey there, Vista, glad to hear you've had 64 bit for a year. Linux has enjoyed it for 5.
- cthellis, on 08/26/2008, -0/+4I'm totally getting a Mac when OS X Cheetara comes out.
- samadam, on 08/26/2008, -0/+4Ignore the first number (the 10/X).
Problem solved dumbass! Numbering means nothing (see wine)! - soopafly, on 08/26/2008, -5/+9Please read the article. You're making yourself look like an ass.
- dark1587, on 08/27/2008, -1/+5Puma?
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