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- OneManArmy, on 10/16/2007, -0/+61Dugg just for the amount of effort placed into writing the article.
- axisofphilippe, on 10/16/2007, -1/+34Less than 2 weeks!
- Frost9999, on 10/16/2007, -1/+17It's not so much the bundling as the 'making it impossible to uninstall or do without' that people get upset about. I'm not an expert on Mail, but you can probably just drag it to the trash and it will be gone. Just like uninstalling most apps on an Apple.
- qpdb, on 10/16/2007, -2/+17I love appleinsider.
- Stirk, on 10/16/2007, -0/+15Apple's naming scheme must be too complicated for you. You see, a point upgrade denotes a new OS version while a double point upgrade denotes a "service pack". Example: 10.4.7 -> 10.4.8 is a service pack upgrade while 10.4 -> 10.5 is an OS upgrade.
- nakile, on 10/16/2007, -3/+17Your a idiot if you think a Windows service pack is the same thing as a new version of Mac OS X.
- tubeblender, on 10/16/2007, -2/+16Feed the troll
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Don't feed the troll... - screwzluse, on 10/16/2007, -0/+11The article was definitely a good article but I'm not a fan of the way it ended. The last paragraph had me looking for a "next page" link but couldn't find one. Maybe it's just personal preference but I like to see a kind of wrap up to articles to indicate the end of an article. Otherwise, definitely an informative article.
- MattInChicago, on 10/16/2007, -1/+12SexyBoo, you're comparing Leopard with SP2?
I think you need to read a little more about Leopard and SP2. Service Pack 2, the first service pack to add functionality to Windows, provided an enhanced firewall, improved the Wi-Fi support, a pop-up ad blocker for Internet Explorer, and some Bluetooth support. The main thrust of SP2 was Security with some advanced memory protection to take advantage of the NX bit that is incorporated into newer processors to stop some forms of buffer overflow attacks, and removal of raw socket support. Additionally, security-related improvements were made to e-mail and web browsing. This was not a gift from MS but a direct and needed response to the issues companies were having and an attempt to further license sales.
Apple security, well it is what it is, and the rest, such as WiFi and Bluetooth enhancements are usually free and have been. Apple recently updated both through software update.
To imply that Leopard is the equivalent of SP 2 is just silly and shows, at best, real ignorance of both or a worse a simple desire to be a jerk. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you're simply misinformed. - thewfirestarter, on 11/04/2007, -0/+11It's not the bundling thats the issue for most nerds. Windows got in trouble because it was near impossible to remove IE from Windows. Want to remove Mail.app or Safari? Navigate to Applications, select either and Command+delete.
- counterplex, on 10/16/2007, -1/+11Not to mention the service packs are free. Windows Vista is to Windows XP like OSX Leopard is to OSX Tiger. Windows XP SP2 is to Windows XP like OSX Tiger 10.4.2 is to OSX Tiger.
However, I do think the upgrade price of Leopard should be a bit lower - maybe $79. - kf6zql, on 10/16/2007, -0/+9Possibly FTP uploading? And I'm on a beta of Leopard right now, the answer is: NO. I just tried it and I cannot upload to my FTP site in finder. Use cyberduck.
- MrMetal, on 10/16/2007, -1/+10Did you READ the article?
- signal15, on 10/16/2007, -0/+8Hopefully they have improved support for MS Exchange (public folders, etc). Also, it would be nice if iCal could sync its calendars with Exchange. AddressBook already does, why not iCal?
Running Entourage sucks. - egrefen, on 10/15/2007, -0/+7Digg for putting the time and effort into telling a troll why he's wrong. However it'd be better if you had responded directly to his comment, so that people wouldn't accidental miss your input...
- njection, on 10/15/2007, -1/+8Im hoping UPLOADS work in Finder now.
- nakile, on 10/16/2007, -1/+8Except that Apple's built in programs don't have a million security holes and you can remove them with a few clicks.
- newbill123, on 10/15/2007, -0/+7Just like MS Exchange and Lotus Notes, Mail is growing into an appointment dashboard. My vote would be to keep mail focused on email, and break out the "hotlist of things that need your attention now" into its own app.
I'd prefer to have an "attention" app with a great user interface, but with plugins to use different RSS readers, Mail apps, Calendar managers, and Address organizers. And for those people (like my mom) who feel too pressured and confused by these types of in-your-face apps, they can stick with the one app at a time method they use now.
I like Mail's interface improvements, and I like the new HTML mail being available without being pushy. I just wish Mail would concentrate on email and let something else be my daily attention dashboard. - rebotfc, on 10/16/2007, -0/+6The data scrubbing is really great, often I will need to add a contact from a chain of emails, just right clicking on the persons name lets me add the contact address and telephone numbers.
Its great for calender events too, for instance it will see the phrase "Thursday at 4pm" and be able to translate that into a calender event for you. - theokandroid, on 10/16/2007, -4/+10No because Microsofts products tend to be useless in most senses. However Apple's programs are a pleasure to use.
- Tippis, on 10/16/2007, -0/+6It's a service pack in the same way Windows XP (5.1) is a service pack to Windows 2000 (5.0), or Win98 (4.1) and WinME (4.5) are service packs to Win95 (4.0), i.e. not at all.
Is the move from Tiger to Leopard a huge change? No, but neither were those .1 upgrades to the Windows OSes -- that still doesn't make them SPs - justinviger, on 10/15/2007, -1/+6I am really looking forward to stationary. How often I actually use it? Who knows.
- colincornaby, on 10/16/2007, -0/+5Because unlike Internet Explorer, if I take Mail, put it in the trash, and then empty the trash, it really is gone.
- mikepictor, on 10/16/2007, -0/+4Think of it more like Win 2000 to Win XP. There is fairly substantial alterations to the underpinnings of the whole OS, a new visual styling to almost everything, new features, people calling it a service pack are just trying to troll, or find something to bad mouth Apple about.
- tdhurst, on 10/15/2007, -0/+4You can uninstall Apple's programs rather easily and THAT'S the difference.
- cleverboy, on 10/16/2007, -0/+4It took me a couple of times, before I realized that "Just a Service Pack" is a way Windows fanboys attempt to "bait" anyone talking about Leopard. The first time, I genuinely thought the person didn't realize what they were talking about and was just in need of a succinct explanation (like the one by Stirk below). I'm ready to upgrade my machine to get at this release. I remember spending a good long time on Microsoft's website trying to find reasons why I would want Vista. With Leopard, Apple had me at "Time Machine". Only problem with Apple is that most people have been poring over these features for a year now, and they've been mum on the unspoken stuff (to the point of cease and desisting AppleInsider).
- MattElmore, on 10/16/2007, -0/+4Finder mounts FTP shares read only.
- Angostura, on 10/16/2007, -2/+6That's right. Because Apple abuses it's monopoly situation by creating an artificial barrier to competition. ... except... not it doesn't.
- rspeed, on 10/15/2007, -0/+4Most Mail.app plugins will not work out of the box. The plugin system still exists, howover, so I expect that this is similar what happened with Tiger and that the plugins will be updated quickly.
- rinks, on 10/16/2007, -0/+4Apple's template division apparently thinks my life is rich and full of excitement.
"Pics of our Thai vacation!"
"Join us for a vietnamese dinner party"
"Menu Approval for Patio luncheon"
"Yacht Comparison chart" (okay, that might not be in there)... - FenrisUlf, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Yep, it does. No more need for hacks (good thing too, since a lot of the plugin support went away).
- Genady, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3It's not an appointment dashboard, it's a GTD-ish inbox. Not a terrible idea, especially given the popularity of Mail Act On.
- Kelmon, on 10/16/2007, -0/+3That feature in itself looks damned-right awesome. I get a lot of new contacts via email with their contact details in the signature and I'm always having to copy/paste this information into a new Address Book contact - having Mail pickup this information automatically is going to save quite a bit of time in itself. I'm also really looking forwards to the To-Do service and hoping that lots of other applications start using that service as well. iChat, for example, would be a good one and any other source of new information.
- rinks, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Nice reasoning.
- thewfirestarter, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Growl?
- natenovs, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3useless, hence the multibillion dollar fines?
- newbill123, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3I agree. Though I often read the first page of "history" and think "How could they have left out _x_?" I think it's a pretty good start at looking at some of the giants' shoulders these OS X technologies are standing on. Not definitive, but certainly far more acknowledging that Leopard is not a sui generis product springing forth directly from Steve Jobs forehead.
I hope they cover some of the developer tools as well. Xcode & Interface Builder will be much more feature packed in Leopard. And (though it may be too programmer geeky) Objective-C 2.0 has a good evolution from Smalltalk, C, Objective-C, and Java. - mcnitt, on 10/16/2007, -0/+3And the answer is yes, it does. :) http://c-command.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652&h ...
- postalblowfish7, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3can you send html emails without jankily hitting command-i in safari?
- sequethin, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3I hope spam sieve will still work...
- PhillyMJS, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Ahh, Claris Emailer, that takes me back!
When I saw that demoed at MacWorld in Boston in '95, I couldn't get my hands on a copy fast enough. I used it faithfully for years after it was canned, only switching to Entourage 2001 in late 2001, just before I moved from OS 9 to OS X. IIRC Emailer was the only 3rd party email client that could retrieve AOL mail.
Interestingly enough, Entourage is the direct descendant of Emailer. Jud Spencer was the guy behind Emailer, and when it was killed he went to Microsoft and did the Mac version of Outlook Express, and then Entourage.
More info here: http://blog.entourage.mvps.org/2007/05/in_the_begi ...
I'm not sure why it says that Emailer wasn't released until June of 1996, because I only went to MacWorld Boston once, in 1995. It was there that I saw it demoed, and spent the rest of my time at the show trying in vain to find a copy from any of the vendors on the show floor. I ordered it direct from Claris for half price not long after I got home via a 'MacWorld specials' order form, and I know I had it in my hands before 1995 was out. - tedc, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3Folding RSS into Mail makes a lot of sense. It'll be nice to have them grouped together with the mailing lists I check every day.
As for the to-do and note taking functions, it wasn't clear to me from the article how they work. Do they get sent out like email (so that you can sync your machines at work and home, for example), or do they just sit on the local hard drive and use Mail as a viewer? If they go out as mail, is there any security? I'm not sure I would want this stuff sitting on a mail server without some encryption. - rinks, on 10/15/2007, -0/+3I forgot to add the "todo list" sample: hiking in Yosemite national park.
- slylikeafox, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2Why are you spamming? I guess you want to get kicked off Digg. You have been reported.
- tubeblender, on 10/15/2007, -1/+3welcome to earth, stranger
- GreenAlien, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2Prince McLean's recent series of articles on AppleInsider have been top draw.
- msgyrd, on 10/16/2007, -0/+2Safari is a universal binary. 2MB of x86, 2Mb for PPC and probably 2Mb of language localizations/settings, the size isn't that strange. True, most of the functionality is built into webkit, but rendering HTML is such a basic feature, I don't think it really matters in the sense of monopoly abuse anymore. While Apple has security problems too (it's inevitable), they do have a better record than Microsoft.
- stalefries, on 10/16/2007, -0/+2Hey, it's $69 if you use the student discount! :)
- blackjack75, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2Just tell me the notes part will allow to change the fonts and color. I don't want to look like I'm my grandmother who just discovered Comic Sans in MSWord.
- manitoba98xp, on 10/15/2007, -0/+2That's one feature I wished Apple never implemented. Sure, it's neat in theory, but "stationary" has long been one of the many scourges of the Internet since it was introduced in Windows email clients years ago. Apple's looks nicer, but I'd still rather receive a nice, neatly-formatted, well-written email.
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