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Rivals 'Scared Sh*tless' of 3G Apple iPhone with GPS
popularmechanics.com — 3G? Video? That's old news. Rival companies tell PM's senior tech editor they're shaking in their boots over the prospect of Steve Jobs enabling iPhone 2.0 with GPS, and a stripped-down cellphone might even outsell the original. A modest proposal for June's WWDC keynote.
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- dalkor, on 05/29/2008, -14/+66Great article. I am certainly upgrading for 3G and GPS from my 1st generation iphone. Do it Steve.
- jabberwolf, on 05/29/2008, -17/+31Great article? Isn't this crap and propaganda?!
If it came with GPS it would then by up-to-date with many other smart phones.
Just like them upgrading to 3G - which most others already have and are in fact going to faster networks.
New browsers on the horizon can do the same, play flash, and run java.
New devices on the horizon that have higher resolution.
So to be scared sh*tless, rivals will need something else other than standards they already have and have had for awhile now.- HumbleDialog, on 05/30/2008, -8/+23They are probably scared ***** because this is a phone that is actually going to sell. Regular people will spend $500 on it. Most people wouldn't pay that much for other business-oriented smart phones.
- Kingoftherings, on 05/30/2008, -12/+4Kinda sad that it'll outsell nice smart phones like the Blackberry, which is vastly superior.
I'm still waiting on Android, it'll blow iPhone out of the water.
- Kingoftherings, on 05/30/2008, -12/+4Kinda sad that it'll outsell nice smart phones like the Blackberry, which is vastly superior.
- mm911, on 05/30/2008, -6/+20Wrong. Even without GPS and 3G, iPhone is the best selling smartphone. The numbers don't lie. The other companies have struggled to catch up to iPhone's interface, and have failed every time. Once iPhone catches up in the speed department and adds GPS, Palm and Nokia and LG may as well mail it in.
- dysonlu, on 05/30/2008, -6/+12Maybe best selling smartphone in USA. Not true anywhere else. Get out of your Reality Distortion Field.
- gcnaddict, on 05/30/2008, -4/+5Why is dysonlu being dugg down?
- p3ngwin, on 05/30/2008, -2/+6Iphone best selling?
what planet does this guy live on, one where America is the capitol of the globe?
the iphone isn't selling anywhere else because it's too expensive and has less features than all the other devices that are available and have been for some time.....you know the devices that number in their thousands that aren't released in the USA?
if you could see all the cool ***** that Asia and Europe get to play with, USA would have a fit....unless of course you LIVE in the USA and think the Iphone is the best device on the planet. - jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1The current iPhone is too expensive for the features it has, we should all agree on that. It was priced to match the combination of smart phone and iPod and still be competitive. The vague specifications on the 3G iPhone having a 5MP camera as many suggest, GPS, WiFi, North America 3G, and the finger based touch screen interface positions it to be one of the more dramatic entries into the market. With the soon to be open programming interface (within Apple's parameters) the phone will garner more attention than Symbian and Palm combined and probably as much as the Windows CE-Mobile Pro 6.1 in terms of programmer attention. This leads to a better software selection and hopefully a diverse but highly functional program environment.
As for features compared to "superior Phones"
-if it has a 5MP camera, it will position itself along the lines of the N95, xperia, viewty, N82, and k850 for potential picture quality. It will probably have a simpler camera interface than half of these but the integration with iPohot on Mac and Adobe on PC should increase the perceived value of this camera feature. A 3MP camera would be very nice but just at expectations to ride the standard edge of newer smartphones.
-WiFi, one of the best uses. Have you used wifi on a blackberry or windows mobile, OR symbian for that matter? my goodness it is not a very great experience. Maybe some 3rd party app would help but in general, it is less good and more bad in the use of connecting and setting up. iPhone is better in this regard and allows all functions, save for calls and sms, to go through wifi network.
-3G, well we will just have to see. I am not holding my breath because I constantly find myself at my girlfriends and do not bring a charger and am not foolish enough to leave the phone in the car (plus i am always using it anyhow). Lowered battery life? no thanks. american 3G sucks but I do live by Redmond, WA so it will be better than almost anywhere else. Fingers crossed.
-GPS, most gps functions on phones suck. I have used blackberry, nokia, and lg based nav and i wouldn't choose any of them again. I am intrigued by the A-GPS on the N82 but as mentioned elsewhere, this is a nod to having to have a network connection. I like my phones without network dependency. I think Nokia should implement the N810 navigation in a phone and sell memory cards ie miniSDHC 8GB with the nav system on half the card partitioned unformattable. An iPhone with GPS could be great with the screen size and storage capacity, but I hear complaints already but I know i would use it if the advanced POI is even remotely functional (Google Maps?)
-Touch Screen... Well, this puts this phone against only one other genre smart phone IF all the stats are correct, the xperia by Sony Ericsson. The experia has a big, high res touch screen, no pen necessary but is thick thanks to the slide out keyboard. Windows Mobile 6.1 makes an Exposé esque experience that is to be coveted on the iPhone. And it is going to be a similar price.
The difference between SE and Apple in this case of offering the top features in a phone is simply marketing and integrated functionality. The iPhone is simply marketed better and has superior functionality in the user-base centered in the states. I know windows mobile phones are not as well received in Europe as they should be highly scrutinized for their lag, restricted feeling, and almost archaic styling. With all that real estate, why muddle the look with boxy icons? Humanistic User Interface is superior.
In recap, the potential of the impending iPhone would set it head and shoulders above current offerings for the Nokia N95 which is slightly bulky, has no touch screen, ect, the Nokia N96, same as before but sexier, the N82, which is still just a candybar, the LG offerings that have some but not all the toys in one shop, Sony Ericsson, the Xperia is the closest thing but lacks the natural capacity to sync the way an iPhone does.
How can Apple Fail...
Not offering an adequate battery life, having a crappy 3G radio, failing to provide a significant camera upgrade to be competitive, adding too much bulk too the phone, and not increasing the capacity of storage.
Essentially, revising the phone while failing to meet the top specifications of the industry and poorly executing the user experience of those specifications.
My own two cents. I would put down money on this phone if it has a 5MP camera, 3G (hopefully Euro and Both American bands), and GPS with the new version of Google Maps or better software. I will not PAY for navigation and would not pay for any elaborate data plan. Will it unlock? hopefully cupertino has figured out that leaving the phone tolerant of unlocking is key to increased sales so I will guess yes. Will it be the best phone, yes. Is it going to be the best smartphone? Depends on user needs. Inevitably, it is a force the industry has to reckon with and Apple has penetrated the market with force.
- happyseamonster, on 05/31/2008, -0/+3Let me make something clear. You little ***** iphone deniers will switch and you will beg for more. DIE! DIE! DIE! : ) Lighten up fellas.
- HumbleDialog, on 05/30/2008, -8/+23They are probably scared ***** because this is a phone that is actually going to sell. Regular people will spend $500 on it. Most people wouldn't pay that much for other business-oriented smart phones.
- brundlefly76, on 05/30/2008, -9/+7I have GPS on my Blackberry and never use it - its one of those features that sounded useful in theory but is practically useless in the real world.
In NYC, for example, GPS is notorious for not even working with a decent car receiver sometimes, never mind a mobile phone gps receiver.
Also if you are truly lost and out of cell range the GPS is of little use - all the maps are online.- JKVM, on 05/30/2008, -2/+6I use Google Maps on my iPhone all the time. It's implementation is great and very usable. Having GPS and 3G, even if they only added to the Google Maps app, would make me very happy and I'd use them all the time.
- diggingaround, on 05/30/2008, -4/+3Looking for Starbucks? I don't think you need a phone w/GPS to locate one ;)
- JKVM, on 05/30/2008, -2/+6I use Google Maps on my iPhone all the time. It's implementation is great and very usable. Having GPS and 3G, even if they only added to the Google Maps app, would make me very happy and I'd use them all the time.
- dysonlu, on 05/30/2008, -6/+3Great article??? I guess you don't read much.
- xmod3, on 05/30/2008, -9/+2@dalkor: Ur a dumbass for buying the iphone to begin with. u fvcking monkey.
dance monkey, dance...- firstpost, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3My advice to you:
-stick to 4chan
if you choose not to follow this advice, then at least:
-learn English
-learn that when using the reply button, you don't have to put the "@name" in front of your comment
- firstpost, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3My advice to you:
- jabberwolf, on 05/29/2008, -17/+31Great article? Isn't this crap and propaganda?!
- mattnyc99, on 05/29/2008, -3/+18OK, so now that this story seems to make it clear that GPS is a definite possibility with this Jobs update, and that iPhone Nanos could come next time around, this is as good a place to start as any: WHAT FEATURES DOES iPHONE 2.0 NEED TO BLOW AWAY THE COMPETITION?
- ACityInOhio, on 05/29/2008, -5/+50A really strong fan?
...
I'm sorry, but I had to.- Strykar, on 05/29/2008, -19/+2You're getting dugg down for it. And rightly so.
- nmnnotmyname, on 05/30/2008, -0/+7Currently,
ACityInOhio: +24 -5
Strykar: +2 -11
So the score is now 19 to -11. Yay backfire ;)
- nmnnotmyname, on 05/30/2008, -0/+7Currently,
- debuggercll, on 05/29/2008, -0/+12I liked it.
- EtherGnat, on 05/30/2008, -0/+27Nobody has stronger fans than apple.
- nmnnotmyname, on 05/30/2008, -0/+12This is so win it's unbelievable.
- Strykar, on 05/29/2008, -19/+2You're getting dugg down for it. And rightly so.
- VitriolAndAngst, on 05/30/2008, -13/+53d Games.
Full quality Video up and down -- meaning conferencing.
Ability to share web access with a laptop via bluetooth.
Ability to watch movies and purchase them via phone.
Ability to do most any computing task (I wouldn't include LOTS of typing) you will typically need.
At least a few megs up and down in bandwidth with new network. State of the art chips that blow away all other offerings.
Doesn't suck. - polychrome, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Well, the reason I did not buy an iphone was that it cannot be tethered via bluetooth to my computer (I think that is the correct terminology?) -- Of course it connects to computers via bluetooth for file transfers, but I use my cellphone (AT & T by the way) to connect my mac to the internet via the bluetooth. Granted it is not the fastest connection around, but I have found it indispensable. I have heard an iphone can be hacked to do this, but I'm not interested in hacking an expensive piece like that. Is there a portable keyboard you can connect to the iphone? That would make a difference - last time I checked you could not connect a bluetooth keyboard to the iphone.
- HolyChimp, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5Actually, the only thing the iPhones bluetooth can do is handsfree headsets. That's it.
it can't do file transfer, or syncing over iSync, or bluetooth modemming (as you said), or stereo bluetooth headphones. It's the most pointless bluetooth chip ever installed in a devie.- nmnnotmyname, on 05/30/2008, -3/+1No *****... I have cheap cell phones with more capabilities than that.
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1well, actually, it is on par for being as worthless as 75% of all verizon phones crippled bluetooth. I don't know how many times i have had to hack a firmware for a friend on a verizon phone just to send photos and songs through bluetooth.
- HolyChimp, on 05/30/2008, -1/+5Actually, the only thing the iPhones bluetooth can do is handsfree headsets. That's it.
- eldridgea, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5WiMax
- happyseamonster, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1If you have 3G and unlimited data plan for 20USD, why do you need WiMax? BTW, a TRUE unlimited -- not a limited unlimited.
- RobotBuddha, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3I don't know about blow away, but I never would have bought one if not for the 3rd party apps. Some of that really needs to get in there officially. Wireless sync, downloading podcasts directly from an opl feed, better camera features in software, video recording, an ebook reader. Just some of the things that are available on other phones, can be on the iphone once it's opened up, and which could really stand to get a nod.
- mparker7410, on 05/30/2008, -5/+2What does it need to blow the competition? Your Mom. Certainly.
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -13/+31. Keyboard
2. Keyboard
3. Keyboard- czechsmola, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2Have you used the phone yet.. with a keyboard it would be a treo with a different OS its much easier to type on the iphone then on a treo or BB.
if you rater have a small screen for all the other neat stuff the iphone can do go by a BB or treo
the one thing I would change is for the ability to add other language packs.
- czechsmola, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2Have you used the phone yet.. with a keyboard it would be a treo with a different OS its much easier to type on the iphone then on a treo or BB.
- CreativeGuy, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4It needs about a $250 discount on the cost of the phone!
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0Some bugles sounded in a fanfare such as this a month or so ago. Fingers crossed as I havent had an account with this ATT yet and would love to get my hands on a contract to cut the cost.
- tama00, on 05/30/2008, -0/+13G+GPS = SOCIAL NETWORKING FUN!
the iphone will be able to go, hey your friend from facebook is at the coffee shop down the road with that hot chick you admire. Your friends have posted reviews on the coffee shop - 'i think this is the best coffee shop always the hottest chicks around'.
welcome to the world of tomorrowwwwww..- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0I agree. MY old professor Berny Bates at UPS believes that this is the second iteration of the use for the web. It already shows that facebook/myspace hog a vast share of total bandwidth use as far as web browsing goes. It makes sense that the phone is just the mobilized function of this. I was using Opera on my Curve to facebook anywhere/everywhere. With WIFI it is perfect in general terms. The iPhone will just make it even better when it is integrated.
PS, Helio, Nokia, and Boost have all had this technology and actively use it in their handsets (RIP Boost)
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0I agree. MY old professor Berny Bates at UPS believes that this is the second iteration of the use for the web. It already shows that facebook/myspace hog a vast share of total bandwidth use as far as web browsing goes. It makes sense that the phone is just the mobilized function of this. I was using Opera on my Curve to facebook anywhere/everywhere. With WIFI it is perfect in general terms. The iPhone will just make it even better when it is integrated.
- tikistyle, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2It needs to be on other networks, Verizon specifically.
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0yuck, bad idea. Verizon is in planning mode for a strong network reconstruction because they need to switch to a better platform for future handsets. They choose the GSM 4G technology and since the contract for the manufacture of chipsets is therefore going to be on GSM spec, unless all their phones follow the Blackberry 8830, they will either have to send all calls over 4G (not a bad idea, compressed, low bandwidth consumption, high bandwidth avail, better batter life...), switch all towers or MVNO some GSM tower love, or make each handset more expensive with multiple chip platforms. The later is preferred but who am I? just one guy.
- Chirp08, on 05/30/2008, -0/+4Not be on AT&T?
Seriously, the network lock in has me buying a blackberry today. Everybody I know, and in the is area uses Verizon, it is the most reliable, (I'll get a signal where some friends can't get anything). Not to mention txting and all that is free Verizon to Verizon. - jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0This is what I think it will take.
http://digg.com/apple/Rivals_Scared_Sh_tless_of_3G ...- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0PS, that is in a reply to MM911
- ACityInOhio, on 05/29/2008, -5/+50A really strong fan?
- HIFIsamurai, on 05/29/2008, -8/+253g FTW!
- LightSpeed4, on 05/29/2008, -17/+4fanboy FTL!
- psiaii, on 05/29/2008, -18/+3Apple predict well the IT future
- sladek, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2what?
- wellyuk, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2He's trying to sound like he's a star trek character.
- sladek, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2what?
- MikeonTV, on 05/29/2008, -11/+98Scared shirtless?
- DannyDriffs, on 08/25/2008, -1/+10Black shirtless.
- Dubbsacc, on 05/29/2008, -8/+10You're doing it wrong.
There's only one asterisk, not two.- Noein, on 05/29/2008, -0/+19Maybe it's using wildcards.
- skidooer, on 05/29/2008, -1/+11An asterisk can expand infinitely. A question mark or period represents the replacement of only a single character.
- chongli, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5If you're using grep, sure. That'd allow you to match "Shtless" "Shhtless" "Shhhtless" "Shhhhtless" and so on.
- skidooer, on 05/29/2008, -5/+1You'd be scared shirtless too if you weren't wearing a black turtleneck.
- BrendanSheehan, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Good reading there.
- gwhardyiv, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2What a nagger.
- SeraphIXI, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1They're shirting themselves in fear.
- psogle, on 05/29/2008, -5/+48I can't deal with edge data speeds, I really need 3G so I can spend more of my free time staring at my iPhone
- mjhstudios, on 05/29/2008, -0/+24Wouldn't you be spending less time?
- worldgate, on 05/30/2008, -8/+1Sprint already has a 3G iphone type phone.
- mattsx, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3Does it have visual voicemail? Boo-yah!!
- mcnearcj, on 05/30/2008, -0/+4You're really never going to win with this argument. The iPhone may do the same things as some other phones or some phones maybe do a good job doing things the iPhone does. The thing that attracts reasonable people to the iPhone is HOW it does it. (and then you have the fanboys who would use the iphone even if it had less features than a pulse dial phone)
- mjhstudios, on 05/29/2008, -0/+24Wouldn't you be spending less time?
- skeletorcares, on 05/29/2008, -28/+13Nothign like taking a 2007 fad, and trying to make it a 2008+ fad.
- MacParrot, on 05/29/2008, -4/+19Substitute 2003 for 2007 and a lot of people said the same about the iPod 5 years ago. With a consistency of design, ease of use, and the iTunes Music Store, Apple pretty much defined the market.
I really wasn't that impressed by the iPhone gen 1 (and therefore didn't buy one) and I'll wait and see what features the next one has. I know what I want and will hold off even more if Apple doesn't deliver it, but considering they had zero presence in the cell phone market you better believe the other makers are paying attention.
Look at how many phones have similar interfaces now. Apple will most likely never become the number one seller of cell phones, but if their presence makes other makers phones better as far as the interface goes, I'm not complaining. We all win even if you don't like Apple. - digitalarcanum, on 05/29/2008, -10/+8buried because:
as we all know if Steve Jobs adds a feature to an Apple (tm) product, no matter what conformist, nerdy product had it before Apple, it's suddenly hip, trendy, non-conformist and "lickable" when apple integrates it into the product line.
also, sage-- er, buried for WWDC. Digg had a countdown timer for the last WWDC and all we got was the macbook air.- MacParrot, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3More features mean little if they are poorly integrated. More features mean little if the average buyer doesn't know how to use them. No one is saying that whatever new features the next iPhone will have will be groundbreaking or never seen before but chances are they will work better than most (MOST) other phones.
If Apple does anything well it's interfaces. - skibob1027, on 05/30/2008, -2/+1FYPFY: Digg had a countdown for the last Macworld and all we got was the MacBook Air
/fanboy - shank2001, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2Ok, what about THIS feature: a great interface. Apple took a cell phone, added the features they wanted.... who cares if they were not first... and made the best interface ever seen on a phone, or a PDA for that matter, period! Apple did it right. You can actually browse the internet like you were at your computer. Who cares if other cell phones have a web browser, Apple's is the only one that is a joy to use. And that is just ONE example. So funny reading all these whiners complain that such and such a phone already had such and such a feature that the iphone has. That is NOT the point.
- mrBitch, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1RE : " You can actually browse the internet like you were at your computer. Who cares if other cell phones have a web browser, Apple's is the only one that is a joy to use. "
That's _exactly_ why the iPhone is selling so well. Once you demonstrate the interface & the web browser, you have a product that beats every other smartphone even _before_ the iPhone gets 3G.
With 3G & exchange integration, the iPhone will completely obliterate any potential competitors for the next few years.
- mrBitch, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1RE : " You can actually browse the internet like you were at your computer. Who cares if other cell phones have a web browser, Apple's is the only one that is a joy to use. "
- MacParrot, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3More features mean little if they are poorly integrated. More features mean little if the average buyer doesn't know how to use them. No one is saying that whatever new features the next iPhone will have will be groundbreaking or never seen before but chances are they will work better than most (MOST) other phones.
- nycmac247, on 05/29/2008, -3/+3you're right - Apple's going out of business...right???
- MacParrot, on 05/29/2008, -4/+19Substitute 2003 for 2007 and a lot of people said the same about the iPod 5 years ago. With a consistency of design, ease of use, and the iTunes Music Store, Apple pretty much defined the market.
- bubbler, on 05/29/2008, -7/+673G speeds will be nice, but IMHO the nicest thing will be all of the new applications that will become available with the opening of the platform. Apple has great engineers and they make good software, but now we get the advantage of the entire community of software developers thinking up interesting things to do with the iPhone platform.
- stasis88, on 05/30/2008, -1/+0Its about time........... Why did they take so long to figure that one out!!!
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2It didn't. They had to delay even a Beta until Leopard was released (which was months after the iPhone launched), since it has pieces of Leopard in it, and otherwise it's simply a matter of launching it correctly and in good shape, rather than "tossing something out there" and then trying to clean up one problem after another.
Having it show up a year after launch in good shape, after NEEDING to delay it at least 5 months is still pretty good timing in the tech-scape.
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2It didn't. They had to delay even a Beta until Leopard was released (which was months after the iPhone launched), since it has pieces of Leopard in it, and otherwise it's simply a matter of launching it correctly and in good shape, rather than "tossing something out there" and then trying to clean up one problem after another.
- Bandit1000, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1Agreed. Even though many other phones have tons of apps, Apple will make it happen for real. AppStore will be so simple to use that even non-techie users will start to download apps.
- stasis88, on 05/30/2008, -1/+0Its about time........... Why did they take so long to figure that one out!!!
- ttamshadbolt, on 05/29/2008, -29/+14the iPhone wouldn't take that much market away from other phone manufacturers - buried
- gwolf, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3They already have, wouldn't you say?
- WomensUnderwear, on 05/29/2008, -36/+15***** THE IPHONE
- GeekyGerge, on 05/29/2008, -1/+8Okay, but I am NOT filming it this time.
- pigducksheep, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3Well once the iphone can take video, you better be careful.
- GeekyGerge, on 05/29/2008, -1/+8Okay, but I am NOT filming it this time.
- damndj, on 05/29/2008, -42/+55GPS in cellphones is old news too. Welcome to the party Apple. All the cake has been eaten. I doubt RIM is shaking at anything.
- thebassmaster, on 05/29/2008, -6/+21the cake is a lie!
- ruddy, on 05/29/2008, -12/+1/portal
- bluntphallus, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0Really? I did not know that. Thank you for elaborating.
So what's Portal, then? Some kind of drug?
- bluntphallus, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0Really? I did not know that. Thank you for elaborating.
- ruddy, on 05/29/2008, -12/+1/portal
- AvidPreatorian, on 05/29/2008, -12/+15only good features of RIM is 3g, now iPhone will grab it. with its other functionality years ahead of rim, it'll be more than a worthy competitor. just watch sales, especially with new apps coming for the business community.
rim might not be "shaking" but they are most definitly very concerned - and that's a good thing for all aconsumers. - e2superman, on 05/29/2008, -15/+10I would argue that RIM's email features are years ahead of apples.... FTW idiot.
- skidooer, on 05/29/2008, -5/+5While the Blackberry is technically superior in this regard, the iPhone has it right: Just point at any old IMAP server and you're ready to roll.
- TheOther1, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2And suppose your company IMAP server is firewalled? What then?
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3They'd have to open it in some fashion to let Blackberry traffic through, so... couldn't they also open it in the same fashion for inter-company iPhones? The same way they do for employee laptops?
- majglow, on 05/30/2008, -3/+6the iPhone will have full exchange support in a few days. That includes address book, calendar syncing, etc... In other words, email features to rival the top of the line blackberries.
- e2superman, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2As it was said above. Most companies firewall their email so it can only be accessed on the intranet of the company. I doubt an insecure apple device will haev access via the internet. Blackberry uses an encrypted RSA method to access email. Servers at the companies use this to allow blackberries to get their email and sync up. Apple does nto have this and any majoy company will not allow their email servers to be available on the internet directly (which is how your apple phone would try to connect). Sorry but the iphone does not have the infrastructure nor tech in place to make this a business phone.
- skidooer, on 05/29/2008, -5/+5While the Blackberry is technically superior in this regard, the iPhone has it right: Just point at any old IMAP server and you're ready to roll.
- Tenoq, on 05/29/2008, -3/+23And yet with Apple's UI they'll steal some serious GPS market if they include that functionality. See, despite being relatively featureless, the first iPhone sold because it was enjoyable to use (unlike most cells which you seem to fight with to do what you want). The second will be no different: it's just adding the features all the naysayers were whining about the first time around.
- TheOther1, on 05/30/2008, -4/+1Yes, fighting with your cell. Because pressing the 10 digits followed by the send key has always presented a high degree of difficulty for most people.
- znicket, on 05/30/2008, -1/+6If you think that is the only thing your phone is good for... boy are you missing out.
- TheOther1, on 05/30/2008, -4/+1Yes, fighting with your cell. Because pressing the 10 digits followed by the send key has always presented a high degree of difficulty for most people.
- Billions, on 05/30/2008, -2/+11Will you come back and post 'welcome to the party, you're late' when RIM adds touch screens and accelerometers a year late? Probably not.
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -4/+2See, accelerometers are exactly the kind of crap Apple puts in their devices that cause them not to be taken seriously.
An accelerometer but no 3G? An accelerometer but no keyboard?
If you want to see what an iPhone should look like, try the AT&T Tilt. It has a horsey operating system in Windows Mobile, but there are already skins (like HTC's Cube) that make it navigate as well if not better than the iPhone.
Apple has always been flash over function, with any luck in this round they'll serious-up.- kashk5, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3You clearly haven't used the Touch or the iPhone if you think the former's interface is as good as, let alone better than, the iPhone's. My sister has a Touch and its UI completely sucks in comparison to my iPhone. It's nowhere near as fluid and intuitive. Sure, it may have a few more features, but what's the point when they're so difficult to use?
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1Let me start this post the same way I started the last one:
See, it's that sort of shallow decision-making that causes iPhone buyers not to be taken seriously. iPhone is a fashion accessory chosen by people who hold that as the first priority.
I don't have a Touch, I have an 8900/Tilt, and have used a bunch of others. And unlike iPhone users I actually need to spend my money for a device that's functional. One that I can use at work. Since my work does not involve YouTube or looking at pictures of puppies, the iPhone is useless. An enormously expensive silly device for silly people.
Don't believe me? Why don't we sit down for a little contest? Four Word documents to edit, two Excel spreadsheets to create, ten SMS messages to type, and five e-mails to send, and let's see who gets done quicker.
Sure, I'll be long gone while you're still entering those e-mails one finger at a time, and how's that Word document coming?
But the accelerometer sure is cool, and you only paid $250 more than me!
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -4/+2See, accelerometers are exactly the kind of crap Apple puts in their devices that cause them not to be taken seriously.
- shank2001, on 05/30/2008, -2/+10Guess what, that is not the point. The point is the interface makes it a joy to use. Have you used google maps on the iphone? It is stellar how easy it is to use. WAY better than my current smartphone's implementation of it. Add GPS and you have a GREAT feature that, while it exists in other phones, Apple did it RIGHT.
- Kinnkster, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4Another person that doesn't understand Apple.
- synagence, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1They might be late but they have a chance to do it right... but i've had 2 phones in the past 2 years both with in-built GPS and they both have crappy software.
Latest one is the Maps2.0 from Nokia on N95 ... its ok at best but its still a poor (slow) GPS system, slow to search , bad input method, small screen etc.
iPhone with GPS powered by GoogleMaps with voice-nav is a pretty devastating coup in my eyes. Couple with data service to download traffic/landmark/store or cafe info and its got it. Continually updated maps from google on a system with a large screen and great input method.
Roll on 9th!
- thebassmaster, on 05/29/2008, -6/+21the cake is a lie!
- ChristophyBrown, on 05/29/2008, -7/+8Can somebody inform me on what 3G stands for? Or what any of this means? I've heard a lot about this and have no clue what any of it means.
- Typhoon2009, on 05/29/2008, -2/+12Third generation of cell phone technlogies. Literature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G
- ngmcs8203, on 05/29/2008, -9/+23G is the network that the iPhone is "hopefully" moving to. Currently AT&T only offers the iPhone on a slower network.
- Patori, on 05/29/2008, -1/+10Not quite right...
- MrTito, on 05/29/2008, -3/+9It's a network standard that cell phones use. Most phones seem to be either 3G or 2G (EDGE). Right now the current iPhone is only capable of EDGE. The new one will be 3G. Obviously, 3G is faster and more robust being newer than 2G. So basically the new iPhone (2.0?) will be able to do it's internet magics faster than the current one.
Just to clarify from one of the posts above, it's an Apple issue not an AT&T issue. If 3G was built into the first iPhone then it'd run on 3G. It's a manufacturers choice, not a carrier, unless that carrier doesn't have a 3G network. But AT&T is 3G.- bitspace, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7AT&T's 3G network is actually still in the process of being built out. While your point about it being a handset hardware issue is valid, it has also been a matter of AT&T's geographically limited 3G network.
- MrTito, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3Point taken. I was basing AT&T being 3G off of my personal usage. They're 3G here (Birmingham), and my phone is 3G capable.
- bitspace, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7AT&T's 3G network is actually still in the process of being built out. While your point about it being a handset hardware issue is valid, it has also been a matter of AT&T's geographically limited 3G network.
- Virgule, on 05/30/2008, -3/+3Giggity Giggity Giggity (I hope im funny)
- dysonlu, on 05/30/2008, -7/+1Apple fanboys aren't supposed to know what all these tech means. They just need to know it's cool and they must have it.
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -1/+0to the contrary, TRUE Apple Fan Boys actually know about the technology and champion it because of their knowledge in regards to the product. Fan Boys Basica (yes Basica) are the simple heathens that have propelled Apple to being one of the 'ballers' it is in the computer industry. Most people are pawns, Windows or Mac. Fan Boy Basica are simple and fit your description. It never sounds good to blow the horn when you don't know the notes, right? Well all the same, daddy's girls, daddy's boys, and people who have never used a mac might wave their same flag for windows without half understanding the concept of DOS, the basic structure of NT, or how to use run. In this case, you are right. It is about what is cool and running out to buy Vista when it actually suits you to be in XP or 2000 is the stupidity on the same level of those running out to buy an iPhone when you can't use your Nokia 1100. To Fan Boy Basica, we salute you for adopting early, driving down costs, and defining our markets.
- JKVM, on 05/30/2008, -0/+6True, Apple is "behind the times" with their technology, but the implementation is amazing. That's what people will pay for and that's why the iPhone is so popular, despite its tech deficiencies.
- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -3/+1***** off and learn to use google, idiot.
- madwh, on 05/29/2008, -15/+5Apple might just get it right this time.
- mjones77, on 05/29/2008, -6/+5Apple got it right with the first one. Only problem was its not finished.
- MrTito, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3You can't get something right if you leave it unfinished. If you could, then I'd gotten better grades in school.
- madwh, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1Yeah but high school doesn't prepare you for real life and real life is different then high school.
- MrTito, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1Maybe Apple is still in high school.
- MrTito, on 05/29/2008, -0/+3You can't get something right if you leave it unfinished. If you could, then I'd gotten better grades in school.
- mjones77, on 05/29/2008, -6/+5Apple got it right with the first one. Only problem was its not finished.
- over900000, on 05/29/2008, -22/+64Great, another circle jerk title and article.
- KMartSheriff, on 05/29/2008, -4/+6It's no different than any Ubuntu/Linux circle jerk and article.
- RobotBuddha, on 05/30/2008, -5/+4I don't know, the iphone ones seem particularly rabid in comparison to anything else. With linux, lots of people dual boot and have a foot in a lot of different products. With phones in general there's usually that cognitive dissonance which comes into play from people who have to believe at all costs that they didn't lock themselves into something substandard. When it's apple, there's that extra dose of crazy.
- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3YOU took the time to read it and comment on it - you ***** idiot.
- KMartSheriff, on 05/29/2008, -4/+6It's no different than any Ubuntu/Linux circle jerk and article.
- Dumbledorito, on 05/29/2008, -13/+4Did a search. Oddly enough, the words "scared *****" don't appear anywhere in the article. I think the headline is pushing the needle beyond "OMG internet" into "rabid fanboy" territory.
- cjmal, on 05/29/2008, -3/+16"I recently sat down with the president of a GPS navigation system manufacturer to ask him how he felt about the prospect of a GPS-enabled iPhone. "Scared [expletive]-less," he said."
Helps when you read the article.- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Maybe the president of a GPS navigation system manufacturer instead meant "scared banana-less?"
- mjones77, on 05/29/2008, -1/+4It is in the article, its written like this "Scared [expletive]-less,"
- theCreator79, on 05/29/2008, -1/+4The exact words are "Scared [expletive]-less,"... Same thing...
- sdub74, on 05/29/2008, -1/+6Read The [Expletive] Article
- cjmal, on 05/29/2008, -3/+16"I recently sat down with the president of a GPS navigation system manufacturer to ask him how he felt about the prospect of a GPS-enabled iPhone. "Scared [expletive]-less," he said."
- Wamzlee, on 05/29/2008, -7/+26If only I didn't have to use AT&T!
- norcalscan, on 05/30/2008, -6/+2If only I didn't have to use Verizon
Or sprint
Or just shutup and start your own cellphone network.- Sniper4790, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3unlock it man
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2...and use what? T-Mobile? o_O
- Sniper4790, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3unlock it man
- norcalscan, on 05/30/2008, -6/+2If only I didn't have to use Verizon
- perre, on 05/29/2008, -7/+23"a modest proposal" -- really? Will the iPhone eat the babies of WWDC keynote attendees?
- inspecality, on 05/29/2008, -0/+5What else is it going to eat? Potatoes?
- graemee, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1They make nice gloves with them too.
- Justice101, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1yes.
- Concotelli, on 05/29/2008, -12/+7-1 for incorrect use of the word "effect" in the article. It's "affect".
- MrTito, on 05/29/2008, -9/+3Whatever. The first iPhone sold well, and I'm sure this one will too. But "scared *****" is a little bit over the top. As long as there are multiple major carriers and the iPhone is tied to AT&T, then market domination will not happen.
- geogeer, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3Actually it was in reference to GPS navigation manufacturers.
- skidooer, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3In this country, the Blackberry is tied to a single carrier. It just so happens to be the same carrier that has announced that iPhones are coming soon. I know Digg is US centric, but RIM and Apple do business outside of the US as well.
- Julik, on 05/29/2008, -17/+10My phone has had 3G and GPS for the last year and a half...
They were stupid for not putting on the first generation phone.- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2My phone as 3G and GPS as well, and while I like the GPS well enough (but am not willing to shell out $10/month for constant service) I would KILL to turn off 3G on my phone, because it detonates my battery life even when the phone is not in use.
- abid8740, on 05/29/2008, -19/+8RIM is shaking? Please, i work at RIM and the next generation products going through internal testing will blow away the previous generation blackberries and the iPhone 2.0
- Ravatar, on 05/29/2008, -3/+5Let me know when I can buy a blackberry somewhere without the ***** $40-$50 data charge.
- CamperBob, on 05/29/2008, -1/+5Yeah, well, I work at Microsoft, and our next-generation Zune is going to be better than the Blackberry, the iPhone, and the Buick Park Avenue.
- skidooer, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3Wait... so you are telling us that you already know exactly what the iPhone "2.0" has in store? Why don't you share with us? Since you are not an Apple employee, you are presumably not bound by any agreements preventing you from doing so.
- gquaglia, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2If you worked for RIM you wouldn't be risking your job by talking about it.
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3I work for RIM.
So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.
Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.
But trust me.... You don't.
I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about.
This is how bad info gets passed around.
If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.
Cuz some Diggers believe anything they hear.
- duster805, on 05/29/2008, -13/+8I'm not sure about the 3G part, but big deal on the GPS. Google already offers a map feature that triangulates your location between cell towers and is accurate within a 100 yards or something like that. A client pulled out his phone and had google correctly pinpoint us on the highway in Costa Rica (ATT carrier).
- CamperBob, on 05/30/2008, -3/+4Not only that, but it works indoors. You can use it to find yourself in a shopping mall or airport terminal, which won't work with GPS. I hope they keep the cell/WiFi triangulation feature even if they do add a GPS radio, since it's still useful in some cases.
- fotbr, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7Who the hell gets lost inside a building?
- majglow, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3It's quicker than typing in the address of where you are when you want to find a near by business.
- gwolf, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4But you must admit, it's accuracy kinda sucks. It needs real GPS.
- RobotBuddha, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1Yep, I'm happy when it gets my location right but there's no way I'd ever count on it.
- fotbr, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7Who the hell gets lost inside a building?
- bitspace, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5The google maps triangulation feature is spotty at best. It's accurate in some locations while it doesn't work at all in others, and everything in between. It works to within 1/2 mile when I'm at home, not at all when I'm at work, and with varying degrees of accuracy in other places.
- mikey2dope, on 05/30/2008, -4/+4Yea, but will it follow you consistently, telling you where and when you should turn? No.
- johnnyfistfight, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7Google assumes you're smart enough to figure it out like people have been doing for 100,000 years. Yes?
- pyrates, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2So because Apple doesn't do it, it shouldn't matter then? The dash which is one of the newest gps devices doesn't matter it seems to you. A device that uses cell phone triangulation instead should only be available right? Turn by turn directions don't matter because Apple doesn't do it. But when apple does do this, you'll be cheering them on I bet. Apple fan boi's are such hypocrites.
- johnnyfistfight, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7Google assumes you're smart enough to figure it out like people have been doing for 100,000 years. Yes?
- CamperBob, on 05/30/2008, -3/+4Not only that, but it works indoors. You can use it to find yourself in a shopping mall or airport terminal, which won't work with GPS. I hope they keep the cell/WiFi triangulation feature even if they do add a GPS radio, since it's still useful in some cases.
- trixterIreland, on 05/29/2008, -14/+8http://www.sonyericsson.com/xperia/ cant be that scared, 800x480 lcd, real keyboard, etc. Yeah it doesnt have the UI but its not bad spec wise. And it has a built in gps and not a crippled bluetooth stack.
- judicar, on 05/30/2008, -5/+3Kinda like the EEE pc, cool specs but when the rubber meets the road it just doesn't get the job done for most people.
- mrthebunny, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2big ugly brick, with the same lousy software that all sony-ericsson phones...
- Hrag, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2I remember that time HTC made about 50 different versions of that thing.
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Unfortunately it seems rather like other phones, in that the top row of keys is too close to the screen, and will be completely annoying to press, as you'll have to wedge your thumb into the corner, and can't comfortably get at them.
Why does no one swing their screen a proper distance past the top row of keys?
- toxicityj, on 05/29/2008, -11/+4Why would you want GPS in your phone? You pay per bill to use it...You're better off buying a $99 unit off newegg with absolutely no usage payments. besides, a phone gps isn't much help when you're driving thanks to the screen.
- DarkCovers, on 05/29/2008, -3/+4I don't have to pay per bill to use the GPS on my phone.
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Let me guess... because you're paying for a Premium plan that includes all the nifty features, but runs $40/month more than a regular minute plan? (Well, only $30/month more for Sprint instead of Verizon.)
You pay per bill to use GPS on your phone, whether it's $10/month for the service alone, or $30-40/month to come bundled with everything else.- Ravatar, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1from below:
Phone that operate on VZ navigator or sprint navigation typically use the tower-based positioning vis aGPS and do not have on-board hardware GPS chips that communicate with NAVSTAR. You are paying for their infrastructure and software.
I'm talking about REAL GPS chips that communicate with NAVSTAR GPS satellites, which are found in GPS units by companies like delorme and garmin, and have been completely free for public use since 1983.
- Ravatar, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1from below:
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Let me guess... because you're paying for a Premium plan that includes all the nifty features, but runs $40/month more than a regular minute plan? (Well, only $30/month more for Sprint instead of Verizon.)
- Ravatar, on 05/29/2008, -1/+4Well lets see...
1) I recently moved to NYC. (Big city, lots to find)
2) I no longer own a car. (Carrying around a huge car GPS would be silly)
3) I don't know my way around town yet, so finding a friends house, or a new restaurant and getting turn by turn directions sounds pretty useful.
I'd say I'm pretty much exactly the target audience for a GPS phone.
Also:
- You don't pay any additional money for the GPS functionality.
- If they produce an iPhone windshield mount, the iPhone speaker can provide you turn by turn directions just like the car GPS units. You aren't even supposed to operate the GPS screen when driving.- toxicityj, on 05/30/2008, -2/+11) congrats on the move, but this doesn't make a phone more useful to you than a standalone
2) mine 3inch x 3inch. fits in my hand and isn't inconvenient to carry at all
3) same as 1, minus the congrats.
Fair enough. I can't speak for them all, but the ones I've seen charge a monthly fee for the service. And the ability to see your screen isn't so you can use while driving. it's extremely helpful to take a quick peek at a map of the immediate area to see where to turn. Because on my way to work, a lot of the roads you can turn on are very close to eachother and "turn left in 500 feet" isn't very helpful. Looking at the map real quick and seeing where the blue path is taking me is.- Ravatar, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2Well I could buy a phone, a portable GPS, and an mp3 and carry around all of them, or carry one slim phone that does all of the above. That makes the phone more useful to me than a standalone.
Plus good GPS software will announce the name of the street, not just the distance.
- Ravatar, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2Well I could buy a phone, a portable GPS, and an mp3 and carry around all of them, or carry one slim phone that does all of the above. That makes the phone more useful to me than a standalone.
- locojones, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3If you think AT&T isn't going to monetize the GPS function, if it even exists, then you're either naive, stupid, or both.
- Ravatar, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2You do realize that AT&T doesnt run the equipment that provides the GPS service, and the usage costs are built into the hardware, right?
Sprint, Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Alltell all have smartphones with hardware GPS capability. None charge a service fee for it. You might be thinking of the fake tower-based 'location' systems, not the actual hardware GPS chips.
Get a clue. - cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2@locojones
They might, but Apple's been able to slip other things under the wire, and since about half the iPhone owners have been new AT&T customers, that might allow them to slip other stuff in, since that alone is HIGHLY profitable for AT&T, and they'll want to take as much advantage of their timed exclusivity as they can.
@Ravatar
...then where is the $10/month charge for VZ Navigator or Sprint Navigation or AT&T Navigator coming from? Depending on the carrier they might be bundled with Premium data plans as well (Sprint seems to be most reasonable with that), but for the most part they're a $10 opt-in. - Ravatar, on 05/31/2008, -1/+1Read my reply:
"You might be thinking of the fake tower-based 'location' systems, not the actual hardware GPS chips." Phone that operate on VZ navigator or sprint navigation typically use the tower-based positioning vis aGPS and do not have on-board hardware GPS chips that communicate with NAVSTAR. You are paying for their infrastructure and software.
I'm talking about REAL GPS chips that communicate with NAVSTAR GPS satellites, which are found in GPS units by companies like delorme and garmin, and have been completely free for public use since 1983.
- Ravatar, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2You do realize that AT&T doesnt run the equipment that provides the GPS service, and the usage costs are built into the hardware, right?
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2"- You don't pay any additional money for the GPS functionality."
See above reply to DarkCovers.
- toxicityj, on 05/30/2008, -2/+11) congrats on the move, but this doesn't make a phone more useful to you than a standalone
- Darph.Bobo, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2You realize you're an idiot right? Explain the following;
1. "You pay per bill to use it.." GPS on the iPhone is a feature NOT an optional bill.
2. "You're better off buying a $99 unit off newegg with absolutely no usage payments." See item #1.
3. "besides, a phone gps isn't much help when you're driving thanks to the screen" You're obviously are too stupid to figure out how to use an iPhone with GPS.- toxicityj, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1Do you really need to call me an idiot to make your point? No. No you do not.
1. I'm speaking generally. notice how I didn't say "why would you want gps on an iphone". I said "why would you want gps on a phone". Note the lack of i. I'm speaking about the overall feature, not the phone.
2. see item #1
3. again, you have to call me names to make your point? Or are you just so unable to come up with a valid point that "oh you're stupid" is all you can come up with?
- toxicityj, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1Do you really need to call me an idiot to make your point? No. No you do not.
- skidooer, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2Last time I checked those $99 units don't have a developer friendly API allowing me to write my own software that is installable on the device. The iPhone may not be suitable for getting driving directions (debatable), but that represents just a tiny fraction of the uses one would use a GPS receiver for.
- EtherGnat, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2You're confusing the aGPS services offered by many cellular providers which typically has a monthly fee with true GPS. Mobile phones have been available for years that integrate a true GPS, which functions the same way any Garmin or TomTom does.
- DarkCovers, on 05/29/2008, -3/+4I don't have to pay per bill to use the GPS on my phone.
- charmaniac, on 05/29/2008, -5/+8I read an article in the NY times today which implied that consumers are not going to buy the new iphone because G3 is not something consumers demand. I know I am going to buy the new iphone as soon as it comes out. No other phones come close, from what I can tell in terms of internet use, at least in the United States.
- Billions, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3However, the same group of people who don't really care about the '3G' aspect might be include those who had been on the fence, using the old 'don't buy the first version' excuse to wait for this one. I think Apple will have a serious second-coming with this device, both with first-gen upgraders as well as first-timers deciding it's finally time. And with the AppStore, it's gonna be another big seller.
- rupaw, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5In Europe the iPhone wasn't a big success exactly because it didn't support 3G. Europe is a bigger cell-phone market than the US so I guess that 3G is primarily a nod to European and Asian consumers...
iPhone 2.0 could be big here. - acidandspatter, on 05/30/2008, -0/+43G is not something consumers demand?
What? All we've heard since it launched last year is that people are pissed because it didn't have 3G! - cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Why would a customer not by a phone with extra features, if it didn't impact either the price or anything else on the phone?
Now one thing that COULD be impacted is battery life, but chances are a year's improvement in both 3G chipsets and battery tech is evening that out... but most people don't realize it could have battery life implications anyway. (And it seems like Apple is also going to build in the ability to turn off certain chips yourself, which no other phone supports without hacking, which would mean there really IS no trade-off if you don't want it.)
It's not going to scare anyone away, it IS going to bring in a lot of people who've had reservations at the iPhone's lack of 3G/GPS/etc (provided it has all that), and for everyone else it will just be "the newest iPhone"--which is good enough to get a lot of people on board who have been waiting for it no matter what it turns out to be.
- amawg9, on 05/29/2008, -12/+81If TomTom has a milkshake, and Steve Jobs has a milkshake, and Steve Jobs has a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And Steve Job's straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink TomToms milkshake... I... drink... your... …Milkshake!
- Ryan2845, on 05/29/2008, -10/+3So you are drinking the milkshake for steve at the end? Hope you brought your own straw.
- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2you didn't see the film then?
- Ryan2845, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1I did. You didn't get what I said. I was being internet police because he said "I" drink the milkshake instead of "steve jobs drinks your milkshake"
- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -2/+2you didn't see the film then?
- mparker7410, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5... I DRINK IT UP!
- Fighter2a, on 05/30/2008, -3/+4Good reference to a good movie.
- mollerade, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2Its called drainage!
- Ryan2845, on 05/29/2008, -10/+3So you are drinking the milkshake for steve at the end? Hope you brought your own straw.
- tucsonwc, on 05/29/2008, -5/+5Where was the modest proposal in the article?
The article was pretty lame, it did not cover anything new.
As for GPS device companies, they are underwater already. Just look at Sirf's stock price.- Ryan2845, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1Sirf makes gps chips, not devices, so apple adding GPS chips would only help them. Assuming they buy from sirf.
- Senturion, on 05/29/2008, -12/+31I love how Diggers take something that is common for them and assume it applies to the other 99.9% of the population.
Most people DON'T have GPS and 3G in their phones, having both in the iPhone will be HUGE for non gadget freaks.- rpark, on 05/29/2008, -5/+12It will because, Apple is very good at bringing current technology to the masses. I will agree, that Apple doesn't invent a lot of the technology that makes them popular but they have an uncanny ability to bring hard to use technology to jane consumer. So, by making it easy to use and accessible, it will only increase their market share.
I for one plan on buying an iPhone and no other smartphone because of how easy it is to use. Whether you hate them or not, Apple dumbs down a lot of difficult to use tech.- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -2/+1Why bother putting 'I FOR ONE' in your post? It adds nothing more than just saying 'I' but it makes you sound like a tit.
- daborg, on 05/31/2008, -0/+1I for one think you sound like a tit.
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0Agreed, All iterations of the Superdrive (floppy drive and dvd-r) were highly successful in this. Too bad they did not follow their guns and keep it up with the BluRay -R (no im not starting another argument). But they were vested in HD through Final Cut and DVD Studio Pro as well, so who knows.
I think the thing they brought to the world that I appreciate the most is the laptop. APple Portable anyone? Mine is in the closet gathering dust and being volatile with that lead battery!
- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -2/+1Why bother putting 'I FOR ONE' in your post? It adds nothing more than just saying 'I' but it makes you sound like a tit.
- lolwutpear, on 05/30/2008, -5/+3if they're not gadget freaks, what business do they have buying an iphone in the first place?
- Pyehole, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3Are you really that dumb?
- dysonlu, on 05/30/2008, -2/+1They are trends, attention, show-off freaks?
- EtherGnat, on 05/30/2008, -3/+6"Most people DON'T have GPS and 3G in their phones"
Most people don't have an iPhone either. What's your point? Most people still don't give a damn about either of those features in a phone, and they sure don't want to pay $400+. - Jaymoon, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2"Non-gadget freaks" are still using their free RAZRs they got for signing up for service... They have no need for an iPhone.... With or without 3G and GPS.
- nephilimx, on 05/30/2008, -2/+1"Most people DON'T have GPS and 3G in their phones, having both in the iPhone will be HUGE for non gadget freaks."
Why would it be huge? already can get a Nokia Navigator with both for about 400 dollars- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3Nobody wants one of those pieces of *****
- ep53, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Thats not true, here in the UK we pay $50 a month and get the latest mobiles for free, Voice and Texting is basically unlimited and enough Mb download usage for most normal users. They have even started giving away free laptops, televisions, EXTRA mobile phones and iPods. 3G networking is a thing of the norm here, I went to New York last christmas and was shocked at how backwards networking is over there.
Sources:
http://www.dialaphone.co.uk/google3/?gclid=CJrqo9_ ...
- rpark, on 05/29/2008, -5/+12It will because, Apple is very good at bringing current technology to the masses. I will agree, that Apple doesn't invent a lot of the technology that makes them popular but they have an uncanny ability to bring hard to use technology to jane consumer. So, by making it easy to use and accessible, it will only increase their market share.
- Noodleson, on 05/29/2008, -17/+12who cares if it only has 3 hour battery life? GPS OMG!!11!!
- nycmac247, on 05/29/2008, -3/+18everything can be turned on and off - also, OS is good at regulating power usage.
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2Anything has a good battery life if you keep it turned off.
My laptop has been running for three years straight turned off. For that matter, my car has sat in the garage for eight months on a single tank of gas.
It's amazing the machinations fanboys will go through to justify that fluffy brick.- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Um... what? The point is, adding the chips WITH the ability to turn them off means there will be no battery impact (quite possibly a gain, as I assume power regulation has gotten better, and they'll be adding a better battery to it) unless you want there to be. I would KILL to turn off ***** 3G on my current phone, but I can't. No phone--to my knowledge--offers that ability.
It's not a "justification"... it just a "good thing." I would love it if EVERY phone allowed you to turn on and off each and every optional chip on board, to prevent them from possibly impacting things if you don't want them to. Right now, you seem to be able to only do it with Bluetooth. (And GPS probably doesn't do anything if you don't have your GPS app running.) 3G itself is by far the worst offender, as it can dramatically impact your battery life even while the phone is idle. - Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1Actually, the worst offender is Apple, who has a looong track record of having the most ridiculous stated-to-actual battery life times in the business. True for laptops, true for iPhones. I've heard loyal fanboys say that it borders on outright deception.
"It runs for two hours on a charge! Oh wait, you want the screen on that whole time? Let me see..."
So when they talk about power optimization they're already playing catch-up with other devices, and their credibility starts out the window and gets worse from there.
And if you want a phone that does all the things you're calling incredible, try the HTC 8900/AT&T Tilt. It actually has a keyboard, it has their Cube interface and, we all thought it was impossible: A) It actually has 3G and B) You can turn it off.
Maybe we can get a little Apple sticker to put on it so that Art Directors and trust fund kids will see it as the Second Coming.
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Um... what? The point is, adding the chips WITH the ability to turn them off means there will be no battery impact (quite possibly a gain, as I assume power regulation has gotten better, and they'll be adding a better battery to it) unless you want there to be. I would KILL to turn off ***** 3G on my current phone, but I can't. No phone--to my knowledge--offers that ability.
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2Anything has a good battery life if you keep it turned off.
- EtherGnat, on 05/30/2008, -3/+11Also GPS is primarily used in a vehicle, where recharging is easy.
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -3/+1Great, a cell phone where I have to bring a car with me.
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Dude. Seriously. The article was mentioning worries from a car-based GPS manufacturer's president. Because someone's phone could possibly do the exact same thing they do--and a ***** more--with a dashboard mount.
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -3/+1Great, a cell phone where I have to bring a car with me.
- WaterMedia, on 05/30/2008, -3/+1My battery life is about a week per charge. And I keep everything on.
- nycmac247, on 05/29/2008, -3/+18everything can be turned on and off - also, OS is good at regulating power usage.
- gincarnated, on 05/29/2008, -8/+2I don't see this being the case in Europe. I've seen a grand total of *one* iphone being used in public here in London since it's release. Obviously people don't walk around with there phones in their hands 24/7 but I see a LOT of Sony Ericsson's and Nokia's. Especially the N95.
I think apple screwed themselves releasing the iphone without 3g over here and i'd be interested to see how many people are actually going to take a 2nd look at it now.- danielsamuels, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1I think the other thing that caused it to fail here in the UK was the contract - people aren't used to buying the phone and then paying the contract on top of that.
Also I think that the contracts which were available weren't as well priced as others which people might have already been using.
- danielsamuels, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1I think the other thing that caused it to fail here in the UK was the contract - people aren't used to buying the phone and then paying the contract on top of that.
- skyshock1, on 05/29/2008, -6/+19Meh... BFD. The HTC Dream (Android) will give the 3G iPhone a solid bit of competition when it comes out. We're seeing a GREAT time in the development of the mobile market. The stagnation in the mobile market is starting to be wiped away.
- RobotBuddha, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3As much as I like the idea of android as a platform, I think most of it's going to come down to the user interface. What I've heard of the htc model does at least suggest that they're not only trying to move ahead of other phones, but actually do something innovative instead of just aping how the iphone operates. There's that risk of it turning out badly, but I think the flagship products with the android label are going to have to take that risk if they're going to get any respect at all from the general best buy shopper.
- aeoo, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3I watched a clip from HTC demo where they demoed the compass mode. I loved the reaction from the crowd: "ooowwwwwwaaaaaoooooo", like an orgasm. LOL. I think a few people in the audience shot a load right into their pants.
- philberttheduck, on 05/30/2008, -0/+4um, watch Apple keynotes much?
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PRfVKzuUJ4
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0Thanks, i have been in the library studying for the MCAT for two weeks, very behind
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0I agree that Android will be great. I will definitely have an Android handset in addition to my Apple and Symbian. Right now I just want to see Mosquito on android. that game is the bomb if you have not played it. So much better than any of the camera gams on console.
- theurge14, on 05/31/2008, -0/+0Yep, and we're also still waiting on OpenMoko to kill the iPhone as well. Keep us posted on how that goes.
- Owwmykneecap, on 05/29/2008, -13/+5Wow, i only had those features in a phone in 2005.
Either way 3G is *****.
The iphone is an overpriced fashion accessory, with a useless interface for texting.
My current phone is a cheap nokia that cost €30 has no bill and came with €150 credit and free texts. think i'll stick with it.- DaffyDuck, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
- skidooer, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2Your phone didn't run OS X in 2005. That's what makes the iPhone interesting, not the hardware.
- lolwutpear, on 05/30/2008, -2/+1the iPhone could run OS X in 2005? being able to run things before it existed, THAT'S what makes the iPhone interesting.
- skidooer, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3There's no reason why a phone couldn't have run OS X (or at least Darwin, if nothing else) in 2005. Nobody chose to go that route until Apple made the iPhone.
- smspence, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2The first desktop version of OS X (version 10.0) was released in 2001. I think you're thinking of Tiger (version 10.4), which was released in 2005. Or Leopard (version 10.5), which just came out last year?
- lolwutpear, on 05/30/2008, -2/+1the iPhone could run OS X in 2005? being able to run things before it existed, THAT'S what makes the iPhone interesting.
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2I don't have any QWERTY phone, and so far I've texted better right off the bat on an iPhone than I have my brother's Treo, my sister's Blackberry, or any other device I've been able to test. ("Right off the bat" means pretty much "on 3-4 separate occasions, writing a few sentences to a paragraph on each device specifically to test lengthy texting.)
Just what about it is a "useless interface?"
- airmann90, on 05/29/2008, -13/+8My blackberry has GPS.... already.
- judicar, on 05/29/2008, -3/+9... and men have nipples which are completely useless too.
- Pyehole, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2I don't know if they are completely useless. I like having mine played with; there's at least one use. Nipple chaffing was a good excuse to stop jogging, that makes 2 uses. I'm sure I could come up with more...
- idiggiphone, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3Ya ... and tons of teeny tiny little buttons so you can push email. Hip hip hooray!
- judicar, on 05/29/2008, -3/+9... and men have nipples which are completely useless too.
- judicar, on 05/29/2008, -7/+2The whole GPS thing on an iPhone is silly, it can already triangulate your position pretty accurately using cell towers and it's exposed to third party applications through Core Location. I doubt they would add GPS, that's another antenna and probably a huge drain on the battery when you consider the rumored addition of 3G.
- Pyehole, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1It's accuracy is pretty darn spotty, it is not a replacement for GPS.
- ironsam, on 05/30/2008, -13/+12The HTC Touch Diamond is well ahead of iPhone "2.0":
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx?id=46278- wesk702, on 05/30/2008, -7/+9So the diamond is well ahead of a phone that isn't even out yet? I don't believe we even know the full features of iphone 2.
You're an idiot - nicheplayer, on 05/30/2008, -7/+12Also, that thing has a Microsoft Windows logo on it? I think not.
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5Windows is just the OS, and it's dead stable. HTC has skinned it with their own interface, and it's great.
But I know that has no effect on fanboys.- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2From what I've heard of WM6, "dead stable" is not among those traits listed. Certainly not if you... you know... install stuff on it.
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0agree with cthellis. I have used windows mobile and it is also dead slow. I would go back to a proprietary bar phone over windows mobile. hopefully the proc in the diamond will increase it's speed and not allow it to slow down to ice freezing speeds in a year or two after the phone is well worn in.
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3I've installed a bunch of stuff on WM, on HTC hardware, and although in native usability it's terrible, that's what HTC fixed.
Not stable as a criticism for WM 5, 6, or 6.1? Not by anyone who knows what they're talking about. As with any OS you can install apps that crash, but the OS itself is fine.
And why is "installing stuff" even coming up in a discussion involving the iPHone, when Apple basically had to be extorted to even let people install outside software?
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5Windows is just the OS, and it's dead stable. HTC has skinned it with their own interface, and it's great.
- znicket, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3I have an iPhone and I admit that the HTC Touch Diamond looks quite nice. Only thing seems to be rather low disk space, only 4gb.
How much does it cost and where is it available? - Hrag, on 05/30/2008, -0/+4Only one problem... Windows mobile.
Must say, it's not too bad with a stylus though... - autoatsakiklis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5Yes, the biggest problem is that even main UI is designed to be used without stylus, many windows mobile apps are not :(
- Laminarcissus, on 05/31/2008, -0/+2That's why HTC skinned it with their Cube launcher. It's really great, and runs very smoothly, you'd never know WM was under there.
- wesk702, on 05/30/2008, -7/+9So the diamond is well ahead of a phone that isn't even out yet? I don't believe we even know the full features of iphone 2.
- Ryan2845, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5I don't think GPS companies need to worry THAT much. GPS has been available on cell phones for a while and consumers have shown a large preference for standalone units. Now, I do think the a GPS enabled iphone will present the best competition to the stand alone PND to date (what with the larger screen), but I don't think cell GPS will kill that market. I'm also curious to see how long long the iphone battery can last running GPS and talking on the phone at the same time.
- znicket, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2you might be right. I like having my GPS unit present in my car at all times - however, if I can just whip out my iPhone, hook it up to the outlet and suction it on the windscreen... I might consider getting rid of the extra device.
- UnseenLlama, on 05/30/2008, -0/+4GPS has been on cell phones for a while. The problem is that nobody wants to be nickle and dime'd to death by the carriers for actually using the service. You can bet that if the next generation iPhone has GPS available to it, the navigation part will be free.
- Ryan2845, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1What makes you think the navigation will be free just because its apple? The maps still cost money, unless apple is just going to take the hit on this one for their customers.
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1If Tom-Tom, Garmin and others aren't charging for the service or for updates, why would Apple or other 3rd parties need to? If providing such a service makes them more unit sales, THAT is where they make their money.
It's not "just because it is Apple," but "because to compete with devices like that, you can't charge when they don't," and "not charging when other cell phones hit you for $10/month for the service differentiates you from them, and makes you more compelling."
Simply put, it would be a bad business decision for them to do it, if they're making their own map service. (Or even building the software codebase around Google Maps.) - Ryan2845, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1@cthellis
Actually, Garmin and TomTom do charge for updates. The cost of the initial maps is built into the cost you pay for the unit. Yearly map upgrades cost you more money on top of that.
Look at the upcoming Garmin Nuvifone, rumored to be on AT&T with a monthly navigation fee
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1If Tom-Tom, Garmin and others aren't charging for the service or for updates, why would Apple or other 3rd parties need to? If providing such a service makes them more unit sales, THAT is where they make their money.
- Ryan2845, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1What makes you think the navigation will be free just because its apple? The maps still cost money, unless apple is just going to take the hit on this one for their customers.
- cthellis, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2The convenience of a dedicated device is nice, but if a product can deliver the same kind of GPS (meaning "large screen, good graphics, intelligent use, etc") without a service charge, could update wirelessly on the fly, and were just a simple matter of sticking it on a dashboard mount, it could cut in dramatically. Especially since people are getting into the habit of car-charging their cell phones and other media devices more and more.
While most phones are GPS-enabled right now, you're hit with at least $10/month extra to use them, the vast majority of screens are no easily visible while driving, etc. If the iPhone can bypass other shortcomings, it'll also function as a navigator that's always on your person, which the dedicated car modules are not. (At least not conveniently, because they're by and large bulky units for sticking in your pocket, and more of a PITA to mount/dismount.)
There are distinct possibilities, but it will all depend on the implementation. They're likely not there at launch, and they may not get there this entire "round." (Though "next round" could be very different, as 3rd parties could also step in with their own software, competing with each other for quality on the same device.)- Ryan2845, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2I agree completely, the success will hinge on cost and how good of a job apples does with the implementation.
- phrenzy, on 05/30/2008, -8/+13I wonder how pissed it must make the rabid apple-haters to know they have to chime in to claim every apple product will be a flop because of (insert angry nerd reasons here). All the while knowing in a few months they are going to see that same product everywhere.
- Philbert, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3I'm curious if they will finally allow tethering. It's sort of possible now, but requires a bit of hacking and may break your AT&T TOS.
- waluigi14, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3Tethering over EDGE also kind of sucks (I've tried it with my iPhone), unless all you want to do is use SSH or browse with pictures disabled. Full-size browsers aren't optimized to use such a slow connection.
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0It is better than when we were tethering with GPRS, god rest its soul. Sony Ericsson t68m and t68i, anyone else?
- waluigi14, on 05/30/2008, -1/+3Tethering over EDGE also kind of sucks (I've tried it with my iPhone), unless all you want to do is use SSH or browse with pictures disabled. Full-size browsers aren't optimized to use such a slow connection.
- zbeast, on 05/30/2008, -4/+3Adding a real gps to the Iphone is a killer feature..
Currently I look up the place that I want to go to with my iphone then I have to take
The address and manual add that address to my Garman car gps.
With the iphone and a real gps now all that power is in my hands.
An iphone with a gps you get for free..
Locations of any business, with a standalone your limited
to the small amount of listings store in there very small roms, with the iphone you get for free
current freeway speeds, with a standalone gps is a pay service.
The only way they could screw this up is if they don't give you voice navigation.
Say the turns say the name of the street, give distance to the turn.
Why 3G? It will make data tranfers to the phone much faster.
Currently iphones data rates are slow.
- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1Why did you write it out
like a poem?- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0because zbeast is above us all, an advanced and highly sophisticated poster. We should all start writing in sonnet, who's with me?
(I am dead serious, wouldn't that be fun?)
- jcolingham, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0because zbeast is above us all, an advanced and highly sophisticated poster. We should all start writing in sonnet, who's with me?
- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1Why did you write it out
- SatansSpatula, on 05/30/2008, -2/+11"Now there are plenty of theories about how AT&T's HSDPA network will effect the iPhone 2.0"
AFFECT not EFFECT. Not that Popular Mechanics is the finest publication ever, but I expect their copy editors to do a better job than some schmuck software engineer like me who's slacking off at work and reading Digg...- wellyuk, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2To be fair, I've been in publishing and occasionally words do slip through the net. If you've just found one wrong word out of tens of thousands, or more, words then they've not done too badly really. You can check any quality publication and they'll always have spelling and grammatical errors. It's the nature of the beast when you're working with a significant number of words.
However, tossers on digg who leave 50 word comments have no excuse. - Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2I see your pedancy sir, and I raise you a ridiculous yet still plausible scenario.
Maybe they meant:
"Now there are plenty of theories about how AT&T's HSDPA network will bring the launch of the iPhone 2.0 about."
As in, the state of the network enabled or put pressure on the construction of the new phone.
Ha! Didn't see that coming, did ya motherf*cker!!!
I rule.
- wellyuk, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2To be fair, I've been in publishing and occasionally words do slip through the net. If you've just found one wrong word out of tens of thousands, or more, words then they've not done too badly really. You can check any quality publication and they'll always have spelling and grammatical errors. It's the nature of the beast when you're working with a significant number of words.
- YodaJones, on 05/30/2008, -4/+12The iPhone is the mobile phone that sets the bar and by which all other mobile phones are measured. With GPS capability it may be the only device you need to carry.
- Laminarcissus, on 05/30/2008, -3/+3//puke//
- piratearggghhh, on 05/30/2008, -1/+8I have a feeling most people buying the next iphone are current gen iphone users. Not everyone needs a smartphone and I doubt most people will consider a $70+/month GPS unit over a Garmin so I wouldn't start claiming world domination ... just yet.
- UnseenLlama, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2So why is Garmin producing their own cell phone then?
- dagamer34, on 05/30/2008, -2/+6I think that if you are going to be adding GPS to the iPhone, then Google Maps needs s a SERIOUS update. Besides finding where you are, it's not all that useful. Stick in street view. Stick in the ability to view photos and Wikipedia links. Flex the 3D muscle of the iPhone by making it more like Google Earth. That'd be AWESOME!
- znicket, on 05/30/2008, -1/+6... and the whining begins. If the iPhone could turn water into wine there will always be diggers who complain that the resulting Cabernet is not Merlot.
- dariusperkins, on 06/01/2008, -0/+1Don't even start with the ***** Merlot, man!
- znicket, on 05/30/2008, -1/+6... and the whining begins. If the iPhone could turn water into wine there will always be diggers who complain that the resulting Cabernet is not Merlot.
- bottlesandcans, on 05/30/2008, -10/+3Wow.. look at me.. I can turn my phone sideways and crap. Who cares.
- Pyehole, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3You can also shove it up your ass.
- cgruber, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5and turn it sideways.
- mattsx, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3in the butt!!
- Pyehole, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2What, what?
- bottlesandcans, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0Iphones are for Germans or guidos
- cgruber, on 05/30/2008, -0/+5and turn it sideways.
- Pyehole, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3You can also shove it up your ass.
- johnnyfistfight, on 05/30/2008, -10/+4A slow growth economy, gas prices hitting record highs, food prices going through the roof , 70,000 dead in China and ya really think people are getting their panties wet over a ***** cell phone? Earth to Apple fan boys..most people don't ***** care about the iphone with Gps. I have a cell phone and if I get lost I'll ask for direction. There! I just saved 700 dollars plus I won't look like a nerd frantically fumbling with an iphone trying to impress other male nerds.
- Billions, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3"I won't look like a nerd...trying to impress other male nerds."
...But you sure tried hard just now! - WaterMedia, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3Example: "How can you guys celebrate blah, when blah, blah, and blah are happening! You people are blah!"
- The Logical fallacy of those without logic - dysonlu, on 05/30/2008, -1/+1Apple fanboys would even treat Steve Jobs' fart as heaven sent. It's just ridiculous and idiotic the amount of fanatism around anything and everything Apple.
- Billions, on 05/30/2008, -0/+3"I won't look like a nerd...trying to impress other male nerds."
- mrthebunny, on 05/30/2008, -0/+7GPS on the iPhone would be even better if it was possible to save maps locally, like Garmin GPS do.
That way it would be usable when travelling (without paying huge roaming fees) or in places where phone coverage is not available.- FUCKITDOITLIVE, on 05/30/2008, -0/+0how would it be better if it hasnt even come out yet, and what your talking about is a tiny feature
- pintomp3, on 05/30/2008, -2/+5couldn't you already do this on the htc tilt? works pretty nice with tomtom.
- Fighter2a, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2You can, the tilt is pretty bulky though and it runs windows mobile.
- ericdano, on 05/30/2008, -3/+4There will be two models. The existing one, with 8 gigs, for like $199, and a new one with all the bells and whistles (GPS) for $399. The older one will be able to do everything except GPS (unless you have a 3rd party attachment), and 3G networking....
- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -0/+1I really hate you.
- jerrycurley, on 05/30/2008, -5/+9What is it with the Apple fanbosys today? Two stories on the front page basicalyl expecting everyone to believe some ***** that they made up becuase they CLAIMit is true.
No one is scared of the iPhone. Except maybe Apple's stockholders last January.- Billions, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4Well, your opinion is weak but I do like that typo!
'Fanbosys!'
It's like a grouped, living organism, comprised of like-minded fanboys, forming a 'fanbosys.' - DesdinovaEL, on 05/30/2008, -2/+4Look at everyone's stock last january. At least apple's has recovered.
- zongamin, on 05/30/2008, -1/+2What is it with people who hate apple commenting on every apple story? ***** idiot.
- Billions, on 05/30/2008, -1/+4Well, your opinion is weak but I do like that typo!
- flinh, on 05/30/2008, -2/+7The iPhone is great for the North American market which I consider to be equivalent to a 3rd world nation - in mobile terms. Heck even a country like Cambodia or Vietnam has better cell coverage and services that actually make it easier on the consumer's pocket book. Simple question...how easy is it for the average American mobile user to roam with their phone internationally?
- dysonlu, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3So true. Even a simpler question: have Americans travelled internationally? It's just funny how they treat the iPhone as the best thing since sliced bread when in Europe and Asia, it's just another phone. How the iPhone is hyped in North America is just crazy.
- e2superman, on 05/30/2008, -0/+2I agree. Americans tend to be ethnocentric to the extreme.
- theurge14, on 05/31/2008, -0/+0Just another phone? Is that why it's being copied by every other manufacturer now?
- dysonlu, on 05/30/2008, -2/+3So true. Even a simpler question: have Americans travelled internationally? It's just funny how they treat the iPhone as the best thing since sliced bread when in Europe and Asia, it's just another phone. How the iPhone is hyped in North America is just crazy.
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