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- burke, on 10/12/2007, -29/+82For the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, it's screens, not screen's.
Aw, forget it, I'm going to go have a few cup's of coffee.
Sorry for freaking out, but it just really bug's me when people put apostrophe's where they're no't s'uppo'se'd t'o b'e.
You use apostrophes in two cases:
1) When you skip letters (In a contractions, such as don't or shouldn't)
2) When you're showing possession. If you were talking about a particular screen's burn-in, it would work... but you're not, you're apostrosizing (fake word) the plural. Don't.
I saw some dog's. == bad. plural. no '.
The dog's fur was black. == good. possesion. use a '.
Digg needs to let people mod stories down for grammar/spelling errors, I think ;) - theone3, on 10/12/2007, -2/+15Wouldn't i't be be'st to screensho't the burn't in imag'e, inver't the imag'e and' burn that in?
- nonokiaboy, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6all those thing's u see aren''t' apostrophie's. they r dea'd pixels.
pps. ' - burke, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"nobody cares"
Well, I would imagine there is a significant percentage of users that is slightly frustrated when the frontpage of their favourite website is flooded with grammatical errors.
I go to show someone this cool site, and then bang -- There it is -- 3 exclamation marks, or a loose apostrophe, or (shudder) they've used "they're" instead of "their". It just doesn't speak well for the community. - 5of0, on 10/10/2007, -0/+2I seriously hope you research before you type next time, because they do. Not even in severe cases - I left my Dell 1704FPTt on for two days, and it had what sure looked like burn-in, but may more properly be referred to as "image persistence". In any event, this fix worked like a charm.
- Darrelc, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2That is the best spelling I've ever seen of "Simulates"
Wow.
-Darrel. - tobtoh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I've got two Dell 20" widescreen LCDs (yeah I'm bragging) that suffer from screen burn-in. I was in disbelief when I first saw it happen - wtf?!? LCDs are supposed to have burn-in. Well I can assure you they do :(
http://www.dslwebserver.com/main/lcd-screen-burn.html This guy shares my disbelief and suggest pretty much the same solution as Apple. - pmhesse, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Well crap, forgot the whole automatic URL linkage of digg. Here now is Bob's Quick Guide to the Apostrophe, You Idiots
http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif - nonokiaboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1So much for fun.
- emo1313, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1tobtoh - I also have the 20"w Dell LCD's I have had them for only 3 months or so and they are suffering the same... Ill have to try this when I get home from work...
- Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1>> it should work for CRT as well, i cant see why not, I mean its worth a shot
No, it won't. You'll just end up with a severely washed out screen... which will still be burned :(
LCD effects are not permanent that I've seen, but they can persist for a long time even after the LCD has been powered down. This becomes quite a sticky point for OEMs using LCD displays in systems that operate 24/7 without any type of screen saver. - tobsterius, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1LCDs do suffer from burn in.
- NoozeHound, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Be thankful that they don't appear in txt spk yet!
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The effects on LCDs are not permanent. That's the difference. You can turn off an LCD and it will simply go away. Same dosent apply to other technologies, they have to be re-burned.
- 5of0, on 10/10/2007, -0/+1Hey, moron, you can take a screenshot of the image that caused the burn-in as long as you can reproduce it.
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1And because blogs+bash aren't exactly the most viable sources
http://www.dslwebserver.com/main/fr_index.html?/main/lcd-screen-burn.html - contains various quotes from user manuals. - bob12321, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2well i guess that works but i always have a screensave going after 2 minuites of non-motion of my mouse or somethign unless playing a movie, my dad made a screen saver it somehow simyoulates gravaty at http://www.kofc4385.org/chaos.htm pleas dont do any ddos atacks he hosts this server for a curch orgnasation ok well this got off sublict this screensaver dosent work on a mac
- etx313, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2"Any tips on removing dead pixels? I remember hearing somebody saying to "massage" the pixel, but it sounds like a load to me."
Be sure to use Apple massage oil, the Microsoft massage oil is good too but the Apple stuff is better cause it costs twice as much. - DisposableRob, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1"actually a few LCD monitors and TV's have a special BURN IN REMOVAL mode where they run a white image for a while "
Wouldn't this be as effective a turning the monitor off? White on an LCD just means that the pixel isn't being affected in any way, correct? - Avian00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1By the way, LCD screens have SIGNIFICANTLY LESS life than CRTs. Taking that into consideration, along with the high price of LCD screens, I ALWAYS turn mine off when not in use. Not only will this prevent burn-in, it will preserve the life of a rather expensive investment.
This is just common sense... - xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1@Inhumanity
love the name, hehe
btw, there's no way to "fix" a dead pixel. that's why people tend to try to exchange or return their gear that has dead pixels. it's why the PSP dead pixel problem was such a big deal and why manufacturer's have such a strict rule on returning/exchanging monitors/tvs with dead pixels. it's a fault with how lcds are manufactured currently. - SuperMunchkin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1
(Anal mode on)
This is not "burn in" people.
Burn in is what happens with CRT based things like TVs and regular computer monitors and those big-ass projectors with Red+Green+Blue "guns".
CRTs have a surface coated in phosphor which gets bombarded with electrons which results in light which is what you see on the screen. Over time, the coat of phosphor will become thinner and thinner with use.
The wear on the phosphor is uneven: Phosphor in the bright areas of an image will get "used up" faster than in dark areas. This difference is minuscule normally, and when watching regular TV or movies etc, all the phosphor will wear more or less evenly, making this mostly a non-issue.
But when you leave a static image on your screen for an extended period of time, the wear becomes uneven. This is what's called burn in, because you quite literally burn the phosphor. And there's nothing you can do short of re-coating the CRT with fresh phosphor.
A common remedy is to turn down the contrast to avoid bombarding your poor CRTs phosphor with more electrons than necessary (because high contrast = more intense white = more light = more electrons being smashed into the phosphor.) Most people "drive" their display way too hard by cranking the contrast up all the way. This will certainly shorten your CRTs life.
This stuff with the LCDs is not burn in. It is similar maybe, but it's not the same, and should certainly not be called burn in. It's not like you're burning up the crystals in the screen. - kms007, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1We had a few Apple Cinema Displays with images burned in (due to a screen saver script I added that didn't kick in at the login window). After I fixed the script, I set the screen saver to Computer Name for the affected displays. After a few days, I noticed that the monitors 'burn in' disappeared. Nice to know there is another method to remove burn-in.
- sleepyboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The title of this digg is very misleading. Apple's solution does not remove "burn-in" from LCD screens, it removes "persistence." There's a big difference. Burn-in is permanent, persistence is not. There is no way to fix a burned-in image on a CRT or plasma screen. Try reading this article for more information: http://compreviews.about.com/od/monitors/a/LCDBurnIn.htm
- Avian00, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good article, but I'm afraid I can't digg this because of the improper use of an apostrophe. I realize this is a blog, but if you want me to take you seriously, you have to use proper grammar.
- liquidice, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I was working on an English paper for about 17-18 straight and I had MS Word open the whole time, and when I finally finished, got some sleep, and turned on my computer the next day, there was a title and menu bar of word burned onto my 19'' LCD, but it went away after like 2 weeks. I was pissed when I first saw it, because I spent a ***** on my 19'' when I got it, but it eventually went away and I was happy again.
- dmoffitt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i've done the same w/ my plasma tv
- LiquidPenguin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I was thinking the same thing cwoolf. I worked at a Taco Bell where the monitors were never turned off for five years. When the place closed and they pulled everything down, you could clearly see the static text and borders on the monitor screens.
- plasticated, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I have slight burn in on my 23" Cinema displays. They offending shapes on the screen are the HD icon (which never moves) and a line which is part of my wallpaper. Its not a case of leaving my monitors on all the time, but working on them for at least 8 hours a day seem to have created slight screen burn. I hope I can fix it with this advice.
- drewjoh, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0For everyone who has a burn in image... why don't you set your monitor to turn off after like 30 minutes of inactivity?? (For those of you who use an LCD on your computer that is)
- neuros, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i needed this, actually. dugg'd!
- algorejr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0i'll test it's func'tion on my apple's screen's display's to see if it doesn't work.
- RadiatedAnt, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0tut your horn somewhere else
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0""Why not? If you've burned in your background image, just take a screenshot of it!"
Uh....that's not possible since the burn-in is on the screen itself = hardware-related."
Yeah. No ***** sherlock.
Think about it for a while, you'll get what I'm saying. If you inverse and burn in the inverse of the image that has been burnt into the screen, it will cancel itself out. - nobodyman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0... This is what's called burn in, because you quite literally burn the phosphor. And there's nothing you can do short of re-coating the CRT with fresh phosphor.
Well... that's mostly true, but there are (difficult, convoluted) ways to minimize the annoying ghost-image. The Apple LCD trick wont work for CRT (for the reasons you state you'll still have the ghost image *and* your screen will be dimmer) but you can do this for CRT:
-jack up the refresh rate as much as you can (set resolution to 640x480 if you must)
-display all-white image on screen
-buy/borrow a VERY GOOD digital camera (with manual controls and such)
-take a close-up snapshot of the screen using *long* exposure time (so you minimize flicker effect.)
-import image into photoshop, and turn it into a negative (reverse all the pixel values)
-make this image your new screensaver (or desktop image)
This should cause an uneven burn-in that minimizes the ghost over time (*alot* of time). Like I said it's convoluted (and probably not worth it). Or, you can just buy a new crt monitor. ;-) - xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0btw, i was only agreeing with the guy about taking a screenshot of a "burn-in" is impossible. you're talking about a fix using a screenshot.
- zorbo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0@nhumanity :
On my laptop LCD, i have two stuck pixels sometimes ( they stay red). Well i found out that "massaging" them gently will make the problem go away. I just press the screen a little with my finger at the point where the pixels are and they're not stuck anymore. Happened two or three times.
Maybe there is a very slight possibility that it would also work with dead pixels, i mean i have really no idea how an LCD screen work but i suppose the pixels are connected by something to get an electrical signal and that massaging could repair a somewhat "loose" connection ?? (really taking out of my ass here but pressing your dead pixels a bit with your fingers won't hurt anyway...) - BinaryJay, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0My pair of Dell 20.1" widescreen LCDs suffer from persistence of the top line of my taskbar across both screens. I was a bit dismayed to see this at first, though obviously very few cases will actually show it - notably, a blank solid blue screen. I'll try this trick when I get home from the office tonight, dugg!
- theone3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Hey, morons, you can't take a screen shot of a burned in image."
Why not? If you've burned in your background image, just take a screenshot of it! - bebeto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0need help, well my hitachi ultravision hdtv tv screen has this kind of round burnt mark in the middle of the tv screen and not sure if it can be fixed with out sending it to a repair store...theres a screen wipe mode that turns all white when i select it but not sure if thats just a screen saver or something else. This burn-in is not an image of any sort, its just a kind of redish burnt like circle and at the side of the tv its normal black, is this permanent or can i fix it without sending it to a store to fix it?
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This didn't work on my crt. I had to go buy a new one.
- xLiKx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"Why not? If you've burned in your background image, just take a screenshot of it!"
Uh....that's not possible since the burn-in is on the screen itself = hardware-related. - cwoolf34, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Reminds me of when I worked at Burger King and the horrible burn ins on the ordering monitors in the back. Every time we turned it off, you could clearly see the outlines of the static text and borders. But the grease burns were far worse, but thats a whole other story!
- mjg7, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Using a plain white image does help reduce the effects of burn-in but, in my experience, this is not the best technique. As many people have observed, an untuned analog channel is very effective and will not result in a loss of contrast or "graying" the screen.
I've written a Java Applet that rapidly turns on and off each coloured segment on a screen and have had very good results. The technique can even fix stuck pixels on LCD screens.
More information here:
http://screenfix.hostyourself.net - CamoChris, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0"60% of the time, it works EVERY time."
I like those odds! - ericpp, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Actually the Apple way to remove burn-in from a screen is to throw the screen away and buy a new one.
- thehawkowc, on 01/30/2009, -0/+0Shouldn't you have only used one equals to sign in your pedantic example?
The guy gave some good advice that has helped me irregardless (sorry regardless) of his grammar. - Chtiwi, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0FED & SED Monitors; New technology 2009 : http://www.xcess.info/fed_sed_monitors_new_technology_2009_aen.aspx
- aiecon, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I just wanted to add that I have 2 19" Benq FP91G+ monitors. I was a little shocked to find out one day that one of them had an unsightly burn in on the screen. I tried this method, using windows xp, by putting on the marquee screen saver to a white background, no text, and putting the backlight on to low. I would leave the monitor on while I was sleeping. It's been two days now, and I'm happy to say it's working great. The burn in is not noticeable like it was before... this method works, at least on my monitors, I assume that it can also work for TVs too.
- osbjmg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0decent :)
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