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- dav33d, on 10/12/2007, -0/+19Actually OS X has a Built-in VNCServer.
SysPrefs > Sharing > Apple Remote Desktop > Access Pr. > VNC viewers ...
So u don't need a 3rd party vnc server. - bmelnick, on 10/12/2007, -0/+17So what's with the extra step? You don't need the VNC server as ARD (based on the same open standards that VNC uses) sharing is built into osx ... isn't the mac experience about making things easier? Lets not load applications or services that we don't need to :)
Step 1: Open System Prefs
Step 2: Click On Sharing
Step 3: Highlight Apple Remote Desktop
Step 4: Click Start
Step 5: (Very Important) Check "VNC viewers may control screen with password:" and enter password.
Step 6: Click OK and enter your Admin password.
Step 7: Go to router settings and forward ports.
Download chicken of the VNC or another VNC client, and your done. - digduggler, on 10/12/2007, -2/+16Only Pro can host RDC (of the XP flavors).
- brainScan, on 10/12/2007, -1/+11Yeah, but if you don't, VNC is awesome. It's changed how I use my computers, and I can't imagine living without it!!!
- deepcore, on 10/12/2007, -4/+14You cant compare Apple Remote Desktop to the basic Microsoft remote desktop. Apple Remote Desktop has many features like reporting, pushing packages etc that you must buy the much more expensive Microsoft SMS package to get.
- Nougat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+15In XP, remote desktop connection is available in Home and Pro, though since it only supports one session at a time, it locks out the console session when you are connected remotely. VNC allows the user at the console to watch what's going on and interact as well. XP's Remote Assistance is used for desktop sharing and file transfer in more of a tech support fashion.
In case you were wondering. - hodo1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8Since when is using VNC to connect to a remote computer news? VNC has been around since at least 1998.
- bcorder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10Just turn on Apple Remote Desktop and then connect to it w/ any VNC viewer. Works fine, built in, no worries.
- krellor, on 10/12/2007, -6/+13Yeah, but in XP (home and pro) you can send a remote assistance request which does the same thing. Someone can remotely connect to your machine without locking out the other user, and they can see what is happening on the screen.
Also, doesn't it seem a little much for Apple to charge $300 for their solution? (It says $300 in the article). - gerkin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Wow there is a LOT of misinformation in these comments. The article itself is mostly useless honestly, but all the shooting down of Apple charging $300 for ARD is pretty ridiculous. You can't get anything close to this power and usability for $300 on ANY other platform.
Apple has it the right way charging for the management app and not the client. Every other solution (besides simple free vnc which doesn't give you 1/10th of the power of ARD) they charge you per client as well as the management apps and still don't give you the kind of control and functionality that ARD does. Apple only charges for the management application ... a 10 client version and an unlimited client version and the client is "free" (comes with OS).
Also, for the naysayers ... ARD _does_ use ssh tunneling by default when you use their solution so you're data is not just being broadcast clear text. - karamba_kid, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6OpenSSH included by default, even if we (Apple) don't donate nearly enough to the project.
- Scorp888, on 10/12/2007, -2/+7People should already know that VNC is INSECURE....clear text passwords people.
Firstly there are a 101 sites showing how to tunnel VNC over ssh for linux mac and hell even windows.
VNC != Apple RDP. Trying deploying a software package using vnc, or remotely locking someones desktop, or remotely auditing software and hardware. - ThreeDee912, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Why is everyone digging down ARD? It is definitely expensive, but for people managing servers and large networks, you can remotely install software to hundreds of computer at once with just a few clicks!
ARD isn't meant for basic desktop sharing, although it does support it. - peloria, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Been using Chicken of the VNC for quite a while. Works great!
- adinb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Why wouldn't you just use the VNC server built into the (free) Apple Remote Desktop Server? Just select "VNC viewers my control screen with password" option and add password. No need for 3rd party apps.
And you can still use CoTVNC as your client (on OSX). (I'd still recommend using the SSH tunneling to make the connection more secure) No need for ARD if you're not wanting the advanced ARD features like app distribution.
Only feature that I see missing in this setup is screen scaling on the client. (And that the current CoTVNC has a bug that switches the middle and right mouse buttons) - th3wiz4rd, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've tried VNC for mac, it's pretty darn slow (even over a lan). It may work fine for you if you've only got a few macs, but for what I use it for (try having 50 macs login at once with a UNIX script or installing a package on 50 macs at once with VNC...) it's worth the $300. I doubt apple had the everyday consumer in mind when it priced ARD at $300.
- Maarek, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8But of course VNC with the same features is offered for Windows platforms for free as well. Also Remote Desktop is vastly more responsive than most VNC clients I have used. So basically Windows XP has a built in remote desktop and has free VNC clients/servers available while Apple only has a 3rd party VNC. Yeah still seems like this is a case where Apple is behind the curve. Perhaps they will incorporate it in their next $150 service pack.
I kid I kid...... - seaellem, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3this is why twitchy from pauldotcom.com security weekly was a bit harsh about mac users and the dangers of a mac. if you don't secure this type of connection (via ssh or ipsec) on an internet connection, it will make macs as secure as most of those xp users out there. not that it is entirely vulnerable, but when you open a server to the internet without knowledge, you have taken steps to making your machine much more vulnerable.
please use some sense and encrypt this stuff if you're going to do it. i mean, ssh is built into mac, do that first THEN this. please? - T-Bird, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Agreed, VNC across any network by itself == dumb. Now VNC and Hamachi (www.hamachi.cc for those of you who don't know) combined...perfecto! I know I use it for a multitude of servers and clients computers. Simple and lightweight...it all works perfectly together.
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Shame that development seems to have halted on it at a beta stage. Its a nice client still, but it lacks a couple of options I would dearly love, i.e. the ability to scale the screen image down so you can fit a larger desktop on a smaller screen, and the ability to use jpeg compression, which looks poorer quality but doesn't half give a speed increase over a low bandwidth line.
- dubiousmike, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5VNC is a reasonable substitute for Apple Remote Desktop if you can't get your hands on the real deal, but Apple Remote Desktop (client, which you have to pay for) provides a functionality that VNC can't touch. If you need to get into more than a couple Macs, you will see the return on investment that ARD provides...
- gerkin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Agreed. Remote desktop control is a very small piece of the full ARD pie so to speak. You can do a LOT of useful stuff with ARD. If you're running a large mac network it's a godsend for management and reporting. You can even broadcast your screen to other computers, which is very very handy for training purposes. I use ARD daily and I firmly believe that Apple got it right charging for the management app and not for each client.
- vertinox, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4Yeah, but what most people know is that you can use VNC to have multiple sessions or multiple people use a single mac all at the same time with VNC
http://macosx.com/forums/howto-faqs/52547-howto-simultaneous-user-environments-via-vnc.html
Pretty much all you have to do is turn on fast user switching and then each profile has a start up of VNC server on a different port. - FelixdaaHack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2For anyone interested, here are a couple of tools that decrypt VNC passwords:
http://www.cqure.net/wp/?page_id=7
http://www.phenoelit.de/fr/tools.html
http://www.thc.org/thc-hydra/
...happy hunting on 5900 ;) - PeakAction, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Chicken of the VNC: Best app icon ever.
- leprix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Step 8: Profit!
- stalefries, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4If it's not worthy of a digg, what do you think is the logical thing to do? Perhaps you could not digg it?
- .mark, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2ARD > VNC, and that counts for pretty much EVERY VNC tool I've ever used on any platform.
- drlha, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4As someone who uses VNC on the Mac every day, the free Vine Server (nee OSXvnc) is simply better than the built in VNC server for the Mac.
- EvilGnomeAndy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1NX is great -- and you can even get audio through the session with esd.
- SVPirate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I switched it off an used VineServer (formally OSXvnc) instead, OS X won't allow 8-bit connections so it's pretty much useless over sub-4meg DSL.
Also I wouldn't say VNC is 'awesome'. It's OK, and I use it becuase it works cross-platform, but it's a real bandwidth whore if you have a decent size screen, even at 8-bit. - meowcow, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2welcome to years ago.
- ProxyContin, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Yet another example of how great the internets are for spreading information. Because the article says it costs $300 many people will take that as gospel.
On the other hand, supporting a handful of Mac servers, I will say the built in VNC server is quite flaky. Connections refused and/or dropped. Maybe the $300 solution works better. I generally don't have to do much work on them so it's not too much of a pain to walk into the server room and login. - adinb, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3As long as it's not in hibernation, yes.
- xixor, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I used to use VNC to connect to Linux machines, but now I only use NX (www.nomachine.com) or a free implementation FreeNX (http://freenx.berlios.de/). It compresses the session and is way faster than VNC, and can be tunneled through SSH. I am not sure if it will work for Macs, but may be worth checking out.
- klawz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1anyone know of a vnc-fork or vnc-like app (besides apple remote desktop) that forwards the sound to the remote console like RDP does?
- kaod, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1apple has vnc support if you go download a later version of apple remote desktop.
microsoft also has an rdc client for mac. (i made a small army of ibook g4's training machines at work)
this whole article is pretty unnecessary - JeffH, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2So, say you have a Mac laptop at home, and it "goes to sleep" and you try to access it remotely, will it wake up?
- tyrione, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2If you're asking about NXHost via Display Postscript that was removed when Display PDF and Quartz were completely rewritten. Apple Remote Desktop was born and thus turned into a full-fledged remote administration system for enterprise wide deployments.
nextstep 178/udp and 178/tcp are still listed in services but the Window Server has been changed to no longer offer a VPN out-of-the-box.
The NSHost API that is present, today, doesn't offer such hooks. You needed a Postscript binary stream on both systems for NXHost to work and since Display Postscript has been removed that's not going to happen from Apple.
OS X Server has a robust VPN built-in and coupled with Apple Remote Desktop you get that nice GUI for OS X to deploy system wide.
It's no longer a solution for OS X Desktop systems without OS X Server installed. - dubiousmike, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I wish Windows had something that ARD provides. If you have to deal with more than just a one to one relationship, ARD REALLY shines...
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2YEAH for sure if they don't they need start learning about computers!
- drunkenirish, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I put up a guide on my blog just the other day about this, with the dyndns.com setup and everything.
http://www.fractalice.com/wordpress/?p=30 - jeblis, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Has VNC gotten any faster over the last couple of years? It used to be dreadfully slow.
- gerkin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1MS didn't make that protocol at all ... they bought/licensed it from Citrix. The MS version is actually very crippled compared to the full on stuff from Citrix.
- ThatsUnpossible, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is likely because Apple Remote Desktop uses VNC for the desktop control features, which is why you can use Apple Remote Desktop to control any PC that uses VNC, not just Macs.
- jsbillings, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1While it is possible to turn on VNC sharing in the Sharing control panel, don't expect to use a realvnc vncviewer (or other open source VNC clients) to attach to it. The built-in VNC server reports a non-existent RFB protocol version of 3.889, and your client will just exit with errors. Chicken of the VNC works with it because it ignores the protocol version.
- omega1045, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2What I found disappointing was how well Chicken of the VNC worked as a client to my VNC Server on Windows. For XP you can use the Windows Remote Desktop for Mac (RDC), but for Win2K machines VNC is only free choice I have found. I was amazed at how much better my VNC connection worked from my Windows laptop using Real VNC than from my Macbook using Chicken. However, I have very good performance from my Mac to my XP machine at work with RDC.
- dawhitfield, on 04/21/2008, -0/+1so, how exactly are we supposed to get to our Mac machines from Linux if the protocol versions are effed?
- daller, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1This is old. i would recommend using ARD as its much more powerful than VNC. i can see loads of crap comments on remote desktop in windows. MS actually made that protocol grate you can almost control a win client on a modem i don't know how they do it but the compression is really good to get the same on the mac you have to remove all color's and that crap. ARD is grate for schools to be able to see what students are doing but the app pushing should be run by a Directory.
- FelixdaaHack, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1their is no Go to my PC for the Mac (not yet at least...in development)
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