digg

Join DiggAbout

Introducing Digg Dialogg!
Check out the first Digg Dialogg with Nancy Pelosi. More guests to be announced soon!

RIAA Says Ripping CDs to Your iPod is NOT Fair Use

eff.org — The RIAA argues in a DMCA rule-making filing that copying for personal use (to an iPod) is not fair-use.

Bury
show profanity settings
expand all
  • yalskey, on 10/12/2007, -4/+16F the RIAA...

    We should not be afraid of governments / big corporations...

    They should be afraid of us!

    I paid for it, and I'll do what I want with it! Eat a D!
  • Goracle, on 10/12/2007, -0/+29Good luck with that RIAA. I buy my music legally, and if I purchase a CD, you can expect it on the good ole iPod. The RIAA needs to learn that they aren't a group of music dictators. If I purchase a CD, I should have the legal rights to listen to it how I want.
    • Burmask, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5Your words do not hurt them and buying CDs helps them. Make your words loud and clear. Do not buy CDs and show them a real lesson.
  • l0ne, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2First they try to strangle online music distribution. Then they use sleazy tactics to milk all the money they can from the surviving online music distribution services.
  • thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5Who listens to them anyway?

    Not I.
  • senfo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+14Have copyright laws changed? I'm kind of ignorant on this subject, but I know for the longest time, it was totally legal to make a copy for backup purposes. Is this not legal anymore?

    And if you copy the CD, write it to your iPod, then put the CD back in its case and stick it on the shelf, what's the big deal? If you're not listening to both of them at the same time, they should just keep their mouths shut.

    It's this kind of idiotic bureaucracy that makes me want to support illegal use of P2P even more so than I would had they just kept their greedy mouths shut, in the first place.
  • Giddygoon, on 10/12/2007, -1/+24RIAA pretty much says listening to music on the CD is not fair use...

    CDs are for our profit. Just buy them and imagine what the music sounds that (for now)
  • nullvector, on 10/12/2007, -6/+26Who cares...

    People who are sick of the RIAA dont even buy theyre crap anyway. The sheep that go along with them and listen to their fad-pop will never stop buying no matter what the rules are. They'll gladly pay for each device they want it on, and gladly pay $50 to listen to one song on 3 devices.

    Its been predicted that in coming years you'll have to pay for every instance or "listen" to a song. You'll tune in to a radio station and have to micropay electronically just for the right to listen to a certain "top" song.

    Its no secret that the RIAA is trying to convert their tactics from object-based (CD's, Tapes, etc) to License/Instance based (DRM, buy copy for each device, etc). They want your money *each* time you listen, not just for each CD. It appears that they can't innovate their way into this market, so they might as well sue, harass, and have congress write laws to help them out (while stuffing money in congress' pockets).

    In the end, you either love the RIAA or hate it. Either you'll obey them like sheep, or ignore them and their music, for the better.
    • alok0, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Soon they will try and charge royalties...
      force Apple to make iPods log music played and report it back. So every time you listen to the music you get charged.
  • joel2600, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4when pay per download music services came out, i was ready and willing to adopt them even though I still feel they are 'overpriced' the prices still were comparable to what CDs still cost.

    With all of this though I've made the decision to going back to pirating music because getting it legally is just not worth the hassle. I still love to buy full CDs of music that I enjoy for artists that I love to support, but I believe the RIAA is putting me in a position to screw everyone else because I don't like the way they're trying to screw me.
  • fordistumley, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Does anyone really take these guys seriously in the first place?
  • dongiaconia, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7So is it just me or are they saying: Stop buying CD's. We don't want you as customers, we want you as legal canon fodder for lawsuits.
  • joel2600, on 10/12/2007, -3/+14it's kind of like terrorism, there is no way around this

    walking down the street = "Terrorism!!"

    eating too much ice cream = "Terrorism!!"

    Listening to the CD you buy with your own money "Terrorism!!... I mean Illegal!!"

    A passenger in your car listening to a CD you bought = "Illegal"

    It doesn't matter what you try and do, they are just going to attempt to control you.

  • stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3If they're so paranoid about anyone misusing their product they need to just stop selling it in the first place. That'll show them there pirates!
  • ziffel, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6Once again, off to good ol' usenet ... in RIAA's honor.
  • 16x9, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10> TheNativeRaver asked: "Who listens to them anyway?"

    Way too damned many lawmakers listen to them AND their money. And this is why we MUST vote out of office ANY and ALL politicians who support the RIAA, the MPAA and the DMCA!

    The RIAA and the MPAA are evil, anti-consumer organizations and the DMCA is an evil anti-consumer package of laws.
  • herrin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Stories like this are the reason people turn to cannibalism.
  • thenativeraver, on 10/12/2007, -5/+0@16x9

    http://digg.com/links/What_to_do_when_running_from_the_police

    ;-D
  • SmeRndmGy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7The RIAA is getting more and more irrelevant and ridiculous every single day. The end for them is near.
  • mancat, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Would somebody bomb their headquarters already?
  • macross9321, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5Thank you RIAA for making me feel warm and fuzzy inside for not buying a music CD in the last 7 yrs
  • DrWho, on 10/12/2007, -4/+3allofmp3.com

    there, it's been said again
  • YoDiggity, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2I second the call to bomb their headquarters.
  • Sirocco, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Well of course they're going to make that argument. The more they can control where the music goes, the more control they have over how much it will cost to get to your ears.

    As usual, ***** the RIAA: rip webcast streams, buy from Singapore/Malaysia, or buy direct from the artists you (still) love.
  • gnsmitha, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Hmmmm...i think they might actually just want us to listen to nothing and give the artists money.
    • NeoPlatonist, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1They don't want us to give the artists money. They want you to give THEM money. Cut out those looser musicians.
  • dongiaconia, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1@mancat: I think you need to post that on a page external to the usa. Like Al-Digg-Zera or something.
  • thewebguy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+0the eff is lame.
  • neurokaotix, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8I hear a lot of people saying things like "listening to the RIAA." Last time I checked it's a group of record companies, not a government entity. You don't have to listen to them; they're a bunch of CEOs circle-jerking each other in a cloud 9 dream of ignorance and intolerance. I will pirate music until the day I die, just to spite them.
  • test5477, on 10/12/2007, -0/+8I think this time they may be picking a fight with too many consumers. The amount of people who used their mp3 devices with ripped music is a huge number and its been perfectly legal, your going to piss off alot of very good people if they push this.

    RIAA should go away but at the very least they should learn to pick the battles that won't make them look like idiots...
  • hammydude, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0
    dude i hate the riaa...
    Its like they WANT us to not pay for music anymore...
  • stealthboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"Hmmmm...i think they might actually just want us to listen to nothing and give the artists money."

    You mean give them (RIAA) money. They really don't care about the artists.
  • Vektuz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2STOP BUYING CDS
    stop feeding these dinosaurs your money!
    Whys that so hard for people to understrand???
  • Quactaur, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Let them say that; it goes onto their record of stupid doings / opinions / motions and makes people less likely to listen to them at all.
  • LittleOni, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1"the eff is lame."-thewebguy

    Why? Because they actually try to protect consumer rights? Yeah. I guess that is pretty lame. Go back under your bridge, troll.
  • dongiaconia, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9@hammydude: They *don't* want us to pay for it anymore, they *want us* to steal it so they can sue us for $10k a shot. First off they get all your money at one time, instead of over a lifetime of purchases, and second it's free money for them becuase then they don't have to have any production costs to make the CDs. This is their solution to the digital revolution.
  • CaughtThinking, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Stuff like this just keeps people from buying CDs.
    What's the point? Anything you do with them is now illegal, so might as well get them illegally.

    One day the RIAA will wake up and realize artists have stopped going to them to get signed, and started selling directly to the consumer.

    What exactly do they do again? Last time I checked the artists ISN'T COMPENSATED FOR *****.
  • Dgen_X, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9"And if you copy the CD, write it to your iPod, then put the CD back in its case and stick it on the shelf, what's the big deal?"

    the big deal is...you're not carrying the CD around with you...using it...scratching it...and buying another copy
  • kolop1, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3 So I should repurchase all the music I all ready own on CD through Itunes? I think the RIAA needs to just stop.
  • 5blocksfree, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7I fully support the RIAA's right to protect what is righfully theirs...even if it is the crap they call music these days. I do not believe, however, that their assertion with respect to fair use is even anywhere NEAR accurate. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever that someone should be charged for the SAME music (aka crap), simply because the format has been altered so that it can be used on a different device. This shows nothing but contempt for the people that, for whatever reason, continue to shovel pocket-loads of money into the RIAA's war chest.

    As I've said before - the easiest and surest way to end this garbage is to let them have their music. Let them keep it. It's worthless if nobody is interested in buying (or copying) it. The company execs can listen to it on their iPods while standing in line to collect their unemployment checks.
  • detrate, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0This is completely asinine.
  • MrTea, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0roflmao!!!! Funniest thing I've read all day. It's like saying "It's cool, but don't do it. It's.....it's......baaaad!"
  • SlashNot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I would love to raid the houses of every member or any person involved in the RIAA, and see how many of them have music players or anything that they call illegal or non fair use. They are pissing me off so much.
  • rewritable, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1What's a cd? is that like one of those old black discs that play in those giant boxes? Every song I have has been downloaded and the only dime i've paid is my dsl bill. like the other dude said earlier, this make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
  • Pureeviljester, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0Those power hungry fiends!
    Lol, asinine.
  • Moocat, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Fire the RIAA, they lose at the smart pants game.
  • dombi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+0What is wrong with the RIAA? IS it run by a bunch of 80-90 year olds, that have never heard of computers before???
  • hax0r, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1They can go to hell.
  • dmsteg, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Seriously... sounds like the RIAA is trying to turn the entertainment industry into some sort of dictatorship... one mind you that could give Iraq's old regime a run for it's money. The only difference is they don't bust into your home and drag you and your family out to be executed. Their lawyers do that for them.
  • Hooba, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1allofmp3.com ROCKS! We should all be using them!
  • cbmeeks, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1RIAA, how is this for fair use. How about we all ban together and NEVER buy another ***** thing you control again? That's fair right?

    RIAA would piss their pants if we could somehow do that. Same for the gas companies.

    http://cbmeeks.blogspot.com
  • NinjaNoodles, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2I think if everybody just gives them the cold shoulder and ignores them, they'll stop feeding off all the attention and controversy they purposely create with this sorta thing. Everyone lets just treat them for what they are. They have no bearing on our decisions and actions whatsoever, it's simple, we as consumers buy something, whatever it may be, it is ours, no matter what any organization or corporate entity tries to force on us. F em in the A with a 24" police nightstick.
  • curtissthompson, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1the problem with the fair use doctrine is that you must judge a case based on four very subjective criteria! And with the lawyers the RIAA/MPAA/IFPA will throw at your, you won't stand a chance against them. no one has been able to win a case against the riaa that has strictly used fair use in the way mentioned in this article, only in cases for special use such as educational purposes for example! hopefully it will be ruled as fair us, as it fits the four criteria fairly strong!
  • Fetching more discussions...
    Show 51 - 100 of 363 discussions
  •  

    Login or register to add a comment

    Create a new account or login to join in the conversation on Digg. You'll also be able to Digg stories to help promote things you like.


© Digg Inc. 2008 — Content posted by Digg users is dedicated to the public domain.
DIGG, DIGG IT, DUGG, DIGG THIS, Digg graphics, logos, designs, page headers, button icons, scripts, and other service names are the trademarks of Digg Inc.