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- Scott802, on 10/12/2007, -2/+34Pretty much anyone on broadband. Many people have already been doing this for years, albeit illegally.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -1/+29[size=freakin' huge]Awesome![/size]
- afruff23, on 10/12/2007, -1/+15LOL, high def picture. That's pretty much any picture from the last 8 years.
- adam84a, on 10/12/2007, -2/+13I guess you're not familiar with the XBOX 360 marketplace.
- thedpshow, on 10/12/2007, -2/+11All 2 digg users who prefer the wmv format are rejoicing to be sure.
- soundboy64, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12I'm more so worried about having the harddrive space for hd films
- afruff23, on 10/12/2007, -0/+7Digg doesn't do html either, even without brackets.
- panique, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Are you kidding? Have you even looked at hard drive prices lately? $109 = 400GB
- gregm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+71+TB harddrives are available, but they're expensive.
HOWEVER:
For $275 you can get 2 500GB hard drives and put them in RAID-0.
For $550 you can have a RAID-0+1 setup with 1TB of space or 2TB in RAID-0. - Yez70, on 10/12/2007, -3/+91 TB drives are available and have been for some time now. HP has one for about $500 now and Dell is shipping PCs with them already.
Within a year 2TB drives will be under $500.
1TB drives will be installed on PCs - standard within 2 years. - Bootes, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5In general broadband in Canada sucks. Worse than the US.
- camkerr, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10The Swedes. The networking in Sweeden is so much better than the United States. I'm sure it wouldn't be too bad for fios customers.
- SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5you can do 1080p on Quicktime as well. In fact I'm sure you could of done it before today. The story here is that you can now export movies optimized for the Apple TV in an easy setting without having to fiddle with bitrates and frames per second.
- rowlodge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4my old ibook g4 wont play anything high def, my video card is just too slow, but i can look at a still pcture in high def, thats all.
- chroko, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4(edit - what they just said)
I use a 320GB firewire drive with my Powerbook, it's awesome for my iTunes library. - moisie, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5I personally think Quicktime gives better compression results than visualhub though. In general I do use Visualhub but if I want a really good conversion and I have the time I'll use Quicktime. I don't have any results to back this up, it's just a personal preference.
- wilhoitm, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4The hard drive manufacturers will be happy. Don't forget to buy two drives, one for backups.
- ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Video professionals and movie professionals use 2K and 4K for ages. That is much more than 1080. (don't even look to colour specs).
The format of choice is Quicktime.
If you read DivX EULA comedy, you will understand why everyone should stay away. Even its Mac EULA says they can add buttons and toolbars to browser without asking you! - jer.williams, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4The problem no one is talking about is you can't tell Quicktime what resolution to export. Apparently you feed Quicktime a file and choose export for Apple TV, and it takes it from there -- no configuration allowed. So sometimes you get 720p, but sometimes you don't based purely on what some Apple programmer thought made sense.
From the ilounge forum, posted by TH:
"Using the default AppleTV export option my tests found the following:
- When saving 1920 x 1080i (30fps) content (broadcast or Canon HD HV10 recordings) QT creates a 960 x 540p file (which is half size).
- When saving 1920 x 1080p (24fps) content (a downloaded Movie preview) it creates a 1280 x 720p file.
I am not sure why it saves the files differently, but it appears to be detecting the frame rate and changing the encoding accordingly."
Personally, I want to convert all of my HD material to Apple TV compatible 720p, but QT seems to have an agenda of its own. 1080i is the same aspect ratio as 720p -- why not preserve as much resolution as possible? Once again, a third party must come to Apple's rescue. - edzieba, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3@rakslice
First rule of fight club... - itsme92, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4But you guys are forgetting that a large portion of the computer market is heading towards laptops. My new Macbook has the fastest 5400rpm hard drive avalible, and it is only 160GB.
That said, I think that Apple needs to get their act together and offer downloadable rental movies that can be played back on your computer, your AppleTV, and your iPod. That is something that I would ditch Netflix for. I don't want to buy movies like I buy music, I want to rent a movie and see it on my big screen TV via my AppleTV, or on the plane via my iPod. - howlongtoretire, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Either way, this confirms that you'll be able to rip your movies for use with apple tv. Good news.
- Overlord, on 10/12/2007, -2/+5TylerL has said that he will release an update to VisualHub with AppleTV support once his shows up and he can play with it.
I agree that Quicktime Pro is a waste of time, quite literally. It takes easily twice as long (or more) than a typical ffmpeg conversion, especially for longer content. Fullscreen playback is also a pretty lame "Pro" feature if you ask me. - aceuk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2@gregm. Having a 1 or 2TB RAID-0 array is idiotic if you don't have another array the same size to back it up. If one drive fails you've lost everything.
- bmson, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5and Canada, Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Swiss, France, The United States etc.
They all have high speed broadband (+25MB per/sec) - ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3So, it exports widescreen full PAL spec (960x540) if you tell it to export in 1080i and when you tell it 1080p, it exports 720p.
It is a sign that Apple has very cleverly opted in for 720P HD instead of 1080i. Why clever? Well, 1080 would add $50 easily to product. 1080 is really luxury. I work in video editing and bought a 720p plasma to my house..
Perhaps they may release a 1080 version as option. - AaronD12, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4The Apple TV box has ALWAYS had the capability of displaying videos in 720P -- read Apple's tech specs page.
It's nice that SOMEONE has given us with hi-def camcorders the ability to view our content without having to attach the camcorder directly to the TV.
Yes, there are people out there that will use this for LEGAL reasons. - SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Well I believe you need pro to get the "export" to work in Quicktime. So you won't need the hack. Ustjay ooklay orfay hetay erialsay umbernay.
- MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2If all you're going to do is watch content, then I would agree that QuickTime Pro is a waste of money. If you do any digital video editing (with the Mac at least), then I would highly recommend spending the $30.
- SilentSpyder, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4Yea but nobody cares about Microsoft.
- DoTheFandango, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Wait wait wait, you guys actually pay for QT Pro?
Such honest people for pirates. - ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I am not buying anything until SATA compatible (non propetioary, thank you) Flash-Magnetic hard disks ship for normal prices.
Do a 2-pass H264 if you have like 300 gig free. Those top of the line DVR boxes come with 80 gig. - jer.williams, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Actually, yes I did expect the OPTION to deinterlace and scale. I'd easily trade a one-time rendering time penalty for a higher resolution file.
- ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1People are digging you down for suggesting something not quicktime pro?
iSquint etc. are top products on Versiontracker downloads. This site can really make you sell your mac and move to windows, no kidding, typing from a Quad G5. - aristotle0dude, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1What did you expect when you fed it an interlaced input? Did you expect it to deinterlace and scale? They are using the most efficient (read fastest) algorithm of using one field and half the horizontal resolution (to preserve aspect ratio) of the interlaced signal.
- LycoLoco, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Or you can not use gimpy QuickTime and just use media player classic with Quicktime Alternative (if you're in windows, that is)
- ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Have fun with your Microsoft locked format in the future. It is like giving your family to Microsoft for Kidnapping.
Don't let the quicktime talk confuse you, everything they speak about are open formats which are even supported on open source operating systems. All are MPEG-4 flavours which is a clear, documented standards based format without vendor lock in.
Serious, don't use MS codecs to save your home videos. You don't have to buy Quicktime pro, just go with MPEG. For example MPEG 2 could be used as nice archival format for HD too. - fani, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2Can anyone confirm if the update breaks the Quicktime Full screen hack ?
I don't want to update if it breaks that fullscreen hack ( where you can watch full screen qt video without having to buy the Pro version ) - Zippo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1The fastest Internet here (Newfoundland, Canada) is 5Mbps down, with a crippled upload of 640kbps. (Older connections, like my own, have somewhat better upload speeds) Other parts of the country have higher speeds, but besides a few exceptions, Canadians generally can't get faster than 10Mbps.
Businesses have access to faster speeds, though. - Zatar10, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I can't wait for my Apple TV to show up now so i can try this out.
- pledomobil, on 10/11/2007, -0/+0Nice indeed. I've heard about this month ago, but I can't remember where exactly.
- ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3As I get punished for suggesting something non Apple to view Quicktime... I better go for it:
DEAR APPLE- IT IS 2007, YOU OPEN DOORS TO CRACKERS/TROJANS FOR ASKING $30 TO DISPLAY FULL SCREEN.
Now digg me down to -90 and even get me banned, idiots. - Milstead1979, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0Just found out that my Apple TV shipped today. TV will never be the same ... :)
- ilgaz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Get/Install realplayer (use versiontracker.com so it won't ask you mail), make it default for Quicktime files, enjoy fullscreen without hacks whatsoever.
- Getyougadget, on 10/12/2007, -2/+0This is old news . . . having said that, if you want to see what this new option can do from an 1080i HD source, check this out!
http://web.mac.com/jamesburland/iWeb/thecreativelifeblog2/thecreativelifeblog/3256CBDE-1C13-4CE3-BB50-028BF3277335.html - chrisgeleven, on 10/12/2007, -8/+6I agree. Music is simple: most people's collections can easily fit on an iPod. CD's are easy to rip and take up limited space on a computer (50-100mb per album depending on the CD and the quality). It is also real easy to backup.
Movies and TV Shows are an entirely different thing. You are talking a good ~3GB for a HD movie in 720p (according to the iLounge article). 10 movies and you already are at 30GB of space. My Macbook just has a 80GB hard drive, of which a good 25GB or so is already taken by OS X and various applications. Desktops have it a little easier, but even then hard drive space is going to be a premium. If you have say 30 movies (90GB), 30 TV shows (roughly 40 GB assuming 45 minutes an episode), and then your music collection (let's say 10GB), and you are already at 140GB of space needed, not counting what you need in the future.
Then try backing that up. Your talking at least 35 DVD-R's to pull that off if you jam each one to capacity without worrying about cutting a show in pieces to do so. Time Machine in Leopard should make it easy to backup to external hard drives, but you are going to hit a space crunch there in no time as well.
And of course, the MPAA would almost certainly decide to prevent you from re-downloading a movie again if you have to delete it or your computer gets fried.
Until 1+ TB hard drives are available and you can get Blu-Ray discs for as cheap as a DVD-R, I am worried downloadable HD content doesn't make sense. - N1XUK, on 10/12/2007, -9/+7Just a suggestion, ditch quicktime on the mac. Dont bother paying for the *pro* feature.
VLC: Playback
iSquint: Free and hopefully will be updated for AppleTV
VisualHUub: Pay the licence and enjoy. Works with anything you throw at it. Hopefully will be updated for AppleTV - Sargasso_C, on 10/12/2007, -3/+0I am reliably told, any 256k broadband is OK for films. But if you pay as much as I do for bandwidth, it's cheaper to rent.
- inactive, on 10/12/2007, -4/+1Yeah, top speed of export being... realtime. QT sux, Handbrake rulz
- gregm, on 10/12/2007, -7/+3Good catch on the sarcasm!
/sarcasm -
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