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Pogue gets hate mail from people that don't get his Vista video

pogue.blogs.nytimes.com — He's getting hate mail in response to his video from last week that “proved” that Microsoft didn’t steal ideas in Vista from Mac OS X. A few people have already written him, saying, “You must be the dumbest man in America. You think that’s a DIFFERENCE? Who the @#*#*#** cares if they use a different term? It’s EXACTLY THE SAME THING!” A good read!

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  • Lyanto, on 10/12/2007, -18/+85Emotional fanboys generally don't have a good sense of sarcasm.
    • cannibaljp, on 10/12/2007, -14/+93gee... the term fanboy showed up in the first comment.

      i would have never imagined such a thing.
    • DaffyDuck, on 10/12/2007, -3/+53Yeah, can you believe that would happen on digg of all places?

      By the way, the only way David could have been any more obvious about the sarcastic nature of the video would have been to have the word "sarcasm" flash onscreen at key moments.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -2/+72I seems Apple got his sarcasm, as they linked to his video in 'Apple Hot News': http://www.apple.com/main/rss/hotnews/hotnews.rss
    • schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -37/+7Dear Mr. Pogue,

      Your teh devil.

      Yours faithfully,

      William W. Gates
    • ButtholeSurfer, on 10/12/2007, -13/+35I hate to be the grammar nazi, but it's you're teh devil.
    • Yogurth, on 10/12/2007, -36/+9Unfortunately for mr. Pouge there was no sarcasm and no humor in his video.
      For sarcasam to work his implied statements about Apple originality should have been the truth, but I think everyone with any sense of industry history knows that they weren't.
      As for humor part to work he just isn't a comedian, his tone, his dictation, posture are not funny they are ...usual.

      What is interesting though is that he actually believes in those things he implied in video, well now that is truly sad.
    • bigrell486, on 10/12/2007, -26/+8@ schestowitz

      WTF is a "teh"?
      Seriously why do people us it?
    • Mengoxon, on 10/12/2007, -5/+10That's the great thing about the Internet:
      It finds the most stupid people in the whole wide world and allows them to speak their mind. I love Ebay for that reason: In the whole country it finds the person willing to pay the most (ie most stupid) for your junk.
    • gangals, on 10/12/2007, -11/+2@ Yogurth

      Agreed!
    • rossinio, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7bigrel486:

      what teh ***** is WTF?

      :)
    • schestowitz, on 10/12/2007, -13/+5"teh" was an intentional typo. Same with "you're" vs. "your". It's a common joke.

      I guess it's my failure, either because the humorous part was misunderstood or dead from the get-go.

      nice -n19 sudo mod-me-down
    • Propapanda, on 10/12/2007, -3/+5It's for this reason that some of us have had to resort to those moronic /sarcasm tags. No one understands satire or sarcasm on the Internet and it's just one more thing that keeps me believing that humor and sanity are both dead.
    • rossinio, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2oh my god /sarcasm /sarcasm aaargh my digg score...
    • commieDigg, on 10/12/2007, -4/+0a fanboy would know who pogue is
    • DNABeast, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3I read recently that some people simply don't have the internal wiring to pick up on sarcasm. In the same way that men can laugh at fat jokes and women instinctively get defensive and don't generally see the humour.
    • pmr12002, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Boy Apple Users are Stupid... but then again look at the OS they use simple minded people use MAC OS X.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4"Boy Apple Users are Stupid... but then again look at the OS they use simple minded people use MAC OS X."

      Your grammer just put you in the dunces corner, ha! If I retort it will look like you used your brain to come up with that comment, so I'll back slowly out of them room and let you wallow in your cabbage-like state.
    • Ireland, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3..notice my grammer is liek urs, I thinky you understand beter this way, no?
    • aragon127, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I didn't read the original article, nor did I read this one. I just don't care. I just wanted to point out how funny and illogical the statement "Who cares if there's a difference, they're exactly the same is". Apparently the definition of "exactly" requires some explanation to certain fanboys.
    • amphoterous, on 10/12/2007, -0/+0I guess they don't have the Sarcasm Detector widget installed...
  • estvir, on 10/12/2007, -48/+13> .. how the new Sidebar is exactly identical to the Mac’s Dashboard ..

    'Identical' ? Sidebar is on a side of the screen, not 'everywhere' like Dashboard (Which requires a push of a button), Gadgets can be detached, etc.

    There are so many differences it's ridiculous. I know the video sure was amusing to the ignorant but this Pogue moron needs some more material, it seems all he goes on about is how Vista is a copy of OS X and he lists the same damn few things every time and each one is easily disputed.
    • rickcarson, on 10/12/2007, -8/+16Yes... Gadgets can use VBScript... Not the same thing at all... Completely different...
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -18/+29"it seems all he goes on about is how Vista is a copy of OS X"

      Oh come on, estvir, we know you're a dedicated Microsoft apologist, but anyone can look at Vista and see OS X written all over it. Microsoft isn't even trying to be discreet with their imitation any more. But I guess calling it "Aero" instead of "Aqua" is enough to throw you off, eh?

      Some people are so easily fooled.
    • hypercrypt, on 10/12/2007, -8/+25Who cares who copies who, surely every OS will have roughly the same features over time. I think Apple, Microsoft and the Open Source OSes should borrow from each other and stop pointing the finger at who is copying who.

      Surely the thing that counts is who implements a feature best?

      I think OS X does that, but Microsoft trying to catch up will keep Apple on their toes.
    • betterth, on 10/12/2007, -6/+32Microsoft used a variety of ideas on their new OS, especially popular ideas, to make it the best they can.

      Apple does the exact same thing. Look at every major OSX release. They copy every decent third party Mac developer out there. "Hey that's a cool app, let's remake it and bundle it with the next version".

      And, of course, let's not pretend that Apple invented Widgets. Apple copied those too.

      And let's not pretend the screen transitions or eye candy Apple uses Apple originally developed...

      Yes MS copied.... but so did Apple.
    • yabos, on 10/12/2007, -11/+3Idiot, the whole concept of gadgets are the same, it doesn't matter they're in a different part of the screen. I'm not saying Apple doesn't incorporate ideas from other places either but saying they're not the same is just stupid.
    • flag564, on 10/12/2007, -14/+11"Oh come on, estvir, we know you're a dedicated Microsoft apologist"

      You have some nerve, Quixie. You admitted that you own Apple stock and yet you're trying to cal someone out on being a shill for MS? Just how many negative things you've said about the people you bought shares from?
    • unmarked, on 10/12/2007, -5/+9@ flag564

      Owning a particular stock does not make you a shill. I've owned Microsoft stock and worked on Windows for 10 years -- all the while not being a fan of the OS. At the time, MSFT was a good investment, regardless of the politics of OS. Right now, AAPL is a better investment.
    • Satertek, on 10/12/2007, -4/+10And Apple blatently ripped off Konfabulator, if anything, Microsoft also ripped off Konfabulator.
    • Quix, on 10/12/2007, -3/+10"You admitted that you own Apple stock and yet you're trying to cal someone out on being a shill for MS?"

      Time for your English lesson, flag. Apologist ≠ shill. I didn't say estvir is a shill for MS, I said he is a dedicated apologist for the company (which he is, if you follow his comments). And there's nothing wrong with being an apologist either.

      Nor is there anything wrong (or devious) with owning stock in a company and participating in discussion forums. I know that eludes your impaired rational thinking abilities, but it's true. Perhaps one day when you get a job you may invest some of your earnings in the stock market too.

      Hi everyone, I own some Apple stock, I'm an enthusiastic supporter of their products, and I think Microsoft are possibly the greatest pack of weasels in the history of business, who consistently demonstrate an uncanny lack of creativity, innovation, and original thought. Oh, and I use Windows 40+ hours per week at work and have built my own Windows-based PCs before at home. How's that for full disclosure?

      And yes flag, I've made enough money on my Apple stock to pay all that back rent you owe your parents for living in their camper in the driveway. So I understand your sour grapes.
    • geoken, on 10/12/2007, -5/+3Can you guys look up the original post about this video to see several links to videos and pictures showing widgets in early builds of longhorn, far before they showed up in OSX.
    • flag564, on 10/12/2007, -9/+5"Nor is there anything wrong (or devious) with owning stock in a company and participating in discussion forums."

      Really? It makes you into exactly what you call everyone else that doest hate MS like you. An Astroturfer.

      Everyone of you comments are just the rantings of some poster with a financial interest in the company that you praise and apologize for at every turn.

      "Hi everyone, I own some Apple stock, I'm an enthusiastic supporter of their products, and I think Microsoft are possibly the greatest pack of weasels in the history of business"

      Boy, I think in the Quixverse that makes you an troll. Or does your dictionary excludes you from the same standards you hold other people to.
    • estvir, on 10/12/2007, -4/+4Microsoft apologist ? Please, if you ever take the time to read my posts you'd realise I don't care about Microsoft I just correct the general mass who are painfully stupid.

      Aero is an acronym and they have reasons for choosing it other than it's 4 letters and starts with an A. Crazy, I know.

      If Vista is such a blatant copy please provide direct examples besides generalised things like 'OMG, Search in the top right and widgets !'

      Oh, and if you continue on with the 'Microsoft apologist' line I'll recommend reading and comprehension lessons and may just throw around 'ignorant lemming' once or twice.
    • zang74, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Flag, I'm getting tired of you improperly using the term "astroturfing".

      Astroturfing refers to deliberate paid-for marketing by a company to give the appearance of a grass roots movement. It doesn't have to do with putting a positive spin on negative stories. It's about creating the appearance of interest in a subject or product as paid for by a company or organization, akin to say, organizations hiring homeless to picket. It's NOT about seeking out and quashing negative news. GET IT RIGHT, FFS.
  • ziadoz, on 10/12/2007, -20/+15Perhaps he got hate mail because people are sick of this whole "omfg you copied Apple" thing people have been doing since Windows Vista's development really caught the lime light. Fact is Apple are equally as guilty of copying, people are just too caught up in the hype and marketing to notice.
    • theheadguy, on 10/12/2007, -8/+1Why is everyone getting so upset over this? Look at this guy's lack of journalism.... Arguing that gadgets are in no way a copy of widgets? This is worthless text that is another waste of time to read on the Internet. It's somebody trying their hand at riding the Mac vs. Windows wave and acting like their actual work is a reason people are getting upset... Pogue already walked into a red hot fire.

      Buried as lame, because it is.
    • phaed, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6@theheadguy

      you don't get it do you? hes not arguing that they dont have anything in common. he is being SARCASTIC meaning that he is saying "Widgets and gadgets are basically the same thing". you sir are a moron.
  • demonsofgoetia, on 10/12/2007, -25/+7OSX, Windows, who cares...

    Switch to something free and open, like Ubuntu Linux
  • dheaddy, on 10/12/2007, -4/+33If don't understand sarcasm and dry humour you shouldn't be allowed on the internet
    • Misogyny, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16"If don't understand sarcasm and dry humour you shouldn't be allowed on the internet."

      Was that supposed to be sarcastic? I couldn't tell...

  • flex411, on 10/12/2007, -17/+6Now that they copied Apple, we should stop hearing the fanboys talk about how much better Apple is because they will both be the same.
    • ejsv, on 10/12/2007, -13/+7I agree.....until Apple releases Leopard that is.
  • nhassan, on 10/12/2007, -5/+5some people don't have a sense of anything these days.
  • hokeywhiteboy, on 10/12/2007, -5/+4Yeah, then you can CHOOSE whose GUI you want to totally rip-off!
  • JeffS, on 10/12/2007, -11/+24Apply totally ripped off Konfabulator and not many people are crying about that.
    • djjuice, on 10/12/2007, -11/+20Apple didnt rip off konfabulator, Apple had widgets in 1984 called Desk Accessories. There is a good article I'll try to find
    • JohnM5, on 10/12/2007, -5/+6Yea, both Konfabulator, Desktop X, and several other apps were before Apple's widgets. Yes Vista copies a lot from apple, but not this.
    • mikeazorin, on 10/12/2007, -2/+4No, Apple pretty much started the whole idea of widgets back in 1984 with the original Macintosh, along with the modern desktop, so other people actually copied from them.
  • dreaz, on 10/12/2007, -6/+1Sarcasm is dead.
  • paulmdx, on 10/12/2007, -3/+33I'm pretty sure 99%+ of Windows users don't care if Microsoft did / didn't rip off OSX.
    • Misogyny, on 10/12/2007, -14/+6Ignorance is bliss...
    • titlesaysitall, on 10/12/2007, -4/+12But I am sure a vast majority would be mad if Microsoft ripped off Apple's "Gaming Expertise." I kid, I kid.
    • unibomber999, on 10/12/2007, -3/+7Yeah, I'm in the not-giving-a-***** camp. Quite frankly, Vista could have left these features out and I wouldn't have cared one bit.

      Every other industry is the exact same way, from cars to TV's. One guy innovates, the others play catch up. Rinse, repeat and change the roles around once in a while.

      IMO, the more Apple's support base stays focused on relatively insignificant issues like stolen interface ideas and spew MS hatred, the more they miss why it isn't more widely adopted. Enterprise administration features like Active Directory, the ability to load the Windows OS on any hardware under the sun and the huge base of software development keeps Mac out of businesses. Gaming, cost and hardware vendor lock-in keep it out of the home.
    • PueSi, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3Exactly, it's not like there's an OSX for the PC, they're just bringing good stuff inspired on other OSes to the PC (well, actually to the Windows PC user, i guess Linux had it first).It's good for the consumer, we all should be happy : ).
    • phaed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+4indeed. I actually admire Microsoft for being able to spot quality and assimilating it. Hopefully they will keep on evolving.
  • pixelfox, on 10/12/2007, -5/+8So what if MS ripped off OS X? That's like saying businesses shouldn't learn from their competitors products. And, despite me being a Mac fan, I still find the video funny... *ducks tomatoes*
    • phaed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2what do you mean "despite". dude, the ONLY ones who found that video funny were mac fanboys
  • ozid, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6the only thing i hate about vista is that its so damn expensive. I am running RC2 and have been for a long while now... it's great... I am dreading purchasing the real thing.

    I can download OS X, which apple makes almost no attempt beyond telling you putting it on a non-apple hardware is illegal, and all apple really does is sit back and say "good luck getting it to work on your hardware.

    If it didn't work like absolute crap on my machine, I would have it, too, on this... and probably use it more.
    • kazem, on 10/12/2007, -10/+9I think what I will also hate about Vista is its ridiculous system requirements.
  • rossbrown, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5"A good read"?
    That article was a whopping three paragraphs long, all explained in the subtitle.
  • ThinkFr33ly, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23The best part is how nobody seems to remember the tech demos of Longhorn that were done back before OS X was released.

    These demos showed most of the features that eventually appeared in Vista, and that *later* appeared in OS X.

    The sidebar with gadgets, integrated search, the new scalable/pretty UI... all were shown long before OS X was released.

    Microsoft certainly looks at the competition, but so does Apple.
    • kazem, on 10/12/2007, -6/+11Yeah, you have to be kidding yourself if you think apple didn't copy XP at all. Both companies have good ideas...it's just that Apple has more of them and does a better job of implementing them, usually.
    • kronix2, on 10/12/2007, -9/+10Of course, when you point out that Time Machine (which will appear in OSX 10.5) appears to be an inferior version of XP's five year old System Restore, Mac zealots fall silent.

      It's the hypocrisy which is most irritating. 10.4 also introduced several features which had been in XP for years.
    • klawz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6I remember..check out more folks who remember:
      http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=14903
    • nicktripp, on 10/12/2007, -1/+7Mac OS X was released on March 24, 2001. According to Wikipedia, planning for Longhorn/Vista didn't even start until May of 2001. I'm not sure how it could be that Longhorn/Vista demos were being shown before Mac OS X was "out".

      You may have meant to say something else, but if you did, you should have said that instead.
  • kazem, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Wow. People are that stupid?
    • 7of7, on 10/12/2007, -11/+16They are Mac fans. What did you expect?
  • ForlornHope, on 10/12/2007, -5/+23I saw the original video for the first time. I love how he rips on microsoft for including a chess program... JUST LIKE OS X. Apparently, Apple invented chess.
    • yabos, on 10/12/2007, -13/+6That's not the point. The point is MS feels it has to emulate OS X down to the last feature. They can't even leave the chess game out, they have to have that as well.
  • tcybulski, on 10/12/2007, -7/+12From what I hear, Pogue is supposed to be a very good editor for the NYT. But this "video blog" makes him come of as smarmy and elitist. And ultimately incorrect, as the features he points out as "apple's" are simply jacked from other companies. Desktop search? Definitely not Apple's. Widgets? Not Apple's again (Konfabulator). 3D CHESS!? COME ON! I mean, I'm sure if you wanted to find MS ripping off design cues, you could still find them, but Pogue's piece comes off as a hack job.
    • covertbadger, on 10/12/2007, -7/+8Why does everyone continually say Apple ripped of Konfabulator? The idea has been around for *decades* - Apple themselves even had Desk Accessories in 1984.
  • postaldave, on 10/12/2007, -6/+4ALL fanboys suck.MSboys, appleboys, linuxboys, democrats fanboys and republican fanboys.

    everyone but the BSDfanboys that is.

    no matter what you talk about there is always those far out people to far gone to understand simple logic or sarcasm.
  • plana, on 10/12/2007, -3/+4It would seem that all the features mentioned in this video predate OSX by a few years as well. I think its funny that every time a mac fanboy sees a feature thats in OSX, and they don't see it in Windows, that means Apple was first.
  • Darkness123, on 10/12/2007, -2/+8Well Apple, MS and Linux all ripped off Xerox on the whole GUI Idea. I think it was Xerox not sure thought.

    This comment will probably get dugg down. Since I made a bad comment about Apple and Linux. lol
    • Dakk, on 10/12/2007, -2/+10No no... Apple ripped off Xerox. MS ripped off Apple ripping off Xerox. Just watch Pirates of Silicon Valley and write a report. Linux is a late comer to this ripping off of others. ;)
    • jgreene777, on 10/12/2007, -6/+10Apple didn't rip anyone off. They were invited to see what Xerox had started to develop. Xerox invited them to take the concept over because they new the Steves would handle it right and get it done. The initial idea (for Xerox) was to basically outsource the R&D, then get in on the action when someone else had spent the money. By the time the GUI was developed, Xerox had changed their business model enough that they didn't need it. It happens every day with many companies and many concepts.
    • Soulhuntre, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13"Linux is a late comer to this ripping off of others"

      Linux is the largest "clone" OS of them all. It is almost entirely a rip off of Unix.
    • unmarked, on 10/12/2007, -3/+6@ Dakk

      I'd perhaps try to rely more on actual history rather than fictional dramas to derive my information.

      Apple didn't rip off Xerox. Not only were they invited, but they *licensed* the technology from Xerox and developed it much further than Xerox ever did (compare the original stuff Xerox demonstrated to Mac System 1.0, you'll see a significant difference).
    • Dakk, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1God this is an old post I'm replying to but...

      @unmarked
      Sorry bud, the history has already been written in the minds of society regarding this issue. You should just play along and not fight it. It is the attitude that is reflected by Pirates of Silicon Valley. On a note of semantics, though... license or not, it certainly FEELS as if they ripped off Xerox. And yes, I've seen the Xerox prototype in action. So?

      A couple of questions which I will ask you and may or may not get an answer:
      What computer do you assume I'm writing this on? Why did you come to that conclusion?
  • jgreene777, on 10/12/2007, -7/+11You guys are bashing on Pogue as if you've never heard of him. I'm more inclined to respect his opinion than many others simply because he's been in this business for so long. He's been following Apple, writing about software, and contributing to articles for as long as Apple has been around.
    • flag564, on 10/12/2007, -13/+13Oh we have heard of him.

      he is a total Apple shill, and makes no bones about it.

      Never has he had a negative word to say about anything from Apple. Why do you think most of the Apple fans here have not a negative word to say about him?
    • cquinnd, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Jon C. Dvorak has been around the business even longer than Pogue.

      Take that as you may.

    • Clodagh, on 10/12/2007, -1/+5"he is a total Apple shill, and makes no bones about it."

      He may very well be an Apple shill/fan, but you are THE Microsoft shill! And not only do you make no bones about it, you spend more time in the section of digg you HATE, i.e. the Apple section, than any of the Mac fans here.

      Say way you will about David Pogue, but in this case he is most definitely pointing out the obvious. People keep bringing up the Konfabulator thing, but Apple had gadgets well before Konfabulator (and I believe they called them gadgets, which is what Microsoft calls them). You can see OS X written all over Vista, the Windows Mail app is a blatant copy of Apple's Mail app (everything is in the same place, and I mean everything). People also bring up the Zerox thing too, but Apple paid Zerox for their technologies. Microsoft stole them from Apple.
  • neszis, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5No one remembers when Mac OS didn't exist, and when it came out it looked just like Windows with some minor differences...
    • MacParrot, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3"No one remembers when Mac OS didn't exist, and when it came out it looked just like Windows with some minor differences..."

      I would like to assume you're talking about OS X vs Windows95/98/2K and not the original Mac OS vs Windows 1.0 because that would make you...well...stupid
  • TheGilmanator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Oh My God! Beryl copied OS X, too!

    I guess I should uninstall it.
  • koorb, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4Microsoft was the first to showcase Desktop Search, Google was the first to package it into a program for consumers and Apple was the first build it into an OS.
    • ThreeDee912, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Wasn't there some "FindByContent Search Indexing" in Mac OS 9?
  • Krakn3Dfx, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Porcelain chess board?

    I can't wait for Vista to ship, that's the bomb baby!
  • Hybride, on 10/12/2007, -3/+1This guy is such a nerdy little guy.

    those hatemail just prove what kind of people watch these videos - idiots like him.
  • eatrains, on 10/12/2007, -5/+2It appears the Windows fanboys got offended way too easily.
    • crazybrit, on 10/12/2007, -4/+5Apple ***** sucks a dick.



      jk. :P
    • phaed, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3me like most people are not so much windows fanboys as much as apple fanboy haters. keep ur twisted iLife POV to yourself.
  • macbookpromat, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Wow,

    I watched the video and laughed my ass off.

    Glass ≠ Porcelaine

    If you send this guy hate mail, you deserve a few ounces of lead to the head.
  • sailorj, on 10/12/2007, -4/+2David Pogue is the Steve Coulbert of Tech!

    I think he is qualified to smack ya around with a tech history lesson or two, since we ALL know which came first, the chicken or the egg.
    • phaed, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1um no. Stephen Colbert is a master of sarcasm. This Progue guy could barely hack it. Heck most digg users have better delivery.
  • CaptainHarlock, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"Complex thinking required to understand sarcasm"
    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/225383_sarcastic23.html
  • Codom, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3Just wait until January and apple replaces Aqua with Anus
  • Reap, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Wow, THAT's what they were complaining about MS copying from Apple? Wow.... some people get way to defensive. Far as I can tell, for the search feature they.... moved their search from a specialized window to on the start menu. Wow. They made it take less clicks... OMGZ THEY HAXED APPLE!

    The chess game? Ok, yeah, I guess they copied that from apple... or EVERY OTHER freeware chess game IN EXISTANCE for the past two decades. In case you don't remember, chess has been around for hundreds of years, and has been popular for it's entire run; saying MS copied by having a program that you can play it on is like saying they copied because they used the color blue...

    The little tilt-y arrows? Well, I suppose you could say that might have been a copy, but that's a change of two graphics- the plus and minus sign to the arrows. No change in functionality. I can't see why anyone would really care- hell, if anything it helps everyone by bringing some form of standardization to OSes.

    If they copied that little thing that apple has that pops up with all the running programs (hell, you could argue Apple stole that from pretty much any version of windows for OSx), then maybe. But... just wow. Find something SIGNIFICANT that they copied.
  • geniusj, on 10/12/2007, -2/+3Disclaimer: I own 5 macs.

    That said.. The copying is not a one way thing. I think it's hypocritical to accuse MS of copying OS X features. Remember fast user switching? How about copy/paste from Finder/Explorer? I know MS has probably copied more from Apple than vice versa, but face it. If a feature is that good, the other guy will copy it. The question is who can integrate it better and into a nicer package? And you know my opinion on that.
  • claytonbellmor, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3If people can't understand his sarcasm, is it their fault? Sarcasm is like any other language tool.

    If it's not pulled off correctly and successfully, it's the author's fault.
  • nonaime, on 10/12/2007, -2/+2I really tire of bloggers all zeroing on the same 3 or 4 UI elements and then deducing that Vista is an OS X clone, because the same can be done for OS X: dock -> quick launch bar; Migration Assistant -> FASTwiz (File and Settings Transfer wizard); Leopard will sport Time Machine -> System Restore/previous versions.

    I would argue that Windows had desktop search first. It definitely had indexed based search back in windows 2000, which gave you instant search capabilities...okay it wasn't in your face, but it was there.

    The Start Menu Search in Vista is actually a little different. It is really just a search of the start menu. If you have a gazillion applications installed on your computer (like me)and you are having trouble locating it on the start menu, just type in it's name.

    Yes, there are a handful of ideas borrowed/stolen from OS X, but there are plenty of ideas that are new to Windows OR are improvements to existing Windows ideas.
  • LAMinator, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Windows Vista did not [insert sarcasm here] steal ideas from Mac OSX
  • buckrogers1965, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Maybe they were just being really sarcastic?
  • Justin6512, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1wow, what a bunch of idiots.
  • Tilneys, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Defending anything WIndows is a hopeless task, give up guys and everyone with half a brain knows that the best bits are 99% copied from Apple.

    there are now so many switching stories raving about Mac versus Windows that I hesitate drawing your attention to another one. But this is worth a read, if only because it compares Win users to boiling frogs. Slowly one degree at a time and they don't even know they're dying. LOL he says Vista is another degree hotter!!

    http://www.godesoto.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=10762

    You're dying Windows trolls, and you don't even know it! Enjoy a decent life again with Apple Mac OS X.
  • datastorageguy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Nerds...
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