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- uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+17Welcome to the early 90's! I'm glad you could make it.
Mac OS has supported two button mice since before OS 8. - drlha, on 10/12/2007, -2/+18He's not on any kind of Mac, he's just some lame fanboy making stupid comments that haven't been true in years.
- joel8x, on 10/12/2007, -1/+16What kind of machine are you on? The mighty mouse has 2 button support, as does the trackpad on their notebooks (use 2 fingers and tap the touch pad).
- manfesto, on 10/12/2007, -0/+13@ronintetsuro
The advantage lies in the fact that a PC can (legally) run ONLY Windows (and Linux), whereas a Mac can (legally) run OS X and Windows (and Linux). Unless Apple ever licenses OS X to generic PC manufacturers (and I would NEVER take that bet), running OS X and Windows is something exclusive to Apple.
If you don't dig OS X, then more power to you - but many people do. Macs are selling better now than they ever have, and being able to enjoy OS X (and iLife, and the Apple pro apps) while still being able to run "that one Windows program I still need" is a great value add. - threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+10Nice. Only thing missing is directx support...
- timdorr, on 10/12/2007, -0/+9Which is in development.
- Gryffydd, on 10/12/2007, -1/+10Why can't you? Apple has.
- digga, on 10/12/2007, -1/+9@ronintetsuro Grow up with the whole one button mouse thing and:
1) Buy any USB/BT mouse of your choosing
2) Learn how to use the trackpad / Mighty Mouse which can both do different clicks - pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8Kind of makes me wish there was a Windows application I actually wanted to run.
- drakino, on 10/12/2007, -1/+8DirectX (well, rather Direct3D) is useful for more then just games. Media players can use it to accelerate screen draws for movie playback, and Vista uses it for the Aero interface when all the features are turned on. There is also simulation software used in certain environments that rely on 3d rendering capabilities. If Parallels wants to allow any Windows app to run on a Mac, supporting Direct3D is an important step in accomplishing that goal.
- jdwest, on 10/12/2007, -0/+6Besides drag-and-drop copying, Boot Camp support, and on-the-fly screen resizing by dragging, the coolest new feature to me is the "Coherence" mode. It's unbelievable. It has changed the way I run stuff in virtualization in less than half an hour.
- pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -1/+6What the hell are you babbling on about?
- jacksim, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5Discussion and download:
http://forum.parallels.com/thread5997.html - Wolfboy, on 10/12/2007, -0/+5@ronintetsuro:
I have need for both OSX and Windows.
Bootcamp, Parallels, etc., mean I need only one computer instead of two.
It means that a person with a laptop needs to lug around only one laptop. It means a person with limited office space doesn't have to make room for two computers. - cgseller, on 10/12/2007, -2/+6I wonder if this has WinOS/2 fate written on it. I don't think so, but it does begin to make you think. It could go either way, it could draw people to using the MacOS and weening them self from Windows over time....as long as applications are made for Mac.
- georgemoore13, on 10/12/2007, -0/+4I am running it on a Macbook with 2 GB of ram and it runs beautifully. I have been very impressed and I would definitely suggest buying it. I am pretty sure they have a trial out also.
I used it for some apps I needed windows (Office 2007 and some others) and I could switch back and forth no problem. It is definitely usable. - threemagic, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3The difference is night and day AND apples and oranges.
Virtual PC for the Mac was NOT virtualization software.. it was EMULATION software. BIG, big difference.
Virtualization apps like Parallels' and VMware do not have to emulate the processor instructions. You lose very little speed and when I say very little I mean less than 5% and even less the more memory you have. - inactive, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3Seamless drag-and-drop will come in handy. Too bad there's not a way to be in Windows full-screen and bring up the OS X desktop in an overlay to drag and drop without leaving full-screen mode.
- uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3manfesto hit it right on the money. It comes down to personal preference and a "best of all worlds" situation. Sure, for some people it's about being "elitist" or whatever, but that's their problem, not yours. Most Mac users support Apple because they like their products, and they like the versatility that those products provide.
- tweder, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've been using it now for around 6 months or so on a CoreDuo iMac with 2GB of RAM and I find it very usable. I was a bit skeptical as well, being a past VirtualPC user myself.
Frankly, it depends on what you need it to do. As a web developer, my core Windows need was proofing sites cross platform. I've also found it useful when I had to manage a client's Access database.
Its pretty damn quick, fast enough that your likely not going to notice that you're not running it natively. The key here is virtualization, as opposed to emulation like VirtualPC attempted to accomplish, netting you roughly 90% native performance (rather than the 10% provided in VPC). - jwdav, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3It is hard to tell the difference between Boot Camp & Parallels for most applications. If you play 3D games, you probably want to use Boot Camp.
The latest beta of Parallels (now out BTW), supports booting from the Boot Camp partition, among a number of new features.
Info & Download:
http://forums.parallels.com/thread5997.html - timeshifter, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3How does Windows Product Activation play with using an install of XP under Boot Camp and under Parallels?
It seems that it would appear that the copy of XP is installed on two different machines (one VM and one physical) and might complain about already being activated. Maybe the new update will solve this?
Anyone have any experience with this issue? - pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -0/+3I've got a white Macbook 1.8 with one gig of ram (so it's specs are actually less then yours) and Photoshop runs as fast in Parallels as it did on my old Windows box, and a hell of a lot faster then the Mac version in Rosetta. That's the only app I've had a reason to run, but as far as I can tell, everything feels exactly like it was a dedicated Windows machine. Except if you want to game, of course.
- bmson, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think your PC is broken or you need some Windows drivers :/
- shaun3000, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Agreed. There are lots of people who would prefer a Mac but go Windows because of a few programs they can't run on a Mac. Now they've gone Intel and you have a few choices of how to run Windows, to boot. If you are a gaming person you can install it natively and get awesome performance and still have Mac the rest of the time. If it's anything else, even some less graphics-intensive games, run it in a VM.
I just switched, now that it's Intel. Windows XP runs in a VM faster than it did on my three-year-old notebook. I have XP installed as my fiancee needs it for her remote admin software for work. And there's always one or two programs that only work in XP. And it sounds like before long games will work in VM just as well as they do natively.
It's not that I'm running Windows on a Mac because I CAN, it's because I want a Mac and like having the flexibility of doing a few things in Windows but not having to dedicate a partition to it. - Feanor, on 10/12/2007, -4/+6MAC...Media Access Control?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_address
Did you mean Mac, as in a shortened version of Macintosh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh - RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Maybe using some kind of dashboard widget. Dashboard will come up over full screen windows still.
- fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2"That's all I was looking for, not the silly cries of 'elitist'. I'm a graphic designer and a technical analys(sic)"
Well, then here's something; the Mac has many of the top graphics applications; this makes it a great platform for a graphic designer to use. But there are a few applications, like WinImages, that are PC-only, that run like gangbusters under Parallels; there is no application on the Mac with functionality that covers the ground WinImages does (for that matter, there is no such app on the PC. :) So having a virtual PC on the Mac desktop is for me, also as a graphics person, not only useful, but indispensable. - uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3I think over all it's more like a "necessary tool". It provides access to applications that some people *need* but are only offered on Windows, without having to actually boot the computer into Windows. It would be great if DirectX and games were supported, but as it is, it's awesome how well it performs, and with the current standings, it's the best virtualization software on the market.
Regardless of which way it ends up going, it's interesting to see all the improvements that are being made. I do wonder though, if eventually Apple will buy it, and integrate it with OS X (built in Virtualization -- how sweet would that be?). - joel8x, on 10/12/2007, -0/+2Nowhere does it mention USB 2 & iSight support. That is my only issue with the software so far.
- fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -1/+3No, he's right. Even with the two-button emulation on the trackpad, there are things you can't do. For instance, you can't right-click-and-drag; this is a technique used to relocate selection anchors in advanced graphics software such as WinImages. Means you have to plug a mouse into your laptop, and that should really not be necessary at this stage of the game. My Mac Pro laptop cost me $2700, and for that investment, I was more than a little displeased with the single button. And before you jump, yes, the various things you can do with click emulation from prefs are fabulous. They'd simply be a lot better if there were (at least) two buttons on the laptop.
Someone is simply being stubborn at Apple; and it isn't doing them any favors. What is most annoying to me is that OSX itself has lots of "right-button" (or control-click) functionality, and has had for some time. A second button would be mega useful in day to day use. But no, you have to attach a mouse. Just dumb. - mnowlin, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Coherence hides the Windows desktop and run Windows programs in the OS X desktop. The windows taskbar is optionally at the bottom of the screen.
- cyberdork, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1I guess you mean Virtue Desktop:
http://virtuedesktops.info/ - livet0ski, on 08/17/2009, -2/+2my thoughts exactally
- node3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1No, it's not OS/2 all over again.
People who buy a Mac buy it because they want a Mac. Windows support is just gravy.
Mac users will *always* strongly prefer a Mac-native app over a Windows emulated app. This will encourage companies to port, because if they have any Mac-native competition at all, they will not be able to rely on emulation. The only sector this may not apply to is games, but even then there's still market pressure to create a native game.
Consider this: How many times have you heard "Firefox is a great browser, but it doesn't seem quite Mac-like on OS X"? Or consider if you would rather pay full price for a native copy of Photoshop, or get a Windows copy for 25% off? - uownedge, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1There actually is a program that lets you flip your desktop around (picture the XGL/Compiz effect, if you've seen that), with sort of virtual desktops, so you can have Parallels running full screen, and not cover your OS X desktop (just flip back and forth)...I apologize for forgetting the name of it, but I'm sure someone here knows.
What I'm wondering is, if you can use the hot key to flip back and forth while dragging a file with the mouse. That would be pretty slick, IMO. - anamanaman, on 10/12/2007, -1/+2I'm seriously thinking of buying this. Can anyone give me their opinions related to speed? I have a core duo mac mini with 2 gigs of ram, will it run quick enough to be usable? Virtual PC may have soured me on the whole virtualization thing.
- MBX1, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1for some reason that new coherence mode doesn't work here. the button is there but when i have an open app in xp and press that button nothing happens.
also the drag & drop feature doesn't work. i try to drag a file over from osx desktop into windows, doesn't work.
the resize windows thing doesnt work either. it doesnt adjust the resolution.
not sure if i'm doing something wrong, i tried to find settings, but so far i dont know why this is happening. - anamanaman, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Cool... thanks!
- node3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1You have to install the updated Parallels Tools (Actions -> Install Parallels Tools...).
- node3, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Exposé's "Show Desktop" works just fine for copying from the Desktop to Parallels. Can't get it to work in the other direction, though. Since Parallels is beta, let them know if it's important to you.
- blueigloo, on 10/12/2007, -0/+1Good question, I am waiting on an answer until I install the parallels beta..
- RyeBrye, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1USB 2 support is definitely needed. I couldn't care less about eye-candy that animates the computer shutting down, or dragging folders... etc. between the virtual machine and the mac os.
- jcummings1974, on 10/12/2007, -3/+3I don't understand what your comment has to do with the article. The point of running Windows on a Mac is not so you can run Windows on Apple hardware, it's so you can take advantage of Windows only apps from your preferred computing environment.
- jakebarnes, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1iSight may be waiting for full GCard support. Support there would be enought to make me buy the software twice.
- node3, on 10/12/2007, -1/+1Wow, you're complaining about a program called "WinImages" that uses a function that the *Mac* trackpad doesn't (but any mouse plugged into a Mac does) support?
For virtually any statement, you can find some specific counter-example. When you have to scrape the barrel's bottom like that, you don't disprove your adversary, you actually show how right he is (all you disprove is the absoluteness of his statement). In other words, for *FAR* more than 99.999% of the cases, the way Apple implements the trackpad is quite excellent, even if less than 1-in-100,000 Mac users would benefit from a different design.
Are you running Parallels? You can set a key combo for "right click" (by default, it's ctrl-shift). If you're using Boot Camp, and can't get right-drag to work without an external mouse, I guess you're going to just have to suck it up. Apple definitely should not degrade the quality of their trackpad for such obscure circumstances. *Especially* since all you have to do is use a mouse (you don't even have to plug one in, just get a bluetooth mouse).
If there's no alternative key/mouse-command, and it's still a problem for you in Boot Camp, I'm sure someone will write a small Windows app which will emulate right-drag, if it hasn't been done already (which I'd bet it already has been). - fyngyrz, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2Did they update the support for Win98? XP works fine, but Win98 doesn't have the filesystem "common drawer" support that the XP virtualization does, and that means you have to set up a host network and transfer files that way, which is kind of limiting. Win98 support is important because that's the last Windows OS that doesn't require Microsoft registration; you can put your legitimate copy of Win98 on every Mac you own without having to submit to misuse of copyright laws via Microsoft's DRM (Digital Rights Mangling.) Not to mention that Win98 is lighter weight and a good bit faster an OS than XP is.
- ronintetsuro, on 10/12/2007, -3/+2@Shaun3000
"If you are a gaming person you can install it natively and get awesome performance"
That's all I was looking for, not the silly cries of 'elitist'. I'm a graphic designer and a technical analyst, I can't and am not elitist. Thank you. - pkulak, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1What's that? I can't find any information on it...
- leechr, on 10/12/2007, -2/+1Whats up with that AppleInsider website?? I'm running Firefox 2.0 on Intel iMac and when I click on the link above it displays the article about Parallels and then the page redirects me to errorsafe.com which wants to sucker me into downloading some POS windows software to run on OSX!
FFS surely AppleInsider can be a little more picky about who's banner ad's they allow on their website. -
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